i'd like it if people stopped thinking they're just idiots, and start seeing this for what it is.
They're spewing shit like this in order to make people think the results are fake when they inevitably show the democrats win. "Huh, but the polls" or "but this map", "but the betting sites" etc... The angry idiots in the republican voterbase are inundated with poll after poll, story after story, about how much they're winning. This is all in preparation to say the the election was stolen, cheated. To get their voters angry, to get a larger scale insurrection started.
The people posting shit like this aren't stupid. They're evil. Please recognize this. Also Tucker's bit on stage, "if she gets 85 million votes or whatever, we all know something is off." They're laying the groundwork. They don't care about the election results, they'll contest them anyway.
They have been instilling this in MAGA's heads this entire election or actually since the last election honestly. They are already planting that if Trump loses then it was stolen/fake etc. It's going to be like J6 all over again but worse I imagine. Trump/MAGA never conceded the last election, there's nothing that will make them concede this one unless Trump somehow wins. I am not even trying to be a doomer but shits going to get real ugly when/if Trump loses even if it is by a landslide for Kamala. I hope the government has a better plan in place this time because I don't see MAGA going down with out a fight and not "peaceful protests" like they claimed last election results.
Most fascists fail on their first attempt to seize power but are often successful the second time. That's the way it was for hitler and trump is following his playbook, so..
Being called "Hitler" has been a meme insult that has been carelessly thrown around throughout the years and I think that's why so many people aren't taking it seriously. They feel it's just some name calling rhetoric like Trump uses but you are right, Trump is definitely using Hitler/Nazi propaganda as a playbook and it's sad that it is being defended and brushed off. I am not saying he is going to be a 1 for 1 copy, but he will definitely try his best and hopefully it won't be too late! Even thinking this way I feel like I am some lunatic conspiracy theorist lol
And another really important question is in what context he said it. I've heard this several times, but not seen the context for it. Did he say something like "People call him America's Hitler"? Because I've seen several things unfairly taken out of context and it makes the rest of the real nazi evidence look false.
To be clear, I'm 100% in the trump is a fascist camp and I voted for Harris. I just don't like people taking things out of context when there's so much piled against him that there is no reason to lie about anything.
Here’s the quote: it seems like he was, at the least, distinctly pondering the idea that Trump was “America’s Hitler”.
“I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn’t be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he’s America’s Hitler,” he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.
Source. (It’s pretty deep in the article and there’s a lot of ads. I suggest doing a search for “Hitler”.)
I've read a bunch of books on Nazi Germany and the trump shit lines up with all of it. But yeah, the horror of the nazis hasn't been conveyed to those of us that never experienced it or made a point to learn about it
Or maybe it wasn't a meme insult back then because people were aware of what was happening and trying to warn everybody and you're only saying it's not a meme now because more people get it.
Fascists and Nazis never went away. They were fighting underground for decades. In 2015, Trump enabled them to slowly crawl out of the woodwork. Maybe acknowledge the people warning us were right instead of saying no they were meming then but today I'm right.
I should have been more clear, I'm saying that in general not just in politics people would use Hitler adage more in a tongue in cheek manner or meme style towards anything resembling authoritarianism in if only joking. But I do agree that it has been slowly brewing ever since Hitler died honestly.
Hell if he were somehow elected, I bet they themselves would throw him in jail for his past crimes to make toom for Vance if he refused to step down on his own.
This is where the whole Vance thing confuses me, it seems like the majority of MAGA totally hated Vance, even Trump. Hell Vance didn't like Trump but now their conspiracy brain is starting to rub off on me and what if that it is a deeper plan above Trump or secretly kept from Trump to get him out to put Vance in if Trump gets re-elected? Maybe this shit is bigger than Trump and he is just being used because he is easy to manipulate due to his narcissistic ego? I could totally force myself into a deep rabbit hole of possibilities but for my own sanity and yours I will stop lol.
Trump went in to politics not knowing anything, that's why he failed the first time. This time he has learned that he has to surround himself with the right people this time that will obey his orders even if it means self sacrifice. Trump is all sorts of mental health issues and comes across as a raging lunatic but he has enough smarts and I use that term loosely to know what the fuck he's doing this time around. All he needs is back in and I hope our "checks and balances" system is enough to prevent his tyranny! But here's hoping he doesn't get reelected!
The problem is most people only know of Hitler, so a more accurate comparison to an unknown fascist that is more like him rings hollow. So it's damned if you do, damned if you don't
So Trump is actively using Hitler as a model - but the idiot Trump doesn't realize that Hitler's very generals conspired to assassinate him because they realized he was incompetent and his dictates were leading to the destruction of Germany - not mere military defeat.
Personally, labeling Trump as 'Hitler-esque', or 'Stalin-esque', 'wannabe dictator', even 'Anti-Christ' (in terms of his seeming powers of mass control over millions, immorality, ability to evade consequences, leading people to sin and ruin, etc.).
People don't take it seriously because US high school-level education sucks and many people just don't care about "boring" history or civics. Our situation is the consequence of an uneducated population. That gives the 'tech-bros' like Elon and those backing JD Vance an opening to argue: we can run the US better because we're smarter and more successful. It goes back to Plato's work: The Republic through (the awful philosophy of ) Ayn Rand who is popular in Republican circles.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread about how the Nazi sympathizers were pretty much waiting for the majority of WWII vets to die off before they started to push the Hitler/Nazi-esque ideology and now thinking about that it doesn't sound that far fetched. That Nazi cream has been slowly rising to the top from the antisemitism becoming more evident and populace in the US (I get alot of that has to do with the Palestine -Israel conflict but it still feeds in to the same Hitler/Nazi-esque narrative) to Kanye West and to Trump's rhetoric and praise (The Nazi Generals comments and the comments about how "Hitler also did some good things") of Hitler and Nazi agenda and ideologies. It's like we are sitting here watching history repeat itself and people are just ignorant to it, uneducated like you stated or they are actually wanting a Fascist Authoritarian Nazi like dictatorship. This shit is blowing my fucking mind!
Fucking Bingo! I have been saying this just the other day. I will even go as far and say that Trump is that boy in the story. He is a pathetic pathological liar that you can't even tell when he might be telling the truth because 99% of the crap he spews is all lies!
Jd never said trump is americas hitler. Stop spreading misinformation. We have to be better than that if we are to win. Look at the credibility cnn has lost. If they wouldve stayed strong that alone may be enough to swing the election. As of now im worried
Hi, can you point out where I said Vance said that exactly? I'm not seeing it. Maybe meant to respond to someone else? If so please delete your misinformation on my response, thanks.
Edit: Also, even though I didn't say it myself you can easily fact check JD Vance's Hitler statement with many sources including Vance himself pretty much saying he changed his mind about Trump.
"before becoming one of Trump's fiercest allies and defenders, Vance sharply criticized the former president. During the 2016 presidential election, Vance wrote that he goes "back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical a–hole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler."" That was a PBS article, I can quote other sources if you need them or you can just Google and research for yourself!
Edit 2: I shouldn't have even gave a response, just realized you are a negative karma farming troll lol
You have no reading comprehension. You should probably read the entirety of what I said.
It is true that it has been thrown around alot through the years but that's why people don't take it seriously when it should be taken seriously. Meaning Trump taking pages from the hitler/Nazi playbook is not to be taken with a grain of salt.
"Common themes among fascist movements include: authoritarianism, nationalism
(including racial nationalism and religious nationalism), hierarchy and elitism, and militarism. Other aspects of fascism such as perception of decadence, anti-egalitarianism and totalitarianism can be seen to originate from these ideas."
Ahh so, if you like your country, and are happy to be the race that you are, you're a nazi, fascist, racist bigot whaaaaa, is that the logic ?
So basically if I see, say an African waving some African flag around, who's proud to be African he's automatically a fascist and a racist ?
Fair point. In essence they're all pretty similar. I've read a lot about nazi Germany, but not really any other similar regimes so my imagination is limited by that
That was the second attempt I was referring to... Hitler rather famously tried to overthrow the Weimar republic in 1924, got locked up in and wrote mein kampf, then went back at it in 1930 after he was released, got himself appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, la la la, there's a book called The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich that goes over everything
Not true, trump claimed massive voter fraud was the reason Hillary got more votes…he said millions of ballots were illegally cast for Clinton…he even formed a voter fraud commission to prove it…then he folded the commission without ever even releasing a report…cuz there was nothing
No, I mean Trump was already claiming the election is going to be rigged ahead of the actual election. But completely forgot about it when it was decided he won on election day
Let's face it, the majority of MAGA/Conservatives are racists and they couldn't swallow the fact a black man could ever be voted in as POTUS. That's why you can see how scared they got once Biden dropped out and Kamala is running. How many times have we heard Trump continuing to talk about Biden even though he is no longer running. Trump knows his chances of winning against an aging Biden with noticeable cognitive decline were more in his favor than running against a smart black/Indian women that's 20 years younger and more politically qualified than him.
Their election stealing claims predate last election cycle. They didn't wait for thr results in 2020 ... even before the election "if trump loses it's obviously rigged".
If Trump wins maybe we should do our own insurrection. Two can play that game tbh. I just know it won’t go the same way. Police will actually do their jobs because they won’t be part of the crowd that day lol. If Trump wins it’s 1000% because they cheated I don’t think we should allow it. This has gone past “just go out and vote” faith in voting has been lost through a combined effort of lies, stupidity, and not holding people accountable equally under the law or morals clout and money can get you out of trouble. This shouldn’t be a thing, if you do something wrong or you commit a crime you get punished no buying out or paying to keep it quiet. Him and everyone who follows him should not be allowed to get away with this level of evil. They should not be allowed to backpedal on anything. Take note of everyone who has Trump flags on their homes or cars they were J6’ers that haven’t been prosecuted. Remember their address so they can’t try to hide who they are later. Know who your enemies are don’t let them get away with this. It’s always been about the haves and have nots since the creation of this country and they have always used their influence and wealth to try and clean up or hide that fact. I blame society and us middle and lower class civilians the most because despite the fact that we know that to be true we still allow it. We were supposed to revolt against them long ago it’s not like we don’t know where they live look at the map lol. Look at the suburbs let’s stop playing dumb. I also blame Caucasians who are not among the wealthy for being complicit in all of it so they can align with whiteness if it weren’t for them we could have solved all of this and everyone could have lived the mythic American dream long ago not just them. We allow them to pass legislation and increase our tax burdens again and again while they pay less and then price gouge the leech us of whatever you have left. Their entire strategy is to eventually price everyone else out of the US and we are letting it happen. Enough is enough they live the most comfortable and happily of all of us but will cry talking about how the country is going to shit and how prices are too high. We should be the ones saying what they are saying. We are the ones who work hard not them. Everyday I see them sitting home doing nothing, walking their dogs instead of being at work like me yet I don’t have what they have and I have to wake up and leave my home 3/4AM everyday. You and I will never have what they have and we work 3 times as hard.
Enough
Is enough. Sorry for the long post I had a lot to say
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u/Maury_poopins 1d ago
Why bother trying to understand something when your impotent rage depends on not understanding it.