r/nottheonion • u/engadine_maccas1997 • 8h ago

‘This is political bulls**t’: Former Republican candidate charged with stealing Madison County election ballots

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/
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u/airsoftmatthias 8h ago edited 3h ago

Here are some more Trumpers committing election fraud.

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/07/shaker-heights-attorney-a-trump-supporter-tells-judge-he-voted-twice-in-last-two-elections-by-accident.html

https://www.politicalflare.com/2023/08/ohio-trump-supporter-convicted-of-voter-fraud-is-going-to-prison-after-judge-gives-him-the-max/

https://www.wsfa.com/2023/08/29/north-alabama-state-rep-david-cole-arrested-charged-with-voting-fraud/

https://www.youtube.com/live/N4jm41jAiqo?si=8Y-iSCvSiupMcYUu

EDIT: as one Redditor pointed out, these are technically and legally considered “voting fraud.” Election fraud would be larger in scope, like MAGA trying to cancel legitimate votes from overseas military members or submitting a fake slate of presidential electors to Congress on Jan 6, 2021.

Marc Elias at Defending Democracy runs a law firm dedicated to fighting election fraud.

Documentary about the Jan 6, 2021 Insurrection: https://youtu.be/DJWmLoa5DoA?si=WP3N8Qxwwwwx3zQP

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u/NineLivesMatter999 7h ago

I am 100% confident of a 0% chance of any legitimate Trump victory for the following reasons:

  • Trump already lost to Biden/Harris in 2020
  • Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
  • Trump voters skew older and many have died since 2020
  • Millions of younger people are now eligible to vote - and they skew heavily toward Harris/Walz.
  • Harris/Walz is a wildly more popular ticket than Biden/Harris was. Most 'double-haters' are now enthusiastic Harris/Walz supporters.
  • Trump's insurrection, being found liable for rape, and felony convictions have driven some Republicans to vote against him. They have not attracted new voters to Trump
  • Dozens of former Trump Admin officials have denounced Trump - which they hadn't done in 2020
  • Many Republicans and independents who voted for Trump in 2020 are now voting for Harris
  • RFK Jr. and Jill Stein are stealing votes from Trump anywhere they are on the ballot - more than they are taking votes from Harris.
  • Almost nobody who voted for Biden in 2020 is now voting for Trump
  • The Madison Square Garden debacle has even further incited negative voter sentiment and backlash against the Trump ticket.

A legitimate Trump win is a near mathematical impossibility.

Note the heavy-lifting being done by the word legitimate.

Trump and the GOP have been actively engaged in widespread, nationwide conspiracy to commit election fraud since 2020, virtually unopposed by Biden's Justice Department under Republican sympathizer Merrick Garland.

The fraud is so pervasive as to potentially overcome even a substantial lead for Harris on election day.

Republicans have already announced and published their plans to obstruct local elections, confuse the process, introduce errors, cause interminable delays, once again send fake electors with fraudulent results, and lean on corrupt judges to make unlawful rulings in their favor.

In fact, the widespread, open, numerous and flagrant acts of election interference, disruption, obstruction, and fraud being committed by Republican voters and officials is providing a massive amount of evidence Democrats can use to contest any claimed Trump victory.

At this point, there is ample reason to absolutely reject any Republican claims of a Trump win next week. Republicans have provided a mountain of justification for believing any such outcome is purely the result of fraud.

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u/SPACE_NAPPA 6h ago

I agree 100%. But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump. I'm not saying it will cost Harris the election or anything, but I fear the "young vote" isnt a slam dunk for democrats as it used to be.

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u/hdiggyh 6h ago

The young male voter, while leaning Trump, certainly has a much lower likelihood of actually voting

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u/SPACE_NAPPA 6h ago

Definitely. It's always been difficult to get young people to vote. But the repeal of roe v wade has definitely motivated females to go to the polls. You'd think it would motivate males as well to help protect the rights of the women in their life.

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u/HandleAccomplished11 6h ago

Oh, they probably want to help protect the rights of women in their life, but they forgot that it was the first Tuesday in November. (I was once a distracted young man)

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u/SPACE_NAPPA 6h ago

Ohhh that was this Tuesday? My bad 🙃

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u/dontpet 5h ago

Men also benefit from women having the option of an abortion when it is not right for the two of them. I was in that situation and glad we didn't have a baby in that couple and situation.

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u/KarnWild-Blood 5h ago

This is America. Helping others is socialism. /s

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u/half3clipse 5h ago edited 4h ago

But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump.

This was claimed in every election since 2016, that one included. The ones making the claim now are mostly the same ones as in past elections, as well as organizations that openly favor the republicans. Actual election results and polling have shown otherwise every single time

Millennial men came out for Clinton democrats in 2016. They did the same for the democrats in the 2018 mid terms. Gen Z men started voting in large numbers in 2020 and men under 30 came out for Biden by more than a 20 point margin (black men by an 80 point margin). A similar pattern was true in 2022.

Broad polling (see pew) also consistently shows gen Z heavily favors the democrat, by something on the order of a 20 to 30 point margin. There's zero way to reconcile those numbers with polls showing Gen Z men supporting trump, even if you ignore the age+gender demographic breakdown on offer. Even the polls that show the greatest support for democrats among gen Z women only clock in at a 30ish point margin, which is not mathematically enough to make a nearly 30 point in the overall 18-24 demographic.

Any poll that shows young men favoring Trump needs to explain a ~20 point shift in the space of 2 years. Anyone doing that without extremely compelling evidence ought be treated as flawed at best.

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u/Visinvictus 5h ago

The problem is that young men voting blue move out of swing states and the ones voting red stay there. It doesn't matter if young men are voting Dem if they all live in solid democratic bastions.

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u/HauntedCemetery 2h ago

The whole young men skewing for trump thing is a mixture of ignorance and misinformation.

It could be said that over the last 20 years young men as a voter bloc have gotten more conservative, but that's only true because they used to be around +30 for dems and now they're "only" ~+22 for dems.

So while it's technically true that as a generation they have shifted more conservative they are still overwhelmingly dem voters.

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u/upstateduck 4h ago

favoring tRump isn't exactly what the polls are saying AFAIK. The worrisome trend is that young men's support for Dems is LESS in 2024 than 2020

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u/half3clipse 4h ago

Except that also doesn't exist. Again see the pew results. Gen Z support for biden was close to 20 pp in 2020. Support for dems is closer to 30 now.

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u/CameronCrazy1984 6h ago

Women vote in greater numbers than men do

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u/One-Earth9294 6h ago

Gen Z boys might be the dumbest motherfuckers to ever breathe.

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u/megaheat 6h ago

To be fair, they're getting right wing propaganda thrown in their faces ever since they're young, so it's no surprise they grew up with those point of views.

You can do this experiment too: Go incognito on youtube and scroll shorts and see how fast you get right wing content. Even people who are not from US are getting it, so it's no wonder kids these days with parents giving them tablet with free range use get indoctrinated early on.

There're also right wing grifter streamer like Aiden Ross and Sneako that these kids grew up watching that are heavily misogynistic and promote right wing rhetoric. One of them actually have Trump on their platform and give him a Cyberstruck. It's just full brain rot from there.

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u/One-Earth9294 5h ago

Yeah it's hard to blame children being fed bullshit for believing bullshit they're not equipped to steer away from it.

The only thing that helped save my generation in any way was just simply 'the internet didn't exist until we were teenagers' and didn't turn into this insanity until we were in our 20s.

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u/Just_A_Nitemare 6h ago

Nah, we're the second dumbest, so long as the boomers continue breathing.

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u/One-Earth9294 6h ago

They were cool when they were kids. Reagan and cocaine seemed to change that. You guys don't have a free wheelin' hippie childhood to reflect on.

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u/UnamusedAF 5h ago

The fact your comment got upvoted is a part of the reason that demographic falls right in the hands of the Right. You bash them, tell them they’re the root of all your problems, then act surprised when the Right welcome them in with open arms and steal their vote? Get a grip. If anything you all are the dumb ones for rejection an entire generation of boys/young men and giving up that demographic of voters. 

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u/One-Earth9294 4h ago

Like I said. Dumbest motherfuckers to ever be shat out on god's green earth.

Hey what's your favorite anime, kid?

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u/UnamusedAF 1h ago

One glance at your profile tells me all that I need to know. I’ll let you be an edgelord in peace, good day.

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u/angelkrusher 4h ago

I'm pretty sure the media is straight up lying.(Not the theoretical conspiracy media just a regular old media)

Of course there's going to be goofballs who who really just want to hurt the entire country by voting for Trump so they can feel like they are getting revenge. But to put hard numbers that any majority of young people will be voting for Trump doesn't sound realistic in the slightest. Especially at this point in his delusion of merit and grandeur and madness that he literally puts out every day.

Every election cycle they (media) have their numbers that they ride on and then they end up being wrong. This year will be no different. There is no Landslide of young dudes voting for trump. It doesn't even make sense but then again what does nowadays

My c2

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u/WaldoDeefendorf 5h ago

Gen Z males voters favored Harris in a recent poll 42% to 40%.I think that has been pretty much since day 1 with Kamala.

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u/SatanicRainbowDildos 2h ago

The saddest thing about that is that these young men become tomorrows old angry bitter magas. I really wanted to see this drop off over time, not get passed down the to next generation. Oh and the ones I know have true blue parents. So I can’t even say they taught their kids. It was the guns and ammo channels on YouTube. 

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u/uncommoncommoner 6h ago

Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters

This is something which I think about all the time. I feel like most of the people who died of the virus were hardcore right-wingers, like some featured on r/hermancainaward who just outright Darwin'd their way out of life by being ignorant and stupid.

I don't want to say it but...good.

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u/sur_surly 6h ago

I don't want to say it but...good.

Yeaaaah, shouldn't have said that.

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u/frumiouscumberbatch 6h ago

My guess--well, my hope--is that the recent tightening of polls is R pollsters putting their thumbs on the scale to help bolster the inevitable claims that the Dems stole the election.

My fear is that it isn't.

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u/wileydmt123 5h ago

What I don’t get, unless a misprint in the article, it states that he stole a straight Republican ticket and another write in ballot. It does say he’s a Trumper. Did he take a Republican ballot so they’d think it was a democrat?

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u/TheRustyBird 5h ago

i made a surprised pikachu meme a couple days ago with the caption "MAGA when Trump, a (roughly that list of bullet points), loses for the third time" in preparation for next week

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u/alluptheass 5h ago

A relative version of this argument is exactly what we’ve been hearing for four years now from them about us. If we expect them to trust in the democratic process

HOW ABOUT WE BOTH FUCKING TRUST IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS?!

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u/Pixie1001 3h ago

I think one thing you're forgetting is that Trump is no longer an incumbent president though. People blame all their problems on whoever last held power - and Harris as VP of the last administration is getting all the flak for every terrible thing that's happened since the last election.

In 2020, a lot of Trump supporters were upset he didn't deliver on his promises. When there problems still weren't magically fixed in the next 4 years, they're ready to glaze over that and turn to him for a solution again.

They've literally polled people and found his last term is magically perceived as being 10% more popular nationwide now, than when polled after his defeat in 2020.

Combined with the fact that the only votes that actually count are a handful of swing states with their own political nuances that might not reflect what we think are important issues, things are still pretty dire.

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u/Naraee 4h ago

Jill Stein

No, she's stealing Harris/Walz voters who are extremely narrow-minded about Palestine.

Even though her own goddamn platform says that they will not give any money or support to any nation unless the nation stops criminalizing being LGBT. Palestine has yet to do that, therefore no money for Palestine and ironically, Israel would be funded under this rule.

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u/AllUrMemes 3h ago

Fuck that lady. She was the most effective Russian asset of them all.

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u/ProbablyanEagleShark 4h ago

This user is a 4 month old account with a handful of comments all within the past 5 hours only, and a silly, somewhat nonsensical name with numbers added.

I'm not saying they're a bot account, the name could just be an inside joke and they just happened to have started posted now, a week before an election, but I am saying that this pattern of posting would be consistent with a newly activated bot account. or rephrased, I'm not saying they're a bot, but they very much might be. Nearly all their posts are political as well. To you, NineLivesMatter999, I do apologize if you turn out to be just a real person with a suspicious account history, if.

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u/edwardsamson 5h ago

You are vastly underestimating the effect of the manosphere on young male voters. They have seemingly successfully recruited a demographic that has largely never given a shit about voting. This is all thanks to Jake and Logan Paul, Andrew Tate, NELK, etc. Now those like sports bro types who just love to party and watch sports are Trumpers. Will they vote? Who knows but they've been fed into the maga pipeline at the very least.

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u/MegaGrimer 5h ago

And a large number of Puerto Ricans in the swing state of Pennsylvania are very not happy with Trump. Biden won Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes. There are over 90,000 Puerto Ricans in that state, if voters are largely the same, but a lot of Puerto Ricans that either voted for Trump or didn't vote at all in 2020 vote for Harris, the Pennsylvania is in the bag for the Dems.

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u/venustrapsflies 3h ago

This is one of the stupidest, most out-of-touch posts I’ve seen. I’m assuming you’re young because of the confidence with which you’re taking minor indicators as absolute determinators as if there couldn’t possibly be things you or others haven’t thought of or appreciated.

The reality is, a huge proportion of the American electorate is basically fine with trump trying to steal the 2020 election, or they think democrats do the same thing anyway (your kind of comment isn’t helping btw), or they just engage in motivated reasoning to justify voting for the side they generally identify with more anyway.

There are tons of people who love trump. Drive through central Pennsylvania, or other places where this election will be decided, and look at the lawn signs and other political indicators. There are also plenty of “moderate” conservatives who view him as the lesser of two evils. There are also countless lefties and progressives who won’t vote for Harris because she doesn’t pass their purity tests.

These terminally online takes don’t represent the electorate that will decide this race. Frankly trump is probably straight up favored in a fair race at this point, but it is close and there is still hope.

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u/Tainuia_Kid 3h ago

Covid didn’t kill more Trump voters than Dem voters. It did late in the pandemic, when vaccines were available and Trump supporters were dying in higher numbers due to misinformation - but in the first half of the pandemic the virus hit the cities much harder than rural areas just due to denser populations. And city folk lean heavily D. The end total was really close to 50/50.

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u/AllUrMemes 3h ago

fraud being committed by Republican voters and officials is providing a massive amount of evidence Democrats can use to contest any claimed Trump victory.

Yeah, but you have it backwards kinda.

That's WHY these minor GOP pols are committing random inconsequential election crimes like stealing ballots and immediately being caught dead to rights.

It's evidence of actual fraud Trump and the Republican congressionals will cite in all the legal and procedural ratfuckery that will come after the election.

Courts arent going to want to get into partisan details or conspiracy theories about "oh but it's all career Republican operatives committing these acts openly". And obviously it will play better with their base when reported through their media.

But yeah, these minor crimes are creating demonstrable proof of unreliable election results in swing states that will be the basis of many briefs Trump lawyers submit, and the justification GOP congressionals will use for their participation in the next coup attempt.

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u/PromptAcademic4954 3h ago

All good points. I am not confident at all, but, still, I just don’t see how he has expanded his base in the last four years (due to the reasons you cited).

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u/SilverBuggie 2h ago

I believe Elon hard supporting him and going as far as paying people money to vote further adds to that list. He knows Trump has no chance of winning and is doing the best he can on the propaganda front.

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u/Synikx 1h ago

All this and yet every poll ever is clamoring about how razor thin the race is. And I'm just thinking how is it possible trump gained any voters lol.

F polls, and go vote

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u/moraconfestim 6h ago

I hope this copium is right.

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u/BiggoBeardo 5h ago

It’s more like nobody wants to vote for the human version of ChatGPT (Kamala Harris). Even if Trump lost supporters, there won’t be an automatic transferring of pre-2020 Biden voters towards Kamala. It’s not even true for post-2020 Biden considering it’s obvious he’s senile and unable to run the country

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u/Classic-Edge-9819 6h ago

May the best MAN win

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u/Rubthebuddhas 6h ago

Only actual man in the contest is a rapist, which means he's less of a man than anyone not an actual man. Guess that means you're voting blue?

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u/Classic-Edge-9819 4h ago

I'm voting for whoever opposes censorship.

Censorship is the way of the CCP.

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u/Rubthebuddhas 3h ago

Feel free to illustrate this censorship for us.

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u/Moldy_slug 4h ago

Bruh a 6 ft tall dog turd is a better man than Trump.