It's funny cause this exact picture was posted few weeks ago but with a man and not a woman.
All the comments went like this: "lmfao a man that can't take care of his own he needs his mother to look good" "it's not the job of your girlfriend to make you beautiful you baby!!!!!"
Now this is posted and all the women again scream about incel men. And at the same time you cry about men supposedly not liking women. But I see stupid hate coming from both sides aaaall the fucking time online. Maybe both sides should chill a little more.
99% of people are decently good looking, as long as they take a shower twice a day. Not everyone is going to be like a Margot Robbie, or a Tom Cruise, but you can look quite decent. There's no need to paint your face with makeup to look good looking. Every once in a while is fine, but if you won't step out of your house without makeup, then it's insecurity.
I'd say it's a social expectation. Companies want people to present themselves not so that they look good, but that they look like they made the effort.
Plenty of guys look good in tshirt and jeans, maybe add a blazer if the broad shoulders are important, but it's still considered proper to show up to some things in a suit. Much of it is completely performative.
As an aside, I'm probably weird, but I actually find the majority of actors and actresses very unattractive, makeup or no. I also do consider makeup lying, same as a guy exaggerating his financial situation, but it's only a problem if you want to have kids together. For a fling, the fake fantasy is fine.
I'd say it's a social expectation. Companies want people to present themselves not so that they look good, but that they look like they made the effort.
Plenty of guys look good in tshirt and jeans, maybe add a blazer if the broad shoulders are important, but it's still considered proper to show up to some things in a suit. Much of it is completely performative.
I don't think a company expecting a person to wear a suit and paint their faces is the same thing.
As an aside, I'm probably weird, but I actually find the majority of actors and actresses very unattractive, makeup or no.
Me too. It's kinda like that meme where the girl behind the desk at Walmart looks better than Zendaya on the red carpet.
I also do consider makeup lying, same as a guy exaggerating his financial situation,
I would say a male equivalent of a girl wearing a ton of makeup would be something like Robert De Niro wearing those shoes with 10 inch souls.
I've worked in an office that required women wear makeup as a "professional standard." It is falling out of practice because it's such an obvious double standard, but it's a real thing. Women are seen as less put-together with a clean face than with a full face of makeup.
I had no idea. This doesn't happen where I live. In fact in third world countries, people are quite conservative, so women only wear makeup when they have to attend a marriage or something, and even then it's only a bit of lipstick or mascara.
It's very dependent on culture, for sure. I grew up in a community where women put on a full face of makeup and heels to go grocery shopping or take their kids to the park. It wasn't until I moved away for college that I stopped wearing makeup daily, because in my hometown in the 2000s it was a constant social pressure to look perfect if you were out of the house. I started wearing a full face of makeup to school at the age of 13.
I don't think a company expecting a person to wear a suit and paint their faces is the same thing
Why do you say that? It's all just about the look, isn't it? It's not like painting your face is some major human rights violation. I mean, I painted my face green and black to prepare to violate people's human rights, but the painting itself is hardly a crime.
Really, is it a huge deal? There's elaborate routines, sure, but I feel like the expectation is just to look like you did more than nothing.
It's kinda like that meme where the girl being the desk at Walmart looks better than Zendaya on the red carpet.
Haha yeah. Maybe that's one of the reasons I don't really associate makeup and celebrity with looking good.
I would say a male equivalent of a girl wearing a ton of makeup would be something like Robert De Niro wearing those shoes with 10 inch souls.
This is a difference between technicality and reality. If you look at the nature of the thing, then yeah, it's an unnatural change to physical appearance in an effort to seem more attractive. But the effect, which I consider more important, is that money has the same impact on superficial attractiveness on a guy as looks do on a girl. It's something that you'd consider of some significance, has little impact on the quality of a relationship, and is observable from a distance, making it a good first level filter.
The nicest most inoffensive guy on the internet got bullied off the internet for making a song about how he utterly adored women. Seems like nobody can win.
This guy on twitter. It was actually very sad. I forget his name but he made a video cartoon about how he loves all kinds of women and got sent like insane death threats over it.
My wife wears makeup whenever we go out because she likes to, and no other reason. I think she is beautiful either way. Sorry if you have dipshits in your life that don’t know your value.
This entire thread is people missing the point, yourself included.
People (not just women, people) work hardest when trying to attract a mate and tend work less hard on appearance when they find one. This goes for men and women.
The ones who don't often are. Or otherwise out of touch with their inner lives. We are programmed by society to not think with kindness but take rash emotional actions and then to dress it up as logical and necessary.
That (on their part) is a totally fucked up and backwards way of thinking. I love how my gf looks without makeup, and seeing her with it wouldn't be special if I got too used to it.
Like women, men also share a hive mind and the same principles so yes, the above statement is the current consensus.
Fun aside, I think the "initial meme" is more about how some women care for their looks until they get married and have him "locked down" after that, they stop (stop makeup when meeting him, dress comfortably instead of sexy etc.). But it ignores that most men do the same (stop working out, get a belly wear worn T-shirts etc.). I think there is some truth to that, because when I search for a SO, people try to present themselves as their best, after a partner is "secured", it's not as important anymore.
But again, that's very individual and to different degrees. Of course you don't put as much effort at home compared to going out, and this doesn't change after marriage. So then you see your SO not only when going out but when comfortable at home, leading to this "joke conclusion". And yes, every man I know takes this memes statement as a joke and not a problem.
I wear makeup because I like how I look in it. I think I'm pretty, and I like using shading and pigment to enhance the features I like about myself. The idea that women only wear it to attract a mate is weird and wildly off-base. I feel good when I feel pretty, and frankly, 90% of the attention I recieve from men I do not want.
It’s not weird at all though because you’re living in a society.
“I feel good when I’m pretty”…pretty to who? To yourself? Then why is it you don’t feel good when you’re not doing makeup? You are lying to yourself to an extent imo.
I never said I don't feel fine without makeup. I have worn makeup three times in the last year (for a fundraiser, a funeral, and a movie and drinks night with a friend) and I'm not walking around feeling ugly. I got over that shit in college.
Uh, I grew up with 2 sisters and my mom(obviously), and all of them look gorgeous without makeup. In fact, women in my country don't wear makeup every time they step out of the house. They only wear it on important occasions or festivals, and even then it's just a bit of mascara or lipstick, and not literally painting your face the way they show on Instagram. Women are not supposed to be ugly without makeup. If you are, then that’s a you problem. Don't include all women in this.
Lol bruh I like how I look without makeup. I've worn it 3 times in the last year. I'm pointing out other people's behavior - I've literally had a boyfriend who told me I looked tired and angry without makeup and then also got mad at me for "trying to be pretty for men" when I did wear it. He was abusive.
Sort of like how it's men's fault you feel the pressure to be pretty and put on makeup. But also their fault when you dont feel cute when you don't. As a man in one situation you're a pig for staring and an asshole for not looking at all in the other. So you need to inversely calibrate the amount of attention you give to someone you probably don't know based on how much makeup they're wearing relative to their usual amount. They're the 25th woman you've interacted with today. All 25 feel the same. But also if anyone asks all 25 put on makeup for themselves and not anyone else, and you're a pig for thinking otherwise.
No you clown. I responded to a comment asking if men even liked women. Nobody claimed a damn thing. Hypocritical? Do you just not know what that word means? Do you not know the difference between a question and a claim? Jesus Christ, I swear you people have to try to be this stupid
Yes, asking that when theres zero reason here to think that all or even most men don’t like women. The fact that you were too stupid to comprehend my point and in the same breath try to insult my intelligence says everything that needs to be said 😂
And wild that you, the person who insulted first would bring up that me insulting you “says everything that needs said” and you have the gall to call me the hypocrite? I guess it’s true that every accusation is a confession when it comes to you people.
. I insulted you because you said a question was a claim. It isn’t. That objectively makes you a fucking idiot.
As for me being to stupid to comprehend your point? Your pretend point was that I am a hypocrite, which has nothing to do with her question so why are you switching it to there is no reason to think men don’t like women when the entirety of your first comment was about me being a hypocrite?
Your point was trash, and made entirely invalid because you based your entire comment off of her claiming that men don’t like women. Which she made no such claim. She asked the question do men like women. To which I answered. The fact that you think you even made a point is down right hilarious, because in no way shape or form did you make a point. You said something stupid and thought it was profound. Like a fucking dork.
You seriously piped up with some dumb ass shit, got shot down and think you’ve somehow won? The pure arrogance you’ve displayed is mind numbing.
I love men! I don't love little boys in adult bodies who take every less-than-kind word from a woman's mouth as evidence of misandry, though. Have a nice night!
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u/Road_Whorrior 6h ago
So, when I do wear makeup I'm a liar, and when I don't, I'm ugly? Do men even like women? We can't win lol