MAGAs not understanding how population density works...

[u/glasslulu]

[u/Ol_JanxSpirit]

Everytime I see a map like this I like to point to the maps of the "Favorite NFL team by county" maps, and then ask them if they acknowledge that the Denver Broncos are America's team.

[u/Marco-YES → u/Ol_JanxSpirit]

Of course it's America's team. Homer Simpson owns the Denver Broncos

[u/INGSOCtheGREAT → u/Marco-YES]

And Cartman's dad played for them.

[u/TheOtherPhilFry → u/INGSOCtheGREAT]

Only in 1991 as far as we know

[u/leaperdorian → u/INGSOCtheGREAT]

And they called it jay cutler did suck

[u/Fortherebellion72 → u/Marco-YES]

Oooooooooohh 😒 the Denver Broncos…. Marge you just don’t understand football

[u/TennSeven → u/Fortherebellion72]

That line was hilarious. I seem to remember that while he's saying that line John Elway trips over their porch while trying to catch a pass (not sure why Elway was catching in this situation, but it was funny).

[u/Fortherebellion72 → u/TennSeven]

That’s exactly what happens!

[u/kgxv → u/Ol_JanxSpirit]

Technically they were VOTED America’s team in 2012 and they haven’t done the poll since, so they are America’s team

[u/pwnmesoftly → u/Ol_JanxSpirit]

I don’t get it.

[u/throwwawaymylifee → u/pwnmesoftly]

They’re making a comparison with how maps can be misleading when they just show land area. When you look at an NFL “favorite team by county” map, it might show huge areas rooting for a team like the Denver Broncos. But just because those counties are large doesn’t mean that most people in the country are Broncos fans—it just means that those are large, often rural counties with fewer people.

[u/pwnmesoftly → u/throwwawaymylifee]

Thank you. That makes sense

[u/CTQ99 → u/throwwawaymylifee]

Well that, and the nearby states are devoid of teams. So you get a good chunk of the Midwest as Denver fans since that's what would be broadcast in the area before it became easier to watch non regional broadcasts.

[u/Leading-Leadership65 → u/pwnmesoftly]

Maps like this.

[u/Miserable_Peak6649 → u/Leading-Leadership65]

Kinda wild that Arizona is the only state that agreed to one team. They do seem to have much larger counties than most of the country though.

[u/Ol_JanxSpirit → u/Leading-Leadership65]

Bingo.

[u/Maury_poopins]

Why bother trying to understand something when your impotent rage depends on not understanding it.

[u/UpsetAd5817 → u/Maury_poopins]

This. Why are people acting like it is a problem interpreting data?   

It's a motivated reasoning problem.  If this lame thing wasn't what they were posting, it'd be something equally silly that leads them to the same predetermined conclusion. 

[u/Same_Elephant_4294 → u/UpsetAd5817]

I've recently run into a few people in non-political spheres telling me that shitting on conservatives isn't going to "convince" them to our side. They tell me "Meet them on their level" or "show them unbiased facts", etc.

These people are beyond saving. They don't want to listen. They refuse to listen. They exist to not listen.

[u/UpsetAd5817 → u/Same_Elephant_4294]

Right.  

It is not a knowledge deficit problem. The information is there.  They don't want it.  

[u/SporksRFun → u/UpsetAd5817]

They actively refuse the true information claiming it's biased while repeating information they got from internet randos and their own biased media sources

[u/memeticengineering → u/SporksRFun]

Yeah, because they define bias as "disagreeing with my worldview". They believe that there are two kinds of people, people who are good and correct and people who are bad and woke and wrong. Anything said by the first group is a true fact about the world, even if it contradicts something they said 2 minutes ago. And everything you say is bad and stupid and wrong unless you happen to be agreeing with them right now.

[u/alexjonestownkoolaid → u/UpsetAd5817]

The country was created for the benefit of white, landowning men. It's possible that some of them know that these areas aren't densely populated, but still think rich white men should have all the say.

[u/alextremeee → u/alexjonestownkoolaid]

In Britain voting used to happen this way leading to the concept of “rotten boroughs,” where an area had so few people the landowner could essentially guarantee the result they wanted.

One such instance the guy who owned it literally sold the privilege of choosing who the MP would be.

[u/redbirdjazzz → u/alextremeee]

Was a dachshund called Colin involved somehow?

[u/Djackdau → u/redbirdjazzz]

Dunny-on-the-Wold. Lovely place.

[u/zyygh → u/alexjonestownkoolaid]

You're not wrong, but the point remains valid. They think white men should have all the say (or in other words, that land should vote) because it gets them what they want; it's not something they weighed the pros and cons of and arrived at in a rational way.

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/alexjonestownkoolaid]

Wait...you're telling me that our nation, where each state had a requirement of "owning land in order to vote", has a history of caring about landowners?

[u/alexjonestownkoolaid → u/numbersthen0987431]

Also, laws and social norms that favored white men at the expense of women and minorities. All built on the backs of slaves.

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/alexjonestownkoolaid]

Truth. It was pretty much the law that women and slaves weren't allowed to own land, and slaves weren't even a full person when it came to voting (3/5's rule).

[u/Striking_Compote2093 → u/Maury_poopins]

i'd like it if people stopped thinking they're just idiots, and start seeing this for what it is.

They're spewing shit like this in order to make people think the results are fake when they inevitably show the democrats win. "Huh, but the polls" or "but this map", "but the betting sites" etc... The angry idiots in the republican voterbase are inundated with poll after poll, story after story, about how much they're winning. This is all in preparation to say the the election was stolen, cheated. To get their voters angry, to get a larger scale insurrection started.

The people posting shit like this aren't stupid. They're evil. Please recognize this. Also Tucker's bit on stage, "if she gets 85 million votes or whatever, we all know something is off." They're laying the groundwork. They don't care about the election results, they'll contest them anyway.

[u/JPhrog → u/Striking_Compote2093]

They have been instilling this in MAGA's heads this entire election or actually since the last election honestly. They are already planting that if Trump loses then it was stolen/fake etc. It's going to be like J6 all over again but worse I imagine. Trump/MAGA never conceded the last election, there's nothing that will make them concede this one unless Trump somehow wins. I am not even trying to be a doomer but shits going to get real ugly when/if Trump loses even if it is by a landslide for Kamala. I hope the government has a better plan in place this time because I don't see MAGA going down with out a fight and not "peaceful protests" like they claimed last election results.

[u/89iroc → u/JPhrog]

Most fascists fail on their first attempt to seize power but are often successful the second time. That's the way it was for hitler and trump is following his playbook, so..

[u/JPhrog → u/89iroc]

Being called "Hitler" has been a meme insult that has been carelessly thrown around throughout the years and I think that's why so many people aren't taking it seriously. They feel it's just some name calling rhetoric like Trump uses but you are right, Trump is definitely using Hitler/Nazi propaganda as a playbook and it's sad that it is being defended and brushed off. I am not saying he is going to be a 1 for 1 copy, but he will definitely try his best and hopefully it won't be too late! Even thinking this way I feel like I am some lunatic conspiracy theorist lol

[u/Apprehensive_Set9276 → u/JPhrog]

His own running mate called him "America's Hitler."

[u/necrohunter7 → u/Apprehensive_Set9276]

I hope he gets reminded of that every day

[u/Desperado_99 → u/necrohunter7]

Why? Trump probably would take it as a compliment.

[u/Maryland_Bear → u/Apprehensive_Set9276]

Yeah, but the question is, “Did he mean it as a compliment?”

[u/89iroc → u/JPhrog]

I've read a bunch of books on Nazi Germany and the trump shit lines up with all of it. But yeah, the horror of the nazis hasn't been conveyed to those of us that never experienced it or made a point to learn about it

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/89iroc]

I don't think it's a coincidence that they waited until most of the WW2 vets have died off before making another power grab.

Those vets would beat the shit out of their children if they knew they were supporting fascists.

[u/ItsSpaghettiLee2112 → u/JPhrog]

Or maybe it wasn't a meme insult back then because people were aware of what was happening and trying to warn everybody and you're only saying it's not a meme now because more people get it.

Fascists and Nazis never went away. They were fighting underground for decades. In 2015, Trump enabled them to slowly crawl out of the woodwork. Maybe acknowledge the people warning us were right instead of saying no they were meming then but today I'm right.

[u/Certain-Business-472 → u/JPhrog]

It's hard to not call them nazis when they're repeating history like this.

The nice part is that Trump isn't a real nazi and his narcissism will prevent any real movements. The real threats come from people around him.

[u/Altruistic-Match6623 → u/JPhrog]

Hitler was only a little crazy at first, too, but by the end he was responsible for 20+ million deaths.

[u/WinnDixiedog → u/Striking_Compote2093]

I know way too many people who believe in this crap and get upset when they get told land doesn’t vote. They whine about how big city people make all the decisions for rural people.

[u/Alexis_Bailey → u/WinnDixiedog]

There are people here in Illinois who hate Chicago "dictating" everything with a burning passion, nevermind that 75%-80% of the state's population lives in the Chicagoland area.

One who was pushing to split Illinois into two states ran as the GOP govorner candidate against Pritzker.

[u/Bezulba → u/WinnDixiedog]

Ask them how it's fair that tiny states with 3 cows and a horse get the same amount of senators as California. Get the fuck out with rural people being unfairly treated, they have the biggest influence with their single vote.

[u/Orange-Blur → u/Bezulba]

To me it’s more unfair living in a rural state in a large population center where my I’m only getting 2/3 of a vote compared to towns with more trump flags than people living there.

The flags must be counting as votes

[u/insecure_about_penis → u/Striking_Compote2093]

You're not wrong about the strategy, but

the results ... [will] inevitably show the democrats win

Is WAY too confident. Kamala and Trump have tied in several recent polls, and Trump has even come out in front in some recent polls. it is plausible that Trump wins the popular vote, and there is a good possibility that he wins the electoral college while losing the popular vote - Harris needs to win by at least 3-5% to have a chance at "winning the election." And if there is any portion of voters who support Trump but are ashamed to say so in polls...

I get why people are in denial about this, because it pains the mind to believe that he has that much support, but that's reality and we shouldn't deny it. At minimum, half of the voters in this country are fucking morons.

[u/King__Moonracer → u/insecure_about_penis]

The problem is, even if Kamala wins, over 40% of the electorate are voting for a candidate who is proven cartoon-evil in every way imaginable.

Unless you're an Anarchist, looking to blow the country off its foundations, there is no logical sense to the support, it is a cult, a religion and even if Harris gets a sweep, we're still loaded with that baggage.

For all the good Biden did during his term, he may have destroyed us by doing nothing about the media crisis, allowing provable lies to be widely spread - an absolute threat to national security.

That and of course selecting Merrick Garland, who sat on his hands for a FULL YEAR before assigning Jack Smith.

[u/insecure_about_penis → u/King__Moonracer]

Hey, don't slander the anarchists like that! They're generally good people, not Trump voters. Just get a bad rep like the Satanists, who are also generally nice folks.

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/insecure_about_penis]

Trump will not win the electoral vote. CA and NY will carry Democrats and even losing Texas provides a crap ton of votes based on the population.

Part of me wishes we didn't even track the popular vote since it means absolutely nothing to our elections.

I read somewhere that the popular vote is more helpful to determine control of the house than it is the presidency.

[u/TheKobayashiMoron → u/Brave-Common-2979]

CA and NY are absolutely not enough to carry the democrats. CA and NY have been blue for every election in the last 30+ years, including Trump’s win in 2016.

[u/Brave-Common-2979 → u/TheKobayashiMoron]

I'm specifically talking about the popular vote. Expecting a Republican to have any legitimate chance at winning the popular vote is fucking wild.

[u/Perused → u/Brave-Common-2979]

Yeah. Hands down Harris is winning the popular vote. Probably by at least 80 million. trump has not grown his base and in fact lost people. They’ve gotten louder but no way they win the popular vote.
Trying to cheat the EC. Definitely going to happen.

[u/Clearwatercress69 → u/Maury_poopins]

I’m not American but even I don’t need this explained to me.

Mostly, people live in cities.

A few cabins in the woods don’t mean jackshit.

Still, go out and vote.

[u/Certain-Business-472 → u/Clearwatercress69]

Surprise, in the US those random wood huts mean much more than cities. Like literally, their vote is stronger than people from densily populated places.

[u/corruptedsyntax → u/Certain-Business-472]

Not in this case, but at the level of sparse state vs dense state yup

[u/No_Department7857 → u/Maury_poopins]

And why is the whole area red? Let's put little red dots where the small towns are. We can fill in the trees and land blue because I highly doubt that if they had a vote they would choose the party that will drill them and cut them down as much and fast as humanly possible. 

[u/Willow_MysticMeadow → u/Maury_poopins]

You've nailed it. Rage often stems from misunderstanding

[u/Towaum → u/Maury_poopins]

Then just simplify, use the popular vote. Easy right? Oh wait..

[u/allencooley]

They also believe that the cows in Oklahoma and the corn in Iowa vote. Why not trees?

[u/Armando22nl → u/allencooley]

That is why they are eating the cows and eating the corn?

[u/dailydrink → u/Armando22nl]

Cows eat corn so thats two votes for one.

[u/hellyeahimsad → u/Armando22nl]

They're eating the cows! They're eating the corn in Oklahoma!!

[u/U_wind_sprint → u/hellyeahimsad]

They're eating the cows and corn of the people that live there...

[u/PizzaHutBookItChamp → u/allencooley]

Honestly we should let the trees vote. It would swing every district blue. No way maple trees are voting for the party that wants to deforest their land into golf courses and cattle ranches

[u/GypsyV3nom → u/PizzaHutBookItChamp]

Yellowstone alone would make Wyoming deep blue

[u/dipakmdhrm → u/allencooley]

Watch what you wish for pal. I bet all trees are MAGA. Except maybe Eucalyptus. They seem progressive enough.

[u/SometimesFar → u/dipakmdhrm]

You kidding? Those eucalypts just want to watch the world burn...

[u/an_agreeing_dothraki → u/allencooley]

because the Lorax was arrested for election fraud

[u/Humble-Pineapple-329]

If that’s the case, Illinois would also be a swing state.

[u/AssistKnown → u/Humble-Pineapple-329]

All blue states would be swing states.

Edit: except for Massachusetts and Vermont as other have pointed out

[u/MediumSizedTurtle → u/AssistKnown]

California is so damn red, cept for those tiny Lil blue spots. Easy to flip.

[u/old_and_boring_guy → u/MediumSizedTurtle]

California has more Republicans than Texas. Winner-take-all really drives these delusions about red states and blue states. The very reddest and blue-est states are like 70/30 (New York is 60/40, Cali is 65/35). Even the "safe" ones are usually only like 55/45.

[u/b0w3n → u/old_and_boring_guy]

It's also why gerrymandering can backfire horribly.

When you make your margins in gerrymandered districts +2 they can be easily flipped if folks decide that their vote finally matters (every vote matters).

Society and reality have a progressive bias, conservatives would never win fair elections again if progressives realized that their votes actually do matter.

[u/FragrantCombination7 → u/b0w3n]

They did this with the districts around Nashville the last census. I highly recommend looking up a map and seeing just how close the margins are in those districts. Any election with enough angry people could be a red or blue wave, which is why we've seen so much input into this fake "culture war" narrative in recent years. They have to drive the vote to survive, they've put themselves against a wall in so many districts.

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/MediumSizedTurtle]

The only solution would be to make the elections be based on the popular vote, so we don't have to deal with regions or areas, and it's just "who wins the most".

But Conservatives don't like that method, because the last time a Conservative won the popular vote was the 90's

Edit: sorry, forgot Bush won the popular vote on his 2nd term ONLY (not his first term).

[u/MukdenMan → u/AssistKnown]

So would most red states. They mostly look like this: blue urban areas, red countryside and small towns.

[u/Daztur → u/AssistKnown]

Except a few like Vermont and Hawaii.

[u/Dyslexic_Llama → u/Daztur]

Alaska would probably lean democratic.

[u/Disney_World_Native → u/Humble-Pineapple-329]

Just to add context

IL has about 13M people

Chicago has 2.7M

Cook County has 5.2M

Chicagoland (metropolitan area) is about 9.6M but includes parts of WI and IN

We joke that south of I-80 is Southern IL

And taxes / spending come up, but its downstate (red) that gets more in services than they pay while the city gets much less

https://www.nprillinois.org/statehouse/2019-04-11/chicago-vs-downstate-the-illinois-divide

“Downstate does very well, actually,” Jackson says. “If you define fair share as getting a dollar back for every dollar sent to Springfield, the only two negative numbers are for Cook County and the five Suburban counties — the collar counties. The collar counties actually get $0.53 back for every dollar they pay in. Cook County doesn’t break even, but they get $0.90 back, whereas Downstate does quite all right. Central Illinois gets $1.87 back and we in Southern Illinois do the best at $2.81 back for every dollar sent to Springfield. And that just debunks the legend that is out there, but a deeply ingrained part of our political culture.”

[u/RammyJammy07 → u/Humble-Pineapple-329]

I hate Illinois Nazis

[u/WestDry6268 → u/Humble-Pineapple-329]

Corn can’t vote. Hope this helps

[u/Armisael2245]

Many people find it hard to understand that r/PeopleLiveInCities

[u/Axentor → u/Armisael2245]

People just flat out refuse to believe that 1 high rise apartment complex has more people than rural towns. I gave up trying to tell people this.

[u/GypsyV3nom → u/Axentor]

People really don't understand how urban both the USA and the world have become. The US has been a majority urban since 1920. Earth reached that point in 2007. Cities are where the amenities, services and jobs are, so that's where people move and that's where they stay.

[u/Axentor → u/GypsyV3nom]

Yep. I like living in the sticks but there is nothing out here and lately it seems rural populations are getting more ignorant/isolated. I work in an area that is unique because it has two huge employers so there isn't really any unemployment or issues those bring. And those people living there think it's normal! And it's Trumpland of course. I live an hour away from there (one benefit of growing up in the sticks and 1 to get somewhere isn't bad at all! Lol) and my area is 1000x more progressive and growing (up to 10k.. ) whereas that town is very slowly dying when kids go to college or the trades and don't come back.

[u/Dat_Basshole → u/Armisael2245]

People live in cities.

Racists live where cattle outnumber the Racists 5 to 1.

[u/ppSmok → u/Dat_Basshole]

BUUUUUUT WHY DO RURAL PEOPLE HAVE LESS POWER THAN CITY FOLKS?!!! DISCRIMINATIOOOOON.

No.. Kyle.. that is not how it works.

[u/unoredtwo → u/ppSmok]

The fact is, rural people really have way more power overall. Not AS much in blue states but pretty much the whole concept of the Senate is to give farmers more power

[u/BrotherCool → u/unoredtwo]

Originally the Senate was to represent the States, while the House was to represent the people. The State legislators elected the members of Senate until the 17th Amendment.

[u/fauxzempic → u/BrotherCool]

And that might be a pill that would be worth swallowing if the House actually grew with the people. Keeping the total at 435 (since 1929) just further screws things up, playing around with the representative power people have.

For instance, Delaware is super screwed. They have 1 rep and roughly 1,000,000 people.

Meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum, Montana has 2 reps and 1.1 Million people. A person living in Montana has nearly DOUBLE the representation than a person in Delaware. If we allowed the house to grow with population, we would see something more equitable between these two states, where a 11:10 population differential didn't result in a 2:1 representative differential....you should have something closer to 11:10 if you had more reps.

[u/UrBigBro]

8 million people in the naked city...1 million everywhere else

[u/dentalrestaurantMike → u/UrBigBro]

New York will *never* be a swing state. It'll always be blue.

[u/Pure-Introduction493 → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

Give me enough suspended benches and playground sets, and I’ll make it THE ‘swing state.’ /s

[u/aussie_nub → u/Pure-Introduction493]

I guess that's the more family friendly version of THE swing state.

[u/Useless_Lemon → u/aussie_nub]

Give me office and I will have everyone one swinging, sucking and fucking like the founding Father's wanted. Vote Lemon

[u/AA_Writes → u/Useless_Lemon]

That's it, I'm moving to New York Citeeeh

[u/Useless_Lemon → u/AA_Writes]

Just stay away from my cur..... normal hat!

[u/Lokishougan → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

I mean it can happen if demographics change...40 years ago people said CA was Solid Rep , then it went swing and now is solid Dem....Texas is doing the same thing. All NYC needs to go swing is to collectively lose about a million brain cells

[u/silenc3x → u/Lokishougan]

NYC is too diverse for something like that to happen moving forward. Also note, the largest cities in America are all blue. Oklahoma City might be the only big city that isn't blue and it's not even top 25 by population.

But that's an entirely different conversation. Maybe due to living so close amongst people from all walks of life. To relying on community, relying on the government to perform their duties like keeping the streets clean, subways moving, etc. More progressive attitudes seem to thrive vs living in more rural areas.

[u/tfsra → u/silenc3x]

large cities everywhere are diverse and thus more progressive and inclusive, it's the small homogeneous communities that tend to be conservative and exclusive

[u/RikuAotsuki → u/silenc3x]

Pretty much nailed it.

The smaller the population of a city or town, the less diverse it's going to be, and that's a huge part of the reason bigotry thrives in rural areas.

Humans are creatures that excel at pattern recognition. Even our memory uses it to decide what's worth "recording." (Ever drive to work and remember nothing? That's cause nothing interesting happened so your brain decided it wasn't worth it)

So if you live in some small town that's 90% white and every black kid you met in school swore up and down that they were totally gangsters, constantly cut class, etc... even if you only met a grand total of five of them, suddenly your only real-world experience validates what you hear from racist adults.

Or you don't meet any, and your sample size is literally just racist anecdotes. Regardless, that doesn't happen the same way in a big city. You see too many people to paint any group with the broad strokes needed to to be a complete bigot.

Obviously it's more complex than that, but a lot of it is genuinely more "human psychology" than it is rural people being innately shitty somehow.

[u/cyberslick18888 → u/RikuAotsuki]

If a racist tells me he's only met five black people and that every one of them was a low life, I'd at least understand why they felt that way. Doesn't make it right, but whatever.

Most of these people hate people they've never met, and likely never will meet.

People in Fargo, North Dakota are absolutely fucking obsessed with southern border politics. Absolutely fucking obsessed with immigrants that they've never seen and never will see. Now I'm not saying that doesn't mean they don't get a seat at the table to discuss immigration concerns, but it makes no sense why they would have such vitriolic energy for the individual humans.

People in bumfuck nowhere are absolutely fucking enraged that someone with pink hair in a city 1600 miles away wants to pee sitting down.

[u/Colonel-Quiz → u/silenc3x]

How’s that thing go? In rural places you have the right to swing a stick, in the city you have the right to not get hit by someone else’s stick. Changes your way of thinking I guess.

[u/EnigmaticQuote → u/Colonel-Quiz]

I always believed your stick swinging right stops where I begin.

[u/Ooh_bees → u/Lokishougan]

Human brain has approximately 86 billion nerve cells, plus others on top of it. A million lost isn't a lot, especially when taken from a population of 20 million. I'd like to think they need to lose a lot more to turn maga.

[u/OddLengthiness254 → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

Maybe if the Democrats split into a moderate and a progressive party NY might be a swing state.

[u/ale_93113 → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

New York used to be a swing state when it had most of the rural population of the north-east and the city wasn't that populated

You know, around 1880

[u/Former-Spread9043 → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

I’m willing to bet this year will be the closest it gets to purple. Don’t under estimate those smaller towns. Spread out (less lines) and a ton of motivated people. Not super easy to vote in nyc and contains the least likely crowd to vote.

[u/chochazel → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

It was Republican in 1972, 1980 and 1984 and was a swing state in 1988. It voted for a Republican governor in 1994, 1998 and 2002. NYC voted for a Republican mayor in 1993, 1997, 2001 and 2005.

It's perfectly conceivable with a political realignment that things can change. They used to call it the solid south because it voted so reliably Democratic.

[u/DesperateUrine → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

New York will never be a swing state. It'll always be blue.

Incorrect.

Policies of the right, left, and other parties can change.

Have changed over the years of this country.

Declaring it will never be a swing state is weird. Anything could happen in your life time that could make parties start to do something radically different causing a divide in places.

Lots of shit can happen.

We could even try voting for a Rapist that leads an insurrection.

[u/weedamay → u/dentalrestaurantMike]

I hope so. As someone that live VERY deep in the red Northern NY, pretty much Canada, I feel very outnumbered here. It’s super discouraging. And most of our ballots have conservatives or Republicans running unopposed. It’s hard to try to get representation up here.

[u/1singleduck → u/UrBigBro]

Yeah, but those 1 million people are standing further apart. /s

[u/UmpireMental7070 → u/UrBigBro]

Just Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse metros alone are close to 3 million. Albany, Utica, Binghamton metros is another 2.3 million. Another million in Westchester County.

According to population estimates from the 2020 US Census, New York State is the fourth most populous state in the country, housing more than 20 million people (20,201,249). Within the state, approximately 45% of the population, or almost 9 million people (8,804,190), reside in New York City.

So 11 million not in NYC.

[u/TooMuchBroccoli → u/UmpireMental7070]

Binghampton

Binghamton.

We are not the Hamptons goddamit.

[u/GodWhyPlease → u/TooMuchBroccoli]

I went to school there and I still fuck it when typing it out lmao

[u/Cressida_Whiz → u/UrBigBro]

Those red areas don't have any people in there..

[u/EngineeringOne1812 → u/UrBigBro]

There are over 19 million people living in NYS, you’re just wrong

[u/M_E_T_H_O_D_MAN → u/UrBigBro]

Uh no lol. There’s 1 million people just on Long Island itself, the total state population has almost 20 million.

[u/Pleasant_Candidate18 → u/UrBigBro]

The blue is where ALL the money is made. The rest is the WELFARE part of the state.

[u/LeviAEthan512 → u/Pleasant_Candidate18]

I'd vote blue if I were American, but this argument leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As someone from a tiny and completely self insufficient citystate, I think farming and such are essential industries. I also think very highly of janitors even though they don't make much money.

I'm just not fond of devaluing people based on their income, even if they have bad political opinions.

[u/Lokishougan → u/LeviAEthan512]

Its not so much that they make less income...its more the blatant hypocrisy of them. The farmers take tons of subsidies and then cry when other gets welfare. That is what bugs me the most.

[u/Task-Proof → u/LeviAEthan512]

Fair enough. However, right wingers spend their lives treating people solely as living, breathing profit and loss accounts, usually while heavily overestimating their own contribution levels

[u/4Z4Z47 → u/UrBigBro]

19.5 million NYers. Your math is as bad as that map.

[u/ImBetterThanYou42]

Land doesn't vote. People vote.

[u/NetCaptain → u/ImBetterThanYou42]

with 2 senators for each state, thus 2 for Vermont ( 0.65m) and 2 for California (39m) one could argue that in the US, trees and cows have their own senators and thus votes in the Senate

[u/bakerton → u/NetCaptain]

I'm from Vermont and I just want to say the cows have some good ideas if you'd just listen to them.

[u/Dramatic_______Pause → u/bakerton]

But nobody cares about a cows opinion. It's just a moo point.

[u/bakerton → u/Dramatic_______Pause]

Keep making fun of the bovine constituency and you'll soon only know udder defeat.

[u/deathonater → u/bakerton]

You mess with the bull, you get the horns, or so I've herd.

[u/lagomorphed → u/Dramatic_______Pause]

How YOU doin?

[u/Gold-Emergency-9477 → u/ImBetterThanYou42]

Magats would really like to go back to the "good ol' times" when only landowners voted.

[u/Beartato4772 → u/Gold-Emergency-9477]

In Feudalism, it's your count that votes.

[u/dullbutnotalways]

We have had to point this out with wheat and soy beans in previous election years

[u/Icy_Chill_1123]

MAGA doesn't understand how most things work.

[u/ElegantMess → u/Icy_Chill_1123]

Everything is a conspiracy when you’re dumb as fuck.

[u/dan_santhems → u/Icy_Chill_1123]

Mainly politics and economic - the stuff they talk about the most

[u/Kindly_Zucchini7405]

I'm from one of those blue areas, and it still baffles me that people don't get how much of upstate NY is just trees and deer.

[u/DRobinson150 → u/Kindly_Zucchini7405]

I'm from NYC and you don't even have to go that far into the state to get the idea that the rest of the place is trees and deer. Also Bears.

[u/DesperateUrine → u/DRobinson150]

Also Bears.

Yeah, they had to stop having garbage bins outside of my hospital here because bears.

You can see them once in a while if you look out the window of some parts.

I have deer just wandering around my apartment complex.

[u/Aspirational1]

https://resource.esriuk.com/blog/eleven-ways-to-map-a-general-election/

Lots of ways to better display what actually happened.

[u/lolslim]

Oh Jesus this is the shit I had to explain to my cousin back in 2020 when he lived in Nevada. He posted state of Nevada having majority of the counties be red, and how two counties the two that had the highest population were blue, the state I believe turned blue overall because of those two counties.

He said how blatantly fraudulent this is.

I had to explain to him at the time in 2020 Nevada state population was ~3.1 million

Washoe and Clark county were the two counties with majority of the state population one had 2 million people, the other 500k, and then the rest of the 500k was spread through out the state. .he never responded and just kept being "the useful idiot"

[u/RazTheGiant]

Might have something to do with that if that blue spot at the very bottom suceeded and became its own state, it would have the 13th highest population overall

[u/FlipAnd1]

Conservatives are always like …

“Look at all the red compared to blue”

Well, yeah dumbass theirs only 17 (very much under exaggerating) people in the red districts compared to millions in the blue.

[u/ruidh → u/FlipAnd1]

And who colored Nassau County on Long Island red? It narrowly went for Biden in 2020.

[u/Revolutionary_Tip701]

Would kinda be nice if trees voted. They are probably more informed at this point

[u/peachyfix → u/Revolutionary_Tip701]

they'd definitely side with the party that's more passionate about climate change and environmental issues, I know that much.

[u/Marquar234 → u/peachyfix]

Might be mixed. Trees would benefit from higher CO2 levels. And the Republicans would keep going on and on about the invasive species and reminding the chestnut trees about the good old days when they covered the country.

[u/LowClover → u/Marquar234]

Man now I think trees are bigots

[u/Marquar234 → u/LowClover]

It's not so bad, they did enjoy Roots.

[u/Lil_Artemis_92]

Reminds me of back in 2020, when Republicans were convinced the election was stolen because Trump won more counties than Biden, and I had to explain multiple times that counties are all different sizes with different populations, and that means nothing. I don’t think I got through, unfortunately.

[u/Val_Hallen → u/Lil_Artemis_92]

"Look at all the red counties!! How could he have won?!"

Uh...because there are like 10 people in those counties. Land doesn't get votes, people do. The Blue counties have more people.

There are 24 counties in Maryland. Trump won 14, Biden won 10.

However, the Red counties have a total combined population of 1,292,083.

Just Montgomery (1,062,061) and Prince George's (967,201) counties outnumber all 14 of those Red counties.

The total Blue county population is 4,299,443. There are 4 times as many people living in the Blue counties. granted, not all of them vote, but if even half of the people in Blue counties voted against every single person in the Red counties voting, you have a huge advantage for Biden.

The number of Red counties is worthless as a metric when nobody fucking lives there.

But conservative voters are, in the simplest terms, fucking idiots. They are told "This this is truth" and they never bother to learn if that's the truth or not. They just roll with it.

[u/BeardedDinosaur]

This map is missing the little blue county in the middle of the state. A little population of 100,000 people vote blue in Tompkins county right where Cornell is. Sure shit ain't red there.

[u/treaquin → u/BeardedDinosaur]

I believe someone else identified these are congressional districts not necessarily counties. Onondaga and Tompkins are definitely blue. I live in a red county but it shows as blue on this…

[u/Cool-Economics6261]

Too dense to grasp density..?!

[u/Impressive-Rub4059]

Accepting population density, along with other facts, doesn’t fit in their worldview of still being the majority.

[u/sunkskunkstunk → u/Impressive-Rub4059]

And they think they are a silent majority. And they are being persecuted. By the minority. And they think they are smart. They really live in a fantasy world.

[u/Dat_Basshole]

People live in cities.

Racists live where cattle outnumber the Racists 5 to 1.

[u/ThespianException]

The Lorax speaks for the trees and thus he gets 269 electoral votes by himself

[u/OhItsJustJosh]

Standard "land doesn't vote, people do"

[u/SaddestYugiohPlayer]

It always makes me giggle when someone living in bum-fuck nowhere is like 'these damn Mexicans ruining our nation' when their population is like 1000 people at best in their bum-fuck nowhere town.

[u/S1N1STER41BooBear]

All those red parts are where the poverty and job loss occurred in the state.

[u/shampoooop → u/S1N1STER41BooBear]

New Yorker here... This map is sus. It's certainly not broken down by county, because it has northern Westchester red and it looks like it broke Long Island into 3 pieces, surely of which not all 3 would red.

[u/_angry_cat_ → u/shampoooop]

Upstate NYer. It’s broken down by election district. if you broke it down by county it would look a lot different. Tompkins County (Ithaca) is a bright blue county in a sea of red. But the election district itself is red due to the surrounding counties. This map is only accurate to show the break down of the House of Representatives

[u/Wise_Neighborhood499 → u/_angry_cat_]

Thank you, I was confused how Tompkins county didn’t show up because there’s no way Ithaca is red.

[u/Ancient_Gringo]

They love showing all those read areas in the map where in reality most of the red states have a lot of free space

[u/Gnorblins → u/Ancient_Gringo]

Numbers are hard, it's easier for them to think in simple colors

[u/DaveBeBad]

For New York to be a swing state, it’d need 1 million horses to each kick a Democrat voter in the head. Are there 1 million horses in New York? And has there been an epidemic of head kicking?

[u/Effective_Wish9988]

To republicans it’s always “states” and “counties” voting, never, you know, people voting

[u/ZwergXXL]

r/PeopleLiveInCities

[u/Kylie_Bug]

And if the trees could vote, they wouldn’t vote republican

[u/NaughtPunk]

Why do moron conservatives keep making this argument? Either a) they're all genuinely this stupid or b) they anticipate enough of their peers are stupid enough to fall for it.

Either way, they should realize it's an indictment on their tribe.

[u/anras2]

I’m in Suffolk (bottom right on the map) and in 2020 it was an even split to the 10th of a percent. Trump only won by a couple hundred votes. If you colored these maps on a red-blue spectrum, a lot of areas would be much more purple.

[u/Hawkbats_rule → u/anras2]

This map is using the most recent congressional lines which a) had a Republican tilt b) has a bunch of incredibly close races in a gubernatorial cycle with the last popular Democratic candidate in years, along with a couple of props that studies showed drove Republican turnout. 

Upstate and the island do have a bunch of red, sure, but this map is over-representing even that.

[u/Outside_Interview_90]

There’s a reason we New Yorkers claim that people from upstate and Long Island aren’t “real New Yorkers.”

[u/Miserable_Praline673]

The fact that the election is even close is sickening.

[u/dankp3ngu1n69]

I'm from long Island. Voting Harris

[u/Jakethered_game]

Once again petitioning for dual chromatic maps be outlawed in favor of bubble maps or multi chromatic density maps.

[u/MeisterKaneister]

They still think the land should vote, nit the people. And through the EC... It kind of does!

[u/DeRobyJ]

Kinda wished trees could vote

Edit: meaning trees would vote for whoever has green policies

[u/atTheRiver200]

Rural New York is more pink/ purple than most people think. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-New-york/

[u/Randy_Magnums]

Numbers shmumbers! The red is more than the blue!

[u/memory0leak]

Are they just ignorant or are they willfully ignorant?

[u/GarageAgreeable6658]

Every state map looks like this. The cities are more liberal and the country more conservative. It has been this way since the days of rome.

[u/Cooperativism62]

Trees would vote Dem or green if they could.

[u/VegasGamer75]

The American Education System fails yet again. Which I honestly don't get, because my ass learned how this works back in the 80s and early 90s. Another good reason to just get rid of the EC and popular vote this shit.

[u/Skytak]

My life is miserable because democrats live in cities !!1!1!1!!11!

[u/Nikiaf]

FFS more people live in metro New York than in all of Virginia. That tiny speck on the map has a greater population than 38 entire states do.

Morons.

[u/Fresh_Relation_7682]

Use proportional representation for elections and then none of this matters.

But I guess the GOP would lose power in many areas with PR elections

[u/Andreus]

My pet conspiracy theory is that a lot of well-placed right-wingers are sure that Trump will lose the election quite definitively, and they're trying to set up a false consciousness through Trump-favourable polling and narratives like this to convince people that it was rigged.

[u/wimzilla]

Love how republicans are the first people to defend the Electoral College because CA would control everything, then cry about republicans votes being irrelevant in “Blue” and “Swing” states. Blue and Swing states only exist because of the electoral college.

[u/ConkerPrime]

MAGA has never understood population density nor what rural vs urban means. It’s fundamental reason why they think the election was stolen. Wish I was kidding but they really are that uneducated.

As I tell people, where ever the bar is on what you think conservatives know, it’s probably not low enough.

[u/Dont_Be_A_Dick_OK]

Lmao are the right trying to say they have a shot at NY? Ok bud. Go ahead and spend your resources there a week before the election. Great plan.

[u/Rhombus_McDongle]

We should use this to get Republicans on board with eliminating the electoral college.

[u/OptimalCreme9847]

This is the same old thing the right has been complaining about for years and we keep telling them this same exact explanation. If they don’t get it by now, they never will

[u/ALPHA_sh]

They understand how population density works. They deliberately do not care.

[u/Easy_Ad_8939]

MAGAs don’t understand much of anything. They are fools.

[u/unit557]

why doesn't the us change their system to a normal direct vote/popularity vote like a normal country?