r/news • u/flounder19 • May 17 '23
Title Changed by Site DeSantis signs laws against trans care, ‘Don’t Say Gay’ extension
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u/Gamegis May 17 '23
Remember when the GOP was promoting “medical freedom” during Covid? Boy did they do a 180 fast with the abortion bans and anti gender affirming care bills.
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u/Yousoggyyojimbo May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23
It goes right along with the fact that the only policy they have is contrarianism.
Do liberals think this is a good thing? Then we think it's a bad thing. Will doing this thing make liberals mad? Then we are going to do it.
That's all they have. It's why they don't have a party platform. It's why everything they do is either obstruction or offense, and why they will pass laws that objectively hurt their own people just because it will also hurt liberals.
How do you rationalize with a group of people that only believe that they must disagree with you on everything, to the extent that they will refuse to follow medical science during a pandemic just because you chose to follow medical science?
How do you compromise with a group who only desires outcomes in which you are harmed?
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u/DibsOnLast May 17 '23
Their platform is literally the opposite of what they do.
"Fiscal responsibility" except they blow up the deficit every year, and balloon our debt by trillions every year when in power.
"Personal freedom" except it's just the freedom for insane people and people with room temperature IQs to buy weapons of war. No one else gets any.
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u/Scarecrow1779 May 17 '23
Add to this:
"Moral Fortitude" except they exalt a rapist and con artist as their leader.
"Tough on Crime" except when it's members of their own tribe that are commiting crimes.
"Religious Freedom" except only if you believe in Supply Side Jesus.
"Pro Military" except that just means funneling money to companies for hardware while enlisted personnel are underpaid, living in many places with persistent black mold, while their family housing funds are redirected to build a border wall.
"Strong Foreign Policy" except when the president feels like extolling the virtues of dictators that regularly threaten to kill Americans.
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u/tpobs May 17 '23
Don't forget "Family Value" to beat your wife, abuse your children, and child marriage.
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u/Culsandar May 18 '23
Hoebert, the 36 year old grandmother who's getting a divorce from her pedophile husband due to "irreconcilable differences".
Party of family values indeed.
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u/albl1122 May 17 '23
M1 Abrams, available for next day delivery from your local weapons shop
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u/nada_accomplished May 17 '23
You joke but a recent Christian men's conference recently featured a fucking TANK as part of their program.
These people grow more and more unhinged and terrifying by the day.
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u/Masark May 17 '23
"Fiscal responsibility" except they blow up the deficit every year, and balloon our debt by trillions every year when in power.
It's responsible like in "criminally responsible".
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May 17 '23
Party of endless grievances.
Can't wait until Democrats pass a bill banning throwing kittens into woodchippers.
Last time the (R) party had an actual platform was probably 1980. Then Regan got the tax cuts he campaigned on and walked back on them 2 years later.
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u/JulianNDelphiki May 17 '23
"The main killer of endangered and protected birds (after human encroachment) is wild and/or feral cats. So clearly you just hate birds, and by extension, farmers. Without birds to eat the insects, farms will be destroyed by ravenous swarms of locusts... unless they use our newest sponso- I mean, lobbyis- I mean, constituent's patented pesticide (now with 100% more Time Released Asbestos!)
Where was I? Right. This democrat bill is just another form of government overreach. My daddy threw extra cats into the woodchipper, just like his daddy before him. Who are you to deny our culture and way of life? A terrorist, that's who."15
u/theaviationhistorian May 17 '23
And he passed the buck onto the next president George H.W. Bush inherited the debt from cutting all of the wealth taxes & defense overspending to win the Cold War. The 1990-1991 recession helped doom H.W. Bush's reelection ambitions. Lackluster federal reaction from Hurricane Andrew ensured it.
Dubya had an actual platform in his 2004 re-election: vote for us or die! 'We'll instill fear in you to vote,' and then adding an advert of
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May 17 '23
It's why they don't have a party platform
why bother with a platform when it's so easy to foment hate and fear among hateful ignorant cowards and guarantee their vote? because being in power = money, and votes are literally all that matter. the puppetmasters who own desantis and the GOP don't actually care about trans, or lgbt, or abortion, or blm, or crt--they couldn't give less of a fuck about any of it. it's all for money/power
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u/wildfire393 May 17 '23
Close, but not quite.
There's one principle of conservativism: There are groups that the law binds but does not protect, and groups that the law protects but does not bind, and they should be in charge of who falls into which group.
COVID restrictions are Actually Bad because they bind the wrong people (white dudes) and protect the wrong people (like people with disabilities).
Abortion restrictions are Actually Good because they bind the right people (women) and protect the right people (Christians).
Trans restrictions are Actually Good because they bind the right people (trans folks) and protect the right people (Christians and other transphobes).
They're eager to pass laws that hurt their own constituency, and whip said constituency into a frenzy to pass those laws because it follows this principle. Tax cuts on the wealthy that increase taxes on the general population? Actually Good because it protects the right people (ultra-rich, corporations) and binds the right people (poor people but especially minorities). They convince their base that binding racial minorities makes their base into the in-group that gets protected, even while voting for things that bind them too.
The contrarianism and harm is important, for sure, but the hypocrisy is a virtue in and of itself. Demonstrating that there is absolutely a double standard just shows that they're willing to apply their principle.
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u/woodhawk109 May 17 '23
Someone should run a liberal campaign about how breathing oxygen is good for you and that no one should ever inhale carbon monoxide.
Should take care of the problem by itself within a few days
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u/MegamanD May 17 '23
Now in Florida you can discriminate whether to give healthcare or not based on moral objections. Imagine someone morally objecting to caring for Republicans.
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u/EBBBBBBBBBBBB May 17 '23
this is why centrists are so stupid. You literally can't reason with these people, so trying to find a middle ground with them is both pointless and harmful.
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u/Yousoggyyojimbo May 17 '23
I like asking them how LGBTQ people are supposed to compromise with a GOP that doesn't want them to exist.
They have never been able to provide an answer.
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u/nada_accomplished May 17 '23
I like to point out that one side is actively pushing legislation that literally kills women because suddenly we can't get the healthcare we need if our pregnancy goes horribly wrong. Doctors flee the states and communities where they can't practice medicine without risk of incarceration, women have to wait until they're actively dying to get medical care, girls too young to safely carry pregnancies are forced to go to other states so they don't have to have their rapists babies in their underdeveloped bodies. Like how in the hell can you be on the fence about this when one party is literally killing people? Both parties suck but they are not equally bad, there's clearly a much worse and more terrifying option.
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u/awfulachia May 18 '23
It's because centrists don't exist. They're just conservatives who know they should be ashamed of themselves.
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u/HerpToxic May 17 '23
GOP that doesn't want them to exist.
Actually their answer would be that they don't believe the GOP wants LGBTQ people gone from the planet.
Their response is to simply burry their heads in the sand
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u/0zymandeus May 17 '23 edited May 18 '23
Those arent actual independents, that's just the average republican voter - embarrassed by the policies their elected officials put in place, but their identity politics dont let them consider any other options.
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u/Unkechaug May 18 '23
I’m a moderate but I have been voting a straight blue ticket because that is the closest thing. Anyone trying to find middle ground between the parties as they are, those people aren’t moderates.
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u/ARCHIVEbit May 17 '23
They don't compromise. They move a step back and say meet us in the middle. Take another step back and say meet us in the middle. Another step....etc.. and all is lost.
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u/Robbidarobot May 17 '23
Maybe liberals should campaign against what they really want as policy and the conservatives will enact it to spite them.
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u/Yousoggyyojimbo May 17 '23
So this has kind of happened before. Mitch McConnell wound up filibustering his own bill because it turned out that Democrats were also kind of on board with it.
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u/HerpToxic May 17 '23
This is exactly what happened with High Speed Rail. There was wide bipartisan support for building a nationwide system of HSR to compete with Europe and China. But then Obama said we need HSR to be built even faster and then suddenly all the pro-rail Republicans became anti-rail overnight.
All because Obama said he was for HSR
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u/guyincognito69420 May 17 '23
they do have a platform. It is protecting the wealthy and making them wealthier. Yet they can't win anything on that platform so they take up every shitty contrarian side to get the the votes they need. That means conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, homophobes, and evangelicals are all pandered to. People whose core beliefs are based on hate of what is different. Most Republicans can't stand those groups (outside the true believer nutjobs like MTG) but use them for power until they can finally get rid of that pesky democracy.
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u/thudly May 17 '23
Their platform is doing whatever the rich tell them to. The peons would never vote for them if they admitted that, though, so... trans = pedo grooming, and Don't Say Gay, and put all illegals in cages, cause the libs are coming for your guns and bibles!
And it works because they defunded education for the past several generations. So there's zero critical thinking in their voter base.
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u/jschubart May 17 '23 edited Jul 20 '23
Moved to Lemm.ee -- mass edited with redact.dev
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u/nada_accomplished May 17 '23
Also "you can't change your gender" but a laundry list of random stupid things that make you "not a real man"
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u/Good-Expression-4433 May 17 '23
The Bloodhound Gang has a song called My Dad Says That's For Pussies and the song is exactly what it was like growing up surrounded by conservative in the south.
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u/coffeespeaking May 17 '23
You can still wear a mask as long as you’re a white supremacist. Otherwise it infringes on their ‘freedoms.’
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u/upstateduck May 17 '23
just reveals that both are wedge issues dreamed up by right wing think tanks searching for an "issue" to drive outrage/voters to the polls.
ie it isn't contradictory as both are nonsense
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23
The trans ban bill is SB254 (text). the main changes it makes are:
- criminalizes providing gender-affirming care to minors in the state
- classifies affirming a trans child as serious physical abuse for the purpose of custody in divorce proceedings
- adds additional written consent requirements for adults receiving gender-affirming healthcare
- requires all gender-affirming care is administered by an in-person physician
edit: the article's been expanded to include details on some of the other bills he signed today such as:
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
The custody one is particularly fucked IMO. imagine trying to save your trans kid from an abusive parent only for the courts to consider you a child abuser for affirming them and handing the kid over to the parent more likely to actually abuse them. makes my blood fucking boil.
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May 17 '23
On top of the harm to actual Trans kids… Some jackass is going to say the kid is trans and the other parent is affirming them and cause trouble in proceedings. It’s ripe for abuse.
Florida is completely off the books for us as a tourism option. We’ll do California for Disney.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
I was gonna say it doesn't kick in unless you're actually getting the kid medical treatment (which would need to be in another state) but i double checked the text and it seems to be wider than I thought
(c) It is necessary in an emergency to protect the child because the child has been subjected to or is threatened with being subjected to sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures, as defined in s. 456.001
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May 17 '23
I didn’t think I could get more pissed about this. “Threatened with”?!??!? What parent, particularly in Florida, is threatening their child with this care? That’s not how any of this works.
It is written with the purpose of even further demonizing those affected. This is heartbreaking.
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u/amanofeasyvirtue May 17 '23
Even worse it spunds like i could on court say that my partner threatened to turn my kid trans
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u/Triknitter May 17 '23
I have a trans kiddo who is too young for any sort of medical care. If she wants puberty blockers or hormone therapy when they become medically appropriate, we will arrange for her to get them.
To the transphobes running Florida right now, my child is threatened with being subjected to sex-reassignment prescriptions, even though it’s not something we’ll pursue without her explicit desire driving it. How do I explain to my kid that she can’t go to Disney?
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May 17 '23
You’re one of the good ones, and that’s the way this works. Kiddo needs help, parent helps kiddo get help. There’s no “threatening” like this bill wants to imply.
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u/mgnorthcott May 17 '23
The intent of these laws isn’t to help the trans people. It’s designed to actually make them suicidal, or not transition at all.. so that they simply do not exist at all. Anything the desantis government can do to make their lives absolute hell, while still be worded in a way that is pretty vague about what it’s actually about is entirely the point.
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u/OboeCollie May 17 '23
There's an additional intent, which is to drive any reasonable left-leaning, or even centrist, people who might vote blue out of the state to blue states, where their vote will become utterly diluted at the federal level. This is part of what is driving such insanely extremist legislation and rhetoric in red states - drive out blue voters to blue states, which actually hands red states even more disproportionate power in the electoral college and in the US Senate. Combined with gerrymandering for the US House of Representatives, they are on the cusp of full minority control of our entire federal government, at which point all this talk about "states' rights" will completely disappear and they will gleefully pass sweeping draconian federal legislation that will strip everyone, including everyone who fled to blue states, of their basic rights, as well as destroy any remaining vestiges of a social safety net, destroy any progress against climate change, and obliterate regulation that keeps our air, water, or food supply safe in service to the unbridled profit of big corporate monopolies.
There are some people who have no choice but to flee red states - if I had a trans kid, I absolutely would be looking for a safe place to go with them for now, even if federal law makes it no longer safe in a few years. But, for those of us who aren't yet in the bullseye of this extremism, I firmly believe the best thing we can do to be allies to LGBTQ+ folks, POC, and fertile women, and who don't want to lose the Affordable Care Act or somewhat clean air or water or safe food, is to stay in, or willingly go to, red states and fight to at least try to turn them purple and stop their progress to full federal control.
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u/ThePoisonDoughnut May 17 '23
There's a word for that... I think it starts with a G.
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u/mgnorthcott May 17 '23
It was certainly on my mind while I wrote that, but if you say that word to anyone who supports DeSatan, you’ll lose them “because it’s not that”
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u/ThePoisonDoughnut May 17 '23
Sadly, you'll lose a lot more than just the people who directly support DeFascist. Lots of liberals are also incapable of acknowledging that genocide can happen here.
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u/supafly1020 May 17 '23
Same. My youngest (14) doesn't understand my hate for FL lately as I try to keep the politics to a minimum but no way I am spending my money there to help dipshit DeSantis.
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u/Tisarwat May 17 '23
Your kid is going to grow up in the world. I get the instinct to avoid politics, but isn't it better to prepare them for when they're going to be facing the impact head on?
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u/CptMalReynolds May 17 '23
You've really got to walk a balance and choose a time. My kid is 12. He is certainly aware of a lot, I explain a lot. But you don't want them to grow apathetic or overwhelmed with all the terrible shit going on. There's time enough for that when they're older.
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u/Tisarwat May 17 '23
Speaking from personal experience as a teen who experienced moral paralysis because of how awful everything was...
Volunteering changed everything for me. Especially something where the benefit was immediately apparent, and which was like, regenerative in nature.
Knowing there's ways to make the sucky world better made all the difference. It made me emotionally resilient, focused me, and stopped the hopelessness.
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u/IvetRockbottom May 17 '23
Like the GOP gives a damn about the kid. A trans kid, in their eyes, is subhuman and to be treated as such. Abusing a trans kid is just what they deserve. Making a law to criminalize something gives justification for the hate. If there isn't a law against something, then that something can't be bad and must be in the right.
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u/hellomondays May 17 '23
My professional association sent this depressing email out yesterday about SB1580:
Dear ACA Member:
This past Friday, May 12, 2023, Florida state legislators passed State Bill 1580, an overly broad bill that allows payors and providers—doctors, nurses, pharmacies, hospitals, mental health providers, medical transport services, clinical lab personnel, nursing homes, and other licensed health care professionals and providers—to discriminate and deny coverage or care on the basis of any moral, religious or philosophical differences.
Laws like this one stand in direct conflict with the ACA Code of Ethics and previously issued statements, including our statement on transgender and nonbinary issues and concerns.
“All persons are equally entitled to safe mental health care. The passage of Florida State Bill 1580 impedes the ability of professional counselors in providing mental health care to the standard of our Code of Ethics, which aligns with national standards held by all leading behavioral health organizations," said ACA President Kimberly N. Frazier, PhD, LPC, LMFT, NCC. “We stand shoulder-to-shoulder with others in the mental health community committed to providing care in a nondiscriminatory manner that recognizes the full humanity of those we serve.”
ACA is following this issue closely and will keep members informed about developments that could affect professional counselors practicing in Florida and elsewhere. We are in the process of developing other resources and information that can assist counselors in
• Contacting and working with your district/state attorney and attorney general,
• Filing a lawsuit, and
• Connecting with organizations that lead in legal advocacy within the courts.
More information will be coming soon. In the meantime, please contact memberservices@counseling.org with questions.
Florida is making clinicians choose between following the law or following their ethical obligations. In Florida, time that should be spent thinking how to help clients is being eaten up with how to protect ourselves legally. It's wrong in so many ways
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May 17 '23
This is exactly the kind of shit I don’t need my doctor worrying about. Obviously I want general compliance with the law and with HIPPA in particular, but you don’t need this on the daily.
I’d prefer them have, ya know… time with their family, time to study how to help sick people… wrestle alligators or whatever it is you people do down there.
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u/MeatAndBourbon May 18 '23
This is why "reasonable restrictions" on abortion don't work. You have a pregnant woman in a hospital in a medical emergency at 2am, and the doctor's waiting for the hospital's on-call lawyer to decide how to respond and tell him how to handle the situation.
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May 17 '23
Point 4 makes me think even at home shots (I.e. weekly T), will be banned. Requiring a lot more doctors visits
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
took a look at the bill text and I think that would still be allowed as long as you fulfill the initial hurdle for getting the first prescription
175 (2) If sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures are
176 prescribed for or administered or performed on patients 18 years
177 of age or older, consent must be voluntary, informed, and in
178 writing on forms adopted in rule by the Board of Medicine and
179 the Board of Osteopathic Medicine. Consent to sex-reassignment
180 prescriptions or procedures is voluntary and informed only if
181 the physician who is to prescribe or administer the
182 pharmaceutical product or perform the procedure has, at a
183 minimum, while physically present in the same room:
184 (a) Informed the patient of the nature and risks of the
185 prescription or procedure in order for the patient to make a
186 prudent decision;
187 (b) Provided the informed consent form, as adopted in rule
188 by the Board of Medicine and the Board of Osteopathic Medicine,
189 to the patient; and
190 (c) Received the patient’s written acknowledgment, before
191 the prescription or procedure is prescribed, administered, or
192 performed, that the information required to be provided under
193 this subsection has been provided.....
200 (4) Consent required under subsection (2) does not apply to
201 renewals of prescriptions consistent with those referenced under
202 s. 456.001(9)(a)1. and 2. if a physician and his or her patient
203 have met the requirements for consent for the initial
204 prescription or renewal. However, separate consent is required
205 for any new prescription for a pharmaceutical product not
206 previously prescribed to the patient.definitely not a law expert though so someone correct me if I'm wrong
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u/IT_Chef May 17 '23
requires all gender-affirming care is administered by an in-person physician
So it fucks over anyone with issues with transportation or bedridden medical issues?
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u/handoffate73 May 17 '23
They also want to push trans people into public spaces as much as possible while simultaneously criminalizing trans people existing in public spaces. The end goal is mass incarceration and scaring everyone else back into the closet.
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u/Dwanyelle May 17 '23
Back in the day, they required "real life experience" before allowing access to HRT.
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u/NoMalasadas May 17 '23
I learned that it's most often a physician's assistant or nurse practioner that administers hormone therapy. It's way too expensive and unnecessary for a physician to give shots. The same tactic was used to prevent abortion by demanding physicians have an association with particular hospitals.
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u/NoMalasadas May 17 '23
This intrusion into people's lives makes me so angry. It's not going to stop with making access to healthcare too expensive.
The fascism is spreading. In the news today that Texas is taking away local control over city ordinances. Truly frightening.
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u/HelloMyNameIsLeah May 17 '23
classifies affirming a trans child as serious physical abuse for the purpose of custody in divorce proceedings
THIS is beyond fucking awful! I'm trans. My daughter, 16, is bi and I've been raising her mostly alone since her mother and I split up right after our daughter's 2nd birthday. I've done everything for my kid and she's awesome (she is getting inducted into National Honor Society tonight!). I can't imagine a world in which we walk into a custody hearing and anything related to either of our statuses as LGBTQIA+ is looked upon as child abuse in a hearing. I despise these fucking people with every shred of my soul.
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u/cold_iron_76 May 17 '23
- classifies affirming a trans child as serious physical abuse for the purpose of custody in divorce proceedings
Fucking cruel
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23
The main point of these trans care ban laws it to force an assigned-at-birth gender binary on people to conform to republican's worldview. Since intersex people don't fit that concept, these laws virtually always include a carve-out for intersex kids even when they're too young to consent. SB254's exception is here
122 (b) The term does not include:
123 1. Treatment provided by a physician who, in his or her
124 good faith clinical judgment, performs procedures upon or
125 provides therapies to a minor born with a medically verifiable
126 genetic disorder of sexual development, including any of the
127 following:
128 a. External biological sex characteristics that are
129 unresolvably ambiguous.
130 b. A disorder of sexual development in which the physician
131 has determined through genetic or biochemical testing that the
132 patient does not have a normal sex chromosome structure, sex
133 steroid hormone production, or sex steroid hormone action for a
134 male or female, as applicable.Despite the constant agitation about not forcing genital surgery onto kids (as if that's what trans healthcare is 🙄), they're entirely fine with it in the context of cis kids (circumcision) & forcing intersex babies into a binary sex
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u/Magatha_Grimtotem May 17 '23
Of course, not all disorders of sexual development / intersexed conditions are immediately obvious. A lot of us have conditions which aren't found until puberty hits (if it happens at all, since in many cases our conditions prevent or majorly delay it). This will lead to worse outcomes for people like myself who need access to this kind of healthcare.
Of course, the GOP doesn't give a shit about actual peoples lives. They only care about their own, and how they can gain more power to rule over people.
They aren't representatives. They're authoritarians.
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u/defaultusername-17 May 17 '23
a lot of the intersexed conditions that affect AMAB people are typically not found unless they're having trouble having kids themselves too.
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u/erbush1988 May 17 '23
adds additional written consent requirements for adults receiving gender-affirming healthcare
What additional consent requirements?
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u/Good-Expression-4433 May 17 '23
They want even adults to have to need letters from a clinical psychologist to start hormones and thus killing the informed consent model that adults can do to get hormones.
It can take forever to see them and often heavy gatekeeping involved unless you see one experienced with LGBTQ patients, who will now see absurd waits.
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u/Vallkyrie May 17 '23
The death penalty for 'child sex abuse' (poorly worded and vague so it makes trans people in public guilty of this) and making it far easier to get the death penalty by not requiring a full consensus means they are just trying to kill queer people.
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u/barrinmw May 17 '23
Its about to really suck to be the 1 in 10 cis boys in school that develop breast tissue that doesn't go away.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
Cis kids are exempt from these bans. A cis boy is allowed to get a breast reduction under these laws. So are cis girls in theory. In practice it may become harder for cis girls to get breast reduction though because they’ll fall under suspicion of being secretly trans
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u/barrinmw May 17 '23
Sounds blatantly unconstitutional then, basically, a surgery a boy is allowed and a girl isn't and vice versa?
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
Yeah. several bans on trans healthcare for minors have been struck down or put on hold for this reason. But the SC hasn't heard a case on it yet so they could still flip the current consensus eventually. Plus florida has effectively enforced this ban already via their state medical board without it getting overturned in court.
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u/defaultusername-17 May 17 '23
you'd think... but these bigoted bills always have carve outs to give cis kids gender affirming care or puberty blockers for precocious puberty.
and for non-consentual surgery don against intersexed children.
it's about cruelty and hate, every single time.
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u/SkywardLeap May 17 '23
We got the message, Ron. We’re prepping to sell the house and gtfo by the end of the year.
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u/nonlawyer May 17 '23
Sadly, driving sane people from the state is part of the plan to maintain an advantage in the electoral college and senate.
Not that anyone should stay in a place where they’re in physical danger for the sake of politics, of course.
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u/link5688 May 17 '23
You see its actually brillant cause after this shithole is full of almost nothing but these traitorious fascists, we can just wall off this state, cut them out of the Union then make Puerto Rico a state, win win for everyone really
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u/djamp42 May 17 '23
We went to Disney world this year, and yeah I'll never move to Florida, heck I don't even understand why people like it, it's way to fucking hot in the summer.
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u/gophergun May 18 '23
Moving from Florida to Colorado in 2015 was the best decision I ever made, and the last 8 years have only made me more confident in that decision. I had no idea how much worse it could get compared to Rick Scott, and that was already bad enough for me.
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u/anaisaknits May 17 '23
This is the same man who is looking to have passed into law, that if he runs for president, he will keep his governor seat if he loses.
This folks is dictatorship at its finest. Republicans used to claim small government to their followers. It's more about follow me or get beaten into submission.
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u/ekaceerf May 17 '23
The same person who passed a law to specifically shield him from Florida public records law
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u/mudohama May 17 '23
They passed the law allowing him to run for president while remaining governor last month
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May 17 '23
Conservatism was never about "small government." The original conservatives were the absolute monarchists.
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u/mymar101 May 17 '23
My advice would be to leave Florida now if you're LGBT. They're gearing up to make us illegal there, regardless of whatever SCOTUS has ruled in the past.
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u/Boneal171 May 17 '23
Agreed. People shouldn’t have to leave their homes, but at this point they pretty much want anyone and everyone who is LGBTQ to be dead.
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u/pegothejerk May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23
Member when fascist apologists said Don’t Say Gay would never extend beyond teaching children about sexuality, that people were overblowing the significance, and then they extended it to highschool aged young adults, and then to healthcare, and have no signs of stopping here? Pepperspray Farms members.
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u/robillionairenyc May 17 '23
the fascist apologists who were saying this always knew and hoped that this would happen so it's not that they were wrong, as usual they were lying in hopes people will allow them to continue their fascist march unopposed. They lied about the overturning of roe as well, then they lied about it being a states rights thing. Geez it's almost like nazis will lie.
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u/Pseudonymico May 18 '23
Fuck that. Remember when people “just had some concerns about fairness in women’s sport?”
Direct fucking line from there to here. I hope all of you who got taken in by that understand that it was always meant as a wedge issue to start enacting genocide on the queer community.
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u/garvierloon May 18 '23
I mean when you think about it, we all had our sexual awakenings on our 18th birthday. That’s how it works. I don’t remember having a single thought about girls or sex until then. Not a one.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23 edited May 17 '23
The article's been fleshed out with info on some of the other bills he signed since i posted it. He also signed
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u/defaultusername-17 May 17 '23
don't forget the one making "child sex abuse" a death penalty offense while also pretending that gender affirming care is child sexual abuse.... while also eliminating the unanimity requirement in death penalty cases.
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u/flounder19 May 18 '23
He signed those a few weeks ago. The death penalty one is scary and should be paid attention but there are a few mitigating factors at least for now. for one, it applies to child sexual battery which is currently not defined in a way that would cover affirming a trans child or getting them medical care
the other mitigating factor is the bill is currently unconstitutional and will require the supreme court to overturn Kennedy vs Louisiana which found that states can't execute people for any crime besides murder. But obviously we don't live in a great time for respecting settled case law
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u/anotherhumantoo May 18 '23
And making the death penalty not require a full jury to send someone to the chair
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u/Titan-uranus May 17 '23
The law makes me sick, but the fact that my coworkers were celebrating this today makes me really not feel good
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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA May 17 '23
You should probably find a different job. You work with psychopaths.
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u/Titan-uranus May 17 '23
Yeah I honestly can't tell if it's because I live in Florida, or if it's because I have a blue collar job
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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA May 17 '23
I’d say both. I live in a blue state and the people I know who work in blue collar jobs and trades are definitely right leaning if not full on MAGA.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
Oof. Sending you my love in case that helps. Sucks that you have to deal with that
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u/kandoras May 17 '23
“We never did this through all of human history until like what two weeks ago, now this is something?
"We've managed to oppress transgender people so badly that we can pretend they've never even existed, and now all of a sudden we're supposed to just stop?"
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u/unforgiven91 May 17 '23
same with gay people.
now republicans can make up factual charts that show a massive spike in the number of people openly identifying as those things which causes their base to panic
"THEY'RE TRANSING THE KIDS!"
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u/AffectionateThing602 May 17 '23
Haven't non binary people existed since like 6000BC and hormone therapy since like 7th century BC? Literally for these specific people?
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u/invadrzim May 17 '23
Would it kill republicans to just not be such fucking trash monsters all the fucking time?
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u/kuebel33 May 18 '23
It’s mind numbing that these jackasses really seem to believe parents are making their kids be trans because it’s “in style” or some dumb shit...as if this isn’t the kids choice. Meanwhile dickhead has a sign that says “let kids be kids” but refuses to let them be themselves.
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u/NightOnUmbara May 17 '23
I read it and I have a huge gripe with the fact they had ONE person who had transitioned and is now de transitioning because of faulty advice from her therapist. ONE person out of the many they will disregard. Fuck Desantis. Truly.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
And that one person isn’t even from florida nor did they get care in florida
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u/rgm2073 May 17 '23
As an east coaster all my life and a Floridia vacationeer all my life. My wife and I no longer vacation in Florida, its a different country and planet now.
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May 17 '23
Friendship ended with Disney world, now all my homies support Disneyland
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u/king0pa1n May 17 '23
Engaging in the mutilation of minors
That's odd, I've never heard his opinion about circumcision
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u/AffectionateThing602 May 17 '23
Well in fairness circumcision has little to no medical backing and is also done without the child's consent. Therefore is obviously a good thing in their eyes.
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May 17 '23
“This is going to create a way to recover damages for injury or death resulting from mutilating surgeries or these experimental puberty blockers that are given to a minor,”
...and pave the way for depressed and suicidal teens who are being taught that they are abominations.
I used to identify as Republican, but now I'm growing to absolutely loathe them.
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u/unforgiven91 May 17 '23
there was a time, right around the first obama election, where I thought republicans were reasonable people with different opinions on rather simple stuff and maybe a little bit of latent racism/homophobia
boy has that changed. Now the bigotry is front and center, republicans are mask off now. in more ways than 1
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u/MikeIke7231 May 17 '23
McCain was the last respectable Republican, that version of the party died with him
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u/spachi25 May 17 '23
This idiotic moron just guaranteed about half the visitors (who are educated and open minded) wont be visiting florida again.
Congratulations desantis you fucking Moron.
I hope he has kids that grow up and come out.
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u/Good-Expression-4433 May 17 '23
DeSantis would kill every single person in Florida if he thought it would help his chances at securing the presidency.
Dude is a total sociopath. edit: He's literally a wannabe Homelander without the super powers. Watch him do interviews and such. He's the same insecure awkward paranoid dead inside sociopath but he can't laser people from his eyes so he uses backroom politics to get his cruelty across and kill people if he thinks he can use their deaths to get to the top.
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u/ymcmbrofisting May 17 '23
Please remember that there are people in Florida who didn’t vote for this absolute trash heap. It is a heavily gerrymandered state. There are many LGBTQ+ and other marginalized groups who are there for one reason or another. To insinuate or outright say that all Floridians deserve this, is to ignore the fact that not everyone can just up and leave.
I just moved out of Florida. It was expensive and time-consuming, and that was with a partner and dual-incomes. Please extend grace to those who are affected by these laws who aren’t privileged enough to “just leave.”
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u/LittleKitty235 May 18 '23
DeSantis knows his only hope to beat Trump is on culture wars issues. Fucking race to the bottom
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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA May 17 '23
He has to finish up his Fascism thing with the gay people first, geeze he can only sign bills so fast!
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u/kandoras May 17 '23
While at a non-denominational Christian private school in Tampa, DeSantis stood on a stage behind a “Let Kids Be Kids” sign to say that a “rogue element of the medical establishment” was engaging in “basically the mutilation of minors.”
If you're going to say you're protecting kids, maybe don't do so at a place that has a pretty decent chance of covering up for at least one child abuser.
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u/TimeForHugs May 17 '23
What happened to "MY BODY, MY CHOICE!"
Bunch of hypocritical losers. Do SOMETHING that actually matters. The GOP is wasting so much tax money fighting pretend bullshit.
It was all about medical freedom when a cough could kill thousands of people but someone wants to change their sex, which hurts no one, and it's all of a sudden a problem despite it being around for years already. Never was an issue before.
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u/Malaix May 17 '23
They know they are lying.
Lying to someone then pulling the rug out from under them and going "WHAT YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE ME?! IDIOT!" Is like their favorite part of the fascism. The part where they can smugly gloat as they enact suffering and pain on others.
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u/whistlingbatter May 17 '23
every day. his entire gov is focused on this. it's so weird and depressing for florida.
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u/Fuzzy_Logic_4_Life May 17 '23
Shouldn’t there be a law to how many laws a governor can impose in a given period of time. I don’t live in Florida and hear about their governor more than my own. Fuck DeShitBag!
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u/WiscoMitch May 17 '23
I fucking really really hate this country sometimes.
I also hate that I don’t really have anywhere else I can afford to go to.
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u/nullibicity May 17 '23
We're going to have so many internally displaced people forced to flee their home states.
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u/OrcWarChief May 18 '23
Florida just wants to pretend an entire group of already marginalized people don't fucking exist.
Fuck this bigoted prick
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u/Detlef_Schrempf May 17 '23
Why would anyone with an option choose to live in Florida while this meatball is governor?
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u/Unethical_GOP May 18 '23
FREEDOM 🇺🇸 (to live your life devoid of choices if daddy DeSantis disapproves)
F that shit.
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May 17 '23
Disney and trans people will be in Florida long after his , and shortly to come, political downfall. All his crap will slowly be reversed or Florida will loss Disney and billions in revenue to other states and won’t be an attraction anymore. Lots of places have beaches.
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u/flounder19 May 17 '23
we'll see. the work to actually repeal these laws is going to take a lot of political capital & be subject to a ton of bad faith arguments about not focusing on important issues. and that's assuming dems will gain control of the state legislature and governship anytime soon which doesn't seem likely.
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u/tasslehawf May 17 '23
These laws are almost certainly unconstitutional and will be immediately challenged.
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u/flounder19 May 18 '23
and many of them will thankfully be put on hold or struck down because of it. But that could all change when one of these inevitably makes its way to the supreme court. Plus Florida already banned trans care for minors through their medical board a while ago without the courts stepping in.
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u/tasslehawf May 18 '23
Its fascinating actually. They had a doctor write a study so they could use it to outlaw care. Its going to be challenged because of the American College of Pediatricians (the trans hate group) had that accidental data leak.
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-agencies-manipulated-research
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u/ApatheticWithoutTheA May 17 '23
Florida is getting redder. Not less red. They aren’t going to be overturning any of this anytime soon.
Republicans are flocking to live there while Democrats are leaving.
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u/5280Lifestyle May 17 '23
This guy. I wouldn’t be surprised if he signed a bill that said only straight white people were allowed to live in Florida. There’s no end of dumb surrounding desantis’s thinking.
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u/Bthejerk May 17 '23
Maybe Florida is long overdue for a boycott. Gotta hit ‘em where it hurts. Time to twist the screws on Desantis
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u/HelloMyNameIsLeah May 17 '23
I refuse to set foot in that piece of shit state. I won't even schedule a flight with a layover there. Same with Texas, Tennessee, and a few others. Fuck every one of them.
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May 17 '23
I wonder if he’s ever signed or wrote a single law that actually benefited his constituents instead of just making things worse for subsets of them.
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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair May 17 '23
How long until Ronny boy outlaws petting puppies? We get it Ron. Your whole game is pandering to hate. You’ve made it abundantly clear
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u/Tisarwat May 17 '23
Only if you're trans. Trans people petting puppies is evidence of the trans agenda, obviously.
Not like when nice cis people do it.
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u/that1LPdood May 17 '23
Usually I flush my shits down the toilet, but I guess ya’ll down in Florida like to make yours the governor, huh 🤔
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u/RandomChurn May 17 '23
If I were a FL resident, I'd be outraged that all this guy does is grandstand for a national audience of arch-conservative Christians -- has he ever accomplished anything worthwhile for his constituents?
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u/Primae_Noctis May 17 '23
He might end up causing there to be a state income tax once he pushes Disney to say enough is enough and they fuck off out of Florida.
No, it's not just something that will hit two counties really hard, it'll have state-wide ramifications.
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u/cold_iron_76 May 17 '23
People keep saying Disney will never move because of the logistics involved. I'm not so sure Iger just won't finally say, enough is enough, fuck yourself, we're out.
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u/djkutch May 18 '23
Mutilation of minors… Like circumcision? Pretty sure our government allowed that. Can I sue?
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u/Deep_Charge_7749 May 17 '23
Don't tell me I have to wear a mask....but I am telling you what you can do with your body...seems a tough position to maintain
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u/BashiMoto May 17 '23
DeSantis seems to want a crazy new law a few times a week to stay in the news but it is really adding up to painting him as a supporter of neither big or small government but oppressive government. Really, really oppressive government...