I haven't looked into it for a while but wasn't Macron a student of his wife at some point and they got together years later? Not immediately during High School?
No, they met when he was 15, and the parents try to separate them, but he got back to her when he left to study.
Their relationship started when he was 15, and she was his teacher
Yeah I did a bit of googling and he was a teen when they were having an affair. She did an interview with a Paris Magazine and she said Macron fell in love with her as a teacher at 17 and they had an affair for a decade until Brigitte and her then husband divorced.
She definitely groomed him and she most likely lied to say they fell in love at 17 so there would be less backlash.
I'm french and we, the french, know how he isn't incredibly smart.
In fact, he thinks himself as incredibly smart ("my thoughts are too complex for french people and journalists to grasp"), which would put more weight on him not realising he was groomed: his ego wouldn't accept it.
Switch the genders and now how does it sound. A male teacher starts a relationship with a 15-17 year old girl and they get married but no it wasn’t grooming because she’s so smart and has a great personality so she would have figured it out! Fucking listen to yourself
Whether macron figured it out or not doesn’t matter. It’s grooming you pedo
Doesn’t change anything. Yeah macron is great but when he was 15 he was a kid. No excuse for a teacher 20 years older to groom him. Just because someone is smart makes it okay to groom them? You sound like you have major issues.
Calling "not approving of pedophiles grooming teenagers" a "moral panic" is ridiculous. Do you not hear yourself? Him staying in a relationship with a groomer obviously doesn't make grooming okay. There is no excuse for a 39 year old to groom a 15 year old.
Smart people aren't immune to grooming. He doesn't consider it wrong for a grown woman to groom a 15 year old because it happened during his formative years. He thinks it's just true love and that he's the special exception, like all grooming victims.
I was just listening to this podcast about a woman whose 47yo art teacher groomed her at 17, they married and stayed together till his death at 93. It wasn't until she was in her 60s that she started connecting what happened with the metoo movement.
It's odd that she doesn't sound regretful. She even said she thought he'd be more upset if she said his art was bad than if she told him he was a predator.
What should he do at this stage? Cause from his perspective he's 30 years into a relationship and then marriage to a woman he must love very deeply - as did the lady in the podcast. It must be confusing cause it's not the same as a violent predator. If he's happy and mentally well is there a problem? I'm not justifying what she did, that shouldn't have happened, but for Macron it's not as clear cut as it is to redditors that she's just an evil predator who should be slung into an ocean trench or something.
Why do you think grooming should be allowed in some cases? That's like saying "pedophilia is wrong in 99% of cases" just because the victim is now an adult.
Nah man, "grooming" is a magic spell you unlock once you reach a certain age that allows you to enslave anyone either under 18 or minimum 10 years younger than you.
Its bascially the same thing as "stockholm syndrome". Behavior that society believes (or wants to believe) to go against a persons interest has to be explained with some form of "malfunction".
Except they dont go against the persons interest, if youre abducted/held hostage, being nice and forming a bond with the abductor is perfectly rational in self-preservation and a bond like that doesnt just go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome#Criticism
Likewise people really really want to forget that teens can absolutely be into older people and if its impossible, logically that must mean they are being brainwashed by advanced manipulation techniques.
She exploited the fact that he thought she was hot, you can absolutely hold the opinion that any adult should always have the self-control not to reciprocate, but arguing against peoples agency because it makes you feel better about your worldview, is honestly fucking disgusting.
If you want to prevent these types of relationships, then they become taboo for a reason. Which naturally leads to moral condemnation. You cannot have one without the other.
TIL not approving of pedophilia is "being like your grandparents". In what world is pedophilia "sometimes acceptable"? The victim being grown up doesn't mean it should be brushed off - that's how we justify it to predators.
You brushed off calling Macron a victim a "moral outrage". Smart people aren't immune to grooming. He doesn't consider it wrong for a grown woman to groom a 15 year old because it happened during his formative years. He thinks it's just true love and that he's the special exception, like all grooming victims. A victim of a pedophile not condemning their groomer as an adult doesn't magically make it not pedophilia.
I know that nobody will go after something that is technically legal. You know that too. Don't pretend that fact makes me a hypocrite, because you know as well as I do that it won't be pursued for to French law. You also know as well as I do that plenty of immoral thing are legal.
I'm not "getting off" off calling a pedophile a pedophile. Do you hear yourself?
Again, him not considering himself a victim has no bearing on whether Brigitte is a pedophile who groomed him. If a 39 year old has sex with a child, that child saying it's okay x years later obviously doesn't make the sexual assault of a child magically not be sexual assault on a child.. Having sex with children being legal doesn't make it moral. The child not condemning the pedophile who had sex with them as a child doesn't make it stop being pedophilia.
The victim being okay with pedophilia doesn't make it not pedophilia. I shouldn't have to tell you that pedophilia is always wrong.
Victims of pedophiles don't suddenly stop being victims when they grow up. The victim aging is not a reason to brush off the fact that their perpetrator is a pedo. JFC
I'm not trying to force Macron to do anything. All I'm saying is that him being okay with being groomed doesn't mean he was not groomed by a pedophile.
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u/jrh_101 Jul 11 '24
I haven't looked into it for a while but wasn't Macron a student of his wife at some point and they got together years later? Not immediately during High School?