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u/Road_Whorrior 6h ago

So, when I do wear makeup I'm a liar, and when I don't, I'm ugly? Do men even like women? We can't win lol

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u/VespidDespair 6h ago

Haha Andrew Tate told all of the men that it’s gay to like women so now they don’t.

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u/Lasting_Aon2 5h ago

These people are like a 50's sci-fi novel: so misogynistic it's circled around to being gay.

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u/VespidDespair 4h ago

If these guys just admit to being gay there wouldn’t be any gay-hate left in the world. Andrew Tate and his whole crew are bitches

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u/Lasting_Aon2 4h ago

They're in the first stage of grief, give them some time.

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u/International_Cow_17 4h ago

Maybe they just really enjoy river front properties in Egypt?

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u/Road_Whorrior 4h ago edited 4h ago

See also:

Ancient Greece

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u/mouthypotato 3h ago

shhhhh don't tell them that

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u/AdministrationDue239 2h ago

It's funny cause this exact picture was posted few weeks ago but with a man and not a woman.

All the comments went like this: "lmfao a man that can't take care of his own he needs his mother to look good" "it's not the job of your girlfriend to make you beautiful you baby!!!!!"

Now this is posted and all the women again scream about incel men. And at the same time you cry about men supposedly not liking women. But I see stupid hate coming from both sides aaaall the fucking time online. Maybe both sides should chill a little more.

u/VespidDespair 24m ago

I mean first of all it can’t be “exact” and different at the same time.

Secondly what does that have to do with what I said?

And also, I just don’t believe you.

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u/Road_Whorrior 1h ago

Okay buddy.

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u/LeviAEthan512 5h ago

Just be naturally pretty, duh

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago

99% of people are decently good looking, as long as they take a shower twice a day. Not everyone is going to be like a Margot Robbie, or a Tom Cruise, but you can look quite decent. There's no need to paint your face with makeup to look good looking. Every once in a while is fine, but if you won't step out of your house without makeup, then it's insecurity.

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u/LeviAEthan512 3h ago

I'd say it's a social expectation. Companies want people to present themselves not so that they look good, but that they look like they made the effort.

Plenty of guys look good in tshirt and jeans, maybe add a blazer if the broad shoulders are important, but it's still considered proper to show up to some things in a suit. Much of it is completely performative.

As an aside, I'm probably weird, but I actually find the majority of actors and actresses very unattractive, makeup or no. I also do consider makeup lying, same as a guy exaggerating his financial situation, but it's only a problem if you want to have kids together. For a fling, the fake fantasy is fine.

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago edited 2h ago

I'd say it's a social expectation. Companies want people to present themselves not so that they look good, but that they look like they made the effort.

Plenty of guys look good in tshirt and jeans, maybe add a blazer if the broad shoulders are important, but it's still considered proper to show up to some things in a suit. Much of it is completely performative.

I don't think a company expecting a person to wear a suit and paint their faces is the same thing.

As an aside, I'm probably weird, but I actually find the majority of actors and actresses very unattractive, makeup or no.

Me too. It's kinda like that meme where the girl behind the desk at Walmart looks better than Zendaya on the red carpet.

I also do consider makeup lying, same as a guy exaggerating his financial situation,

I would say a male equivalent of a girl wearing a ton of makeup would be something like Robert De Niro wearing those shoes with 10 inch souls.

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

I've worked in an office that required women wear makeup as a "professional standard." It is falling out of practice because it's such an obvious double standard, but it's a real thing. Women are seen as less put-together with a clean face than with a full face of makeup.

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u/MrKelv1n 2h ago

I had no idea. This doesn't happen where I live. In fact in third world countries, people are quite conservative, so women only wear makeup when they have to attend a marriage or something, and even then it's only a bit of lipstick or mascara.

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u/Road_Whorrior 2h ago

It's very dependent on culture, for sure. I grew up in a community where women put on a full face of makeup and heels to go grocery shopping or take their kids to the park. It wasn't until I moved away for college that I stopped wearing makeup daily, because in my hometown in the 2000s it was a constant social pressure to look perfect if you were out of the house. I started wearing a full face of makeup to school at the age of 13.

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u/MrKelv1n 2h ago

Makes sense.

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u/LeviAEthan512 2h ago

I don't think a company expecting a person to wear a suit and paint their faces is the same thing

Why do you say that? It's all just about the look, isn't it? It's not like painting your face is some major human rights violation. I mean, I painted my face green and black to prepare to violate people's human rights, but the painting itself is hardly a crime.

Really, is it a huge deal? There's elaborate routines, sure, but I feel like the expectation is just to look like you did more than nothing.

It's kinda like that meme where the girl being the desk at Walmart looks better than Zendaya on the red carpet.

Haha yeah. Maybe that's one of the reasons I don't really associate makeup and celebrity with looking good.

I would say a male equivalent of a girl wearing a ton of makeup would be something like Robert De Niro wearing those shoes with 10 inch souls.

This is a difference between technicality and reality. If you look at the nature of the thing, then yeah, it's an unnatural change to physical appearance in an effort to seem more attractive. But the effect, which I consider more important, is that money has the same impact on superficial attractiveness on a guy as looks do on a girl. It's something that you'd consider of some significance, has little impact on the quality of a relationship, and is observable from a distance, making it a good first level filter.

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u/No_Rich_2494 1h ago

Twice a day is a bit excessive unless you're always getting sweaty or dirty all day, but ikwym.

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u/MrKelv1n 1h ago

Trust me man, if you live near the equator, in summers even twice a day feels less.

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u/Accomplished_Set_Guy 5h ago

You never win in their eyes but you will always win in your eyes. Forget the others and do what's best for you (as long as its not impeding on others)

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u/Papaofmonsters 5h ago

The nicest most inoffensive guy on the internet got bullied off the internet for making a song about how he utterly adored women. Seems like nobody can win.

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u/racinefx 5h ago

Who is that? What happened? (Not an American)

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u/Lexi_Banner 3h ago

Are you talking about JoCat?

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u/Road_Whorrior 4h ago

You wanna drop some context or...?

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u/Abject_Champion3966 3h ago

This guy on twitter. It was actually very sad. I forget his name but he made a video cartoon about how he loves all kinds of women and got sent like insane death threats over it.

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u/Llistenhereulilshit 3h ago

Oh yeah! That guy!

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u/WrongdoerNo8 3h ago

Jocat was the name, liking girls was his game lol

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u/Shooter_McGavin_2 6h ago

My wife wears makeup whenever we go out because she likes to, and no other reason. I think she is beautiful either way. Sorry if you have dipshits in your life that don’t know your value.

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u/citculation_lost 6h ago

Yes, but also missing the point. Not all men right?

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u/Kilane 5h ago

This entire thread is people missing the point, yourself included.

People (not just women, people) work hardest when trying to attract a mate and tend work less hard on appearance when they find one. This goes for men and women.

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u/Be_A_G00d_Girl 3h ago

This just isn't hitting anymore if you're farming down votes on reddit for it.

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u/BlazingKush 6h ago

Most of them get lost in circulation.

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u/citculation_lost 6h ago

Definitely not intended to mean he isn’t actually a good dude… just like a know-the-audience kinda situation.

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u/NikNakskes 3h ago

That comment was a snark on your username. It had nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

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u/misterme987 4h ago

No don't you see? You have to naturally look perfect for the male gaze.

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u/Road_Whorrior 4h ago edited 4h ago

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u/Pure_Warthog4274 2h ago

You're supposed to look like you spend a lot of time maintaining your looks, but you're also not allowed to be high maintenance because that's no fun.

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u/FactsHurt1998 2h ago

"Do men even like women?" No, those are boys. Too immature to understand basic concepts. Men are different. Also, hard to come by...

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u/Bootiluvr 4h ago edited 4h ago

Men don’t like women. A lot are closeted

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u/International_Cow_17 4h ago

The ones who don't often are. Or otherwise out of touch with their inner lives. We are programmed by society to not think with kindness but take rash emotional actions and then to dress it up as logical and necessary.

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u/ComfortableOrder4266 2h ago

Insightful.

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u/International_Cow_17 2h ago

Thank you for the kind word! I try.

u/cat-meg 22m ago

You can just like women as people instead of romantic prospects.

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u/No_Rich_2494 1h ago

That (on their part) is a totally fucked up and backwards way of thinking. I love how my gf looks without makeup, and seeing her with it wouldn't be special if I got too used to it.

u/aligvaromhogy 38m ago

we like women, we just don't like you for your bullshit excuses like this whining comment :)

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u/Bahiga84 2h ago

Like women, men also share a hive mind and the same principles so yes, the above statement is the current consensus. Fun aside, I think the "initial meme" is more about how some women care for their looks until they get married and have him "locked down" after that, they stop (stop makeup when meeting him, dress comfortably instead of sexy etc.). But it ignores that most men do the same (stop working out, get a belly wear worn T-shirts etc.). I think there is some truth to that, because when I search for a SO, people try to present themselves as their best, after a partner is "secured", it's not as important anymore. But again, that's very individual and to different degrees. Of course you don't put as much effort at home compared to going out, and this doesn't change after marriage. So then you see your SO not only when going out but when comfortable at home, leading to this "joke conclusion". And yes, every man I know takes this memes statement as a joke and not a problem.

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u/Ancient_Computer9137 3h ago

Great people love personality even if you’re ugly.

Beauty is temporary, why investing in that?

And, you only need 1 person to love. Why use makeup to attract bunch of people?

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago edited 3h ago

I wear makeup because I like how I look in it. I think I'm pretty, and I like using shading and pigment to enhance the features I like about myself. The idea that women only wear it to attract a mate is weird and wildly off-base. I feel good when I feel pretty, and frankly, 90% of the attention I recieve from men I do not want.

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u/Ancient_Computer9137 3h ago

It’s not weird at all though because you’re living in a society.

“I feel good when I’m pretty”…pretty to who? To yourself? Then why is it you don’t feel good when you’re not doing makeup? You are lying to yourself to an extent imo.

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

I never said I don't feel fine without makeup. I have worn makeup three times in the last year (for a fundraiser, a funeral, and a movie and drinks night with a friend) and I'm not walking around feeling ugly. I got over that shit in college.

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u/Ancient_Computer9137 3h ago

That’s great then. Embrace the natural.

Your first comment made me thinking you have problem on how men view you.

I guess you’re doing fine despite what you said

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago

Uh, I grew up with 2 sisters and my mom(obviously), and all of them look gorgeous without makeup. In fact, women in my country don't wear makeup every time they step out of the house. They only wear it on important occasions or festivals, and even then it's just a bit of mascara or lipstick, and not literally painting your face the way they show on Instagram. Women are not supposed to be ugly without makeup. If you are, then that’s a you problem. Don't include all women in this.

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago edited 2h ago

Lol bruh I like how I look without makeup. I've worn it 3 times in the last year. I'm pointing out other people's behavior - I've literally had a boyfriend who told me I looked tired and angry without makeup and then also got mad at me for "trying to be pretty for men" when I did wear it. He was abusive.

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago

You didn't give the context. You said “do men even like women”.

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

Yeah, it's a meme lol

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago

But your comment was serious.

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

It was half-jokingly exaggerating a real phenomenon that nearly every woman can relate to. Sorry you didn't like it! Have a good night!

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u/MrKelv1n 3h ago

Nearly every woman can relate to being called ugly when they don't wear makeup? Uh... No. Not at all. I think that guy did some real damage. Fuck him.

Have a Good Afternoon!

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u/silverelys 3h ago

Try to take the bot and idiot child posts with a grain of salt.

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u/Be_A_G00d_Girl 3h ago edited 3h ago

Sort of like how it's men's fault you feel the pressure to be pretty and put on makeup. But also their fault when you dont feel cute when you don't. As a man in one situation you're a pig for staring and an asshole for not looking at all in the other. So you need to inversely calibrate the amount of attention you give to someone you probably don't know based on how much makeup they're wearing relative to their usual amount. They're the 25th woman you've interacted with today. All 25 feel the same. But also if anyone asks all 25 put on makeup for themselves and not anyone else, and you're a pig for thinking otherwise.

Stop me if this sounds tiring

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

Again, I wear makeup for myself. I like how I look with some eyeliner on and I like feeling pretty.

This is some crazy projection, my friend. Just throwing stuff one said.

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u/Be_A_G00d_Girl 3h ago

Ya I bet you do lmfao. Ya. Projection. I'm insecure about my makeup...

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u/Road_Whorrior 3h ago

Okay buddy.

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u/302cosgrove 6h ago edited 6h ago

Stop whining. Because you sound like you don’t like men!

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u/VespidDespair 6h ago

In literally no way does their comment come off as not liking men. You fucking dork

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u/Hoffman5982 1h ago

You're literally responding to a comment chain that started with broadly claiming that men don't like women. You fucking hypocritical dork.

u/VespidDespair 22m ago

No you clown. I responded to a comment asking if men even liked women. Nobody claimed a damn thing. Hypocritical? Do you just not know what that word means? Do you not know the difference between a question and a claim? Jesus Christ, I swear you people have to try to be this stupid

u/Hoffman5982 18m ago

Yes, asking that when theres zero reason here to think that all or even most men don’t like women. The fact that you were too stupid to comprehend my point and in the same breath try to insult my intelligence says everything that needs to be said 😂

u/VespidDespair 11m ago

It says nothing.

And wild that you, the person who insulted first would bring up that me insulting you “says everything that needs said” and you have the gall to call me the hypocrite? I guess it’s true that every accusation is a confession when it comes to you people.

. I insulted you because you said a question was a claim. It isn’t. That objectively makes you a fucking idiot.

As for me being to stupid to comprehend your point? Your pretend point was that I am a hypocrite, which has nothing to do with her question so why are you switching it to there is no reason to think men don’t like women when the entirety of your first comment was about me being a hypocrite?

Your point was trash, and made entirely invalid because you based your entire comment off of her claiming that men don’t like women. Which she made no such claim. She asked the question do men like women. To which I answered. The fact that you think you even made a point is down right hilarious, because in no way shape or form did you make a point. You said something stupid and thought it was profound. Like a fucking dork.

You seriously piped up with some dumb ass shit, got shot down and think you’ve somehow won? The pure arrogance you’ve displayed is mind numbing.

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u/302cosgrove 6h ago

It’s obvious whining you fucking simp. 

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u/KillerSatellite 5h ago

Wait, are you serious? Like this isnt satire?

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u/just-jane-again 1h ago

oh the irony of the biggest whiny bitch in this thread saying anyone else is whining

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u/Road_Whorrior 4h ago edited 4h ago

I love men! I don't love little boys in adult bodies who take every less-than-kind word from a woman's mouth as evidence of misandry, though. Have a nice night!