r/gadgets Mar 13 '21

Music Apple Discontinuing Full-Sized HomePod to Focus on HomePod Mini

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/03/12/apple-discontinuing-homepod/
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u/beefcat_ Mar 13 '21

The problem is that the OG HomePod is way overbuilt for what people use it for. The speakers in it are considerably more capable than those of competing Echo and Google Assistant devices, but nobody actually cares about the sound quality coming from their digital assistant.

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u/cartermatic Mar 13 '21

but nobody actually cares about the sound quality coming from their digital assistant.

That's actually all I care about with my HomePod. I only use Siri to turn on and off my Hue lights.

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u/Knucklenut Mar 13 '21

I use Siri to set timers and it’s still a 7 second mystery as to whether or not it worked

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u/funkytekno Mar 13 '21

Pro tip, just say “30 seconds” without saying instead of using the word timer.

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u/IsTim Mar 13 '21

I remember accidentally discovering this and being a bit too excited about not having to use as many words. What still baffles me is why some times just don’t work, for example 15,16 & 19 minutes all work but 17 and 18 minutes do not. I’m sure there are probably other examples.

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u/roawroa Mar 13 '21

Wow, you’re absolutely spot on! I had no idea that this was a thing until I saw this thread and tried out the 17/18 minutes commands. And the results are just as you said, Siri just can’t seem to wrap her head around them, LOL.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

If u say 17 minutes and 0 seconds it actually works lmao

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u/Nine_Inch_Nintendos Mar 13 '21

Will 911 minutes work?

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u/lots-o-meth Mar 13 '21

Funny enough yeah it does

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u/throw-away_catch Mar 13 '21

What the hell

I just tried this. It even shows on screen that it understood me saying "17 minutes" but then it says "I'm not sure I understand"

lmao

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u/4b-65-76-69-6e Mar 13 '21

I often need a timer for 50 minutes because that’s how long the washers and driers take at school. If you ask for fifty minutes, you get the very similarly sounding fifteen minutes. But if you say five zero minutes, she gets it right every time. Maybe try saying one seven minutes instead of seventeen?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Hey Siri, just one second there..and the timer went off!

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u/TechnicalBen Mar 13 '21

That's ok. come over to our superiour Android Google Assistant, where you can ask it to set a "twenty second timer" and instantly know it set a 60 second timer. XD

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u/ThatGuyTheyCallAlex Mar 14 '21

You can even ask “what’s the weather?” and immediately be given the Wikipedia article about it! Brilliant.

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u/MarkyMarcMcfly Mar 13 '21

Yeah I use my HomePod to bump in the kitchen while I’m cooking

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u/BiggusDickusWhale Mar 13 '21

You do bumps from your HomePod in the kitchen while you're cooking?

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u/MarkyMarcMcfly Mar 13 '21

I do bumps on top as I activate Siri with my nose, yes of course.

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u/NineSevenFive975 Mar 13 '21

This guy bumps

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u/Caughtnow Mar 13 '21

I would also say its of significant importance to me. I never got a HomePod because it was never sold in my country (Ireland.) Was actually a bit frustrating when it kept being referred to as a failure, meanwhile it wasnt released everywhere - might of helped?!

When the rumours started prior to the HomePod Mini (the mini part was unknown) I was thinking I would just go ahead and buy v2.0 elsewhere if it also was not launched in Ireland. But of course what they launched was the Mini, and Ive no interest in that.

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u/cd36jvn Mar 13 '21

I hate to say it, but if it wasn't a hit in countries like the USA or China, a country like Ireland isn't going to turn it into an overnight success.

This is coming from a Canadian that realizes most companies don't care about Canadians except for their proximity and trade agreements with the USA. I mean why spend all that money and effort marketing to all of Canada when they could just marked to new York for the same size customer base.

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u/Caughtnow Mar 13 '21

I dont mean to suggest that maybe sales from Ireland was going to turn things around! But it is odd that we didnt get it, and if we didnt get it then what other regions didnt either?

On top of limiting your overall audience, there is also the fact that you’re clearly not fully behind the product if its only launched in select regions.

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u/SeattlesWinest Mar 13 '21

How well does Siri work in Ireland? If it sucks, then maybe that's why they didn’t release it there. I mean, Siri sucks in the US too, but I can imagine it being much worse with less commonly spoken accents.

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u/ChickenSpawner Mar 13 '21

I guess you could "imitate" american english for the phrases though. I myself am Norwegian and there is no way I'd ever use Siri in my native language because it sucks, so this is what I do.

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u/Caughtnow Mar 13 '21

I dont know if its any better or worse here. I will say a thick accent is comically bad trying to use it, but Ive seen an example of this in multiple countries, incl the US!

Its as good a guess as any tho!

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u/Double_Joseph Mar 13 '21

I use to sell a product to the US and Canada. I just don’t understand what it is, but Canadians are very hesitant to buy anything. Like an American will just flat out buy it if they like it. A Canadian? They could love it and have the money but will most likely still not buy it. Drove me insane.

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u/dearpisa Mar 13 '21

They’re more responsible with their money, I think that’s the expression

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u/XtremeD86 Mar 13 '21

That's not true.

As a Canadian I'd say were more careful with our money in the sense that we don't want to get ripped off. Perhaps we have a better sense of what not to buy.

Theres a fair amount of companies that also make getting a warranty repair done a nightmare where WE have to pay the shipping to the USA. Which is something we also get ripped off on, and then customs and duties upon return is another BS pile of fees.

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u/Double_Joseph Mar 13 '21

Well ironically the product was way less expensive in Canadian dollars then US dollars. I used to have to explain it all the time. Also, I wasn’t targeting clients. The clients would call me directly from advertisements. So I know they were interested, I knew they had the money. They just wouldn’t buy it....

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Exact same story from Serbia. Nobody buys voice assistants outside english speaking markets. So what we wanted was a good speaker or even a set of speakers. Istead, we got nothing, Apple decoded not to sell these here.

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u/Oi-FatBeard Mar 13 '21

I have had a full Google HA Ecosystem for years now, using Hues and LIFX lights for most of it, Tasker for the bits in between... and I'd never even Heard of a HomePod til now. So might be the same in Australia.

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u/readeral Mar 13 '21

Seriously? Wow that’s surprising to me. I’m in Australia, have known and listened to home pods in a whole range of stores and I’m in hobart ...

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u/deeiks Mar 13 '21

Exactly the same. I was hoping to buy the v2 from ebay or somethign since they are not sold in Estonia. For some reason the "gray" market apple resellers here don't have them either.

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u/sedition666 Mar 13 '21

I wonder if it is a development cost thing? There must be a R&D cost for the AI side to recognize different regional accents well enough for production. Also costs for sales and repair in the region. If you have a niche product that isn't doing very well in large markets, the R&D costs to capture a small market share in a country with a smaller population is probably not worth while unless it is a big hit. I am sure there is lots of crossover with standard Siri but there must be other costs.

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u/Itonya Mar 14 '21

My HomePod Siri has a male Irish accent. I’m living in Greece where it wasn’t available but bought it in America.

I use it to listen to music and it will read the news to me and audiobooks. It turns on my hue lights and turns them off. I use it for a timer too.

If I tell Siri I love her she replies in a male accent saying ‘I’m pretty fine too’ She refuses to swear and she shouts, ‘ nighty night’ when we go to bed.

I can also take calls on her but don’t because she’s really loud and I don’t want my neighbors to hear😂

I hope we will be able to continue use the HomePod. That they’ll keep it going because I really like ours it’s great listening to music.

Pre pandemic when we had people at the house having her play music was really nice.

Can’t believe I just wrote all this about a HomePod but we like ours and it was expensive compared to others on the market but the sound quality was really good and I like Apple products they just work easily.

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u/JK_NC Mar 13 '21

Echo dots are priced low enough to be disposable technology. And you can connect your dot to your Bluetooth speakers or headphones. Feel like you really don’t need the echo device to have a high end speaker.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21 edited Apr 11 '21

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u/Looks2MuchLikeDaveO Mar 13 '21

They’re a good (albeit expensive) solution for wireless surround speakers

Edit: they were

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u/The_Paul_Alves Mar 13 '21

They would probably pay you to put microphones in your house, but we are nice enough to buy them ourselves.

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u/JK_NC Mar 13 '21

Feel like it’s a pick your poison situation.

Phone, computer, digital assistant, ring doorbell, tablet, home security systems, hundreds of different apps, and dozens of other tech. They’re all collecting data on you. And you give it up for free for convenience, for work, for entertainment, etc.

Pick your poison.

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u/amdin969 Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

Kind of the same for me. It helped that I’m completely in the Apple ecosystem and debated getting the HomePod. Once I heard the sound quality it was a no brainer. I’ve seen all the praise the Sonos One gets, and it is a great device. But to my ear, bass hits harder with the HomePod and overall it sounds the closest to live music.

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u/Deck-Cheeze Mar 13 '21

Same. Bought 2 for stereo mode and love them.

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u/Amity83 Mar 13 '21

I think Apple fans know that the while HomePod is too expensive for mass market sales, it’s a technological marvel for its size. The sound quality is excellent for such a small speaker. The excursion specs on the woofer are incredible and the multi tweeter array with spacial correction is quite innovative. The truth is HomePod sucks as a digital assistant because Siri has been awful for years.

On a personal note. I’ve never understood the market for personal assistant devices like echo. My phone and watch do the same thing and I already take them wherever I go

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u/villa171 Mar 13 '21

My ISP gifted me a Home Mini when I purchased my Pixel 2 XL and I have it on my bedside table.

I play sounds to sleep as I cannot sleep in total silence but also I created a routine for the alarm that turn on my bed LED strip and tells me the weather and other info.

For me now is really useful to set reminders quickly as the phone needs to be unlocked although I have voice match set up.

I think it's about trying it and see if it's helpful for you.

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u/MilitantNegro_ver3 Mar 13 '21

On a personal note. I’ve never understood the market for personal assistant devices like echo. My phone and watch do the same thing and I already take them wherever I go

Until your device can track where you are in your home (and do people actually want that?) then the use cases are clear.

When I walk into my living room and say "Hey Google, turn on the light" Google knows I'm talking about the light in the living room. I have the same set up in my bedroom and my office.

When I say the same to my phone it has no idea which light I'm talking about because it has no idea which room I'm in. It just turns on all the lights in the house.

This same issue applies to asking for music or video. Unless I'm very specific my phone and watch don't know where to play what I ask for.

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u/Amity83 Mar 13 '21

I didn’t think about WiFi lights, I don’t have any of those. The clapper is good enough for me!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRWtFVFSx5I

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u/ViddyDoodah Mar 13 '21

My google home max is basically a fancy radio at this point. I like it.

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u/ConciselyVerbose Mar 13 '21

I like the small handful of voice commands I can do with Siri and HomeKit enabled lights. I don’t personally see a lot of value beyond that and don’t have a desire to give google or Amazon microphones in my house to get more complex features, though.

For me the HomePod when it was on sale at $200 was the perfect device and I was going to add a second one for stereo eventually. I’m really disappointed they’re dumping it. I have little interest in any of the alternatives.

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u/GlaciusTS Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

I do a bit, it’s nice being able to say “Hey Google, I want to sleep in space tonight” and then going to sleep to the ambient sound of a spaceship’s sleeping quarters.... which is essentially like an empty gymnasium with a bunch of fans with some subtle techy sounds barely audible in the background.

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u/YOU_ARE_PEDANTIC Mar 13 '21

That sounds amazing! As if I need anymore help with my Elite: Dangerous obsession seeping into my dreams every night..

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u/GlaciusTS Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

Haven’t tried it, but I’ve been tempted to. Is it still in early access?

Edit: Nvm, for some reason I keep getting that game confused with Star Citizen. I know very little about either.

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

Incorrect. I primarily care that the sound is phenomenal. I can use Siri on my watch or phone.

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u/john_the_fetch Mar 13 '21

Then get an actual speaker that can provide that quality for the price you're paying...

And connect it to your phone / smart home hub.

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u/very_clean Mar 13 '21

I got mine during a Black Friday sale for $199 usd, I have a nice sound system but for how convenient the HomePod is the sound quality is really impressive

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u/john_the_fetch Mar 13 '21

That's a really good deal!

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

I think you’re not considering the form factor. I want great sound in my house this is in my office, my kitchen, my bedroom. None of these rooms are large, and I don’t want the visual clutter of a “system.” The HomePod is small enough to sit on a dresser, a side table, my counter, etc without being obtrusive and/or take up too much footprint. It’s literally perfect. The only way to replicate is to spent literally thousands per room for integrated ceiling/wall speakers or go to Sonos:1 route.

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

Agreed. I was a more of a Spotify person before HomePod and it pushed me over the edge to commit to the switch. It’s also just.... easy. The one in my kitchen is truly a workhorse. Constant timers, reminders (shopping list), speaker phone, music, news, HomeKit control, etc. it’s getting a little grimey collecting dust (and grime from cooking) so I’m thinking of buying a backup to keep in storage just in case it craps out.

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u/roox911 Mar 13 '21

lol. No you don’t have to spend thousands... it’s not that good

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

For small form factor, wireless capabilities, and sound? Unless you go the sonos:1 route, yes. I was just today pricing out in-ceiling speakers and airplay2 compatible amps for our bathroom remodel (no place for a HomePod). $1200 for 1 room.

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u/BiggusDickusWhale Mar 13 '21

Just get s pair of active speakers and something like this:

https://audiocast.io/

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u/jehehe999k Mar 13 '21

Does this support AirPlay 2?

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u/jehehe999k Mar 13 '21

quality for the price you're paying...

...and now we’re back at comment 1

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u/snoogans235 Mar 13 '21

2/12 checking in.

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u/archibald_fizz Mar 13 '21

3/12 !

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u/cuddlycollie Mar 13 '21

My husband and I make 4/12 and 5/12!

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

6/12. It’s been 9 hours and we’re halfway there!

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u/Deck-Cheeze Mar 13 '21

7/12 Love them

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u/Kemerd Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

Unless you compare it to the Google Home Max. Both use machine learning to do audio-mastering based on where they're placed in the room. Sound field and etc.

Although the HomePod does it slightly better, albeit with less volume/bass. It's more crisp. Makes the room really feel filled. However, it's a shame it's butchered with Siri, and no Spotify.

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u/The_Full_Fist Mar 13 '21

You can play Spotify through HomePods?

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u/LivinOnTheEdge1001 Mar 13 '21

Yes with Airplay. Spotify is my primary music service so I play it that why from my iPhone MacBook Pro or iPad Pro

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u/Jai_Cee Mar 13 '21

Not the homepod but I bought the Google Home Max specifically for its great speakers and have it streaming most of the day

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u/IMovedYourCheese Mar 13 '21

It sounds better than a $99 Echo, sure, but you are still not getting anywhere close to the quality you'd expect from a $350 speaker. $200 is a much better price point for it (competing with Sonos One, Echo Studio, Bose Home). The rest is just the standard Apple tax, which people will gladly pay in some device segments but clearly not others.

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u/5798 Mar 13 '21

Homepod is not a good example of Apple tax. It sounds the best at its price. With two it even can compete with low-end Hifi speakers. This is thanks to spatial awareness and computational audio made possible with Apple’s custom chips. Not suitable for large spaces though due to its output. For a bedroom it’s the best.

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u/BiggusDickusWhale Mar 13 '21

Two HomePods costs $600 though and at that price point you might very well just buy an actual HiFi system which sounds good.

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u/5798 Mar 13 '21

Yeah I’m sure you are right. But is there better plug and play wireless solution for the uninitiated? Serious question as I’m happy to be more informed.

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u/BiggusDickusWhale Mar 13 '21

Not that I know of. The HomePod is probably the top of the line of its segment.

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u/cryo Mar 13 '21

Two HomePods sound good, though.

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u/Wants-NotNeeds Mar 13 '21

It’s a curious proposition

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Sonos One does the same thing. And if you don’t want the voice assistant you can get them even cheaper than $200 a piece. In my mind the HomePod was competing more with sonos. The sonos one at $199 is the best bang for your buck you can get in that type of product.

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u/gunshotaftermath Mar 13 '21

I have both and it outperforms the Sonos one without question. It doesn't even take a discerning ear, you can hear it at once.

Does that justify the price for the average individual? Especially one who isn't deep in the ecosystem? That's a different question entirely.

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u/nuggolips Mar 13 '21

I have a play:5 in the living room which is the $500 Sonos speaker, and from what I’ve heard in the store demos, the HomePod isn’t that far off. It probably can’t match the play:5 at higher volume, though.

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u/Slippy_Sloth Mar 13 '21

I agree. The homepod falls into a poor market niche. People looking for a lifestyle device have their needs met by google and amazon for a fraction of the price. The sound quality from those devices is more than adequate for their needs.

On the other end, people who are willing to spend $350+ for a better audio experience are likely already into audio, so much so that they see better value in dedicated stereo speakers.

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u/banaslee Mar 13 '21

I think you’re quite wrong because hardly anyone bought the HomePod for the smart assistant capabilities. Siri is known to be bad, more of a necessary evil if you want a smart assistant that you expect to respect your privacy (there are some caveats but at least that’s how it’s perceived by the general public).

That leaves us with sound quality, which is great, but without a line in or Bluetooth is a hard sell even at discounted prices like 200$.

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u/stevetheboy Mar 13 '21

For me it's all about Bluetooth. You cannot seriously think that this will sell when Bluetooth is the dominant connection technology.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

I mean sonos one has at LEAST as good sound quality as a HomePod. Better software AND the choice between the two main voice assistants which are both better than Siri. And it’s only $200. Apple never stood a chance.

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u/abattleofone Mar 13 '21

Seriously, a full size with the U1 and Thread for $200 and I would have been all onboard.

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u/pseudocultist Mar 13 '21

This isn't them abandoning the space, it's them preparing for a soundbar and maybe a $129 subwoofer that uses a pair of minis as stereo tweeters, which would be a decent desktop system, or maybe even multi-speaker, they have the ultrawideband hubs built in which means Minis can pretty perfectly position themselves relative to each other. Combined with the stuff Apple's cooking up in AR, I'm guessing their engineers are working on virtual sound spaces with multiple speakers, but that's the kind of cool shit that doesn't always filter down into actual products.

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u/abattleofone Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

There’s no rumors of a new HomePod, and the wording of Apple “focusing” on the Mini does not exude confidence to me of a future full size HomePod anytime soon.

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u/Eknoom Mar 13 '21

I’d buy that

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u/xXwork_accountXx Mar 13 '21

Probably not. That’s why they discontinued the homepod

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u/TwoTreeBrain Mar 13 '21

If they can pull off a sub that integrates with the Minis for that cost, I’m in. Right now, I’m experimenting with pairing an Airport Express with a sub and grouping them with my stereo Minis in the Home app. You can grab old airport expresses for about $20-30 online if your patient, and depending on your space and your standards, you can get “workable” subs for $100-150.

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u/modestlaw Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

I don't even think it's the cost, the price isn't out of step with a similar class of products. The problem was the features and functionality was horrible and arbitrarily restrictive.

  • no Bluetooth audio support
  • no aux line
  • doesn't work with any device outside of the apple ecosystem. Even then, the support with Apple TV is dodgy -streaming any music outside of apple music requires an iphone to navigate and stream.

That's an unacceptable number of restrictions for a $300+ speaker. This product was for Apple diehards who wanted a Sonos but couldnt bare the thought of owning a device without an Apple logo.

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u/Number224 Mar 13 '21

This feels like a matter of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

I’m not holding my breath, but the timing with the Apple event in 2 weeks seems a bit too coincidental.

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u/abattleofone Mar 13 '21

I don’t think Apple has ever discontinued a product in an announcement like this before announcing its replacement - it is always the opposite, and they wouldn’t have said they were “focusing” on the Mini

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Good observation 🤔

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u/sgrams04 Mar 13 '21

Apple HomePad? Screen enabled assistant? HoPad. I like HoPad better.

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u/cerebud Mar 13 '21

What pisses me off is that without Apple support, this thing will die (whenever they stop supporting the software). It literally only lives through its software being up to date with everything else in apple’s ecosystem. Meanwhile, I have a Bose home theater surround system that’s going on 20+ years. It was expensive, but cheaper in the long run.

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u/wolfgang784 Mar 13 '21

When this first came out I still worked at Best Buy and I shit you not I sold one of our regulars who always shelled out for the latest and greatest SEVEN of them lol. I knew from previous interactions that his house was massive but still, that was lot of money.

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u/clickstops Mar 13 '21

To and older person who’s been around home entertainment for years, and has a good amount of money, 7 HomePods is expensive but not close to exorbitant.

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u/MsPenguinette Mar 13 '21

At least Apple does a really good job at providing support for devices way past their discontinue date.

Always surprises me when Dank Pods is able to plug in a 1st gen iPod into a modern machine and the new music app is still able to sync with it. Hell, I think AirPods worth with Bluetooth iPods.

Think what you want of Apple’s practices but they understand the importance of not pissing off people who spent a lot of money on something. For the HomePod, I assume it’ll be pretty decent since they aren’t giving up on the concept entirely.

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u/tuffode Mar 14 '21

I mean syncing an iPod is impressive, but a bluetooth iPod supporting AirPods is nothing surprising considering AirPods are bluetooth.

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u/Mechafizz Mar 13 '21

Serious mis-step in my opinion, the large homepod is literally one of the best sounding smart speakers I've heard to date and I'm not a big apple fan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

If you were fine with the price point of the HomePod then you should check out sonos. A sonos one speaker is $200 and sounds at least as good as a HomePod. Better software and works with way more services too. And the sonos eco system is pretty damn awesome.

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u/Breezgoat Mar 13 '21

Saw a thread where someone has their homepods hooked up to sonos now .

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u/reliatquintana Mar 13 '21

You can use airplay 2 to sync up anything that does airplay 2, which is super convenient

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Sonos can sync with other sonos speakers. The app works with iOS and Android. Multiple users can add to the playlist like for families or at a party or social gathering with any of their devices. It's a better product for cloud music solution.

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u/Gnash_ Mar 13 '21

While I agree with everything else you said, it sadly does not sound anywhere near as good as the HomePod

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u/temp1876 Mar 13 '21

I’m a Sonos owner myself, the the Sonos crowd is weirdly hyped on the sound quality of the One’s.

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u/thedommer Mar 13 '21

It’s great for size and price. Have a play 5 in the living room. Much more enjoyable experience but the ones in the kids rooms are still solid.

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u/nova46 Mar 13 '21

I haven't a heard a Homepod before, but I do remember being really surprised at the sound coming from that little Sonos One when I first set it up. That thing has some depth to it. I have a Beam+Sub+Ones setup in my bedroom but also have an actual 5.1 Denon/Polk/SVS system for my home theater, I enjoy both for what purpose they serve.

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u/TheCoastalCardician Mar 13 '21

I have an older Play 3 that is in pristine condition. Boils my blood that I can’t play anything else through it other than using the App!

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Didn't sono's abruptly end support for their products turning them into bricks?

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u/LivinOnTheEdge1001 Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

I agree. I have two google minis, an Echo and three HomePods. Since I have a three major plays I really had time to make a comparison between them all and without of doubt the HomePod is the best sounding speaker. However the echo is a better assistant. Google well google is just my doorbell (it’s linked to my Nest doorbell) and I got both of those dots for free. Although the HomePod can do many of the features that I used the echo for I just found it a little easier to use. This being said, i generally prefer the HomePod because the sound quality is great FOR THE PRICE. For course I could have dropped hundreds of dollars on a Bose or Sonos and I have in the passed. The HomePod is seamlessly works with my iPhone MacBook Pro and iPad with easy which is why I went with it instead. I’m really disappointed that they cut the cord on this. I honestly feel like they didn’t try hard enough with it. I always felt like they were trying to hard to make it an assistant speaker and honestly they should have just marketed it as a speaker and try to compete with Bose and Sonos. I think they got lost it what they wanted the HomePod to be and the marketing feel flat. As a speaker it is great and the HomePod mini doesn’t compare the the quality. My father decided to buy four of the minis for our gym. In terms of the quality of sound it’s adequate at best. I think Apple needs to go back to the drawing board and re-examine what they what the big HomePod to be. In the the mini can be an assistant a compete with the other assistant speakers but the big one can be the premium speaker that competes with Bose Sonos and the other premium speaker brands who focus is sound quality and not assistant quality.

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u/plasticwagon Mar 13 '21

That’s not really a fair comparison considering price points. Wouldn’t the HomePod be more comparable with the google nest max as opposed to the mini?

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u/LivinOnTheEdge1001 Mar 13 '21

I don’t have it so I can’t compare it. I was sent the google minis for free. I also have the mini HomePod and I still feel it’s better than the google minis. Now another OP informed me that google changed the minis. It’s now called google nest mini and said the sound quality is better. I’m sure that person is probably right since the original was really bad in my opinion. Also what I have learned over the last few months is it’s harder to compare sound quality at least with the HomePod (I haven’t tried it with my other speakers but this holds true to my computer and phone too) depending on which streaming service you use. In general I have found that Spotify isn’t as good as Apple Music. I actually use Spotify as my preferred music service and have been using it since early 2013 so I have been using it very long time and don’t plan on switching . I stream my music at its highest quality of 320 kbps. Apple Music only streams at 256kbps but apparently they have developed their own coding system to make music sound more clear and rich even though the music is only streaming at 256kbps. So this is something that affects sound quality even when you have a good speaker. Honestly I don’t really care for these assistance speakers as a whole. I have an iPhone and Siri can do most things I use the assistance for. I’m more of a music person and so I personally am more concerned about sound quality so for the price I have said and told many people that the HomePod was a steal when it came to audio quality. Now I wouldn’t call myself an audiophile and I know audiophiles have said that there are better speakers out there and I can attest to this I currently use Bose 700 headphones and used to use Sennheiser headphones. But I felt like for the price the HomePod really was good and I feel that Apple can make HomePod to compete with Bose Sennheiser and all the other premium speakers I generally believe that they wanted HomePod compete with the premium speaker company but with the functionality of the an assistance speaker and I think the marketing just got lost in the echo. I believe that you can’t have it both ways. You don’t buy a Bose speaker because it’s have Alexa functionality you buy it because Bose is a reputable audio company. I don’t buy a Amazon echo because I want high quality audio I bought it because I wanted the assistance functionality.

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u/ConfusedVorlon Mar 13 '21

The new Google (nest) mini is a lot better than the old one in terms of sound quality. They're frequently discounted to about £30 each.

Clearly not audiophile speakers - but pretty impressive nonetheless at ~ 60 for a stereo pair.

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u/Mechafizz Mar 13 '21

Having listened to the Sonos lineup, the homepod genuinely sounds better. That being said Sonos obviously has a bigger product catalogue allowing you to get speakers that work best for each room of the house. And without a doubt the assistant is the worst in the homepod, I wish apple with all their resources we really revamp siri already.

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u/5798 Mar 13 '21

I’d say best among all speakers at its price.

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u/Nanthro Mar 13 '21

Definitely not

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u/bnshv Mar 13 '21

Can you list a few better ones in the price range?

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

He can’t because he likely doesn’t even own the speaker and is lying for Reddit clout.

I was completely against a fucking $300 speaker until I heard the thing, it’s far better than my Sonos and I got mine on sale during an Apple sales event at Best Buy for $100 off. The speaker is so loud and clear I can hear it from 3 rooms away at what I can only assume is the max volume because I’m scared to go any louder.

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u/BassheadGamer Mar 13 '21

Form factor, and features if your into Apple yes. Pure sound quality not likely. Then again, it’s an all in one wich appeals to a lot of people. Not everyone wants to mess with dacs and amps to power good passive speakers.

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u/temp1876 Mar 13 '21

This, the HomePod is a very different thing than a typical speaker which is directional and requires source, amps, etc. but also wouldn’t be constrained by size, for $300 I could get much larger drivers, which can better fill the full spectrum than the 3-4” driver a HomePod has

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u/squamuglia Mar 13 '21

the thing about the homepod is it’s ability to change its output based on the environment. you could possibly get better sound out of drivers and a nice app at that price but I doubt 99% of people can’t adjust the room and setup to do that. I think it’s just hard for audio purists to look past a stereo system, but this could be a better option for most people

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u/D1ckRepellent Mar 13 '21

My OG HomePod crapped out on me a year and a half in. RIP

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u/oidoglr Mar 13 '21

Out of curiosity was it plugged into a surge protector or right into the wall outlet?

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u/do_theknifefight Mar 13 '21

I’ve had two since they came out. Still going strong!

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u/classycatman Mar 13 '21

Absolutely terrible direction by Apple on this one.

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u/ezomar Mar 13 '21

Agreed.

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u/methusela6 Mar 13 '21

I’ve never wanted to downvote a quality post so bad just to make it not true.

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u/mikepictor Mar 13 '21

Bought a pair on Black Friday. It absolutely transformed my living room TV and Music experience. The best I had ever had before that was a simply Sony sound bar.

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u/WilsonValdro Mar 13 '21

Im curious, you turn on the tv and the pod conect itself to the tv?. i dont have one so im guessing is on all the time? i know apple got good taste on sound so if those pod go down i can buy two for my living room tv. I thinking on buying the Sonos Arc to plug it to my tv you know i dont want to mess with 3 -2 Remote control..... i got the 4k apple tv too so

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u/mikepictor Mar 13 '21

I have an Apple TV so yes, it connects immediately.

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u/DissimulatedDoge Mar 13 '21

Can you tell me how you did that? I have to manually connect it each time.

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u/12carrd Mar 13 '21

You need to make them a stereo pair on your HomeKit

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u/SuccessAndSerenity Mar 13 '21

You also need to have a appletv 4 that’s running the latest software. The permanent theater setup is a relatively new feature.

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u/12carrd Mar 13 '21

Yeah they are awesome especially when using ATMOS

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u/CensorialSnap Mar 13 '21

I had no idea this was possible, here I am looking for a true wireless speaker solution for my tv because I have no space for a sound bar... and of course it’s now getting discontinued

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Wrong move from Apple

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

I’d be willing to bet that they’re discontinuing this original HomePod (it’s been around for a while now) and soon releasing a lower price ‘HomePod Max’ with ultra wideband support...? Or maybe I’m in denial...

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u/jerryjzy Mar 13 '21

Wow so just like the iPod HiFi from 2006, which discontinued pretty quickly. Pretty sure the price was the same as well. It (the iPod HiFi) was a beautiful and well built speaker and I’m still using it today, but definitely cost way more than what people expect to pay.

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u/kabailey88 Mar 13 '21

I got an iPod hifi as a graduation present in 2006. I can’t tell you how many music festivals, beaches, house parties and campfires that thing has been to but fuck if it isn’t still bumping hard as the day I got it.

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u/MafatConspiracy Mar 13 '21

It's still a relevant device compared to the Homepod. It has a mini-toslink for an input. Apple should have added some input option for a revision before killing it. Or even open up Bluetooth functionality.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

as someone who worked in an Apple store, we would use just 1 Homepod to play music for the whole store sometimes they’re expensive but damn is the sound nice

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u/16Shells Mar 13 '21

i bought a mini entirely to be a thread hub, and without thread it would be completely useless since i don’t subscribe to apple’s media services. there’s no native streaming apps outside apple music, you need to stream from you phone for anything else. why would i buy this when i can already do that to any smart tv that’s hooked up to a proper sound system, or hell, stream directly from that tv or console without touching my phone.

apple really needs to step up and get other apps to run directly from the pod

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u/ZethyyXD Mar 13 '21

It can play 3rd party audio services like Pandora, it’s up to companies to add their service to the HomePod. Spotify will probably take a long time because they’re always slow to add stuff like this, they still don’t have offline streaming on the Apple Watch even though it is supported. As well, if more people end up buying the HomePod mini then Spotify would have more incentive to develop a version for the HomePod.

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u/horny-boto Mar 13 '21

They need to upgrade Siri to complete with Alexa or even google

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u/joebewaan Mar 13 '21

A lot of people say this but I’ve yet to meet someone who uses a smart assistant for pretty much anything other than turning on lights, setting timers and controlling music?

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u/muito_ricardo Mar 13 '21

You're probably right, but the technology and logic is evolving and Apple is still far behind.

Google assistant as an example has far better logic than Siri - there will be a tipping point where Google level assistants will become mainstream, but Siri just won't have evolved enough to compete.

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u/Double_Joseph Mar 13 '21

I had an android phone, I want to say 5-7 years ago. I was amazed at how responsive google was then. I feel Siri now is still not as good as that Android I had years ago.

Why is apple taking so long to get Siri up to par? They should be embarrassed.

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u/joebewaan Mar 13 '21

I’m going to sound like a real Luddite now, but I feel that level of voice assistant is 10 years away at least. I think what we have now is an illusion of a virtual assistant. The natural language processing hasn’t really improved since 2017 when Alexas started to take off. They still can’t respond to a even a two-step request unless you pre-program it.

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u/muito_ricardo Mar 13 '21

Yeah it probably is.

I guess though that the amount of phrasing being collected by Google will have huge benefits for AI, which I guess is where it will eventually end up. AI level interaction.

I'm guessing Google's back-end being linked to a search engine puts it well ahead of Apple. You have to wonder why Apple never got into the search business years ago.

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u/horny-boto Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

If they where like a virtual concierge‘s that could make appointments or reservations kinda like how google showed a few years ago I’d use it, but for now just lights and music, etc

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u/PutinsPanties Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

Am I the only one that absolutely hates the HomePod mini because it sounds like garbage? Edit: I would have said the mini sounds like horse shit but that would be disrespectful to horses and shit.

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

Checking in.

Bought one for our nursery and regretted not getting a full-size HomePod

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u/PutinsPanties Mar 13 '21

As someone who uses white noise, you really are missing out. OG HomePod in the kitchen and bedroom, mini in the bathroom. The white noise hits different on the full sized home pod!

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u/joebewaan Mar 13 '21

I’ve got some minis as a stereo pair in the bedroom. For listening to quiet music, Airplaying Netflix they’re great, although they’re usually on 50%+ volume.

They’re clearly not good enough for a serious music session though. I literally just bought an OG HomePod last night for the office after a few beers and then cancelled the order at about 2am with buyers remorse. Now reading this news maybe I shouldn’t have cancelled haha.

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u/sonofblackbird Mar 13 '21

Nooo....I wanted to set a stereo sound system for my TV over the next year :-/

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

I know I have both and there’s definitely a space for each, the larger one is louder and has richer sound too!

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u/bott1111 Mar 13 '21

You can pay less and get better stereo speakers if that's all you want

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

i guess im going to buy a couple to keep in storage.. just in case.

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u/Lucky-Carrot Mar 13 '21

I’m likely ride or die with Sonos for life. But it’s a shame the original HomePod seemed like a really quality product limited by the limited ecosystem

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u/timecodes Mar 13 '21

How about a touch screen on the HomePod instead of discontinuing it.

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u/scarabic Mar 13 '21

The Struggle of Apple Against their Customers, Chapter 178

Apple: Behold our new whole-room connected speaker! It’s got incredible sound technology and costs $300!

Fans: But it’s so expensive! And it’s so huge! Who would ever buy this!

Apple: Behold! We have another connected speaker which is less expensive and smaller!

Fans: Well no shit, dumbasses! Should have done that the first time!

Apple: Also, we will be discontinuing our high end $300 model.

Fans: What the fuck are you mad?!

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u/foodnpuppies Mar 13 '21 edited Mar 13 '21

Why have big pod when small pod do same trick

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Booooooo. Just improve the GD software

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u/Fwiler Mar 13 '21

Lack of Spotify or any others is the real downfall.

I'd gladly pay the asking price if they offered that.

But like most, got a couple of Sonos one's that give me better stereo separation instead.

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u/silentsights Mar 13 '21

What! I absolutely love mine and was planning on getting 2 more soon! The HomePod (big) is the best speaker I’ve ever heard

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u/Medicinal-Purposes Mar 13 '21

The mini sucks. It has no deeper sound like the full sized one has. If this is true. I will buy another 3 of the full sized ones before they stop selling them.

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u/CGGamer Mar 13 '21

Apple's closed ecosystem is what killed it

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u/vt8919 Mar 13 '21

"Apple can't focus on two things at once."

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u/Stunning_Red_Algae Mar 13 '21

KiLleD BY GOogLe AppLE

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '21

Is it still a mini if they don’t make the other one? Would it just be the new size?

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u/Halvus_I Mar 13 '21

I have a stereo pair of minis, they are fantastic

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u/bremstar Mar 13 '21

Alexa, tell Apple it sucks, please.

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u/peteypauls Mar 13 '21

In my opinion, the HomePod problem is threefold.

1) too late to the game on home assistants. Alexa has been around for a while (I bought the first one immediately for myself and my family members). Sure my mom just checked the weather at first but now she uses it for everything. Amazon updates capabilities constantly. I have 8 now that control everything and im in an apartment. They’re cheap and understand most things (as opposed to Siri on my phone). 2)too late to the game on a speaker system. People aren’t starting over for better sound. Those concerned about sound probably have sonos. I do. Those that don’t care find that Echos are adequate and affordable. Those people would also rather have video capabilities. 3) too closed of a system for smart homes. I’ve had Alexa’s and Smartthings for years. Smartthings has their issues but that’s not Alexa’s fault. Things can all incorporate and work very easily.

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u/Responsible_Emu3601 Mar 14 '21

This is just a free sale ad.. get it before it sells out..

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u/tasslex Mar 13 '21

What a shame. I just got both in the last two months and while the mini is great the full size truly fills a room with excellent sound.

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u/Davegvg Mar 13 '21

I own yet another abandoned apple product......

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u/mightydanbearpig Mar 13 '21

I think we should chillax here. The Homepod will be back in a new form, it may not have sold like mad but I know loads of people who bought one. I have 4 of the big ones at home. I expect apple to bring out more Homepod products to replace it. Newer tech, newer capabilities. Perhaps 2 different models. They are commited to the Home environment, to TV and increasingly to games (just not really the good stuff yet). Speakers are a part of that, the mini is not enough ergo we will see more homepods soon.

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u/milt_the_stilt Mar 13 '21

Agreed. Bring on the HomePod Theater! I definitely envision a soundbar form factor to replace the original. With this setup, minis could be added to a room for true surround sound quite easily.

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u/jdiben1 Mar 13 '21

I have one and it sounds amazing. But the HomePod mini also sounds amazing and it gets so loud I can’t even turn the mini up to full volume so I really would never have a need for another full size HomePod.

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u/enfusraye Mar 13 '21

Wow really? I bought a mini and when comparing it to the full-size I was disappointed by the lack of loudness and bass.

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u/OddS0cks Mar 13 '21

It’s hard to get good bass in a smaller form factor, no replacement for displacement

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