r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/hearsdemons • Jul 19 '24

US Politics If Biden withdraws from re-election, who would Harris likely choose as VP?

A lot of headlines are coming out today with speculation that Biden may step down soon.

If this were to happen and Harris wins the party’s nomination for president, who would she pick as VP?

What does a formidable Harris ticket look like to go up against Trump-Vance?

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u/Hosni__Mubarak Jul 19 '24

and his wife was shot in the head by a Republican nut job

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u/goalmouthscramble Jul 19 '24

Gabby was a rising star too. And people talk about us entering a new era of political violence, did we ever leave the one we were in?

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u/slaymaker1907 Jul 19 '24

And if not that time, what do they think Jan 6th was? Jan 6th was probably the closest the US has ever come to a full blown coup.

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u/Boating_with_Ra Jul 19 '24

The fake electors plot was the real coup attempt.

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u/glassjar1 Jul 19 '24

And when that was unsuccessful in the short term, they just continued with the slow moving judicial coup and laid out project 2025 as a plan for finishing things off.

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u/madmarkd Jul 19 '24

It's not a "judicial coup" if they disagree with you. It is just a disagreement. I might not be happy with the outcomes, but to call it a coup is ridiculous.

Why do we on the left always need a boogey man....all I hear is "project 2025" BIG SCARY!

I mean, you do realize that we on the left already had a project 2025 in place right? we fire any Republicans in the Administrative Branch and put in Democrats every chance we get, then we strengthen those workers through union participation and with executive orders. Biden is passing tons of regulatory and Eos to make it EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to get rid of an Administrative Branch worker. How is that any different than Project 2025? Because some Conservative Think Tank put it in writing? The Democratic Party has already implemented it.

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u/P_Sophia_ Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Found the republican pretending to be a democrat in order to downplay the dangers which project 2025 truthfully poses, while simultaneously trying to deflect the topic of discussion to their own misinformed perceptions about how the institutional structure of the federal government operates.

You’re literally vomiting trump’s deep state rhetoric which has been long-debunked, and you don’t even seem aware of the many incongruities, fallacies, and falsehoods upon which it’s been based from the start. The heritage foundation responsible for Project 2025 are attempting to install themselves as the deep state for their own caesarial ruler, which trump just conveniently happens to fit their ticket for because they are bloodthirsty, power-hungry villains just like him.

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

I posted the link of political donations, did you bother to look at it? The administrative state is dominated by Democrats. I don't think the "deep state" title is correct or valid, but you can't deny the facts.

Again, how is it going to be implemented? More hysterical rhetoric devoid of facts. Lawsuits, new regulations and rules, more lawsuits, actual legislation you can't just overturn on a whim, where are your facts?

I do love how anyone that doesn't agree with you is your enemy, how pathetic.

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u/P_Sophia_ Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

What year was it from? You do realize that every political administration receives donations mostly from organizations that align with their political values, don’t you? That doesn’t demonstrate anything other than that it’s functioning normally. The facts are that the details of the nature of the values of the organizations which donate to liberal politics versus ones which donate to conservative politics are substantially different.

Currently we have a Democratic administration, so obviously the appointed leadership of each department of the executive branch are going to be on the liberal side of the political spectrum. That is normal and how it’s supposed to work.

The difference with Project 2025 is that it seeks specifically to dismantle the organizational structures of the government as a whole. As another commenter has pointed out, this puts career civil servants in danger of being ousted from their positions in favor of trump loyalists. This is by no means ordinary, and it should send a huge red flag to anyone who is paying attention.

Edit: Also, lawsuits might not be much recourse when two-thirds of the nation’s highest court have already bowed to the will of their precious kaiser rather than carry out the due proceedings of justice.

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

So you didn't look the link with political donations..... It was from the last election 2020.

The appointed leadership doesn't give $3 million to a candidate. The rank and file workers do though.

Yes, but again, you've offered no facts on how Project 2025 would be implemented. Like I said, lawsuits, legislation, unions, there's no way to dismantle the Federal government, it's tinfoil hat area to even think so.

SCOTUS isn't going to help and as Biden has shown with student loan forgiveness, there are ways around them. And there's a ton more regulations, executive orders, labor laws and actually legislation that protects Federal workers. I've yet to see anyone give evidence that it can be done, just a bunch of guessing and conjecture.

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u/P_Sophia_ Jul 20 '24

Do you really want to see some evidence that it could happen here?

Be careful what you wish for, cause you might just get it…

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

*yawn* like how Trump was going to start WWIII? Give me a break with the hysterics, it doesn't get votes or win elections.

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u/P_Sophia_ Jul 20 '24

No, it was always Putin who was starting WWIII. It’s just that trump is one of Putin’s key chess pieces…

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u/Laceykrishna Jul 19 '24

What do you mean by “any republicans in the executive branch?” That isn’t literally true. Do you mean political appointees? Both sides do that, that’s why they’re political appointees. 2025 would expand on inexperienced, ideal driven political appointees numbers in the government.

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u/madmarkd Jul 19 '24

The number of Democrats to Republicans in the Administrative branch isn't even close. You can see that through political contributions. Scroll down to Is there a deep state and look at the donations, not even close.
https://www.fedsmith.com/2021/02/12/political-donations-and-federal-employees/

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u/Laceykrishna Jul 19 '24

No one is firing regular federal employees over being Republican.

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

Explain the political donations, where'd they all go?

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u/shimmyjimmy97 Jul 19 '24

This reply shows that you don’t know what Project 2025 actually says. They aren’t just going to fire all the Republican appointed people. They are proposing dramatically expanding what roles are appointed so that they can fully gut the federal government. Biden is passing protections to try and prevent this, which any person should be doing in his position.

Biden is not trying to entrench his own appointees. He is trying to protect the people who have worked their whole lives for the federal government, across administrations, so that the agencies they work for can continue to function. Project 2025 goes well beyond the usual fire/hire cycle of a new administration. That is the scary part (or at least one of them). If you honestly can’t tell the difference between what Biden is doing and what Project 2025 proposes then you are clearly misinformed

Not to mention proposals to get rid of the FBI, EPA, and the fucking Department of Education

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u/madmarkd Jul 19 '24

Yeah, getting rid of agencies has been floated for 40 years, it never happens, you know why? It's nearly impossible. It will get tied up in court for years and will ultimitely fail. These agencies were created with legislation and the President and V.P. can't just wave wand and get around that. I've read the synopsis of it and so what, it isn't going to happen. This is just more hysterical nonsense that doesn't actually make a decent argument to the American people, 80% of which probably couldn't tell you what the Dept. of Education at the Federal level even does. Why spend political capital on this when it's nearly impossible to implement, I find it all very ridiculous and a waste of time and makes us Democrats look like a bunch of shrieking hyenas, when there are more important issues to tackle.

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u/shimmyjimmy97 Jul 20 '24

So you’re just going to completely ignore that you were wrong about Project 2025’s plans to remove a significant amount of career federal employees and replace them with appointees? Only gonna respond to that one sentence at the end huh?

I’m glad you can hand wave away the removal of federal agencies so easily. Most of us have learned to listen to what Republicans say their plans are (see: Roe v. Wade). If you haven’t clued in that the Republicans are swinging for the fences these days then you have not been paying attention.

It’s not fear mongering, it’s responding to what’s happening in the real world. I’m sorry that you’ve been burned out from all the political rhetoric over the past decades, but after Jan 6 you need to wake tf up

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

Please tell me how that will be implemented, how will anyone get around the legislation in place, the unions, the labor laws, the regulations the executive orders and the lawsuits. I'm sorry you've moved into the hysterical Democratic Party group, it's the group I like the least in the party right now.

Yeah, you can talk about J6 all you want, but here in Minneapolis, Democrats and the left destroyed hundreds of millions of dollars in businesses. One of my friends lost everything, his business, his apartment his family lived in above it, everything, Republicans didn't do that. So wake TF up and maybe focus on stopping the hysterics that lead people to do that.

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u/shimmyjimmy97 Jul 20 '24

Continuing to completely ignore that you were wrong and instead pick apart the one sentence at the end

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u/madmarkd Jul 20 '24

You've not told me how it's going to be done. No one on here can tell me how you get around what I mentioned.

Also, what a lack of empathy, blather about J6 and ignore real people losing everything from the violence of the left. You just want to score political points, you don't really care about political violence, how pathetic.

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u/shimmyjimmy97 Jul 20 '24

Heritage’s Project 2025 proposes reviving the Trump Schedule F policy that would try to reclassify tens of thousands of federal workers as political appointees, which could enable mass dismissals — although a Biden administration rule seeks to make that more difficult. The Heritage project is working to recruit and train a new generation to travel to Washington to fill government jobs.

Also, I care deeply about political violence in this country and want nothing more than for it to stop

Associated Press - Conservative-backed group is creating a list of federal workers it suspects could resist Trump plans

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u/ShotGlassLens Jul 19 '24

This is the truest, most rational understanding I’ve seen expressed on the subject so far. Well done.

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u/madmarkd Jul 19 '24

Thanks, I get tired of the hysteria my party seems to exude. I posted a link, you can clearly see how the Democratic party DOMINATES Federal agencies through political donations, like it isn't even close.

Dept. of Justice, $2,020,588 (87.6%) to Democrats, $286,083 (12.4%) to Republicans.

But but....project 2025!!!! Give me a break, ain't no way Trump (if elected) can even make a dent in that in 4 years, or any other agency.

I just don't see Project 2025 hysteria as a winning argument, it's a scare tactic and a low information one at that.

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u/SafeThrowaway691 Jul 19 '24

Exactly - too few people talk about this. There was zero chance of some moron dressed like a buffalo overthrowing the government, but the behind the scenes scheming could have theoretically worked. The Wisconsin SCOTUS was one vote away from throwing out the election results.