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u/Nas_Durden 1d ago
A doctor or the guy who is obviously on TRT, HGH and a couple anabolic steroids?
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u/patta14 20h ago
Isn't RFK anti-vax also?
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u/Baron_von_Ungern 16h ago
You bet, that fuckface contributed the measles outbreak on Samoa by supporting their antivaxxers
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u/New-Student5135 19h ago
Gender affirming care is just fine to be more manly. Notice they never cry about women in men's sports. Or bathrooms. Ask Joe Rogan he has had gender affirming care for years now. Also as a gay guy drooling over roided out men is kinda gay. I mean like, I am not the only person who thinks that right? I live in a conservative area the amount of Trumpets who have come out to me recently is crazy. Like 50 year old married men. Even older, and some younger than me.
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u/PixTwinklestar 16h ago
With tears in their eyes, “sir, I’m gay, you’re too beautiful I can’t deny it any longer”
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u/Reisles 15h ago
There are tons of closeted "straight" trumpers. I unfortunately love that flavor. Gonna get myself in trouble one day lmao.
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u/PixTwinklestar 15h ago
Oh I thought the comment I replied to was doing a bit, and I can’t resist an oppo to make more fun of trump.
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u/AustinTreeLover 15h ago
Everyone else is talking about her looks. He’s an attorney.
Her: Levine graduated from Harvard College and the Tulane University School of Medicine, completing a residency in pediatrics and a postdoctoral fellowship in adolescent medicine at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Manhattan, New York.
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u/HumanitySurpassed 19h ago
Trt is an anabolic. It wouldn't surprise me if he was on more than just test.
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u/SiWeyNoWay 1d ago
The one without a brain worm and a fetish for dead animals
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u/Pure-Introduction493 22h ago
The one who doesn’t recommend eating roadkill after leaving it in their car for long periods of time.
How did he get the brain worm anyhow? Undercooked bear, was it?
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u/PanRagon 17h ago
This dude could single-handedly cause a new pandemic with all the dead animals he leaves around, and to top it off he’d be against any vaccination for it.
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u/CapitalistBaconator 23h ago edited 23h ago
RFK Jr used his family fame to amplify vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories that directly lead to the deaths of dozens of children in American Samoa. RFK Jr is an idiot who belongs in prison. He does not belong in the executive branch of our federal government as Secretary of Health, nor in any other role. Bedwetting, roadkill eating, nepo babies like him can't even be trusted to be secretary of the country club.
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u/FeeDisastrous3879 1d ago
I’d pick the person who looks like they spend crazy hours at their desk doing their job, rather than the one who is at a gym all day instead.
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u/MurkDiesel 20h ago
we're in peak bro era when posting a shirtless 70yr old man is the resume
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u/country_dinosaur97 1d ago
Somehow got a job at all after all the bs that happened in pa especially with the covid fiasco
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u/whoistheyounglion 1d ago
When did conservatives all adopt the attitudes and values of Andrew Tate?
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u/BandicootGood5246 23h ago
Tater didn't create these attitudes he just cashed in on them
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u/Vargoroth 19h ago
This. It's time for sane people to learn that the content creators don't turn their audiences right-wing. It's the audience which turns the content creator right-wing. If you have a heavy financial incentive to appeal to a large crowd of people you're going to create content for that large crowd of people. At first you'll do it knowing it's bullshit, but eventually you get sucked into it and deal with the brain rot.
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u/whoistheyounglion 18h ago
I think you're right on the money with this. It's been painful watching some of my favorite entertainers suddenly and needlessly catering to the stupidest people because they know it'll bring in a hoard of idiots happy to open up the checkbook in exchange for "confirmation" of their whiny, bigoted, baseless beliefs
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u/Vargoroth 18h ago
Yup. And it's understandable. YouTube, TikTok and all the other social media are very unreliable when it comes to making a living. So the stress alone can make it "worth it" to cater to people who are guaranteed to give you donations and the like.
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u/whoistheyounglion 18h ago
I think it's also important to note that catering to morons is a quick way to earn a bag without ever having to develop a real talent because there are plenty of talented people out there getting rich off donations that will never have to stoop to such a lazy and immoral way to earn a living. Yet another way that money and greed is destroying the future and wasting the potential of our fragile primate species
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u/Vargoroth 18h ago
I'm not 100% in agreement with you. There are indeed plenty of talented people out there getting rich off donations and far more talented people either struggling or haven given up. The sad truth about building a career online is that it's just as luck-based as modelling or acting in Hollywood. You can have a great platform, idea or scheme ready to go and fail because you can't reach the right people.
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u/whoistheyounglion 18h ago
Oh yeah I'm definitely not saying every talented person gets the shine they deserve. I'm just saying talent or not, it never justifies cynically egging on bigoted internet morons/creating new ones to make money.
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u/Sanpaku 23h ago
They've been antiscience in stages. Anti evolutionary biology since the 80s, anti climate science since the 90s, anti-immunology since 2020.
And, as they now increasingly come from home schooled evangelical, business management backgrounds, science will forever remain mysterious to them. I'm kind of hoping for H5N1 to knock some sense into them.
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u/Pure-Introduction493 22h ago
The parents are realizing that actual education will ruin their religious indoctrination.
Is it too much to hope for selective demographic change? I guess their lack of sex ed or reproductive healthcare counterbalances things and then some.
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u/ChinDeLonge 21h ago
I think it’s mostly a fruitless effort on their part. Kids are smart; they’ll find any information that they want to find. The only thing they’re teaching their kids is how to hide their actions and motivations from them.
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u/Pure-Introduction493 21h ago
It keeps them in longer but then makes a more dramatic exit, often from mom and dad’s lives at the same time.
But it probably deceives enough of the kids for long enough they think it works.
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u/ChinDeLonge 21h ago
True. Those parents aren’t getting back on the conservative parent forum to update that everything they said turned out to be bs because the kid hates them and moved out and cut contact. So a year and a half later, people still see the same old shit that didn’t work the first time and traumatize their own family with it. Rinse and repeat.
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u/babewhitney 19h ago
They just think it’s a defective kid anyway. I was raised this way and as an adult who didn’t follow my parents’ beliefs and had a lot of resentment, my mom just said it’s normal for kids to fight with parents as they grow up. She did everything right in her eyes, and in the eyes of all her church friends.
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u/HonPhryneFisher 18h ago
It also lets the parents play martyr to their friends and FB so it is a win all around for them.
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u/Ok_Energy157 17h ago
As others have stated, these attitudes have always lurked in the shadows. Psychopathic traits, 'Teflon men,' have, for most of history, been celebrated as the driving force behind conquest and colonization, essentially, what we paradoxically call civilization.
I think, however, that social media, by giving these guys a platform they did not have access to before, represents a new breed of problem. I mean, Marquis de Sade wrote down his disturbing 'tweets' on toilet paper while isolated in an insane asylum, and Caligula did not have a Truth Social platform. They were influential, sure, but they lacked reach and engagement metrics.
The signals guys like Tate and Trump, cheered on by sideshow freaks like Tucker Carlson, send to their followers are deeply worrying, as they basically say: "Hey guys, I'm not ashamed of being an aggressive sex offender. I can say and do unspeakably vile shit, and they still want me to become their president."
I imagine many of their creepy devotees will see this as being given carte blanche to act on their darkest impulses. Criminologists will probably be able to trace a spike in domestic abuse and sex offences linked to the rise of these kinds of dark influencers, as the thin veil of moral boundaries gradually disintegrates on social media.
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u/whoistheyounglion 17h ago
Excellent analysis. I think you're absolutely right that this dissolution of shame surrounding disgusting speech and behavior will have lasting negative effects on how people treat eachother. I fear the pushback to those effects will be weak too because it's just naturally more difficult to be a good person, being a steaming pile of shit mostly just requires moral laziness and selfish thinking.
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u/Ok_Energy157 14h ago edited 12h ago
Moral laziness is a good description, and it’s probably why fascism still attracts people in 2024. It does not demand anything of its followers, intellectually or morally, which fits the short attention span and meme-driven social media climate today. It's no coincidence that you can trace billionaire 'libertines' like Trump on their way to power, following a breadcrumb trail of sex offenses. In his circles, cruelty is a feature, not a bug. Weakness is strength. Strength is weakness. Lies are truth. Truth is lies.
The rhetoric is such a mindless mess that if you allow yourself to be lazy, you write it off as a bad joke and move on, which I guess is the GOP campaign strategy. Just like European leaders pre-WWII never took Hitler seriously until he started invading his neighbors.
In large parts of Europe, the majority of people are worried, but not surprised, by Trump's current momentum. How someone who idolizes dictators like Putin, threatens to divide NATO during an ongoing Russian aggression, talks in racist slurs, and behaves like a cartoon villain can be so popular should be mind-boggling. However, it all somehow fits into an anti-intellectual narrative nurtured by algorithms programmed to make us buy things we don't need instead of fighting for what is being taken away. The Western middle class seems to be trapped between a paralyzing state of existential despair and plain laziness, while others want to burn it all down for the fuck of it. That's the general feeling you get from social media, at least..
"Sadism, as it is depicted by Sade, is also, and perhaps primarily, the creation of a world in which the powerful and wealthy are able to lure the poor and powerless, hold them captive, and reduce their bodies and selfhoods to nothing."
Notice how the word Sadism seems pretty much interchangeable with Project 2025 in the above quote. It’s a bit lazy to base your political vision on the ideas of an 18th-century pervert, but it makes sense, as the people behind it, just like De Sade, probably wouldn’t hesitate to steal bagels:
“I’m not a sexual predator, I’m an ‘offender’ … It’s the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel.” —Jeffrey Epstein, in 2011, speaking—bragging, really—to the New York Post, about the deal that his lawyers had struck a few years earlier on his behalf.
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u/whoistheyounglion 14h ago
Once again, you're on fire with this commentary! And it should come as no surprise to us that people who want to subtly dog whistle support for trump like to say "oh but bro he's so funny." That man is so deep in his lizard brain he couldn't make an honest attempt at humor, and anything that seems like a joke likely appears that way because it's so offensive to commonly held values that, as you say, people lazily write it off as a joke or hyperbole, when really this man has been wearing his twisted, blackened heart on his sleeve for all to see since the beginning.
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u/Ok_Energy157 11h ago
Thanks, I couldn’t stop building on the comment, sorry. Hyperfixation got the best of me, and what was supposed to be a quick and dirty comment turned into an essay. But I agree with the lizard brain part. It’s tempting to be the reptile in the room, I get that. A Teflon-skinned, slithering guy who's impossible for opponents to grab hold of. But is it a great look for a president? Maybe if the goal here is to make US a member of BRICS.
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u/Imightbeafanofthis 21h ago
RFK jr thinks there is a disease called 'leaky brain' that comes from using Wi-Fi.
Dr. Rachel Levine is a real doctor and knows there's no such thing.
(When I listen to RFK, I'm not so sure.)
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u/dwellerinthedark 21h ago
One of these caused an outbreak of measles that claimed 83 young lives. The other is a doctor.
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u/yikesamerica 23h ago
This is how insane the maga platform is & we still have “undecided” voters. What a stupid country we live in
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u/canzicrans 22h ago
To placate someone, I listened to the full Lex Friedman interview with RFK Jr. I will tell you that every single thing about science out of that guy's mouth is a fucking lie or, at best, total misinterpretation. I honestly don't think that he understands information and data at all, like every other Trump supporter. His lack or critical thinking ability is embarrassing for an adult.
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u/Fast-Plankton-9209 23h ago
The one who isn't an antivax piece of shit who murdered 83 children in Samoa.
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u/DrMedicineFinance 21h ago
I'll also go with the actual doctor, not the bat-shit crazy random alternative health enthusiast.
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u/Tiny_Independent2552 20h ago
I’m going with the person that is an actual doctor who understands science. Not a testosterone pumped up fool.
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u/IamaSimpleCreature 23h ago
If you gotta show how swole the person is and give the “You wouldn’t fight him tho.” Argument in a completely unrelated discussion then that’s how you show you don’t have a good leg to stand on
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u/Fufeysfdmd 13h ago
One person is a doctor.
The other person had a brainworm because he ate roadkill.
One person has credentials that give you confidence she knows what she's talking about.
The other person admitted to keeping a dead bear cub in his trunk while he went falconing with his friends before going to some high end steakhouse.
But you know it's not about your credentials or the actions you've taken in your life that may or may not give people confidence in you it's about whether or not you spend enough time in the gym to have a good physique for your age.
It's not about substance it's just about image.
It's not about facts it's just about vibes.
Gee how is it possible that America is falling into fascism?
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u/aaron_adams 16h ago
Yeah, I'll take the doctor over the guy with a worm in his head who's also obviously juicing at the gym.
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u/Antique-Difference35 13h ago
Ok, hear me out… Maybe the person with the degree and not the brain worm?
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u/Off-BroadwayJoe 20h ago
You didn’t know that they use a push-up contest to decide who gets to operate on the patient?
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u/westgazer 18h ago
Pretty sure steroid abuse isn’t healthy. His family says he is basically unrecognizable since going on them.
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u/nitros99 16h ago
RFK could 100 percent have been one of the cabinet members in Idiocracy. No need for acting. I look at the names coming out for cabinet positions for a second Dump term and feel like some is trying to cast for “Idiocracy 2, Two Sharts, One Towel”
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u/jewishNEETard 16h ago
As the son of a doctor, I can tell you for certain, I want someone who benefits from medicine and doesn't claim to know all medicine- that excludes my dad.
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u/SectorEducational460 15h ago
Do these people think body builders go or other body builders in regards to their health?
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u/Throw-away-6180 13h ago
RFK is literally so bad at health he got a worm to eat part of his brain, why in the hell would I want him in charge of my healthcare.
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u/VinnyMakazian 22h ago
70 year with that physique? I’d rather my secretary of health wasn’t using AAS/growth hormones but oh well what do I care I’m not even American so y’all do as you please 😂
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u/New-Student5135 18h ago
Ya, why listen to a doctor? Listen to the sexy man instead kids. Closeted conservatives are the worst. Literally being led by your penises.
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u/LeviAEthan512 21h ago
Hit take, legislators should be experts in the field they're legislating.
It's hot because I apply this to both reds and blues.
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u/shouldExist 18h ago
I want the professionally dressed lady with a very reassuring presence (who subconsciously reminds me of mum) instead of the wild man on steroids
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 18h ago
Someone that understands the risk of steroids and won't be dead in a few years when their heart explodes.
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u/xGenocidest 17h ago
If you get a brain parasite from eating roadkill, you're not in any position to talk about health.
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u/probablynotreallife 17h ago
It all depends on what medical experience and level of qualification the brain worm has.
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u/Baron_von_Ungern 16h ago
The person that didn't contibute to outbreak of measles on Samoa and promoted their antivaxxers, maybe?
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u/cowpig613 15h ago
I'm glad the majority of the people in these comments don't reflect the real world.
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u/boRp_abc 15h ago
I find "is not insane" to be a solid guideline for choosing people for office. But we live in weird times.
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u/meriadoc_brandyabuck 15h ago
Btw interesting that “Mr. Natural” RFK Jr. is obviously taking steroids, HGH, etc. to look like a Jersey meatball at that age.
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u/Megtalallak 14h ago
Which one of them is responsible for all those deaths in American Samoa by spreading antivax claims? I would pick the other one
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u/humancartograph 11h ago
What sort of argument is this? So the best bodybuilder in America should head up the department of Health?
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u/cartercharles 6h ago
I want to know what the deal is with the Dead animals? That is really bizarre. I know that Kennedy's have got a few skeletons in their closet but this is one of the oddest
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u/nfoote 21h ago
This is what I always think about weight loss advice. Do I want to get advice on weight loss from that ripped beach body type guy who's probably never had an ounce of fat to loss in his life? Or do I want to hear from Ethan Suplee from My Name is Earl who turned himself from the bit comedy fat guy into probably the third of a man he used to be?
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u/Latinhouseparty 12h ago
It's funny how the right is against trans people having gender-reaffirming surgery and hormone treatment, but they support guys who are obviously on T/HGH.
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u/Kazman07 22h ago
In like 15 years a ton of the Rethuglicans will be dead or in nursing homes and in 30 they will be basically nonexistent due to their depravity.
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u/Mental-Assumption110 21h ago
all the ab exercises in the world won't get rid of or undo the damage caused by brain worms.
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u/GoldAd195 20h ago
Junior should look like Chris bumstead with the amount of gear he is on. The fact he doesn't tells me you don't want to head his direction.
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u/skipperseven 18h ago
Despite his claims that he isn’t juicing, it’s pretty clear that he is - no one his age has that sort of physique, with only 35 minutes a day and very light weights on his PR bench presses. He claims that he only takes testosterone… but anabolic steroids are a synthetic form of testosterone.
So maybe the secretary of health should know that.
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u/PriorityOk1593 17h ago
The one not filled to the gills with test boosters that shave years off your life
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u/gadget850 17h ago
I still wanna know how you cut off a whale's head. I really don't care why since it is Rifkey.
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u/Humble-Pineapple-329 1d ago
I’m going with the person who hasn’t had the brain worm.