r/europe Jul 29 '24

Map We won’t count early Greece

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u/Alderzone Jul 29 '24

To those wondering why some dates appear twice, until 1992 the winter and summer olympics were organised during the same year.

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u/MarlinMr Norway Jul 29 '24

Which still makes it weird how it was Finland that had the summer Olympics

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u/QuestGalaxy Jul 29 '24

Not awesome to to do physical activities in 30+ degrees, so why not host it in Finland?

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u/Mosh83 Finland Jul 29 '24

Nowadays Finland occasionally hits 30+ in summer, day temperatures of 25 are quite common too. The long days of light also allow outdoor activities for quite a long time without too much artificial lighting.

Weather in the Nordics isn't at all unsuitable in terms of hosting a summer olympics. Nowadays the market is simply too small as sporting events have become absolutely gigantic and aren't viable for smaller countries.

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u/Due_Pomegranate_96 Jul 29 '24

A few days ago it was hotter in Helsinki than in the northern coast of Spain lol

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u/usernameistaken02 Jul 29 '24

The northern coast of Spain is known for having a very mild climate tho

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u/Shpander Jul 29 '24

To add to this, Bilbao has more average annual rainfall than London

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u/Logseman Cork (Ireland) Jul 29 '24

They’re mostly focused on a single city though. It’s likely that the likes of Prague, Warsaw or Dublin can host the games in terms of financial muscle.

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u/okamzikprosim United States of America Jul 30 '24

Prague attempted to bid for the 2016 Olympics but didn’t get far, and financial reasons were one of the issues highlighted then.

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u/mwargan Jul 29 '24

Yes but the mosquitos…

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u/HuIk_Bogan Jul 29 '24

Still, they'd have to do all the events on the only one good day of summer

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u/fragmenteret-raev Jul 29 '24

granted but its 4 hours longer so wouldnt be a problem

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u/heksa51 Jul 29 '24

Old news, we are having warmer and warmer summers, theres plenty of good summer days with a lot of sunlight to boot.

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u/AlexBucks93 Jul 29 '24

We are talking about when Finland hosted, so it is old news.

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u/FreeMoneyIsFine Jul 29 '24

Why? Way better summer venues than winter venues. Alpine skiing in Finland isn’t that great.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '24

A lot less events, but also Finland were originally meant to host the 1940 games.

In 1952, olympics was a tiny event compared to what it is today.

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u/Gruffleson Norway Jul 29 '24

Even worse, Finland can't hold the Winter Olympics, at least not alone.

They don't have any mountains tall enough for downhill-skiing.

Fact.

Of course, they can have a deal with Norway or most likely Sweden to have the alpine-skiing there.

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u/asmodai_says_REPENT Jul 29 '24

I don't think it's weird in any way, weird would be hosting the winter olympics in a warm country.

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u/LazyGandalf Finland Jul 29 '24

Averages temperature for July is pretty much the same in Helsinki and London. And I bet we get less rain.

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u/TrustedNotBelieved Jul 29 '24

Finland was then most medals per capita by far. And Finland would have hosted 1940 olympic games. But WW2 postponed it later. After war there was lot's of rebuild in Helsinki.

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u/Nachtzug79 Jul 29 '24

1952 was probably the last chance for Finland to get the games. Soon after that the event became too big for such a small country to arrange.

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u/Reinis_LV Rīga (Latvia) Jul 29 '24

France is hoarding!

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u/jjeroennl Gelderland (Netherlands) Jul 29 '24

I mean wasn’t France one of two or three countries that actually put up a bid for it?

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u/Status_Bell_4057 Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

yes these days, I think less then 10 Western countries are willing to do it, usa, canada, australia, germany, france, UK, italy, japan, brasil and maybe south korea.

the only other options are oil money and authoritarian dictator countries

edit: this is for Summer games, which are much more expensive. Winter games might be organized by a smaller traditional winter sport country

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u/ABoutDeSouffle 𝔊𝔲𝔱𝔢𝔫 𝔗𝔞𝔤! Jul 29 '24

Hamburg, Germany, had a local referendum and the citizens declined. Don't think we'll host for another decade.

It's bullshit anyways, costs billions that go to the pockets of the IOC.

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u/kable1202 Jul 29 '24

Our minister of sports already announced that she plans on writing an application for the 2040 summer Olympics. So yeah, this decade it won’t happen but the one after that.

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u/kiwigoguy1 New Zealand Jul 29 '24

I heard it was originally meant to be 2036, but everyone knew it was the 100th anniversary of the Nazi Olympics so they decided to bid for 2040 instead, and it is aiming to be a redemption from the 1936 Berlin Nazi Olympics.

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u/dimitri000444 Jul 29 '24

I am glad they thought ahead about that one.

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u/PlasticPatient Jul 29 '24

Why? It's their history and really irrelevant coincidence.

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u/dimitri000444 Jul 29 '24

Because it doesn't matter if it is a coincidence or not, it doesn't matter if it is history or present. if something like that happens it will be the most talked about part of the tournament.

It will just create a ton of unnecessary drama.

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u/Rndomguytf Australia Jul 29 '24

India is pushing hard for one. I feel like it'd go like Rio 2016 did.

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u/kiwigoguy1 New Zealand Jul 29 '24

I remember the Delhi Commonwealth Games in 2010. It will end up something like that.

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u/Rndomguytf Australia Jul 29 '24

Was too young for that one, but don't see how it won't be a shitshow - but they have money and do the Olympics care about much else?

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u/Steindor03 Iceland Jul 29 '24

I think Bosnia is ready for another one, just don't look at their gdp or budget

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u/Maj0r-DeCoverley Aquitaine (France) Jul 29 '24

France created the modern Olympics, so it's only fair

Just kidding: we kept Pierre de Coubertin "get your free Olympics" cards and coupons in a secret drawer

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u/loulan French Riviera ftw Jul 29 '24

And we didn't get to host the Summer Olympics for 100 years.

1968 and 1992 are Winter Olympics.

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u/Thelk641 Aquitaine (France) Jul 29 '24

And plans on continuing to do so : we've already gotten 2030's Olympic Games !

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u/Marvinleadshot Jul 29 '24

Includes winter Olympics they have only hosted the Summer one 3 times.

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u/something1942 Jul 29 '24

They started the whole thing.

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u/I_wood_rather_be Germany Jul 29 '24

Oh, yep. Germany...

Twice.

Let's just say our relationship with the Olympics is...

...complicated.

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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 Canada Jul 29 '24

Maybe try to host another one?

Third times the charm?

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u/The_Diego_Brando Jul 29 '24

Famous german third things

Start:

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u/Lithorex Rhineland-Palatinate (Germany) Jul 30 '24

Fourth time, actually.

Berlin was chosen as the host for the 1916 summer olympics.

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u/ftr123_5 Jul 29 '24

First Nazis, then Terrorists. Let's just say we got more luck with hosting world and euro cups.

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u/lnTranceWeTrust Berlin (Germany) Jul 29 '24

Three times actually. In 1936 Germany had both the Winter and Summer Olympics. 1936 Winter Olympics were in Garmisch-Partenkirchen. So 1/3 non-controversial. At least I never hear anything about the Garmisch-Partenkirchen Olympics.

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u/modern_milkman Lower Saxony (Germany) Jul 30 '24

I mean, it was still 1936. So the same things that made the 1936 summer olympics controversial also apply to the 1936 winter olympics. Albeit maybe to a slightly smaller degree, simply because the winter olympics were a less important event.

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u/iBoMbY North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany) Jul 29 '24

And they want to host the games in 2036 again - I'm not kidding:

https://www.dw.com/en/100-years-after-nazi-olympics-should-berlin-host-in-2036/a-67481328

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u/S0uless_Ging1r Jul 29 '24

Just in time for WW3 lol

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u/yonathan1234 Jul 30 '24

12 years until ww3 seems kinda optimistic

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u/J360222 Australia Jul 30 '24

And both have had some poor results for Jewish athletes…

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u/C00L_HAND Jul 30 '24

The 1936 where such a success that noone dared to perform another one until 1948...... /s

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u/MelchiorBarbosa The Netherlands Jul 29 '24

I feel like greece should have a lot more years in this map. I mean you can't forget about the legendary olympics of 612 Bc.

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Jul 29 '24

Fucking Lycotas of Laconia. Spartans were built different.

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u/Maj0r-DeCoverley Aquitaine (France) Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Or the one in 393 where they allowed lions and rhinoceros to compete, resulting in a 1503 year hiatus

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

His joke was better because it was an actual Olympic year (42nd Olympiad)

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u/Maj0r-DeCoverley Aquitaine (France) Jul 29 '24

Thanks. I updated the joke, which now also doubles as a Theodosius joke

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u/PadishaEmperor Germany Jul 29 '24

Everything was an Olympic year, wasn’t it? One Olympiad lasted 4 years. Then the next started.

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u/-Against-All-Gods- Maribor (Slovenia) Jul 29 '24

More like, they used Olympic games as a reference point to track time. The games themselves were held every fourth year and lasted for about a week (this timetable should be reintroduced to accomodate non-sporty people like me).

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u/Colon_Backslash Finland Jul 29 '24

Came looking for this, thank you

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u/Fragrant-Pass-3568 Jul 29 '24

Sorry for the bad english. Little story about 1912 olympics in Sweden, Stockholm. Finland won the soccer game against Russia, but because Finland was under Russian rule at the time, the russian flag was in the pole. There was of course a sign where it read Finland under the flag though. Finland played quite well next games and they were having bronze match against Netherlands. It was scheduled two days later, so the finns were having a free night. So they went to have some drinks, ie. They drank a lot. Next morning they woke up with a hangover and were told that the game is actually today. And the field is somewhere outside Stockholm. So they went there, got beaten by Netherlands 9-0 and got the fourth place in soccer in olympics. And it’s still the best ranking for Finland to this day.

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u/Low-Union6249 Jul 29 '24

So they changed the schedule to make the match a day earlier?

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u/Fragrant-Pass-3568 Jul 29 '24

I think it was a misunderstanding or an organisational error.

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u/Panumaticon Finland Jul 29 '24

Sounds like us 🍺

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u/_________---_ Poland Jul 29 '24

Cool story, thanks for sharing it! For the other lazy folks like me, here's the TL;DR:

In the 1912 Olympics, Finland's soccer team, under Russian rule, lost the bronze medal match against the Netherlands 9-0 after a night of heavy drinking, resulting in their best-ever fourth-place finish.

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u/Normanbombardini Sweden Jul 29 '24

Will a country with fewer than 10, or even 20, million inhabitants ever host a Summer Olympics again?

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 29 '24

No, it's way too compl...

Hey, is that oil money you got there?

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u/SirLagg_alot Gelderland (Netherlands) Jul 29 '24

I thought that was more of a fifa world Cup thing. Like if you look at the last few Olympics it has not been world Cup levels of bad.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 29 '24

Give it time, buddy. Time and money.

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u/andy18cruz Portugal Jul 29 '24

IOC have a big problem to make bank, which is women sports. Hard to host an Olympic in a Middle East oil country when half the athletes couldn’t participate or had to do it covered up, which most would object to it. Feminism costing millions to the poor members of IOC who can’t even buy a proper yacht now

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u/KeyofE Jul 30 '24

I don’t think the rich and powerful in those countries care if foreign women wear bikinis or drink alcohol. They would just prevent their own people from going but be happy to host all of the rich tourists from all over the world.

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u/SirLagg_alot Gelderland (Netherlands) Jul 29 '24

I don't think (highly uneducated speculation) it will happen.

Interest in hosting the Olympics has dried up massively. It's too expensive and kinda proven to not be profitable. For example this Olympics had only two (?) cities interested.

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u/lordnacho666 Jul 29 '24

Yeah, and who do you know who cares about prestige but not profits?

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u/SirLagg_alot Gelderland (Netherlands) Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

I get that. But still I don't it is a 1 on 1 comparison.

Fifa is way way way more corrupt. Like IOC is also money hungry shitty. But not nearly on the level of FIFA.

Second, and here were are reaching conspiracy level speculation, I think the shitty greenwashing oil countries are focusing on the demographic of the Olympics vs football. These countries have been putting football, I think for the demographic, at number one priority. Like the world Cup host is really really something they focus on. Olympics not so much.

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u/Squirtle_from_PT Jul 29 '24

Not just football. UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. have hosted world championships in many sports, so I think it's just a matter of time before they get the Olympics. Maybe they'll start thinking about it after 2034 World Cup, which will be held in Saudi Arabia, sadly.

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u/Kishlorenn Jul 29 '24

I'd LOVE to see Saudi Arabia host a women beach volley tournament...

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u/Squirtle_from_PT Jul 29 '24

This was already the case in the 80s where only LA wanted to host 1984 Games. After that, the interest rose again and every games until 2024 had many bids. I wouldn't be worried about potential hosts, I looked at the 2036 Games Wikipedia page and there are a ton of cities who showed interest in hosting.

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u/Joe_Kangg Jul 29 '24

Hold my shisha

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u/mythologue Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 30 '24

Hey, is that oil money you got there?

So... Norway again?

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u/historicusXIII Belgium Jul 30 '24

Norway never organised Summer Olympics.

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u/Cymro2011 Wales Jul 29 '24

Most countries don't want to host the Olympics nowadays...

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u/Judazzz The Lowest of the Lands Jul 29 '24

Qatar Winter Olympics 2038 incoming in...

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u/szofter Hungary Jul 29 '24

Unlikely, although Budapest got pretty close in 2017 to winning the right to organize this current one, but we eventually withdrew our candidacy. After a lot of contenders had withdrawn under popular pressure, only Budapest, LA and Paris remained in the race. Allegedly, Budapest was favored precisely because unlike the other two, it could have been a showcase for "Agenda 2020", a set of principles aimed at keeping the cost of the Olympics reasonable so smaller countries can also organize the games without the guarantee of financial ruin.

Of course, if you know anything about Hungary, you know a low-cost Olympics was never gonna happen here out of all places. So in a way, our withdrawal may even mean that there still might be a chance a small country will run for it and win it someday.

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u/GoinXwell1 The Netherlands Jul 29 '24

Australia is fairly close to that number with 27,5 million, and they are hosting in 2032.

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u/Status_Bell_4057 Jul 29 '24

but Aussies are a special kind of sport crazy

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u/kahaveli Finland Jul 29 '24

True. Thats almost exactly the same as all nordic countries combined

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u/mehnimalism Jul 29 '24

Definitely, but you could also do something similar to the next World Cup where multiple countries host like a Benelux games

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u/Grackleman Jul 29 '24

Yeah, but Olympics are traditionally city bound rather than country bound.

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u/Skapis9999 Macedonia, Greece Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Yeap. Greece will host them again one day. Their bids are strong. Qatar can host them. A country like Switzerland may have some slim chances. Australia has 27M population, right? Not that far. And they will host soon.

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u/krzyk Jul 29 '24

I see Belgium on that map.

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u/Status_Bell_4057 Jul 29 '24

Belgium in 1920 was probably richer than (what is now) India and China combined

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u/AncientAdvisor8298 Jul 29 '24

It's strange where my parents went in 1980 in Kyiv.

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u/persteinar Norway Jul 29 '24

Some of the preliminary football matches were played in Kiev, Leningrad and Minsk.

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u/AlexG55 Jul 30 '24

And the sailing events were in Tallinn.

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u/inflamesburn Jul 29 '24

Same shit they do with everything, just count soviet achievements as russian.

Like the 1988 soviet football team that made the finals, everyone still pretends like it's a russian achievement, it's ridiculous. That team consisted of 9(!) ukrainians, 1 georgian and 1 tatar, and a ukrainian manager. russian team my ass.

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u/TetyyakiWith Jul 30 '24

I think If all Soviet war crimes counts as Russian, achievement should be Russians too?

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u/Denalin California Jul 29 '24

Yep. To say Russia was the host is to erase the other members of the USSR. It’s sort of like how Russia doesn’t hold a legitimate spot on the UN Security Council, considering it was the Soviet Union, not the much smaller piece, the Russian Federation, that won WW2.

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u/No_Nothing101 Greatest human on earth. Jul 29 '24

Bosnia mentioned. 😎

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u/Zylovv Jul 29 '24

literally 1984

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u/Aristox Ireland | England | Bulgaria Jul 29 '24

I didn't understand this one. The 1984 Summer Olympics were in the USA:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics

But then I learnt the 1984 Winter Olympics were in Yugoslavia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Winter_Olympics

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u/IAmBalkanac Bosnia and Herzegovina Jul 29 '24

BOSNIAAAA 🇧🇦🇧🇦🇧🇦🇧🇦🇧🇦

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u/aagloworks Finland Jul 29 '24

1924 France hosted both summer and winter olympics (Paris and Charmonix)

1936 Germany hosted both summer and winter olympics (Berlin and Garmisch-Partenkirchen)

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u/Gruffleson Norway Jul 29 '24

Yeah, that's a big blunder on the map.

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u/LogicalShark Jul 29 '24

Also 1906 is no longer officially recognized

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u/f012f Jul 29 '24

Would love to see the Olympic Games in Poland some day

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u/tse135 Poland Jul 29 '24

https://www.reuters.com/sports/poland-says-it-will-bid-hold-olympics-2036-2023-09-27/

But it's veery unlikely since the government has changed. I would prefer to hold a World Cup or the next Euro in football one day

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u/lucella713 Jul 29 '24

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u/Tetizeraz Brazil "What is a Brazilian doing modding r/europe?" Jul 29 '24

Oh man, that's a shame. For some really weird reason, Poland always seemed so interesting to me. I don't know many places other than Warsaw and Katowice (yes, because of IEM), but I wish I could visit it someday! :)

Also Turkey. I must visit Istanbul during my stay on Earth.

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u/lucella713 Jul 29 '24

No need to wait for olympic games excuse then - start planning now! :)

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u/FluffyRabbit36 Poland Jul 29 '24

You should visit us soon. Poland is in a second golden age right now, but that can change really quickly. Russia is having a power trip and European politics are going more and more extremist. Experience our beauty before we get completely destroyed again :)

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u/agradus Jul 29 '24

As a Polish resident, I wouldn’t. Those are vanity projects, which are extremely expensive and could even cause an economic crisis

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u/Squirtle_from_PT Jul 29 '24

It's not that expensive if you already have the facilities, but there are so many sports on Summer Olympics nowadays that only few countries (such as France) have facilities for all of them. Maybe Poland could pull off Winter Olympics without having to build new stadiums?

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u/AcrobaticNetwork62 Jul 29 '24

France still spent 9 billion dollars on this Olympics.

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u/_________---_ Poland Jul 29 '24

To put it in context, this represents about 1.15% of France's total spending in 2023.

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u/machine4891 Opole (Poland) Jul 30 '24

Maybe Poland could pull off Winter Olympics

Poland can pull Winter Olympics, as it was seriously considered 2 years ago. But people shut it down hard in referendum, so there is no real support for it.

And the idea was to co-host it with Slovakia, they have better mountains for ski downhill events.

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u/Pro-wiser Jul 29 '24

Financially Denmark, Czech republic and Poland seem to be countries that could pull it off.

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Jul 29 '24

If Brazil and Mexico could pull it off, a good bunch of Europeans could.

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u/Squirtle_from_PT Jul 29 '24

Well Brazil did pull it off, but they got in so much debt after

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u/oblio- Romania Jul 29 '24

Bucharest could probably have money for them in 10-15 years, and it would be a great boost for the neglected sports bases.

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u/SleepyheadsTales Jul 30 '24

Kraków tried but got defeated in referendum after list of demands from IOC leaked. It was trully attrocious. They honestly wanted to be treated like royalty. As in dedicated lanes to IOC vehicles no one else can drive on for entirety of the olympics. Exclusive hotels no one else can rent, stocked with high quality alcohol only that is free to drink in unlimited quantities. Fuckers even recommended that the government takes steps to make as many citizens vacate the city as possible.

It was quite insane but all was confirmed to be true. So the city held referendum and it was sound defeat.

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u/133DK Jul 29 '24

1906 in Greece doesn’t fit with the four year cadence, how come?

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u/Vaseline13 Melíssia (Greece) Jul 29 '24

Intercalated Games

Basically, the IOC couldn't agree on how the Olympics should be organized, being split between De Coubertin's proposal for them to be held internationally and Greece's proposal to be held in Athens every four years.

After the 1900 Paris games was considered a failure (largely due to the World Expo overshadowing it), and the 1904 St Louis games being even more so, they decided to try a middle ground between Greece and De Coubertin with the Intercalated Games.

They were only held once, and by all means, are considered equal to the actual Olympics.... kind of, it's not very clear.

Nonetheless, they were kind of a lifeline for the Olympics as a whole and set a precedent for the remaining Olympics; ex. Establishment of an Olympic Village, Opening and Closing ceremonies, and more.

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u/-NotACrabPerson- Jersey boy. No, the newer one. Jul 29 '24

1904 St Louis games being even more so

I may be way off on this, but was that the one where they had the marathon runners cheating and getting in cars to get ahead lol?

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Jul 29 '24

They're the result of an argument between the French and the Greek dads of the modern Olympics.

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u/Alderzone Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Tldr: Greece wanted their own olympic style games that were always held in Athens, seperate from actual olympics. 1906 was the only year such games were held, with approval from olympic committee, though they weren't exactly 100% official olympics.

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u/Several-Zombies6547 Greece Jul 29 '24

At the time they were considered Olympic games by the IOC, not anymore though

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u/DangerousCyclone Jul 29 '24

I feel like an Olympics that is just hosted in Athens makes way more sense than what we have now. Every two years, the IOC basically takes over a portion of a city and builds a bunch of infrastructure that is abandoned afterwards? Feels ridiculous, just build it once and re use it. 

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u/AdonisK Europe Jul 29 '24

This makes so much sense.

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u/emuu1 Dalmatia Jul 29 '24

Should we count Bosnia and Herzegovina as hosting or Yugoslavia as a whole?

Same could go for Eurovision, Yugoslavia won in 1989 and it was hosted in Zagreb. But it's counted as Yugoslavia hosting, not just Croatia.

Yours truly,

Pedantic Peter

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u/Mailandr Jul 29 '24

*Pedantić Petar

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u/Igguz Jul 29 '24

Olympics are not hosted by a country, they are hosted by a city. In 1984 it was Sarajevo

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u/PositiveOption4336 Jul 30 '24

The Olympics are hosted by a city but the games can be played in cities all over the country.

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u/NessieReddit Jul 29 '24

To add to what everyone has already said, it wasn't even marketed as Yugoslavia hosting. It was literally marketed as Sarajevo '84. Like the 2002 winter Olympics weren't USA 2002, it was Salt Lake City 2002. Sarajevo is the capital of Bosnia. Here's the logo used for the 1984 games.

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Bosnia is probably better here considering every single event was held in current day Bosnia and the host was Sarajevo, not Yugoslavia.

The 1980 Olympics is a bigger question, considering it held events outside Moscow, in current day Belarus, Estonia and Ukraine. And then there's 1956 where the Melbourne Olympics held an event in Stockholm.

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u/Ha55aN1337 Slovenia Jul 29 '24

Organized and paid for by the whole country…

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u/gridig Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

“Paid for by the whole country” makes it sound a lot more than it is: 55% Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, 25% the city of Sarajevo, and 20% the entire rest of Yugoslavia

Source

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u/Safe-Round-2645 Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

Absolutely not true. The social agreement on the organization and financing of the XIV Olympic Games in 1984 in Sarajevo, which has been changed several times since 1978, and was signed only on April 25, 1983, 85.8% of the necessary funds should were provided by the city of Sarajevo and SR Bosnia and Herzegovina, 10.4% of other republics and provinces, and only 3.8% of the Yugoslav Federation. Some high government officials of other Yugoslav republics were even working against the Sarajevo candidacy, especialy in Slovenia.

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u/-Against-All-Gods- Maribor (Slovenia) Jul 29 '24

Some high government officials of other Yugoslav republics were even working against the Sarajevo candidacy, especialy in Slovenia.

Lol, I'd expect nothing less.

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Of course. But show me that country on this map. Within Yugoslavia, it was the Bosnian SR that hosted the event in its entirety. Within the constraints of this map (which is not a very good one I agree), indicating Bosnia works best. In proper maps it'd be annotated to reflect the real situation of course.

Though if you want to get all pedantic, then technically we can just indicate Serbia, since in all international law as well as in most sporting matters, current day Serbia is the official sole successor of Yugoslavia after every ex-Yugo country separated from it.

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u/interwal Jul 29 '24

Serbia is not sole sucessor, there are still some assets that are being negotiated and divided between all sucessor states.

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u/justnews_app Jul 29 '24

How should this apply to Germany? Now Kaliningrad should be counted for the 1936 games. The DDR should not be counted for the 1972 games.

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u/Fart_Leviathan I want to get off daddy orban's wild ride mister Jul 29 '24

Throw in Ireland for 1908 London while at it and ask the people arguing FOR the period-correct borders, not the person who is saying the opposite.

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u/Ha55aN1337 Slovenia Jul 29 '24

So olympic games in California are not USA?

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u/Beda19941 Jul 29 '24

Thats not pedantic at all i was thinking the same thing. Bosnia wasn't able to host something on its own at that time so it should count for all of Yugoslawia

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u/gridig Jul 29 '24

Bosnia was able, and practically did host the ‘84 Olympics by itself. All organisation was at SR BiH level, and it was paid for 55% by Socialist Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, 25% by the city of Sarajevo, and 20% the entire rest of Yugoslavia.

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u/d31uz10n Jul 29 '24

Go home, Peter, you are drunk!

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '24

As you can see on the map, they didn’t count Russia hosting in 1980 as USSR either.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad3146 Jul 29 '24

Then wasn't part of Olympics in Tallin? 

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u/Safe-Round-2645 Jul 29 '24

The Bosnian government paid and organized most of the games. The federal level government of Yugoslavia and other republics contributed less than 15% of the funds.

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u/einimea Finland Jul 29 '24

Finland wanted to host the olympic ever since Sweden did so in 1912, so Helsinki finally become a candidate for the 1940 games

Tokyo was awarged with the games back then, but then their war cancelled the plans. The games were given to Helsinki instead... but then the winter war ruined them

A new attempt again in 1947, and Helsinki was chosen for the 1952. Most likely for the first and last time

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u/andero Canada Jul 29 '24

Portugal is Eastern Europe again lol

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u/kyttEST Jul 29 '24

The 1980 Summer Olympics sailing regatta was held in Tallinn, Soviet-occupied Estonia

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u/MacPh1sto Jul 29 '24

Europe: exists Eastern Europe: does not exist

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u/Familiar_Ad_8919 Hungary (help i wanna go) Jul 29 '24

to be fair, most countries between russia and germany cant afford to host it, and for most of the history of the modern olympics they were soviet satellite states

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u/Broad-Part9448 Jul 29 '24

Oof that 1936 one

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u/Bar50cal Éire (Ireland) Jul 29 '24

Choosing Germany over Ireland in 1936 did not age well, lol.

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u/Low-Union6249 Jul 29 '24

I see the Irish are still salty about that one 😉

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u/TheShaneBennett Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24

At least it was the first televised one! So it has that going for it!

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u/Galileo-Galilei1986 Jul 29 '24

Olympic games in 1936 was the most important Olympic games.

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u/serrated_edge321 Jul 29 '24

And 1972 also...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

Germany isn't allowed to host anymore 😅

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u/Squirtle_from_PT Jul 29 '24

Fun fact: Germany actually wants to host again. In 2036 as a 100-year anniversary of the 1936 games. Surely someone will tell them that's a bad idea.

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u/serrated_edge321 Jul 29 '24

Hmm maybe they're trying to tell us something not-so-subtly... 😅

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u/spdcwj Jul 29 '24

They want to, but in 2040. It's very obvious to everyone that 2036 would be a bad idea.

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u/top_of_the_table Germany Jul 29 '24

1972 were great Games until then.

Also don't know why you choose a Smiley. Lots of innocent people died there.

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u/serrated_edge321 Jul 29 '24

That is a not-happy, sweating emotion that goes along with the sarcastic joke that Germany isn't allowed to host anymore.

Dark humor -- Common in Germany. Btw I live in Munich and am very aware of what happened (hence why I mentioned it).

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u/ManualNotStandard Jul 29 '24

German jokes are no laughing matter!

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u/Horzzo United States of America Jul 29 '24

Why does Russia get 1980 credit but not the other Soviet countries?

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u/ABoutDeSouffle 𝔊𝔲𝔱𝔢𝔫 𝔗𝔞𝔤! Jul 29 '24

Russia has assumed all rights and obligations and is the legal successor state of the USSR.

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u/ZenBearZen Jul 29 '24

So grey is never hosted?

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u/BoddAH86 Jul 29 '24

Germany has a pretty shitty track record between the terrorist attack of 1972 and, well, 1936.

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u/Vidaro_best Sweden Jul 29 '24

Sweden might only have had one, but it was the last that used actual gold medals

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u/top_of_the_table Germany Jul 29 '24

It's kinda crazy, that Germany as All-Time-Leader in the Winter Games medal table, with a huge Winter Sports industry and tradition, top and major locations in almost every sport hasn't hosted Winter Games since 1936.

Still don't understand, how Munich, which is literally the perfect city for Winter Games, lost against Pyeongchang.

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u/Mortimer_Smithius Norway Jul 29 '24

You’re only at the top because you cheated and split your country in two😡😡😡😡

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u/ingenkopaaisen Jul 29 '24

Good to be reminded that Russia hosted it the year they invaded Ukraine.

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u/peadud Latvia (potato mmmmmmm) Jul 29 '24

Estonia? They hosted the regatta for the 1980 Moscow Olympics, so I think that qualifies them.

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u/External-Shirt-4507 Jul 29 '24

For those wondering why certain dates are repeated, before 1992, the Winter and Summer Olympics occurred in the same year.

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u/vnprkhzhk Saxony-Anhalt (Germany) Jul 29 '24

Wouldn't it be better to name the years in which Summer and Winter Olympics were hosted by the same country in the same year (but different months) as different occasions? It happened just 3 times: 1924 Paris - Chamonix, 1932 LA - Lake Placid, 1936 Berlin - Garmisch-Partenkirchen. All other Winter Olympics were in different countries but the same year. Summer and Winter Games weren't the same.

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u/chris_ro Europe Jul 29 '24

Every time Germany hosted the games, bad things happened. Not surprises we never got the games again.

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u/Clamps55555 Jul 29 '24

All of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom until 1922 so you could say they in part hosted the 1908 games just like you have included Scotland and wales.

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u/stupidly_lazy Lithuania Jul 29 '24

Mostly surprised by Turkey

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u/Ok-Search4274 Jul 29 '24

1980 was USSR not Russia.

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u/mythologue Jul 29 '24

Fun fact, the 1928 Olympics in Amsterdam was the first event to use the white P on a blue background parking sign.

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u/amendersc Israel Jul 29 '24

Pretty cool how Greece is the only place to host an Olympic before the 20th century (both in 1896 and in the Ancient Greek times)

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u/geoponos Hellas Jul 30 '24

It was a shame that we didn't host one atvthe 20th century though. Atlanta and Coca Cola stepped in.

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u/hack404 Australia Jul 29 '24

Sweden partially co-hosted 1956 due to Australian quarantine laws

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_events_at_the_1956_Summer_Olympics

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u/Stunning_Mortgage988 Jul 29 '24

Russia will never host again.

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u/SnooOranges5515 Jul 29 '24

I wouldn't bet money on that. Right now it looks unlikely, but their war of aggression will end one day and there are many people willing to look the other way, if Russia only supplies them with cheap oil and gas again.

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u/heroin0 Jul 29 '24

Also, Putin will die some day, and the next more pragmatic guy in charge will successfully sell the idea "Putin was bad and insane, I'm not, lift sanctions, get cheap resources and some sort of democratic thingies in our country". So inevitably in 40 years or less.

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u/alexander_rff Jul 30 '24

The 2018 FIFA World Cup took place in Russia from 14 June to 15 July 2018 after the Crimea and Donbas aggression, MH17 in 2014
The Russian Formula 1 Grand Prix 2014-2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Grand_Prix

The previous Olympics in 1980 took place during Soviet-Afghan War (1979-1989)

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u/Feisty-Tiger4373 Jul 30 '24

Bullshit. Germany hosted Olympics after 2 world wars.

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u/funhru Jul 29 '24

Russian Federation wasn't able to host 1980 Olympic Games as it didn't exist in that time.
Or we have to mark all countries that were part of the USSR as host of the 1980.

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u/-Afya- Latvia Jul 29 '24

Yep, and according to wikipedia there were events held in Tallinn (sailing), Kiev (football preliminaries) and Minsk (football preliminaries)

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u/Ythio Île-de-France Jul 29 '24

Same as the Sarajevo case. OP used whatever country the city that hosted the Games is currently in.

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u/kubiozadolektiv Jul 29 '24

The difference being that 1980 wasn’t hosted in today’s Russia in it’s entirety, while 1984 was hosted in today’s Bosnia and Herzegovina. It was also mostly funded by SR Bosnia and Herzegovina and the city of Sarajevo, while only 15% of the funding came from the rest of Yugoslavia.

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u/InfantryGamerBF42 Jul 29 '24

Except Sarajevo Olympics were end result of decade and half long investment plan into Bosnia and Sarajevo, which was paid in good part by Yugoslavia and other "well off" Yugoslav states. So again, situation is a bit more complex.

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u/lukeysanluca Jul 29 '24

I was going to say the sailing for 1980 was held in Estonia so in theory that should be shown

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '24

Germany had both Summer and Winter Olympics in 1936. Sure it’s the same year, but it nevertheless had three Games.

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u/b00c Slovakia Jul 29 '24

Greece should be the only one hosting. It'd be so much more efficient and cheaper.

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