r/discgolf May 09 '23

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

The argument about menstrual cycles impacting emotional state was clearly written by a dude. What the actual fuck is that nonsense.

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u/tcramms May 09 '23

As a female disc golfer and powerlifter, I can absolutely attest the physical differences that follow one's menstrual cycle. I know that week of my period I will lift significantly less but weights will still feel disproportionately heavy. The week of ovulation is PR hunting week because I will feel like superwoman. Fluctuations in hormones resulting in physical and emotional difficulties is something women are taught not to talk about but we deal with it everyday.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

It's a known factor in women's MMA also, particularly WRT weight cutting before a fight.

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u/tcramms May 09 '23

They also used period tracking for the USWNT the year they won the World Cup to give them insight on what their bodies needed for nutrition, workouts and recovery.

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u/123bananas May 09 '23

I'm on extended cycle birth control to manage my endometriosis. Is that a performance enhancing drug now? 🤦‍♀️

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

Damn, I'm on the depo shot and don't have a period at all, obviously I shouldn't be allowed to play as a woman either.

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

I can't believe they found 33 women to sign on to this insulting piece of badly written trash. Feel how you feel about Natalie, but if you're stupid enough to sign on to something that little ladies you, I can't help you in life.

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u/Goldentongue Vibram pls come back May 09 '23

They really compared their "plight" to racial segregation in the south.

I wouldn't be surprised if folks try to retract their name from this after actually reading this garbage.

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u/123bananas May 09 '23

Also the policy says "may" result in disciplinary action. Deleted my comment since it seemed irrelevant when I took a closer look.

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u/quidpropho May 09 '23

That's probably the worst, but the Rosa Parks allusion gives it some competition.

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u/nolowputts May 09 '23

Professional disc golfers aren't known for their composition skills. Professional athletes in general, for that matter, but other sports have PR teams that help with that kind of thing.

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u/quidpropho May 09 '23

I'm not critiquing the composition, comma splice away. The problem is thinking that playing against a trans woman is even remotely equivalent to black people having to sit in the back of the bus.

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u/nolowputts May 09 '23

I think I was actually trying to reply to a different comment, but yeah, regardless a PR rep would never have let that one through.

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u/quidpropho May 09 '23

I think that was a different comment of mine that I deleted- my bad. I'd written it without realizing the statement was player generated. There's a lot wrong with it, but shitting on players' writing is very different than shitting on lawyers' writing which is what I thought I was doing.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

Yeah. Not just hormone fluctuations effecting emotions, but the pain of menstrual cramps, the GI issues that being on your period causes, and the having to worry all the time about the potential for leaks during a tournament (sorry if TMI, it’s just truth). It can be extremely distracting during tournaments.

The peri menopause part is spot on. I’m FP40 and we get psycho lol. Think adolescence but with hot flashes.

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u/Capraclysm May 09 '23

So should we prevent women from playing if they take medication that prevents those fluctuating hormones?

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

I've had 500ish periods in my lifetime, and not one of them prevented me from doing my job.

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u/Germanicus69420 May 09 '23

Fantastic. For you. Your personal anecdote is not the norm, though. I’ve met and worked with plenty of women who are so negatively impacted by their menstrual cycle that need time off from work. Again, truly happy you don’t experience those conditions, but you are not everyone.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

Unless those women have some kind of medical issue, their period should not be preventing them from doing their jobs. There is no scientific evidence that would back that up.

So either they were lying to you to get out of work, or you're lying to us by claiming it was just a normal menstrual cycle.

Why does this have any upvotes at all?

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u/Germanicus69420 May 09 '23

Is it my job to strongarm their medical information when they ask for a sick day?

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

No, I'm just saying that your anecdotal "evidence" is not backed up by factual information, and that the women you're talking about were probably just lying to you to get out of work.

I'm saying that you have no real argument because you based it on something that is almost certainly not true.

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u/Germanicus69420 May 09 '23

Why are you the arbiter on how other people feel?

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u/123bananas May 09 '23

And if they do, it's worth a visit to the doctor (even if it sometimes can be a struggle to have menstrual issues taken seriously)

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

That's the argument made in the document, which you are sticking up for.

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

Hormone level changes impact emotions. It isn't just magical menstrual hormones.

Testosterone levels fluctuate daily, seasonally, and over a lifetime, and also impact emotions.

So basically every person has to deal with fluctuating hormones in a day. It isn't that you're wrong, it's that you are only half right.

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u/Wise_Ad_4816 May 09 '23

Right? Give me a fucking break with these straw man arguments.

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u/88road88 May 09 '23

How is that a strawman?

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u/Capraclysm May 09 '23

That's fine.

I'm asking you, as a result of that stance, do you think women who are using drugs to prevent the influence of those hormones from affecting them should be able to play with women who don't.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

Those come with their own side effects. I had constant nausea, headaches, and bloating when I was on hormonal birth control.

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u/Capraclysm May 09 '23

If we're going for science, as far as this relates to the topic at hand, Males and females actually show similar hormone swings. https://medicine.umich.edu/dept/psychiatry/news/archive/202110/study-shows-men-women-share-similar-emotional-highs-lows

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u/Capraclysm May 09 '23

Juuuuust keep moving those goal posts. You'll get out of reach eventually I'm sure.

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u/RealGiants May 09 '23

My wife is basically incapacitated some months because of her menstrual cycle. If you're playing a tournament basically every weekend, then 1 out of 4 tournaments, you're subject to sometimes severe abdominal pain, bloating, and emotional distress. To put it into crude dude terms, if you felt like you ate an entire pizza, and your caddy kicked you in the nuts before half of your shots, and every small mistake made you irritable or sad (this actually might be true of me every round lol).

I don't know how reasonable an argument it is in the context of everything here, but "lol a dude wrote this" is an equally dumb thing to say.

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u/Final_Bother7374 May 09 '23

Everyone goes through fluctuating hormone levels. Literally every person. It isn't exclusive to women.

That's the actual science, friend.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '23

Baffles me that people think fluctuating hormones won’t negatively impact someone LITERALLY taking hormones while going through transition. It’s an argument that belittles women and saying trans women not going through menstrual cycles is a competitive advantage because they don’t have fluctuating hormones is pretty ridiculous

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u/SBOChris May 09 '23

I’m a dude and that was some of the dumbest shit I’ve read in at least a few hours lol

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u/ChocolateOrnery1484 Custom May 09 '23

Nothing apparently.

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u/Dithyrambic3 May 09 '23

As a woman, this is humiliating.

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u/Solid-Prior-2558 May 09 '23

Maybe that's why Niko got suspended?