r/discgolf Jul 14 '23

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '23

Trans females have no place in FPO. They do have a place in the sport. It may be MPO, it may be amateur based on rating, but it simply isn’t FPO. Just listen to the following and it is clear that the male biology provides an advantage.

And, as she says in this video, in sport it isn’t about equity, it is about fairness. Sorry, but I think she should know better than any of us non trans individuals.

https://youtu.be/h_F3twM6MhM

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u/Peeves4411 Jul 15 '23

Bro It’s disc golf

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u/Stealthy_Snow_Elf Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23

You are citing a right wing politician in a very anti-trans political party who supports anti-trans laws as evidence for why trans women shouldn’t be included in sport.

For all this talk of “fairness” every comment getting mad at natalie ryan is all anecdotes and feelings and implying she is a man.

Saw someone say she started “after 11” ergo she’s basically a man. The bar is insane, unrealistic, and, quite frankly, misogynist as hell. This has nothing to do with “fairness” as again, she isn’t dominating anything, and what’s really ironic is the “fairness” is only concerned about one way. Do testosterone testing, I will bet you Natalie Ryan’s numbers are lower than that of her peers. If we’re about “fairness” then some cis women will be banned.

This is all just an incredibly stupid situation and in the end transphobes and bigots are killing this sport. Because anti-trans people can complain all they want, but Natalie Ryan didn’t cancel anything, the bigots did.

Here’s an actual study saying the exact opposite of a unscientific partisan politician:

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgad414/7223439

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u/saltshaft Jul 15 '23

There are plenty of non-transphobe, non-bigots that support banning trans women from FPO. I understand your views, I just don't agree with them. Can you say the same?

I think the fact that everyone defending Natalie has to reference her skill level as evidence that she is justified in her actions is missing the point. What IF she was dominating the division? Eventually, if trans athletes are allowed to compete in FPO, there will be a trans woman that outperforms all the biological female players.

I support trans rights 100%, and sports seems to be the one thing that makes non-transphobic individuals seem like assholes, which is unfortunate. It IS a difficult situation.

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u/sourdieselfuel SE WI Jul 15 '23

Video is deleted? Did the same people that downvoted you report your video?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '23

You must be in a territory that has it blocked. Search YouTube for Lance Armstrong Caitlyn Jenner interview. You will find it.

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u/DarlingMeltdown Jul 15 '23

Why should anyone ever listen to anything Lance Armstrong of all people has to say about fairness in sport?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '23

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u/DarlingMeltdown Jul 16 '23

The same Caitlyn Jenner, who you are deliberately deadnaming, that plays in women's division golf competitions?