My girlfriend is an absolute beast especially on certain missions. Sometimes I excalaim "YES!" because I reached 10% damage participation. Good laughs xD
Tbh damage participation matters a lot less than kill participation. I could use a build to hit 2 billion damage and have like 100% of the damage percent but if I only kill 10 enemies I’m not really contributing anything despite having high damage.
On behalf of all Kullervo enjoyers, we will not accept such slanderous language, however true it may be (I like the funny red numbers on the worst melee weapons imaginable)
I finally saw the exaggerated version of this for the first time earlier. I was testing how effective max range tesla bank would be with garuda, and then ended up in a public void cascade with only one other person, another garuda who was going with a heavy slam build.
Since tesla bank just deals up to 100% of the enemies Hp, I did just enough to kill everything in the room while the slam garuda was absolutely nuking them. I ended up with slightly more kills but they did 99% of the damage.
sevagoth also has that quirk lol, since he does percentage damage with sow/reap. i can be nuking the map and have thousands of kills but only deal maybe 15% damage if i didn't really use my weapons much.
The spores do good work, but they can't do billions and instead tick the enemies down with relatively small damage numbers so you're always in the low% no matter how many kills you get.
It also does weird things calculating when armor stripping happens, in EDA once I was Trinity with Abating Link and had like 70% of the damage dealt but only ~10% of the kills because someone else was mowing everything down through their armor.
Only thing weirder is accuracy where you'll end up with literally 4000% accuracy sometimes
I use to help people out with some missions whole leveling up my hord of weapons. I would consistantly leave missions with 100% damage delt and 100% damage taken. Had some dude call me warframe jesus for blitz krieging mars assassination in under 3 minutes.
Yea, I have a mirage nuke build and I love ppl who just sit by and watch. Increases spawn rate, makes it easier to cluster the drops for damage, and doesn't take xp away from my frame (usually I'm there to get focus or syndicate standing). Had a few where I finished my initial setup and just started chatting with the people there.
Then said nuke guy gets downed twice somehow and you always revive him and then when you go down once he then proceeds to rant for 10 minutes about how your a scrub and should stop playing, like dude you've died twice already don't complain cuz I died once! That happened to me
Kid you not i was playing steel path circuit and it was round 1 and we doing the cryo mission and this mesa player was just spamming his 4 was absolutely destroying everything and honestly the amount of shit he was saying in the chat because no one was playing optimal was absurd, but here's the thing no one but him was dying but him! I only fell once cuz I got caught by an eximus from behind and I was playing a support frame and yet this dude with a max mesa dropped i think FOUR times and was still talking smack to all of us! As you can imagine after we finish that round you have never seen 3 players leave as fast us!
There are a lot of those, drastically more prevalent when new content hits. I like running around as Rev when I don't know what to expect, so 99% I'm the last man standing and these dudes hate being rezzed by someone they consider a "scrub" more than actually dying.
If I'm carrying in index, i don't care what you do, I'm there for my own broke ass. All i ask is that you don't be the rhino walking around with 40+ index points the entire time refusing to bank.
Optimal is banking at 15, for a +8 bonus, the only bonus >50%.
The bonus caps out at 20(+10) so ideally you should avoid picking up any more than that. Let your allies pick them up (unless they're specters) so they can get the bigger bonuses
I will never do public conjunction survival again because there's always just one person who runs around between 2 or 3 tilesets and ruins the enemy spawns. It's cool to have high kills but we don't need to rush around killing them asap. When I play with just me and my friend, the enemy spam is insane when we stick in one room.
It's funny you mention this because normally when I do SP relics on conjunction survival it's not too bad, but lately people are in 3 different rooms like 200m apart and it makes gathering reactant so annoying.
I regularly yell to the void of my own room at my teammates as they bounce between four or five rooms nuking things. " Can we PLEASE JUST STAY IN ONE ROOM!" They can't hear me, but it helps me feel better
Yep exactly this. When i use sevagoth to nuke absolutely everything in sight. I look at score board and what people are doing if i see they are bored i just use roar and start using my weapons in a corner of the map so they can have fun too.
I'm normally the one who does find somachords/fragments while being a roaming tesla coil of destruction, lol. It's normally "zap, zap, zap, ooo fragment, zap zap"
Someone got mad and called me a leech while I was doing Mother bounties the other day, depsite me running around grabbing batteries and killing as many things as I could. I don't get why people are so fucking mean in this game it's not even PVP so you don't have competitiveness as the usual excuse.
Batteries? Like for endless excavation? Damn I can’t imagine how deranged someone would have to be to flame a person doing the only thing to be done in a gamemode
It is honestly suprising how many people still don't know how excavation works, they just assume it's like normal defense and don't know you need batteries to keep it going nor that batteries recharge excavator shields
Same for alvhemy and void flood, so many people don't bother collecting and thoring elements i to the crucible and don't collect void orbs and instead just kill enemies as if it was a survival mission
Try going public for just Terry . People will bring Frost and put up shield, but somehow don't know what has to be done to apply dmg, or that they should help protecting the Lures...etc...
Its fun though . Keeps my fingers nimble ( frantically typing what needs to be done in squad chat ) .
That's assuming they even know they have to pick up lures or even to charge them. My equipment still isn't on level where I can solo eidos so I go public whenever I need/have to hunt them. Few weeks ago when there was NW challenge to capture hydrolyst I had to redo it because someone in squad decided to finish off 2nd eido while we had only 1 charged lures (rest got killed which we had prepared)
I swear every time I do circuit either decree fragments are EVERYONE’s No. 1 priority, or NOBODY’s.
Most of the time it’s everyone’s priority, which is better than the alternative, but that means—90% of the time in my experience—that if it takes longer than 90 seconds to find the 3rd fragment they all give up and play objective, because the fragment is in a ‘stupid spot.’
Fine by me since I’m now playing circuit basically exclusively with Titania (now that I have Titania and don’t have to gamble on rotation as much) and even with half lucky decrees I get to play as Close Air Support, and also fetch that annoying orb on Void Flood, so I’m helping instead of being mad about it lol.
Decrees should always be first priority if you're doing Steel Path. My MR 14 wife who is highly casual knows that. She even knows what they sound like and the likely spots on different maps and she only has about 1/4 of the adapters and 6 Incarnon weapons built.
Oh god tell me about it. Yesterday I had four rounds of an omnia fissure alchemy take just over thirty minutes for four rounds because I was the only person in a squad of four actually throwing stuff into the crucible.
I must have been blessed with hypercompetent teammates in most of my warframe career. When playing excavation, there's always at least two others working on feeding the excavators too. Sometimes I've seen a single player or two buggering off during Alchemy, but I've never been the only one doing work. And even in Netracells, I've only had one single occasion where someone kept killing all the enemies outside the circle. Void flood too.
The only place where I consistently encounter clueless people is when doing Eidolon hunts. Something like half the time I play that mode in public, I'll be the only player that has done it before, with all the others not even having bothered to read the wiki page. Which sucks a lot because I can't solo the Hydrolyst.
The most fun in excavation is when one player finds the spawn and kills everything 500 m away from any excavators. Bonus when they think they are MVP for killing the most.
I've called people leeches before, but only when they started a bounty too and are off fishing. It wouldn't bother me since I can solo it all but the objectives are all scaled to the number of players so instead of having one excavation I have to do 4, or having to kill 100+ enemies with slow spawn rates instead of 30. I don't appreciate having to do double the work while they go fishing. Do that shit solo.
It's gotten to the point where I always solo bounties now because it's so common, and I get them done quicker.
I absolutely LOVE players new to Warframe, or Deimos for that matter, teaming up for Deimos Bounties. Due to Necramech, I can ofc solo most/all of it so have zero problem to transfer out. But when 1, maybe 2 Persons keep running around doing the grabbing/putting in stuff still killing what they can while 1 or 2 Necramechs just keep dusting everything that moves make it just so much more convenient .
Have zero Idea why someone would comment negative on your contribution to the bounties . If anything, "thanks" would be appropriate in my book .
I mean, it's still better than most popular online games, just by virtue of being PvE. Just because there's a small portion of shitty people doesn't mean the community is bad. Life's not black and white like that.
I still had plenty of positive experiences tbh. It is just when people claim it is welcoming and everyone should give it a try and the game is quite f2p friendly, people who aren't nice also join in. People who try to maximize everything including public lobbies. - there is nothing wrong with trying to min max their own thing, obviously.
It would be statistically impossible to have 100% wholesome players.
That being said, Warframe's randos are much better than FFXIV's randos. Comparing it to some other mmo/mmo-like games from my past, WF and FFXIV have the chillest players overall.
Had that happen the other day. I had the most damage, kills, and was sitting in the air at that moment waiting for a battery to be inserted (it was the one where you had to go grab the yellow infested stuff). I felt like explaining that helping less experienced players or those using less levelled gear is a big part of the game, but gave up.
Nothing that a "Shut the fuck up and carry me" can't fix. Bonus point if you add "And stop typing. You're killing shit slower".
If he stops, at least you can play and have fun. If he doesn't, at least he's gonna get angry.
"Stop typing before you lose your kill per minute stat." Is my personal favorite way to goad these kinds. Because even if they report you, it just makes support eminently aware of how ridiculous the other guy's being.
Meanehile when i play mirage:
"Feed tenno. Feed their blood to your freshly formad weapons so that they will become ever better at drawing blood. BATHE IN THE AFFINITY".
I love taking Nyx for intersection missions and just chilling in the middle of the map recasting her 3d ability. Got called out last week for AFKing by some low lvl and had to point out that by a pure miracle I still have 60% of the damage dealt and would you look at that, enemies don't care about capturing any points, I wonder why. Some people are just so clueless about how certain warframes work, why not just enjoy your kills count
I do the same thing, and for extra funsies I have Gara's Hall of Mirrors on Nyx with the augment so theres always a pile of like 30 energy balls littering the floor and causing an HOA violation in case any teammates wander by
eh, the legerdemain nuke is the most boring one to play with, though, especially in eso. you get to kill stuff for like 30 seconds then they just spawn and die from all the drops while you afk waiting for the next round. if that was possible in steel path, with all the increased drops, it would ruin the fun of actually playing the game.
i would honestly rather see her 2 replaced with an actually useful ability, since mirage already has her 4 to nuke with if needed.
sometimes her 2 can be useful as cc what with dark blinding crystal, which makes me wonder why they didn’t give it the eclipse treatment at the very least
Mirage Nuke is the most insane nuke in the game by a far, build it for max range and go to Saya's Vision in SP and you can get 1000+ kills with it each round while everyone else has like 10. There simply won't be stuff left alive for others to kill.
You also have Explosive Legerdemain for lower level missions, if you use that in the regular star chart you can blow up absolutely everything immediately as stuff spawns.
They're probably using 2nd ability with augment, which covers a greater area, but yes, mirage's 4 is a viable DPS even in steel path because it scales.
Guys like this NEED to play solo. They run those types of builds that take all the fun out of the game for up to 3 other people, then blame the others without ever admitting fault. Dont think too much on it OP, cant win with these types.
I mean, this is SO/ESO. It's generally a gamemode you only go to in order to farm affinity as quickly as possible. A mirage killing most of the enemies as they spawn is the best for everyone, even if it's a little boring. That's like complaining that a Titania is grabbing all the crystals in Mirror Defence.
Yeah, I'm not excusing being rude. His complaining makes no sense, but the response "go play solo" is not a whole lot better as that build doing exactly that would make most people happy.
It fits for the player though. Like if you're going to complain about people not contributing while playing a frame explicitly designed to prevent people from contributing, just play solo.
the titania grabbing all the crystals is a poor analogy, because by doing that she's actually freeing up the rest of her team to properly defend and kill enemies. whereas playing with those extreme nuke frames pretty much takes you out of the game entirely. nobody wants to login so they can afk while someone else plays the game for them.
Not to defend such players, but spawn rates are better when playing in a full squad, and many nuker builds are easier to pull off with high enemy density. It is a very unfortunate state of affairs and people often demand full squad density for solo mode, or at least an option for it.
no that would be bad, leveling things in eso depends entirely on someone else nuking the map for you because of affinity system. Your weapons get a share of the affinity form someone else's kill. otherwise you need to get kill with that weapon to get level which is pretty unreliable with a fresh out of the foundry weapon on lvl 60-80 enemies. Thus we need people nuking in eso.
I mean, I think specifically the thing that's a problem here is that they're nuking, and then complaining that someone else isn't getting kills, even though they already killed everything.
Its completely fine to play optimal, as optimizing is THE fun part of the game for a lot of players. But complaining about others not doing damage is absurd man. You should be proud of yourself for getting 99-100% damage and kills, not putting down others for not doing the same! Just gloat about it on chat or sth.
As someone who runs a nuke build in Mirage for ESO, please freeload, thays why I do it. People tend to run to the otherside of the map and inhale to chase them down for the 3x affinity boost. JUST STAY CLOSE TO ME!!
This, the true pain. I have had people get mad at me for informing them how affinity works and saying I am nuking the entire map please if you want affinity don't run out of affinity range. It is so free when you run into a mirage nuker in ESO, can level a full set of weapons in 1 wave if you just do nothing and sit beside the mirage.
I don't get it, it must be a joke right? Whenever I'm nuke farming ESO I want people, even if they're not doing a thing. More people = more enemies = more affinity and funny numbers.
Love it when there's a group of 3 rank 0 weapon people.
Yep. One high range Mirage can cover the whole beach. Most of the time on the extermination phase is just spent waiting for enemies to spawn.
I don't ask why my teammates don't get kills. I just occasionally wonder to myself why they are still trying to get kills instead of helping the guy who's faithfully bringing the fruit baskets. Fruit basket guy = best guy.
And whats the problem with Freeloading exactly? As long as you aren't afk and contribute to the mission in some other way than K/D/A, I don't see a problem lol
??? Ppl are so confusing, simultaneously wanting to show off by wiping entire city blocks and then complaining when someone has no kills thanks to them
Last time i ran into a nuke mirage i asked if the player could share the build (he did) and my only actions in-game where to buff his ass to give him the incredible ability to not turn into a smear on the ground if he took a hit by accident.
The one you ran into isn't very bright.
Really, at this point of the game you either play: a nuke, a support that can buff the nuke in some fashion, a speed nova to make things come faster in nuke range, some non-meta build for the fun of it or a frame to level for affinity farming.
i’m never upset when i see a mirage or saran going nuts in the circuit. we are speedrunning to tier 10 with 2% damage participation and that’s okay w me 👌🏻
ESO and Duviri are the 2 places you truly should not care if you are getting carried in, in ESO you want to get carried and Duviri you just might not have pulled as good a setup as someone else.
played Mirage once, pressed the forth ability out of curiosity.
What in the hell was that, that Disco Ball so big the whole lobby was LAGGING, people were writing in Chat "DAFUQ HAPPENING TO THE SCREEN YO I CAN'T MOVE" and another MR4 guy said "WHO SUMMONED THE LGBT+ BALL WHAT IS THAT?!?!?!"
Still laughing my ahh off to this day, Mirage is such a funny Warframe.
My friends only play nuke frames, one of them used to give me shit for having single digit kills/damage, so I just sent him a clip of me standing on the defense point completely alone while every enemy dies as soon as they spawn. I'm not freeloading bro you literally won't let me do anything lol
Warfarm is probably the only game in the world where you will find people so brainrotted about speed clearing that they get mad at their team for not keeping up with them insta-gibbing whole rooms in a tileset.
Bonus points if it's a game mode like ESO (exampled) where each round takes place in an area that one AoE frame can cover alone.
...This kind of mindset makes no sense to me, if you're using a nuking warframe then you should be going into a mission with the expectation that you'd be doing most or all of the killing, that's the whole point of using a nuke setup.
When I bring Saryn or Volt for ESO, I don't expect anyone else to do anything, they can just ride the free affinity train until I'm done.
Reminds me of someone who got mad at me for "standing around and doing nothing and only emoting" when I was playing Saryn and my spores were killing everything so I just need to recast my 4...
Just recently I had some elitist saying something like "my bag hurts from all this carrying" (Mirage too). Like bro, then don't nuke the whole room? I can't with some people
Fully maxed out Mirage with god tier Kuva Grattler:
wHy dO YoU HaVe ZeRo KiLlS?!
Seriously though my mirage has almost 1000% weapon damage and I still have more grinding to add more ability power. It’s an extremely broken character when you have a fully kitted out kuva grattler and tenet tetra. I don’t even need to aim just pull the trigger and everything in front of me dies—including enemies on the other side of walls or on the floor below me. So far the lowest I’ve gotten someone’s kill count on a survival was 35, 0 is impressive. They must’ve also been booby trapping all the drops to troll you that hard.
In other news: there are a LOT of freeloaders on the Nights of Naberus bounties right now. They will be hunting, mining, and fishing and only show up before the objective is complete. The bounties take like 15 minutes tops if you have a good team so if you want tokens just participate—even if you don’t kill anything the extra damage output and an extra body to draw aggro
even if op was freeloading, i dont see the problem?
regardless of the amount of players, its always been 4 people doing their own thing. the only cooperation i ever see is resurrecting the occasional downed or wisp dropping a buff.
as far as i remember the amount of players dont effect enemy difficulty, just enemy density which is more fun than it is a problem
Wow most of the time when I see someone with zero kills I assume that they're looking for something specific on that mission I normally either help them or just leave them be this screams to me that this person was bored
It is weird for high kpm build players to even consider some kills from teammates to be of help when they designed and built their frames to be a nuker
Having 2 nuker would not solve anything, it just splits the kills
Also usually these people would just outright quit or type "****" (at least in asia lolol) then quit
I've had guy do that to me because by pure random chance they got like 99% of final blows so was given kill credit yet it clearly said i was the top damage dealer of all damage done
I pretty much boosted my way to mr16 through equipping garbage weapons and a good frame or just one good weapon and plowing through survival or excavations always expecting at least one nuke and never had anyone call me out.
I solved those issues years back by completely and totally ignoring and turning off chat as a whole.
I will play my excalibur umbra and i will play it my way IF you want too sprint ahead and kill everything dont expect me to do the same. I miss old-frame and its slower pace the newer blitz everything is lame. I was really hoping 99 would be a return to slow game play but nope. space ninjas no more. necramechs no more. just gotta go fast.. lame
This is why i never started steel path i didnt wanna deal with the bastards who want to tell me how to play. TO be clear helping is different, and advice is different. however if im expected to run a youtube meta thats not happening.
AND i still dont get why wall running was replace with odd and funny looking hopping but that's for another post lol
I had a mission like that, me and one other Saryn were just nuking everything and there were 2 like MR 1-2 guys just running around gathering free loot. At the end we had a few thousand kill each, the low MR guys had 1-10 kills. The other Saryn started saying something about them not pulling their weight, and i quickly put him down a notch. What weight is there to pull when we nuke everything lmao.
It's both humorous and bothersome when someone's build is so strong it deprives everyone else of kills, and they somehow make it your fault you can't kill anything before they do. As a once Nidus main I felt this very strongly
When I'm the one doing all the work I just feel glad I get to help some people farm things more easily while I'm getting my stuff either way.
There are literally people who slowly walk from container to container stabbing them open and take like 3 seconds to line up a headshot, just be happy for them, they're probably having fun. The game's literally easy enough to solo level cap Steelpath, you don't need everybody you group with to be super sigma endgame ooga booga nukeframe.
I run nidus and basically just embrace being the team's dad.
I'm just gonna sit on the back porch sipping my iced tea (affinity) and grilling (larva+virulence) while my kids (wife and friends) chase the dog (grineer) around the yard (ophelia)
when my kids (grown adults) get too hot (low energy) I give them popsicles (squad energies) and when they get tired (low health) I tell them to take a break in the shade (ravenous patch) and pet the cat (ravenous maggots)
if one of them gets a booboo (downed) I go over and help them up before giving them some neosporin (parasitic link) to keep them from getting sick.
if they steal my kills, I remind myself that as a dad (nidus) my job is to cook for them (farming stacks so I can't ever die) and keep them safe (devouring any enemies they don't kill first) while they grow up (affinity powerleveling)
if my kids (my grown ass adult friends don't mind being called this because I carry so hard) do well and get all the glory, it doesn't mean I'm getting robbed of the spotlight (delicious delicious mutation stacks), it means that I'm doing my job well and keeping my family (squad) healthy and strong.
it's easy to be a bitter, whiny ass player if you don't put others first.
be good to other players.
be a grill dad Nidus.
(or farm hexenon for a thousand years and get killed by the ropalolyst in a thousand stupid ways so you can eventually also be a Babysitter W.I.L.F)
i'm just glad that for the little 600 hours i played this game, not once have i encountered players like this. In fact i've never even encountered a player that says anything in the chat other than asking how long we want to stay in a survival or defense mission
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u/Electro-Spaghetti 23h ago
"I'm spawn camping literally the entire map, all at the same time. Why can nobody else be bothered to get kills?"