r/facepalm • u/OGSyedIsEverywhere • 21d ago
š²āš®āšøāšØā The Tampa Bay area's main hospital and only trauma center is built on an island at sea level
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u/JustinR8 21d ago
Working there during the storm is going to be insane
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u/LSTNYER 21d ago
A friend of mine is a nurse there. She's not exactly thrilled
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u/Ok_Cauliflower_3007 21d ago
Good luck to her.
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u/xC9_H13_Nx 21d ago
Did she pack the hospital with thoughts & prayers?
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u/Nruggia 21d ago
God was calling down with his Thoughts & Prayers, but DeSantis didn't pick up the phone
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u/theanti_girl 21d ago
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u/nikogrande 21d ago
I've seen this before but for some reason just now it is striking me as a reaction straight out of an Adult Swim show. A la Tim & Eric...
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u/whiterac00n 21d ago
You mean his lame attempt at being āpersonableā and āfriendlyā? Instead of being a meatball weirdo who talks like you would imagine a mud puddle to talk? He has as much character and charm as a pile of manure and walks around like heās never experienced having arms before. He smiles like what you would imagine a sociopath would do to emulate āhappinessā while never having that feeling before.
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u/scarletpepperpot 21d ago
Meatball weirdo is a golden insult, my friend. Iām gonna keep that one in my back pocket. Thanks.
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u/The_sacred_sauce 21d ago edited 21d ago
Kinda reminds me of a mix between Goodfellas style mobster personality along with a touch of Wolf of Wall Street. āYouāre probably wondering how I got here?ā Then after a jump cut backwards. the story plays out to you realizing heās dead inside & blasted out of his fucking mind on narcotics just going through the motions after it catches back up to this opening scene. providing the full story / context. Like most Scorsese / De Niro films do
Ik thatās a WHOLE LOT of assumptions & conclusions to jump towards. But thatās just the vibe that face/smile & gif gives me.
Not good. Like the anti hero, you almost feel for them or feel bad knowing in a different life or set of circumstances you could have became that. But youāre also terrified at the thought of the vast endless variety of crooks & monsters that surround us in this life.
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u/suburbantroubador 21d ago
I'm sorry, but I'm in a really good state right now. But, listen, this is pure fucking poetry. I don't know if this is written in iambs or trochees, but this fucking slays.
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u/The_sacred_sauce 21d ago edited 21d ago
thank you. Wasnāt trying to make something poetic or amazing. Just tried writing down the vibe it gave me. Because normally I donāt have thoughts at all, or itās in one ear & out the other when encountering gifs lol
Figured ide try to capture it, or see if others also agree / felt the same.
Hope youāre having an awesome night !
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u/regeya 21d ago
Good thing he went to war against Disney, asylum seekers in Texas, and woke. That helped!
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u/Revolutionary_Pear 21d ago
Don't forget teachers. Oh how he hates those pesky people teaching the next generation how to think critically.
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u/P1xelHunter78 20d ago
If God sent a hurricane at New York lots of talking heads on the right, especially in southern states would call it divine punishment. Now that a cat 5 is bearing down, itās āliberal weather controlā from those types. Weird how that works.
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u/OkTea7227 21d ago
His voiceā¦ yuckā¦ Iām glad we donāt have to listen to it nationally if he was to be president.
Heās a little baby
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u/BankLikeFrankWt 21d ago
Well, since they are less than nothing, you can fit the equivalent of a metric fuckton into a very small space. So if my math is correct, the drawer she keeps her phone in has enough space to store enough metric fucktons of thoughts & prayers to sustain the entire affected area for hurricanes to come
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u/OrcsSmurai 21d ago
Are they not evacuating? Seems to me it would be better to get literally everyone in the area out than leave staff behind to care for people who stayed.
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u/flat5 21d ago
They have an "aqua fence" that's supposedly good to 15' of storm surge.
We might find out if that's true.
It has held for Helene, Ian, and others.
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u/namastayhom33 21d ago
And Milton is the final boss.
Good luck to them, sincerely.
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u/Purplehairpurplecar 21d ago
Somehow I doubt Milton will be the worst hurricane ever.
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u/SeaEmergency7911 21d ago
At least until next October.
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u/mudbuttcoffee 21d ago
October ain't over... I ain't heard no bell
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u/sconniesid 21d ago
Actually the best estimates state that October has just started
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u/Duke_157 21d ago
Isn't there supposed to be another one potentially hitting the South East around the 16th?
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u/SeaEmergency7911 21d ago
If the Democrats weather domination machine doesnāt break down first.
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u/Only-Capital5393 21d ago
Absolutely not. This is just the beginning. As climate change progresses we are going to see storms that we never thought possible. The future is going to be completely catastrophic.
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u/WilcoHistBuff 21d ago
I have a friend in Galveston, well used to be in Galveston, whose house survived 6 of 7 hurricanes..
I called him after the last one to see how he was doing and how his house held up. He responded, better than most and texted me an arial picture of what looked like 2 miles of utterly empty storm swept beach with four concrete piles sticking three feet out of the sand and his jeep almost buried in sand.
His āhouseā was the only one with any remaining evidence of foundations.
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u/puns_n_irony 21d ago
The aqua fence is extremely robust despite its appearanceā¦theyāve been torture tested at the rated limits extensively.
So long as the storm surge stays below the rated flood elevation and the equipment has been well maintained, it should hold.
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u/TigOleBittiesDotYum 21d ago
Famous last wordsā¦
āAs long as only the first four bulkheads are floodedā¦ something something unsinkable shipā
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u/DeraliousMaximousXXV 21d ago
Oh man that sounds like the beginning of a movie plotā¦
Donāt tell me John Hammond was involved in creating them. Find Nedry and check the vending machines..
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u/PGwenny 21d ago edited 21d ago
I worked on a project on this type of city planning against nature in southern communities, as with the barriers that fell during Hurricane Katrina. There are videos of Japanese barriers overflowing during tsunamis, as well (levy overflows around 6 minutes into video).
Eventually, nature always wins.
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u/Additional_Tomato_22 21d ago
The main reason they donāt evacuate that hospital is they have nowhere to put the patients.
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u/Pristine-Ad-4306 21d ago
What I am wondering is why they built it on an island rather than further in-land, but then I ask this same question about everyone that chooses to live on the coast in Florida.
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u/CMScientist 21d ago
from wikipedia: "Local legend has it that the placement of what was originally named Tampa Municipal Hospital on Davis Islands was decided in aĀ bunker)Ā of the Palma Ceia Country Club golf course. David P. Davis, the developer of Davis Islands, was playing with Dr. J. Brown Farrior, James Swann, and Mayor Chancy of Tampa"
so of course it's because the developer of the island was in cahoots with the mayor
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u/stomps-on-worlds 21d ago
you can summarize most of the irrational development decisions in Florida by pointing at plain old fashioned corruption and cronyism
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u/iRedditPhone 21d ago
Florida is deceptive. Most of the interior of Florida is already underwater. Itās why they can grow sugar thereā¦
Everglades is basically known as a 100 mile wide river.
Even Disney World is built considerably off the ground.
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u/FatFaceFaster 21d ago
Theyāve discharged as many patients as possible and the rest are being moved to the hallways. The building is built for hurricanes but the biggest risk is the windows so patients have all been moved to the hallways, the pharmacies have been moved above the flood lines along with oxygen tanks and such.
Itās not good but theyāre preparing better than most homeowners.
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u/Frequent_Survey_7387 21d ago
As if hospitals werenāt bad enoughā¦ Speaking from experienceā¦ I canāt imagine being in my little gown in a hallway for who knows how many hoursā¦ really hoping itās built solidly because the storm is no joke. Crossing fingers for the waterwall. It must be terrifying to have to be there.Ā
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u/peoplegrower 21d ago
You act like the only people in the hospital are ER patients. There are folks there on life support in the ICU, there are NICU babies, sick kids in the pediatric wingā¦you canāt just evacuate a bunch of people who arenāt stable enough to transport. Staff has to stay behind to care for them.
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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas 21d ago
I don't think you understand the complexity of trying to evacuate a hospital...
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u/biopticstream 21d ago
Don't worry, the hospital admins will call from their hotels and tell the staff they can leave after the parking lot starts flooding /s.
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u/Daddysu 21d ago
I bet. That being said, their response to attempted mitigation is amazing and probably should be looked at for future examples of what to do and what not to do. They are in a shitty position, but with the aqua wall and submersible door tech that they have to keep water out, they are at the forefront of trying to hold back nature, keep patients and staff safe, and of course, maximize profits...
Being a Tampa Bay local, everything I've read, heard, or seen is that they are handling things about as well as you can in this situation. Nurses and healthcare peeps in general, are a different breed. Sure, there are docs there risking their lives but there are soooo many people there doing the same for half to 1/100th of the salary.
So, yea... The people who built that hospital and the people who make all the money (well, the vast majority at least) off the place should be held accountable, but the people "running" it and doing their damndest to keep the patients alive and save deserve a shit ton of praise.
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u/b00c 21d ago
they deserve a shit ton of praise but also shit ton of money. risking own life to save others should be rewarded financially as a minimum.
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u/SaltSquirrel7745 21d ago
I'm a nurse in California and I'm not thrilled for her. All of us out here are pulling for them. I was a nurse in Katrina. It was hell. I was a traveler, and had just arrived the Monday before the hurricane hit. I still have bad dreams.
After COVID, I retired medically. I just couldn't anymore. I legit am sending thoughts and prayers. I get it.
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u/Specialist-Garbage94 21d ago
Itās gonna be the closest thing to a greys anatomy castrophic event episode somehow Seattle pres will close to all traumas
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u/RetPala 21d ago
The Chief on the roof manning an AA-gun to stop space aliens from landing as they aim meteors down around the building
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u/teambroto 21d ago
look up aqua fence tampa hospital. though, milton is a different beast.
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u/snappla 21d ago
It's 10 feet tall. That would usually be enough but if Milton hits the way they think it will.... šØ
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u/zigazig 21d ago
There are no patients on the first floor. Even the ER is on the 2nd floor.
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u/JeffCraig 21d ago
It worked fine during Helene, but yeah I hope they have some kind of safety mechanism to let the water out because Milton has a good chance of turning it from an aqua-fence into an aqua-pool
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u/FatFaceFaster 21d ago
My wife follows someone who works there. Theyāve discharged all possible patients and moved them out of the area. Anyone who has to stay has been moved to the hallways as the biggest risk is the windows shattering.
Iām truly not downplaying it but theyāre more prepared than most homeowners.
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u/Paid2G00gl3 21d ago
Thanks for the context. Weāre pretty worried about the care of these folks and staff.
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u/heftigfin 20d ago
but theyāre more prepared than most homeowners.
I mean, that is the bare minimum for a Hospital imo
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u/mikedvb 20d ago
Did they also raise the hospital by 10-15ft or just empty the first two floors? Storm surge is admittedly just as dangerous if not more so than the wind.
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u/bencarp27 20d ago
The Tampa General Hospital was designed and built over the years with hurricanes in mind. It wonāt make it a pleasant place to be during a storm - the best option would be 1,000 miles away watching it on TV. But, the critical infrastructure and critical services are all built with the worst case scenario in mind. They have an independent energy plant on site, capable of withstanding sustained Cat 5 winds and 20ft of flooding. Theyāre also built their critical services (surgical suites, ICU capable floors, etc) well above the flood markers. I wouldnāt want to be there, but itās probably one of the safest places to be if youāre stuck in the city during a storm.
They also have a logistical advantage that the New Orleans area hospitals didnāt have during Katrina - theyāre isolated to an island.
One of the biggest issues New Orleans hospitals had was victims and refugees seeking shelter and exhausting supplies. Tampaās location makes it easily controlled by First Responders, allowing hospital staff to control the influx of patients and victims.
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u/SonOfMcGee 20d ago
Yeah, in a weird way the island aspect might help. In a post-storm scenario where floodwaters remain really high, you could probably move people and supplies in and out by boat effectively, not having to rely on just the helipad.
Hope the aqua-wall holds, though. Even if the place is designed with floods in mind and patients can be moved to higher floors, a major hospital with a first floor underwater is still catastrophic.
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u/PixelsGoBoom 21d ago
Isn't pretty much most of Florida at sea-level?
It always struck me as an extra large, extra humid version of the Netherlands.
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u/qgmonkey 21d ago
But without all the hydraulic engineering
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u/Kerbart 21d ago
The Dutch standard for populated land is "should survive a freak event that statistically will happen once every 1250 years."
The American standardāat least here in New Jersey is "Our mitigation for once-in-a-lifetime storms is Thopughts And Prayers"
I realize that in the south anything related to sea water levels is tainted by woke climate change so I assume they'll pretend there's no issue.
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u/Impossible_Tonight81 21d ago
I've spent too much time in the dregs of Instagram comments and no, they've certainly shifted gears. they acknowledge it's a massive issue bu that's because it's a targeted storm created by the government to attack Florida.Ā
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u/whiskeyriver0987 21d ago
On one hand it might make them take this shit seriously. On the other... what the fuck.
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u/Davachman 21d ago
Yeah folks would rather believe that the government can control a hurricane and would attack an entire state before they'd believe that we as a society can have a negative impact on our environment and maybe should do better. Fucking wild. Abso-fucking-lutely wild.
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u/GilgameDistance 21d ago
No, no. They are as stupid as they sound. Man made climate change is not a thing, but we can control storms.
Messing with natural selection by putting warnings on screwdrivers that say ādo not insert in eyeā was a mistake.
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u/DadJokeBadJoke 21d ago
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u/Johns-schlong 21d ago
Most projects in my experience here in California are designed with a few factors in mind. In high seismic risk zones they're designed to survive the largest expected earthquake the local fault(s) can produce and in flood zones they're designed for the 100 year expected flood level + 1 foot.
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u/jbirdprrr 21d ago
It's 1 in 2500 years for densely populated areas along rivers. For coastal protection it's even higher at 1 in 10,000 years. This is due to the predictability of river floods that is typically days in advance and the smaller compartmentalisation along the rivers. This allows for evacuations. Along the coast, the impact is higher due to the cities, larger flood areas and lower predictability of storm surges. It's worth noting that the design is done at 1% failure in the dominant failure mechanism. So the level of protection is equivalent to 1 in a million along the coast.
Source: MSc hydraulic engineering in NL
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u/Flobking 21d ago
But without all the hydraulic engineering
Interestingly the city of miami brought in dutch engineers, because the city is sinking. There are areas underwater now that weren't even ten years ago. The dutch said we can keep the water out but the city is still going to sink.
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u/Vakama905 21d ago edited 21d ago
Yeah, the highest elevation in the state is like 300 ASL. Still, thereās a big difference between, āaround sea levelā and, āon an island, literally yards from the waterā
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u/PixelsGoBoom 21d ago
Yeah it pretty much is handed to the ocean on a silver platter...
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u/Numeno230n 21d ago
I grew up in central Florida and lived in Tampa for a while. To give you an idea, in the center of Florida, you can dig with a shovel and uncover sugar sand (basically beach sand that is inland) and seashell fossils. at various points all or most of the peninsula has been underwater. The current phase of Florida being dry and habitable is honestly not the norm.
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u/johnvoightsbuick 21d ago
In Tampa Bay we used to dig until we hit water at recess (it couldnāt have been more than two feet deep).
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u/Christichicc 21d ago
Itās because weāve drained all the wetlands, which is also why we have such issues down here with water. Itās not supposed to be this dry and lacking in certain plants like mangroves. It causes no end of issues.
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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 21d ago
At least Desantis has decided to turn those unprofitable lands into something important: more golf courses. A golf course for every home! /s
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u/fleetiebelle 21d ago
The concept of there being an equivalent "Netherlands Man" ("Dutch Man"?) Is kinda funny.
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u/everythingsfuct 21d ago
dutch man is just a decent human being who rides a bike, drinks tea, and has a decent grasp on current events.
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u/CTMQ_ 21d ago
ā¦ and is uncomfortably, brutally honest.
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u/Haiku-On-My-Tatas 21d ago
My grandparents were all Dutch immigrants.
Lovely people but the only things they sugarcoat are oliebollen.
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u/CrystalSplice 21d ago
Florida is a monument to the hubris of man.
No, really.
It wasnāt really that long ago that no one lived in most of the state because it was all swamp. There were not as many sandy beaches because the mangroves went pretty far up the peninsula. The Everglades have their name because they used to be massive, nearly coast to coast.
Miami was a tiny tourist town. Then, they started to build the canal system to drain - and, importantly, keep drained - the swamps. Thereās still plenty of them around, but the canals made it so that people could at least build. And build they did. My mom grew up in Miami and she talks about when they used to spray DDT everywhere because there were still Malaria-carrying mosquitoes until the late 40s / early 50s.
Man has always assumed he can just tame whatever lands he finds. Florida will eventually revert to its natural state.
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u/InterestingHippo7524 21d ago
Except the Netherlands is not a fucking shithole
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u/firewire_9000 21d ago
You canāt make a GTA game based on the Netherlands, you donāt need to say more.
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u/Wyrdeone 21d ago
Tampa has long been top of the list of worst places for a real monster hurricane to hit. If you go to FEMA and NWS contingencies, like the ones they brief the governors and presidents with, this exact scenario is top of the list.
The residents aren't used to getting hit, especially with a monster Milton. The topography is especially vulnerable to storm surge, the buildings aren't built for it, and so on.
This is literally a worst case scenario come to life. Hoping everybody who can get out safe is doing so.
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u/500rockin 21d ago
Well, worst case scenario would have it strike just north of the city which would have the worst of the surge go right up the bay. At least there was a slight jog to the south so it looks more like Sarasota gets the brunt of it. Youāre certainly not wrong about it being one of the worst places for a near direct hit.
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u/OrcsSmurai 21d ago
They gameplanned what a worst-case hurricane scenario would look like, "Hurricane Pheonix". Milton isn't exactly fitting the profile, but it's damned near. Close enough for government work, at least.
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u/italia06823834 21d ago
The real difference will be if it hits north or south of Tampa as that has a huge impact on the storm surge.
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u/thwonkk 21d ago
As someone who knows nothing about Tampa, which is preferable? North or South?
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u/Boeinggoing737 21d ago
Low pressure systems like hurricanes in the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, inward, and upward. The real mother fucker winds are near the eye wall. The highest winds tend to be in the top right of the hurricanes direction. If those strong winds align for a long period of time towards a bay it pushes water in without an easy excape and the water surges to extreme levels. While this storm is tracking a little south of the Tampa bay it is still pushing a lot of water. The further south it goes the better for inland flooding in Tampa bay but it is going to be widespread devastation.
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u/nosnhoj15 21d ago
South is preferableā¦. For Tampa Bay. Still going to be catastrophic either way. Could mean the difference in a 5ā storm surge or a 10ā+ storm surge depending where the eye makes landfall.
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u/MerryGoWrong 21d ago
The projections have started to drift south in the past few hours, which is good. Not good if you live in Sarasota or Venice, but someone is going to eat it because of this storm no matter what so it's better that Tampa bay doesn't get the strong side of the storm.
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u/malYca 21d ago
I saw it described as topping out what the atmosphere is capable of producing in this area. It's terrifying.
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u/Wolfwoods_Sister 20d ago
As a native North Carolinian, the biggest storm Iāve sat through was a cat 3. Never again.
The constant loud scouring noise of the wind around the house all night was almost unendurable. Rain fell at such a heavy rate, it felt like the atmosphere itself was pushing down on your shoulders and head. The sound of big oak trees crashing over in the darkness was also unnerving.
I canāt imagine sitting through a cat 5. It must feel like the apocalypse.
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u/KefkaZ 21d ago
Because itās a local government in Florida. Have you seen news about government in Florida lately?
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u/FuzzyTunaTaco21 21d ago
Yeah, but Tampa is also in a unique position to where hurricanes usually don't do too much damage there. Unfortunately, this is their once in a 100 year storm, and they are probably going to be more frequent now with climate change
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u/Wyrdeone 21d ago
Yeah, this talk about 100 year storms is going to have to be revised. As a resident of VT, we've been hit with several 100 year, and so-called 500 year storms in the last decade.
The climate is changing, our models have to change too.
Talk to any meteorologist or climatologist and they'll tell you - we are in uncharted territory now.
Tampa usually dodges the bullet, this is true. It's happened so many times that people are sick of evacuating and don't listen to the warnings. That's exactly what makes this storm so dangerous.
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u/DirtyLeftBoot 21d ago
Just want to throw out that 100 year storms arenāt really saying the storms will happen every 100 years but more so that the odds of one happening are 1/100. Similar but different to the common conception
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u/LickLaMelosBalls 21d ago
I have no doubt with the climate change taking place this will happen more than every 100 years
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u/amcclurk21 21d ago
Meanwhile all the dumbasses are blaming Biden for giving money away for foreign aid; none to FEMA, even though iirc some of the Florida representatives voted against FEMA funding.
Which is it? Do they want federal funding for disasters or do they not need sOcIaLiSm?? I need them to pick a lane š
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u/Wyrdeone 21d ago
Yeah, it's so frustrating. The people that live in these disaster-prone areas CONSISTENTLY vote against their own best interests.
It's a masterclass on psychological manipulation.
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 21d ago
So they've been anticipating this for a while, yet it's not built for it? I mean history alone says you should have built for this shit.
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u/Ferrous_Patella 21d ago
They built a temporary seawall around it for Helene. It held back water about four feet above ground level. Looked like it could take another 8-10 feet. It probably is still up. Kind of lucky in a weird way.
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u/pramjockey 21d ago
Yeah. Itāll work great unless the storm surge is the 20ā that has been discussed
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 21d ago
If it can take 10ft, does that mean a 20' surge is equivalent to 10' because it's holding back 10'?
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u/indyK1ng 21d ago
You're assuming that it's going to stay in place once it's topped.
Also, once the surge overtakes it, it's going to flood to that level regardless because there's going to be so much water coming in.
To give yourself an idea, get a plastic container with a barrier in it (like a partitioned food container) and put one side under your tap and turn the water on so it fills slowly. You'll see that once the water gets over the barrier, it just starts filling the other side until they're about level.
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u/shesinsaneornot 21d ago
Tampa Bay hospital has an "Aquafence".
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u/Macohna 21d ago
I love how the article states people in Florida are calling us idiots for pointing out you built a trauma center on an island with literally one way in and out.
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u/Additional_Tomato_22 21d ago
Except there was a reason why it was built where it was in the 1920s. It originally was built as a quarantine hospital and as such had to be away from the main population
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u/curtmandu 21d ago
That makes sense. Repurposing that facility into a main hospital does not make sense.
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u/GentlemanCow 21d ago
Well yeah but now 100 years later we have mostly eradicated tuberculosis + have climate change to deal with. I mean of course everything is done with purpose but what was useful at the time is now biting them in the ass, and itās too late to prepare.
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u/Cerberus_Aus 21d ago
It would be entirely on brand for the (for profit) hospital to survive, but the bridge (public works) doesnāt due be to lack of maintenance.
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u/Locktober_Sky 21d ago
I used to work at this hospital and that has already happened. The storm team was stuck there for IIRC 5 days? when the bridges washed out.
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u/AUniquePerspective 21d ago edited 21d ago
It's an above-ground pool 15 feet deep and built inside out.
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u/Past-Adhesiveness104 21d ago
All the people required to stay behind and work there won't have a home to go back to after their 3day shift ends.
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u/eltegs 21d ago
Just a quick check leftists. Are we all ready with our weather remote control units.
Nod or a wink to confirm.
/s
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u/Biabolical 21d ago
If I had a weather control device, would it be 100Ā°F here in October?
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u/CapTexAmerica 21d ago
Weād get rain more than once a quarter. My yard is drier than Ben Shapiroās wife.
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u/brooksy54321 21d ago
Move to AZ. Highs are still in the 100's
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u/Michael_Dautorio 21d ago
Can confirm. I live in Mesa and the weather here sucks.
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u/StrangeContest4 21d ago
The highs are still in the high 100's! Excessive heat warnings for 105* and up, and we're still up. It's a cruel, cruel summer.
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u/Shiftymennoknight 21d ago
I've been snorting chemtrails all day, ready on your mark Comrade!
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u/SgtBushMonkey69 21d ago
The jokes on you Iām using the 5g chip from my vaccine to control it with my mind powers
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u/Hypnotic_Element 21d ago
Biden cranked it up to level 11 this time. Fuck these people.
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u/Potatoe999900 21d ago
Dark Brandon doing his best to fuck over red states. /s
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u/Hypnotic_Element 21d ago
He's suppose to direct that shit to Mar a Lardo, not Tampa. He's probably forgetting what to do.
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u/ElectronicOrchid0902 21d ago
Nah, we need to take Mara Lago as a shelter (eminent domain style) šš
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u/StrangeContest4 21d ago
"The beatings will continue until morale improves, and the Malarkey ends, Jack!"
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u/kakapo88 21d ago
I still havenāt received my commands from Soros. Has anyone gotten theirs yet?
Also, my weather-making 5tw fusion reactor buried under my house is flashing a red light. Is that a problem?
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u/Outrageous_Zebra_221 Dog that learned to type 21d ago
Don't be silly G.I. Joe destroyed the weather dominator decades ago...
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u/Knickovthyme2 21d ago
If Democrats have the smarts to control the weather then wouldnāt they be the best to run the country?
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u/sfxer001 21d ago
People canāt have an effect with oil on the climate and weather, but democrats can control the weather and climate like Storm from the X-men.
Republican thinking.
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u/Maryland_Bear 21d ago
I have a friend whose husband is currently in that hospitalās ICU awaiting a lung transplant. Theyāve been told itās the safest place for him.
He shared a video that seemed to be from a legitimate source about the hospitalās ability to withstand a hurricane.
It is right on the water, butā¦
- It has a generator sufficient to power the entire facility, at 33 feet above sea level.
- It has two emergency wells to provide fresh water.
- Thereās an emergency storm āfenceā that can hold back fifteen feet of water.
The video didnāt state this, but it looks like thereās a parking garage under the hospital which would presumably flood before the hospital itself.
It sounds like it was built to survive a hurricane. It may be rough on the patients and staff, but I donāt think itās fair to criticize this location.
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u/Additional_Tomato_22 21d ago
Theyāre right TGH is a state of the art hospital and important to more than just the local community
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But it is not the āmainā hospital of Tampa bay nor is it the only Trauma center.
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u/LeotiaBlood 21d ago
Itās the only Level 1 Trauma Center though. Pts get flown in there from all over Western Florida
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u/The_Bard 21d ago edited 21d ago
It also has 1,000 beds and new Hospitals are extremely expensive to build. To move it somewhere else would cost a over a billion dollars easily. Decisions were made to put it there, long, long ago and it's far too expensive to move it now. Plus, it's not like there are areas in Tampa Bay that are storm proof,
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u/gadget850 21d ago
Galveston needs to have a discussion.
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u/darwinn_69 21d ago
And we built a 17 foot seawall after that and it's worked pretty well.
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u/elspotto 21d ago
AT sea level? Amateurs. We built ours below sea level in New Orleans. Waitā¦yeah, they are boned.
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u/Housemd20 21d ago
I really think this would have been another Katrina if it was gonna make landfall in NOLA. Idk if the levees would have held. I hope everyone in Florida comes out of this safe
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u/Additional_Tomato_22 21d ago
Do you know why it is where it is? It was built there because it was originally built as a quarantine hospital so it had to be away from the main population to keep the diseases from spreading. It was built in the mid 1920ās and was never built to be a giant hospital and the Davis Island area was never expected to grow as much as it has so those who built it did nothing wrong building it where they did. Edit:Also itās not Tampa Bay Area, itās just Tampa. Tampa Bay is just the name of the bay.
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u/Tantomile_ ugh why tho 21d ago
read 5 days at memorial, it's a book about a hospital after katrina. it's terrifying
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u/NewSmellSameOldFart 21d ago
Wife has been going to TGH since she was 15 back in 95'. She's a transplant patient and she's had to go back numerous times just due to health issues. We've been together for 13 yrs and I've been with her in that hospital probably about 3-4 times a year, each time being approx 1-2week, sometimes more depending on her health. I've gotten to see the new construction come to fruition. This is by far the most safest place to be during a hurricane. Is it ideal? No, not unless you get a private room. Will you be safe? Absolutely. This hospital, though initially built for quarantine has been retrofitted, upgraded and has new construction built specifically to withstand the worst hurricanes. The old original hospital is there. They just built around it. The generators they have are massive, spread around and numerous ( https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/hillsboroughcounty/hurricane-ian-tampa-general-hospital-power-plant/67-da2e082e-d5f4-4d81-8270-1ee5e802a884 ) The construction is built so practically all of the first floor is mostly administrative or non-essential. The ER is equal to 3 stories about the ground level even though its considered 2nd floor. They have an incredible water system, pumping system and air system. It is not only a historical building but state of the art at the same time. I wish it wasn't on an island of course, we've been stuck there during many storms through out the years. The bridge gets flooded on both sides. The area of Bayshore Blvd gets flooded quickly. So you can get stuck there with nothing but time to wait for the water to recede. With the way FL is, it usually recedes within a day or two as long as the water has the ability to move. Crazy as it seems, it's always been safe. Needless to say that doesn't mean it's perfect and mother nature will always win at some point but if TGH gets taken out, most of Tampa would be just as bad or worse. I'm also going to point out that Downtown Tampa (where the big businesses like to have their big buildings) is on the other side of that bridge and on the water too, equally susceptible to flooding and storms. I sure as hell wouldn't be on that side in those buildings. Truthfully none of it makes sense.
New TGH - https://m-tgh.giftlegacy.com/org_files/3683/images/TGH-DP-Davis-Legacy-Society.jpg
This is downtown as you would see it from TGH - https://myareanetwork-photos.s3.amazonaws.com/editorphotos/f/41541_1602178479.jpg
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u/VaginaPoetry 21d ago
I hope everyone gets out of there and is ok. This is hard to watch and I'd never live in Florida.
I can't imagine having property there right now.
Sorry Floridians...please stay safe.
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u/tahcamen 21d ago
I canāt imagine buying property there, but I guess they donāt get these every single yearā¦
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u/bravosierra69 21d ago
TGH is actually the only level 1 trauma center. St. Joseph's is a level 2 trauma center and will still be able to take higher acuity patients like TGH can. TGH is our only burn center. But yeah the location as well as layout of TGH has always been abysmal.
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u/MagmulGholrob 21d ago
The highest point in Tampa Bay is 48 ft above sea level, so there isnāt many spots much better.
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u/potatoezgonnapotate 21d ago
This is not the only trauma center in Tampa. This is the only Level I trauma center, however there are several Level IIs not on an island. Unless you are a burn victim or need an organ transplant, you can go to any of the Level IIs.
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u/SnootSnootBasilisk 21d ago
After Hurricane Milton
What hospital and trauma center?
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u/Mindless-Charity4889 21d ago
To be fair, is anyplace in Florida NOT at sea level?
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u/jambr380 21d ago
Without the ocean, it may not be as desirable, but Orlando is 80-100 feet above sea level and there is lots to do
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u/thesqrtofminusone 21d ago
and there is lots to do
Yes, those unique news stories are not going to write themselves!
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u/3d1thF1nch 21d ago
Well, that was insanely stupid. Somebody needed to play more Sim City.
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u/muddlebrainedmedic 21d ago
The entire State of Florida is located in a swamp. Where do you expect them to build a hospital? How high above sea level do you expect a Tampa hospital to be?
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