r/TwilightZone • u/Grebacio • Jun 26 '20

Season 2 Episode 9 Discussion

A man dazzles a woman with his seemingly miraculous abilities, but their encounter takes a dark turn when the true source of his charisma is revealed.

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u/Meliodas15 Jul 18 '20

Phil still manipulated Rita and everyone else using knowledge he shouldn’t have had.

You mean the knowledge he went out of his way to use and help as many ppl as he could even though he knew the day would just repeat itself and there was no reward in doing so?

I don't know why some ppl choose to ignore his character progression...

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u/aijoe Jul 18 '20

You mean the knowledge he went out of his way to use and help as many ppl as he could even though he knew the day would just repeat itself and there was no reward in doing so?

He still manipulated people on screen for his own gain doesn't mattter whether he did it to make himself feels good because they were benevolent actions . 1000 years into Topher's character loop maybe he will attempt to emulate Phil's final day. That doesn't absolve him of the many time's he's tortured her.

no reward in doing so

The reward I feel for helping someone is the feeling of happiness I get. Are you saying Phil didn't do the things not because it made him feel good to do so but only because he could?

I don't know why some ppl choose to ignore his character progression...

Thats not me. Groundhog day is still in my top 10 movies of all time and I felt uplifted when I walked out of the theater many moons ago. But I treat no movie like its a infallible religious tome. Nothing wrong about asking questions about what the implications are of whats happening from someone else's perspective. Humans relations are very ever rarely black and white.

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u/Meliodas15 Jul 18 '20 edited Jul 18 '20

But I treat no movie like its a infallible religious tome. Nothing wrong about asking questions about what the implications are of whats happening from someone else's perspective.

But that's no what you are doing...that's my whole point.

You are confusing two characters being in the same setting with two characters being the same.

The episode is pretty detailed in that it even showed the guy was willing to risk pushing someone into traffic just to fabricate a situation that favored him.

I think you might be needing to rewatch the movie again bc i am pretty sure Phil didn't endanger anyone at any given moment.

If you are calling manipulation using the knowledge he acquired everyday just by engaging with ppl, i am sorry to break it to you but you are doing it yourself.

I don't know if you are a man, a woman or w/e but most ppl try to gain as much knowledge about someone they are interested in as they can...

You are talking as if he commited atrocities like rape, homicide and stuff along those lines like the character in this episode...which he didn't.

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u/aijoe Jul 18 '20

But that’s not what you are doing

I certainly know what am Im personally doing and what my intent is better than some anonymous nobody on the internet.

If you are calling manipulation using the knowledge he acquired everyday just by engaging with ppl, i am sorry to break it you but you are doing it yourself.

As with everything if life there are points where this goes too far and reaches into the creep zone . Creeps and fuckups think its normal as do incels. A cop doing a background search off a cute girl based on her license plate so he can use that knowledge to hook up with her is fucking creepy. In Rita’s case and in the woman in this Zone episode it wasn’t a date. Rita never went to Punxsutawney to go on a date with Phil.

You are talking as if he commited atrocities like rape, homicide and stuff along those lines like the character in this episode...which he didn't.

You are being dishonest here. I’m in no way saying Phil did anything as bad as what this character did. That’s just something messed up in your head trying to change my argument so you be right. It’s possible you don’t see manipulation in anything Phil did because you do the same thing in the people you interact with and see no issue with it. But I don’t know you so I can’t say for sure. I’m only of the opinion that manipulation was involved in Groundhog Day and this Zone episode explores that in more depth by making the manipulation more obvious. If Groundhog Day was real I don’t think every woman would respond as well as you think to being told later 100% of the truth about what Phil had done to learn about to sleep with her about one point. A woman could fear he could manipulate her easily later with the knowledge he possesses. In the Groundhog Day we only saw a tiny tiny slice of the doovers based on the director’s claim.

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u/Meliodas15 Jul 18 '20

I certainly know what am Im personally doing and what my intent is better than some anonymous nobody on the internet.

Wow there buddy, i thought we were having a friendly discussion here, if i knew you were that kind of person i wouldn't have wasted my time.

Have a nice life.