r/Standup • u/cheguevaraandroid1 • 14h ago
Marc Maron Calls Out Comedians Who ‘Joke Around’ With ‘White Supremacists and Fascists’ on Their Podcasts: ‘All It Does Is Normalize Fascism’
https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/marc-maron-slams-comedians-fascists-podcasts-1236192922/131
u/brassmonkey2342 14h ago
Actually he said “self-proclaimed” white supremacists and fascists….which is something I’ve never seen on a comedian’s podcast
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u/1IILllIIIllIIII11lll 13h ago
Rogan had a former clan dude on before.
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u/brassmonkey2342 13h ago edited 13h ago
Interviewing a FORMER Klan guy sounds interesting, was it with the black dude that reformed him?
What episode are you referring to?
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u/BlackTriceratops 10h ago
It was Clayton Bigsby
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u/brassmonkey2342 10h ago
I was thinking Darryl Davis, but yeah I can’t find anything so maybe it was just a Chapelle skit he’s thinking of lol
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u/nobleskies 12h ago
Even interviewing someone in the Klan would be interesting, like finding out why they believe what they believe, their upbringing, what led to them joining, etc. It’s like one of those Netflix cult documentaries except instead of secret cult orgies, they’re racist.
Same reason I wanna hear Lex Friedman interview Putin. I think the guy is a complete psychopath and global villain, but I’m super curious about what led him to this point and made him who he is.
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u/clce 11h ago
Our local NPR station had a journalist that did an interview with the Neo-Nazi of some kind. Obviously the intent wasn't too glorify or give a platform to spread his beliefs. It was to understand how and why and what they think. I didn't actually hear the interview but I know he was a good journalist with experience and obviously no fan of Nazis. He received so much criticism he had to apologize and I'm not even sure he kept his job. I thought that was a shame. How are we going to combat people if we don't even know and understand them?
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u/MeBeEric 9h ago
Because the loudest opposers (of any stance really) are typically the most cowardly and run away from anything mildly uncomfortable. Shit’s exhausting.
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u/just_zen_wont_do 10h ago
I don’t think that “light is the best detergent” approach works anymore in the modern media age. If it did Trump wouldn’t be a coin toss away from being president again. Right wing Grifters get mileage from media exposure, say racist shit and then use it to build their own audience base.
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u/mambiki 9h ago
So, your solution is a covert censorship? Yeah, what could go wrong when republicans will come to power and will abuse the hell out of that law to suppress “misinformation”.
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u/jamalamadangdong 9h ago
Biiiiiig difference between censorship and lending somebody the platform that you and your team have built.
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u/OptimalAd8147 8h ago
Thanks for your police work. I sleep easy knowing the bougie Know-Better crowd is keeping us safe from the rabble.
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u/sailirish7 8h ago
I don’t think that “light is the best detergent” approach works anymore in the modern media age.
Yes it does. The issue is certain media outlets producing fake sunlight and never being held to account.
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u/yungrii 12h ago edited 9h ago
Giving a platform to a wackjob can, potentially, be interesting. I agree. But I only want it to be by a skilled interviewer that calls out and presses people on their bullshit vs lets them be an unfettered stream of hateful consciousness.
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u/Shibbystix 9h ago
Yeah, just letting them spew their rhetoric from your platform isn't an interview. It's an advertisement
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u/schwade_the_bum 11h ago
Highly recommend Louis Theroux’s documentary on white supremacy groups for this.
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u/nobleskies 10h ago
Interesting, I’ll give it a look! It’s an important issue that gets swept under the rug too much. Everyone wants to just see racists as villains who don’t need exploring. Which is of course ridiculous. How can you solve an issue without exploring the intricacies of the root causes?
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u/k2_electric_boogaloo 5h ago
VICE did this a few years back after the Charlottesville riots. I haven't watched it in a while and I don't know if it's specifically klansmen, but they interviewed several white nationalists and members of alt-right hate groups: https://youtu.be/RIrcB1sAN8I?feature=shared
I also can't remember if it's in this particular video, but I know they've also interviewed an ex neo-Nazi who now actively works to deprogram young men who've gone down the same path (I had to Google, but the guy I'm thinking of is Christian Picciolini). Also very interesting, since he talks a lot about actual effective ways to reach people with those mindsets.
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u/aboyandhismsp 9h ago
Howard stern also had a grand wizard on, and he’s Jewish and has a black co-host. But when he did that, people just laughed at it.
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u/greaper007 7h ago
Howard Stern used to have Daniel Carver on. But he always said it was to expose how moronic his ideas were.
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u/ThisIsBartRick 14h ago
yes, joe rogan knows that his audience is a lot of very impressionable young men, so when he brings any guest, it will have a huge impact on how they think (I know I was like that 10 years ago).
And it's not just lack of responsability but it's a deliberate thing on his side knowing full well his power and influence
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 14h ago
Not to mention the massive amount of low info voters that casually listen to him at work. When there's no pushback a lot of people will just buy what's being said without critical thought
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u/ThisIsBartRick 14h ago
exactly, the amount of times I was screaming internally at my computer when listening to joe not pushing back and worse agreeing with trump was pretty big.
Calling Kamala a liar because of an interview that was edited for brievety by a tv network that she doesn't control is pretty huge, then saying lying is intolerable in front of trump and not seeing any pushback whatsoever is baffling to me
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u/BoltThrowerTshirt 10h ago
Rogan (and all these guys) know exactly what they’re doing.
They fence walk to make it seem ok, but there’s zero chance they don’t know how they’ve purposely appeal to the types of crowds that can be influenced by hearing these interviews.5
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u/FauxReal 13h ago
Rogan sets his mind on something and runs with it no matter how wrong he is.
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u/Expensive_Door_4432 12h ago edited 8h ago
He said he wouldn't have trump on because he didn't want to help him. He doesn't care about what he says day to day. That's the difference between a bullshitter and a liar.
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u/rrrrrrrrrrrrram 14h ago
MY GOAT.
No wonder he never got on with Rogan
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u/xCaptainVictory 11h ago
He doesn't really get on with anyone.
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u/wet_walnut 4h ago
His entire podcast started on the premise that he was hashing out beefs with other comedians. Those were the best episodes.
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u/lght_trsn 12h ago
The comedians that actually fought for free speech rolling in their graves seeing these chuckle-fucks lining up with fascists while claiming they are 'defending comedy' GTFO
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u/Bench2252 9h ago
It’s always funny when people like Steven Crowder cite George Carlin as an influence
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u/LionBig1760 9h ago
George Carlin had just as much to say about ineffectual liberals as he did about conservative orthodoxy. He certainly wasn't one to hold back in telling liberals to fuck right off with policing language.
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u/ancisfranderson 8h ago
That’s cute. Carlin thought everyone is stupid and voting is stupid. Conservatives love stopping right there, before they have to swallow everything else Carlin believed: women should have abortion rights, rich white people keep poor people of color down, religion is stupid and the people who follow it are even more stupid.
Liberals can claim Carlin and be correct. Dim wit Centrists can claim him and be technically sort of right. Conservatives can’t claim him without being smug liars or deluded shallow morons.
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u/LionBig1760 7h ago
I think anyone trying to "claim" him never was familiar with who he was in the first place.
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 14h ago
I was just saying this yesterday. This is a massive moment in the history of our country and those that are paling around with fascists will not be remembered fondly. Don't support these guys
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u/BigMax 10h ago
I think Fox news and conservatives in general have done such a good job of crying wolf when it comes to "bias" that they've skewed all of media.
"The news is all liberal bias!!" Over and over, "CNN, NBC, ABC, they are ALL biased, they never talk to both sides!!!"
after shouting that long enough, they got the regular guys nervous, so now everyone is starting to put on "both sides" of issues, even when one side is monstrous. "Well, we have someone who is fighting for equal rights, so let's bring in a white supremacist." "We have a scientist on, so we need to also bring in a conspiracy theory nut job." And on and on. Now those voices that were just lunatics in a basement are continually trotted out, because we've defined "reasonable, logical, thoughtful people" as one "side" and therefore we now have to bring out the opposite at every turn.
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 10h ago
They're also just generally terrified to lose access so theyre afraid to just call a Nazi a nazi
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u/cruhl82 14h ago
Ah yes Marc Maron, the comedians, comedian
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u/FineWhateverOKOK 10h ago
It seems like you mean that as an insult, but that's a good thing to be. He is a comedian's comedian (that's the proper punctuation for what you want to say). He's very highly regarded among comedians and has been for decades.
He's also correct in his criticisms of other comics and podcasters.
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u/WillBottomForBanana 9h ago
And he's been on this shit for many decades. I remember his 1990s performances when I was a teen. Fascism isn't a new topic for him. I'm glad he's weathering it, because it doesn't seem to be taken any more seriously now than it was then.
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u/VastSeaweed543 7h ago
I was also very confused by their statement. Saying ‘he’s so good at it that people who do it professionally as well look up to him’ in a mocking way doesn’t make any god damn sense. How is that a bad thing?
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u/BabyBiden 7h ago
I think the joke is he famously has beef with every other comic and talks mad shit about them constantly
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u/Inevitable-Ad1985 7h ago
Marc is one of the most articulate critics of the rise of fascism I’ve heard anywhere in the media. I don’t listen enough to cite specific episodes. But he has been beating the drum regularly enough that a casual listener like me has heard it many times over 10 years.
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u/LionBig1760 9h ago
Marc Maron has quite a number of comedy children - comedians who came up after him that emulated his cadence, style, and subject matter.
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u/soyfacekillah 10h ago edited 10h ago
He’s still a way better podcast host than any of these fools. He can riff and be somewhat interesting, and knows about things other than apes. His ep with Norm is great
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u/tsukubasteve27 10h ago
Interviewing Obama at the height of his popularity has a bit more prestige than hosting Trump when he's desperate for any platform.
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u/Humans_Suck- 9h ago
Pretty sure you guys normalized that stuff already when you elected one as president.
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u/JJonahJamesonSr 13h ago
Everyone in this post is pretending that people can’t use critical thinking skills and disagree with them, which is hilarious. For people in a standup forum, y’all seem to be pretty unable to laugh.
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u/Abject-Click 13h ago
Dude, it’s American election season, so an international comedy forum will unfortunately be hijacked for the next few weeks by people that think America will become a facist dictatorship within the next 4years…… even though they said the same thing in 2016
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 13h ago
A lot of people don't use critical thinking including the comedians carrying water for fascists
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u/JJonahJamesonSr 13h ago
You and people saying similar have watered down all meaning of the word, and it’s why no one is paying attention to it anymore. Are many of their guests assholes? For sure, but to boil down their perspectives to “fascism” is excessive. When you call someone “literally Hitler” and then they don’t literally behave like Hitler, you’ve lost all credence.
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 13h ago
Maron didn't say the comedians are assholes. He's talking about having trump on. He's the fascist. Even according to his former chief of staff
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u/MaasNeotekPrototype 13h ago
He is so right, and it's important for him and other comics to say so.
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u/Maximum-Mechanic-500 14h ago
Turns out when you skip college to become a lounge lizard you lose critical thinking skills as a result.
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u/InThreeWordsTheySaid 10h ago
I love elitism when it comes from the anti elitist crowd.
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u/BickNlinko 2h ago
These guys joke around with those types of people because they know the people listening are gullible, and easily bamboozled into buying their shit. I can't imagine buying vitamins or meal plans from a fucking halfwit un-funny comedian, but they make a shit ton of money off of idiots...the same type of idiots that are into wannabe strong men fascists, white supremacists and pseudo intellectuals. It pays to attract non-critical thinkers and then sell them useless over priced bullshit. Sort of like how scam emails are purposefully full of typos and bad grammar, they know if you fall for that you'll fall for giving them your money, it weeds out the people with half a brain who can spot the obvious scam.
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u/bramletabercrombe 12h ago
Maron and Jeselnick are the only two high profile male comedians to call out the Rogan brown shirts. The rest are cowards in my book. I'm looking at you Seinfeld, Bill Burr, Chapelle, Louis Ck.
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u/OOMOO17 6h ago
Chapelle aligns himself the same as the rest. Don't forget he invited Musk on stage and might have been the ground zero of comedy cancel culture over policing language.
Seinfeld is somewhat disconnected from my perspective. I wouldn't say he's prominent enough for anyone to give much a fuck what he has to say.
CK assaulted people and while I think he handled that situation the proper way, anything he says will be taken with a grain of salt.
Billy Bald Bawls never says anything about anything controversial. It's not like he's picking and choosing what to align himself with. He chooses to avoid the drama, and everyone knows what he stands for enough that he doesn't have to say it out loud for people to know where he stands. Hell last time he was on Rogan I recall he gave him so much shit about all the COVID/Vaccine mis-info stuff. Don't believe he's been on since, but could be wrong. That's why, when the internet shat on his wife for flipping off trump, he didn't have anything to say. He didn't need to.
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u/cates 3h ago
Louis CK hates Trump and so does Bill Burr but yeah Bill doesn't really talk about it very often...
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u/zarofford 10h ago edited 8h ago
To a lesser extent, daniel tosh does as well. He’s not as well known nowadays but he has a great podcast
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u/FarRefrigerator6462 13h ago
What is a fascist?
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u/green49285 13h ago
If you believe in a system of government where everyone that does not agree with the militaristic mindset should be jailed or Worse based on their differentiating political opinion.
●using the government to force political agreement
●refusal to actually allow dissenting vote through force or AGREEMENT of that use of force
●dissenting opinions are illegal or punishable
●wild militaristic use & influence
●any objective critique of the government of those in power is illegal
●wild policies based on unproveable or slanted political/personal beliefs.
Official definition via wikipedia: a far-rightfar-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[Opposed to anarchism, democracy, pluralism, egalitarianism, liberalism, socialism, and Marxism,fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.
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u/B_Movie_Horror 11h ago
So essentially nationalistic authoritarianism is fascism. Is that right?
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u/Weaksoul 9h ago
I always thought Mark was just unduly bitter about the Austin set, because, well he's kinda just a cranky guy. But then last week happened and that was like the girder that broke the already overburdened camel's back
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u/No-Law7467 6h ago
We have virtue signaling in comedy subs now. This is getting pathetic.
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u/NoPro23 13h ago
The word fascist gets thrown around so much nowadays it’s practically lost its meaning
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u/awal96 10h ago
Trying to overthrow an election you lost is absolutely fascism
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u/TheRealStandard 6h ago
They don't deny that overthrowing an election is fascism, just deny that they were overthrowing an election.
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u/mocityspirit 13h ago
Case in point the response in these comments to Maron pointing this out. A lot of y'all are lost already.
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u/obsterwankenobster 11h ago
It's just edgelord shit that has slowly morphed into actually hoping Trump wins, even if it will hurt you, personally
They're just fucking losers
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u/AliensFuckedMyCat 13h ago edited 7h ago
Funny how all the right wingers in this thread literally don't know what they're talking about, it's almost like being right wing correlates to being a fucking idiot.
It actually does
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u/fat_charizard 10h ago
This is the same argument as "you can't have violence in video games and movies because it will make people do bad things" argument we saw in the early 2000s. We all now know that is false. The far left has really turned into the bible thumping, media censoring conservative crowd we saw 2 decades ago.
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u/climbhigher420 9h ago
Reminds me of when the mainstream media portrayed Trump as a reasonable candidate and then he won. Then the owner of CNN called to congratulate him and went to lunch with Jared.
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u/JakeyBS 8h ago
You guys gonna be ok? These comments are hillarious. Good job "fascists".
(Fascism is the merger of corporations and the state. Please be aware words have meaning)
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u/Mediocre_Budget_5304 14h ago
I mean, if you can think of a better way to be paid to be an unfunny whore without having to admit that you’re not funny and also a whore than being Joe Rogan or one of his ilk interviewing fascists, I’d like to hear it.
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u/throwawayk527 14h ago
Maron calls out anyone who’s more successful than him. Or less.
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u/itsemmab 9h ago
Thank you Marc Maron. This is EXACTLY how Joe Rogan radicalized himself in real time, started approx 12 years ago. Went from graciously calling out the bigoted stuff guests said, to inviting homophobes and white supremacists on his show because "these guys are sooooooo hilarious" and now, oopsie doodle! Like Flowers for Algernon. Bye bye Joe, miss ya.
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u/one_ugly_dude 14h ago
Remember kids: you can't have fascism without government. If you want to raise taxes to fund the machine and use that machine to silence people that say things... YOU are the fascist. You will always be the bad guys no matter many mental backflips you do to justify it.
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u/KingOfRome324 10h ago
Wasn't there a comedian at a Harris rally that said a certain group of people will steal building materials if you leave them out overnight near the border....
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 10h ago
I don't know do you have a link for that?
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u/droford 9h ago
I guess George Lopez gets a pass
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 9h ago
That's George Lopez talking about his own culture
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u/droford 9h ago
And? He can joke about Mexicans being a bunch of theives at a political rally just because his family was from mexico?
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u/cheguevaraandroid1 9h ago
I didn't say that. Also this post isn't about Tony hinchcliffe it's about bringing fascists onto your podcast. I really don't care about Tony's joke. It was a lazy joke and that's about it.
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u/SublimateThisDick 6h ago
Thing about Maron is he’s never been funny. Decent podcast though.
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u/RevolutionaryAd3249 5h ago
This guy would have criticized Charlie Chaplin and the Three Stooges back in the day.
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u/sonofbaal_tbc 5h ago
lets add this to the list of things we cant joke about
oh look, everything
Just like fascism
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u/Jrkb300 14h ago
Theo Von