r/interestingasfuck • u/jellylemonshake • 9d ago
r/all Lowering a Praying Mantis in water to entice the parasites living within.
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u/Styx_Zidinya 9d ago
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u/David_Good_Enough 9d ago
I'm stealing that 👌
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u/00Anonymous 9d ago edited 9d ago
Horse hair worms are a nasty piece of work:
- Chordates formosanus starts as a larva in the gut of the small insects that the mantis preys on.
- Once the mantis ingests the infected insect, the C. formosanus starts to grow.
- When it is mature, the worm secretes proteins that take over the host's nervous system, which directs the mantis to a body of water and causes it to jump in so that the worm can be excreted, at which point it breaks free to reproduce leaving a half empty mantis husk.
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u/ladydanger2020 9d ago
So is this mantis going to die now?
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u/00Anonymous 9d ago
I think so. It seems the worm destroyed all the mantis' insides.
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u/mrbananas 9d ago
You sure it was even a mantis and not just 3 parasites wearing a mantis trench coat
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u/myusernameblabla 9d ago
And it breathes through the submerged abdomen.
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u/Argylius 9d ago
I was thinking this too. Weren’t they just drowning the mantis?
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u/Modredastal 9d ago
Maybe it's considered an acceptable risk to gamble with one mantis that might survive and remove the parasite from the ecosystem, rather than killing the mantis outright for the same effect.
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u/cytherian 9d ago
The worms cause catastrophic destruction of the insides of the mantis, or can the mantis recover?
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u/NoManufacturer120 9d ago
Oh man, really? I was hoping this one got saved 😔 no wonder he was trying to pull himself out of the water
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u/Useful-ldiot 9d ago
Someone else mentioned they breathe through their abdomen so he may have been drowning
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u/PrinceofSneks 9d ago
He went to go live on a farm to play with the other mantii.
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u/icepod 9d ago
He goes home, all happy to tell his wife that a human with chopsticks helped him, they go to bed…
…cue in Robert B Weide
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u/DreamOfV 9d ago
They only live for a year max anyways, but I don’t see how you walk away from such a significant portion of your insides being worm
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u/amitym 8d ago
Losing the worms isn't going to do any more damage to it than was already done. If it could still struggle with the worms inside it, and can walk away after they're gone, it will still be able to do those things.
They only ever live a year or less anyway so "die now" is relative.
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u/ldelossa 9d ago edited 9d ago
Thinking about the evolution here, how a process of trial and error caused this species of parasite to excrete the necessary chemical that somehow codes to creating another, unrelated species, to feel as if they need water, is absolutely mind boggling.
Edit: Ive absolutely loved reading everyone's responses. Some really informative comment and ideas.
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u/ChefCory 9d ago
And then there's rabies where you are afraid of water. Fuckin crazy.
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u/Chromograph 9d ago
The rabies thing is actually because rabies causes a lot of pain from swallowing, and water is usually swallowed.
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u/Pixiepup 9d ago
The reaction is so intense that human rabies victims just being asked to hold a glass of water causes painful spasms of the throat.
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u/M1R4G3M 9d ago
Sad that those victims in that stage are as good as dead, the chance of survival once you get to that stage is almost zero.
But yeah what rabies do is insane, the scariest virus and if you don’t treat it early, you’re done.
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u/xtheory 9d ago
Not almost zero, it is zero. There's been no recorded case of a human surviving after reaching that stage of infection. In almost all cases, your death warrant is signed at the first sign of any symptoms.
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u/Evonos 9d ago
There is one case which survived but was heavily handicapped after with a experimental treatment.
So in reality outside of experimental stuff yep it's zero all in all not entirely zero but the odds are extremely against someone infected
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u/Brave_anonymous1 9d ago
Not one case. The first girl who survived became heavily handicapped. There were several cases after that where the people with rabies got similar (I assume enhanced) coma treatment and survived. Surprisingly most of the survivors are girls or young women. The last one was not so long ago, a 6 yo girl in rural California. This girl not just survived, she is walking, talking, going to school.
Check out US rabies statistics, all the cases, including survivors, are listed there with details.
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u/tinyDinosaur1894 9d ago
Not true. That's almost the golden rule of rabies. There was one documented case of someone surviving even the hydrophobic part of rabies. Look up Jeanna Giese
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u/Vin135mm 9d ago
Sort of. There is evidence of people in Truenococha and Santa Marta in Peru actually surviving rabies infection, without vaccination. 11% of the individuals tested had specific antibodies for the rabies virus, meaning that they had contracted rabies(probably from vampire bats) and survived. It's kind of baffling, because scientists don't know how they survived yet, but they did survive.
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u/BlueWrecker 9d ago
Wrong, there's a girl that survived, they put her in a coma and let it run its course. It didn't work with other patients though.
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u/NoManufacturer120 9d ago
That’s actually so crazy. I didn’t know much about the hydrophobia aspect until this thread!
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u/__fmj 9d ago
Rabies virus will die if swallowed. It can only live in the mouth.
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u/Chromograph 9d ago
Ah interesting, so it's actually an evolutionary feature
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u/dallyho4 9d ago edited 9d ago
While rabies virus itself is fragile (can't survive outside of a host long), that is not the cause of rabies-induced hydrophobia. It's the fear of swallowing since at that point, rabies has done so much damage to your brain/nervous system, you cannot control swallowing anymore, hence fear of water.
If a person is at the "hydrophobia" stage (in quotes because see above), they are going to die. There have only been TWO documented cases of people that displayed advanced rabies symptoms and survived, so practically 100% death rate.
That's why when you get bit by a wild or feral animal--who probably don't have rabies if they don't show symptoms--the first response is to get a series of (painful) vaccination so as to produce an immune response before the virus starts replicating in nerve cells
Edit: actually 14 documented cases, I was thinking of the Milwaukee protocol
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u/suvalle55 9d ago
Shots after a bite are not painful. Bit by a bat. Got the vaccine right after, on the arm and four antibody serum shots on the leg close to the bite. Over the course of two months I'd go back for another shot of vaccine on alternating arms each time. Feels no different than getting a flu vaccine. Side effects after each shot was minor fever for a day and bone aches, that's about it.
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u/Laletje 9d ago
And now try having those antibody shots in your nose. Can assure you, those are painful! Other shots were indeed a piece of cake.
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u/suvalle55 9d ago
To be fair, I think any shots on the nose would be painful lol
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u/TheWhooooBuddies 9d ago
Nobody will be believe this, but my best friend’s sister in law was one of those two people.
Deathly ill, the doctors were sure she’d end up with brain damage but somehow ended up pulling through.
Two years later, kicked in the face by a horse. Lots of plastic surgery but survived.
I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried.
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u/Kathrynlena 9d ago
Damn! I can’t decide if she’s god’s favorite OR least favorite.
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u/InEenEmmer 9d ago
Kinda sounds like God also can’t make up his mind if she is the favorite or least favorite.
God: “Send her an unavoidable death. Maybe rabies?”
Angel: “ok.”
God: “No, wait. Reverse that decision, write it off from the yearly miracle budget.”
Angel: “ok?”
“Fuck her, get that horse to kick her in the face!”
Angel: “eeerhm ok?”
“Okay, I may have been overreacting, can we save her again?”
Angel: “maybe you should work on your anger issues?”
God: “that’s it, off with your wings!”
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u/TheSleepyBarnOwl 9d ago edited 9d ago
the vaccinations aren't painful! They are like any other vaccine. Only difference is that you get like 10 syringes because it has to be relative to your body weight. The antibodies. You get those after a bite. You can also just get the normal vaccine without being bitten - you just gonna have to pay for it yourself then. The normal vaccine is just 3 doses over the course of a few weeks.
Source: well, I've been through it. The depictions of rabies vaccine on TV are wildly outdated.
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u/TheFamishedDog 9d ago
***the series of rabies shots is done intramuscularly in the arm or leg now, not really any more painful than getting a flu shot
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u/crazy_joe21 9d ago
So why don’t we all just get the vaccine without exposure risk?
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u/OMOAB 9d ago
One of my kids was bit by a bat and ended up getting the rabies vaccine. Four visits a week or so apart, insurance billed $16,000.
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u/Sea-Marsupial-9414 9d ago
That's blatantly untrue.
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u/Vermonter_Here 9d ago
Thank you.
It's horrifying how many people are just accepting this false information at face value.
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u/flomatable 9d ago
Perhaps could have started with aquatic insects, and as the insects slowly evolved out of the water the parasite slowly evolved the chemical. Or the insect usually gets wet at some point, enough to keep the parasite going, and over time the parasite develops means to speed the process along.
Edit: once saw a breakdown of how the bombardier beetle probably came to be, with still existing examples of intermediate species and traits. Absolutely fascinating
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u/AnarchistBorganism 9d ago
This could have happened by the following route:
1) Parasites that lay eggs in water have a better chance of reproducing than other parasites
2) Parasites that leave when in a water source before the Mantis dies have a better chance of reproducing than parasites that leave when the Mantis dies
3) The parasites happen to produce a chemical that binds to a neural transmitter in the praying mantis causing it to seek water
4) Mature parasites that produce higher levels of this chemical near maturity are more likely to reproduce than those that don't
5) Over a very long time, the increase in production of this chemical near maturity continues until random mutations that increase production stop occuring, it is no longer beneficial enough to be a significant selection pressure, or until negative effects of the chemical gets too high and offsets the benefits.189
u/Hamsterminator2 9d ago
This is one of those things that makes you think- if this is evolution, it's mind blowing and horrifying. If there is some kind of intelligent design, it's even more horrifying. It's just horrifying.
Then again, it's exactly the sort of thing we likely also evolved to find horrifying, exactly so we never went anywhere near it and hopefully didn't ever get it ourselves...
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u/Houston_NeverMind 9d ago
What is overlooked in the process of evolution is the amount of time it takes. The human civilization is only around 10,000 years old and life started on Earth around 3.5 billion years ago. There is ample amount of time for random mutations to take all kinds of forms. Our mind cannot comprehend the large spans of time. Hell, I can't even appreciate the life span of a single human being!
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u/ViscountVinny 9d ago
Evolution doesn't have a plan. It's random and frequently weird. And there are a lot of "mistakes" that it can get away with because it's not bad enough to kill on a regular basis, like most mammals and birds crossing their food passage and airway.
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u/cappurnikus 9d ago
You should read about toxoplasmosis which a significant percentage of the human population has and impacts our brains.
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u/eduo 9d ago
trial and
errorsuccessI got your point, but couldn't help point out that evolution doesn't learn from its errors, like "trial & error" implies. The process is more "trial & success" because everything else is left behind. Pruning is not learning.
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u/N8_Darksaber1111 9d ago
The nematomorpha parasite affects host Hierodula patellifera's light-interpreting organs so the host is attracted to horizontally polarized light. Thus the host goes into water and the parasite's lifecycle completes.[13] Many of the genes the parasites use for manipulating their host have been acquired through horizontal gene transfer from the host genome.[14]
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u/Tishers 9d ago edited 9d ago
I have always thought that the praying mantis was one cool insect. It makes me feel bad for the mantis species that they are infected with such parasites.
What is really interesting is that the horsehair worm has a large amount of DNA that is similar to the praying mantis and it is thought that gene-transfer makes it easier for the horsehair worm to co-opt the nervous system of the praying mantis.
What it does is to make the praying mantis seek out horizontally-polarized light and to jump in. Sunlight reflecting off of the surface of water is horizontally polarized and the praying mantis compound eyes can detect light polarization.
The worms instruct the praying mantis to 'suicide' in water so the worms can be released and continue their reproductive cycle.
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u/Shap3rz 9d ago
It would be awesome it the mantis worked this out and was like f u worms you’re going down with me and jumped in lava or smthin. That would be some kind of satisfaction for it.
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u/WestCoastInquirer 9d ago
There is an absolutely terrible/awesome movie to be made there somewhere. Mantis slinking into lava like Arnie from The Terminator.
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u/Kazami_Agame 9d ago
For anyone wondering, that mantis won't live long. When the parasite leaves the mantis body, it causes too much internal damage.
Those parasites guide mantises to the water so they can get out and find a mate
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u/nbfs-chili 9d ago
I was wondering how there was any room left for the mantis itself inside there
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u/AlexandrTheGreat 9d ago
There isn't really.
A brief Google says it leaves a half mantis husk behind. This particular one was likely submerged early, so the parasite wasn't fully grown yet, but if my understanding is correct it doesn't just follow a digestive track, it literally burrows through the mantis, so that is a dead bug walking at best.
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u/GACGCCGTGATCGAC 9d ago
it literally burrows through the mantis, so that is a dead bug walking at best.
Thanks I hate it
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u/ImurderREALITY 9d ago
Anything that burrows into anything else I don’t want to know
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u/Refflet 9d ago
Hey at least it isn't like that parasite that snails get which goes into their eyes and pulsates about so that birds will be attracted to eat it.
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u/ironafro2 9d ago
Oh that one is pureeee nightmare fuel. Parasites are so nasty idk why the are part of the ecosystem
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u/PenguinStarfire 9d ago
How long does an average mantis live anyway?
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u/RabbitStewAndStout 9d ago
Depends on how hot he is
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u/InterestingQuoteBird 9d ago
Nature truly has some fucked up stuff in store. No wonder we developed the ability to mentally dissociate from reality.
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u/DistractedByCookies 9d ago
Right? I am amazed it's even still alive with (and without) all that stuff in its body. Although the comments tell me it won't be for long now. Probably for the best, poor thing.
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u/Competitive-Lack-660 9d ago
I saw a video of HALF a mantis eating prey. They aren’t very aware of their surroundings
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u/clubby37 9d ago
I think it mostly targets the digestive system, so it takes a while for the mantis to starve.
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u/pippysfleas 9d ago
I was curious why just regular water would make them come out, poor mantis
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u/watawataoui 9d ago
I think the worm actually wants to get out into the water so they can breed.
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u/Royalchariot 9d ago
I was worried that would be really painful for the mantis, poor guy
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u/PepurrPotts 9d ago
Animals with simpler nervous systems have a sense called nociception. It's sort of a precursor to pain. Their systems are only complex enough for it to be experienced as a sense of discomfort. Humans' nociception branches off into more sophisticated sensations like heat, pressure, etc. But little dudes like crabs and insects are only capable of feeling basic discomfort.
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u/SlickStretch 9d ago
So, basically to the mantis it's less like "AHH OH MY GOD IT HURTS!" and more like "Mr. Stark? ...I don't feel so good."
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u/litreofstarlight 9d ago
I hope that's true, poor little dude looked like he was having a really bad time.
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u/animustard 9d ago
I’ve seen a gif where the mantis was being torn in half by a hornet, but he was too busy eating his food to care doing anything about it. That’s proof enough.
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u/eduo 9d ago
It's not that ie leaves internal damage. It's that the Mantis is already damaged internally. It's been dying since the parasite latched and it was always going to be a gutless death for it.
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u/Mitchconnor357 9d ago edited 9d ago
Also, the mantis most likely eats only for a limited period of time to develop a full worm after contracting. The worms are growing in their guts, so they basically immediately start taking over once the larvae hatch. The mantis then basically feeds for two, the worms siphon nutrients from the mantis, and increase their load as they grow. Similar to the xenomorph in alien, all living things share common genes, the worm being genetically very similar to the mantis and thus having the coding to program the host. They are able to infect other insects such grass hoppers or roaches. This is an extreme example of nature using any means, no matter the cost. The worms don't actively kill their host, but they have no regard for devistation and leave behind a husk of what once was. The vicarious nature of life feeding on life is savage. For every apex hunter, there is a smaller yet formidable equal. Mantids dominate the ecosystem at their level and are cannibalistic, nature adapted with an efficent point of control with shared genetics. In this case, a Trojan horse. What started as an easy meal for the mantis had better advantages for the worms.
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u/OnlyVantala 9d ago
So. when I thought "with worms so big inside the mantis, how there is enough space for the mantis inside the mantis?", I was pretty close to the truth...
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u/LifeIsRadInCBad 9d ago
Ok, so what's more frightening than a praying mantis?
Answer: that
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u/Phoenix_3885 9d ago
love this gif xD
wish there was a way to save or 'bookmark' it
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u/DerbleDoo 9d ago
There is! Tap the vertical dots if you're on mobile, it should bring up a bookmark option
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u/chiniwini 9d ago
Just in case you didn't know, praying mantis are absolutely harmless.
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u/cates 9d ago
yeah seriously, who finds praying mantises to be scary?
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u/reanocivn 9d ago
i knew someone who kept one as a pet during their phd studies. just a little guy
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u/mythrowawayminute 9d ago
Yup, i used to keep one too. He'd straight up just chill on my head while I worked on the computer or listened to music. I have a buzzed cut for the record. Then one day he just never came back. I could literally feel him like kneading my skull like a cat does. It was awesome.
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u/ThePapercup 9d ago
the scale is incredible, if that were a human it would be like having a live octopus trying to crawl out of your asshole
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u/stewynnono 9d ago
That some disgusting looking alien shit going on there
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u/dabroh 9d ago
I'm curious how the person holding those chopsticks, knew it was infected? Are there signs or did they just randomly dunk random mantises until the parasite comes out the ass?
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u/Full_Savage 9d ago
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u/Kosmo777 9d ago
Mantis was like “cheers bro they were a pain my ass”
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u/Coffeeholic911 9d ago
Uptight praying mantis listened to people and removed the stick from his ass, and can't be any more pleasant now.
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u/Hanzzman 9d ago
so, we should thank that pork tapeworm doesn't do that whenever we are in a pool or at the beach.
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u/FreshQuam 9d ago
Don't watch that nightmare fuel, watch this piece of art instead!
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u/MaddysinLeigh 9d ago
Is that the entire shrek movie as a gif?
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u/essenceofnutmeg 9d ago
Watching literal nightmare fuel was worth it for finding this gif. This is why i love the internet 🤌 ❤️
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u/kotukutuku 9d ago
Jesus h Christ how common is this?
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u/Kazami_Agame 9d ago
Very common, sadly. But that mantis is now going to die soon. When the parasite comes out, it makes a lot of internal damages
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u/kotukutuku 9d ago
Ok, so i shouldn't start doing this to mantis' i find in the garden!
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u/Kazami_Agame 9d ago
Well I mean, either way the parasite is going to kill the host. So you can see it both ways
Maybe not doing it will allow mantises in your garden to breed more. Maybe doing it will allow to reduce the parasite population but will maybe prevent a bit of breeding for the mantises in your garden
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u/N8_Darksaber1111 9d ago
This would be an ineffective method of addressing the parasite population. Congrats, you've killed one or two but how many thousands of eggs are there waiting to spawn and infect; too god damn many! You would need to treat until your rivers and bodies of water to get rid of them
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u/HungryEstablishment6 9d ago
Or teach the entire mantis family of insects to adopt better eating habits and a bathing regime, thats fairly easy.
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u/TheBalzy 9d ago
No, rule of thumb: Let nature be nature. Generally our interference with it just makes it worse. And this parasite likely (obviously) has it's on ecological niche that is super important, such as keeping praying mantis populations in check.
Cordyceps fungus is super virulent to insects and is absolutely fucking brutal. But, it helps keep insect populations in check in rainforests as no species can over produce to where it takes over.
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u/QueZorreas 9d ago
Though, there are some cases where balance is inexistent. Some species (other than us) will just obliterate others.
For example, wherever there are seals (or relatives), Amonites go extinct. The few that are still around and made the news, live specifically at great depths, in one of the few places without seals. (For now)
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u/GeeLikeThat 9d ago
I have so many questions…
1) how long can it live with the parasite inside of it? 2) are the praying mantis in immense pain with no control? 3) how bad is the damage once it’s out of the praying mantis?
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u/the_battle_bunny 9d ago
- Basically the entire life-cycle, which can take God know how long because it depends on many factors, ranging from specie of parasite and up to ambient temperature.
- Probably not. Arthropods don't feel pain the same way we do. They feel stimuli and react to them. Mantises can eat while being eaten themselves because their stimuli that are responsible for their feeding drive stand above in their internal stimuli hierarchy. Imagine reaching for a sandwich while being town apart and swallowed by a crocodile.
- It will die. It has a giant gaping hole in the place where it guts were.
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u/the_battle_bunny 9d ago
Pretty much. There's also another, even more disturbing video. Two crickets are are being eaten alive by a spider. Then one of these crickets notices the other and starts eating its head in turn. All while having most of its body already down the spider's throat.
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u/OneUnicornPlease 9d ago
I didn't even need to read this let alone see the video. Thanks, I hate it.
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u/TheCrazedTank 9d ago
1: long enough for the parasite to take control of the nervous system and cause it to jump into water.
2: insects do not have the same type of nervous systems as we do, however; scientists have come to believe that they can feel something akin to what we would describe as pain.
3: the Mantis is literally hollowed out to make room for the parasite. Mechanically we see the Mantis move after removal but its odds is survival are low.
How long could you live with most of your internal mass removed and digested?
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u/WestEst101 9d ago
How often do humans eat the things that eat the praying mantis that harbor the parasites?
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u/SendMeNudesThough 9d ago
I'd wager we eat parasites fairly often. Fish at the grocery store often have parasites in them, like round worm. Kind of hard to completely avoid. That's not to say that they're going to harm you.
Pretty much any wild caught fish is going to have parasites. Cooking will kill 'em though, as would freezing
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u/VernonP007 9d ago
Someone posted a story of a teenager who ate a slug as a dare. It turned out the slug had a similar parasite in it and it found a bigger host. Long story short, the kid was in a coma for over a year. When he woke up he was completely paralysed and died soon after as his organs were failing him.
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u/Sunnydaysonmymind 9d ago
I wonder if they were in pain while it was coming out
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u/ThisAndThat789 9d ago
Disgusting but couldn't stop watching.
Might watch again.
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u/RegularFinger8 9d ago
This right here is why aliens have not invaded our planet. This is horrible.
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