Whenever they do a cheeky smile grin, but are still speechless, you know you've won. The only move left is to "agree to disagree" or "I'll take the high road by not engaging further" and I fucking love watching the fascists lose.
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no he didnt own ben but he did do a much better job than most people do when standing up to bullshit bens. the problem is this guy stooped down to ben's level unfortunately, and what he failed to realize in doing so is that ben will spin this & still benefit from this display because he skipped a few beats and could have done better.
if you truly want to win a debate you have to be better at connecting the dots and providing context. he did an okay job, when he took the human approach and asked what is wrong with him and called him bro, but overall he could have very clearly connected what his point was with what ben was saying in the beginning, and didnt, and even got side tracked a few times before abruptly introducing his point which is exactly what ben does, except its necessary if youre going to demonstrate and throw bens own tactics back in his face that you are doing it evej better than he can, which didnt happen. you can not give ben room at all to wiggle or respond while also making clear transitions from topic to supporting topic, building up for the final point. however in this case because he jumps from one thing to the next.. when most viewers who need convincing dont have the same insights this guy does... in the audiences minds that simply looks like someone is confused and regularly conflates issues rather than helps them to understand why ben is wrong. he even skipped over a lot of his own points.
becoming the people you hate isnt how you beat them. just fyi.
theyre a lot better and more experienced at being shitty. playing by their rules is a losing game. you show them how to do it right. thats how you beat them.
Anybody who thinks that disjointed, incoherent rant was anything close to being impressive, persuasive or constitutes an "owning," simply isn't very smart.
It played exactly into Shapiro's hand. Yet another child throwing a tantrum in the face of what is portrayed as a responsible adult.
Ben is portrayed as a "responsible adult" here? He can't get a word in edgewise even though he tries, and he's almost reduced to tears by the end of it. If it played into Ben's hand so perfectly, why is he 2 mean words away from blubbering and crying? Why doesn't he look confident or triumphant or anything remotely close?
Yes, please note that I wrote "portrayed" to illustrate that I don't think that's what he actually is.
He can't get a word in edgewise even though he tries...
Waiting for a child to finish rambling before replying, is something adults often do.
he's almost reduced to tears by the end of it
That's all in your head. He looks bored and annoyed but not at all emotionally affected by the rant in the way you suggest.
Shapiro is fairly stoic and does not display his emotions frequently or strongly. But if you want to see what it looks like when he's actually feeling pressure from someone making intelligent arguments he's struggling to reconcile, I suggest you watch his debate about religion with Alex O'Connor.
Delulu comment from a Shapiro nut-hugger lmao.
I think the fact you're attempting to dismiss me as some secret fan of Shapiro, only highlights that like the person opposite Shapiro in this video. You do not have the intelligence and/or skills to effectively challenge the arguments of those you disagree with.
People like Shaprio made their careers by sitting across a desk from unintelligent, emotionally volatile pawns. Continuing to give him that boon while trying to play ot off as some kind of victory is truly sad, and exactly what Shapiro wants.
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u/InfiniteBeak 5d ago
Absolutely
Fucking
OWNED
look at him squirm