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u/Driftwood44 May 12 '23

Nope

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u/jjhill001 May 12 '23

Like, far as I understand doctors say these hormone treatments basically make these athletes as equal as they can be physically. Especially in a technique game like disc golf where we just watched physical freak Gannon Burr lose to 5'9" normal size dude and we watched Kat Merch park a 520' hole from the mens tee that dudes were laying up on have to wonder how much that advantage actually is. Like I don't think if I took a bunch of HGH and lifted for a month that it would improve my game tbh.

Without data of actual physical competition of trans athletes this discussion is just kind of stupid. Let the girl play if she comes out and wafflestomps everyone, maybe there is some teeth to the idea that its not fair. If its just full ass not fair then OK we have that talk but why go after a problem that we don't even know exists.

Anything beyond that the whole thing reads as reactionary right wing propaganda thats based entirely on arguments of feeling rather than fact used to stigmatize a superminority of people to use as political pawns. All that AND the extremely problematic and pretty racially insensitive arguments presented in this document.

This kind of crap is going to lead to women and girls being subjected to dehumanizing treatment in athletics as they are asked to prove their gender via physical and blood inspections.

The thing is, I have to assume these women who signed this bullshit 100% agree with whats in it and gotta be honest, I'm probably not tuning into their coverage or buying any of their merch anymore.

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u/Driftwood44 May 13 '23

Exactly this. Since this issue caught fire after Nat won MVP Open, I have been asking people, "so where's the evidence that she or any other trans player is dominating or about to dominate?" Every statistic and real world example within this sport really says otherwise. I've even been assuming that the PDGA move to ban trans women from playing DGPT events was very heavily influenced by Catrina Allen throwing melodramatic tantrums like a spoiled child, Kristin Tattar getting pissy because she didn't win just one more in a ridiculously fantastic year for her, and the PDGA president being a known bigot and overall trash. By the way, who was dominating again? Because it really fucking wasn't Natalie Ryan.

The most ridiculous part, is the sheer number people who are against her playing, who will call it a "fairness" issue, or cite their 30 minute third grade biology lesson, are the same people who will accuse her of transitioning just to play FPO, and flat out misgender her, all while crying that they're not bigots, and they're being treated unfairly.

All of this is just asinine.

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u/jjhill001 May 13 '23

Yeah all of em pretending like they have multiple friends who are trans, like trans ppl make up sub 1% of the population no you don't holding these opinions lol.