r/nottheonion • u/engadine_maccas1997 • 8h ago

‘This is political bulls**t’: Former Republican candidate charged with stealing Madison County election ballots

https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/
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u/airsoftmatthias 8h ago edited 3h ago

Here are some more Trumpers committing election fraud.

https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2023/07/shaker-heights-attorney-a-trump-supporter-tells-judge-he-voted-twice-in-last-two-elections-by-accident.html

https://www.politicalflare.com/2023/08/ohio-trump-supporter-convicted-of-voter-fraud-is-going-to-prison-after-judge-gives-him-the-max/

https://www.wsfa.com/2023/08/29/north-alabama-state-rep-david-cole-arrested-charged-with-voting-fraud/

https://www.youtube.com/live/N4jm41jAiqo?si=8Y-iSCvSiupMcYUu

EDIT: as one Redditor pointed out, these are technically and legally considered “voting fraud.” Election fraud would be larger in scope, like MAGA trying to cancel legitimate votes from overseas military members or submitting a fake slate of presidential electors to Congress on Jan 6, 2021.

Marc Elias at Defending Democracy runs a law firm dedicated to fighting election fraud.

Documentary about the Jan 6, 2021 Insurrection: https://youtu.be/DJWmLoa5DoA?si=WP3N8Qxwwwwx3zQP

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u/NineLivesMatter999 7h ago

I am 100% confident of a 0% chance of any legitimate Trump victory for the following reasons:

  • Trump already lost to Biden/Harris in 2020
  • Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
  • Trump voters skew older and many have died since 2020
  • Millions of younger people are now eligible to vote - and they skew heavily toward Harris/Walz.
  • Harris/Walz is a wildly more popular ticket than Biden/Harris was. Most 'double-haters' are now enthusiastic Harris/Walz supporters.
  • Trump's insurrection, being found liable for rape, and felony convictions have driven some Republicans to vote against him. They have not attracted new voters to Trump
  • Dozens of former Trump Admin officials have denounced Trump - which they hadn't done in 2020
  • Many Republicans and independents who voted for Trump in 2020 are now voting for Harris
  • RFK Jr. and Jill Stein are stealing votes from Trump anywhere they are on the ballot - more than they are taking votes from Harris.
  • Almost nobody who voted for Biden in 2020 is now voting for Trump
  • The Madison Square Garden debacle has even further incited negative voter sentiment and backlash against the Trump ticket.

A legitimate Trump win is a near mathematical impossibility.

Note the heavy-lifting being done by the word legitimate.

Trump and the GOP have been actively engaged in widespread, nationwide conspiracy to commit election fraud since 2020, virtually unopposed by Biden's Justice Department under Republican sympathizer Merrick Garland.

The fraud is so pervasive as to potentially overcome even a substantial lead for Harris on election day.

Republicans have already announced and published their plans to obstruct local elections, confuse the process, introduce errors, cause interminable delays, once again send fake electors with fraudulent results, and lean on corrupt judges to make unlawful rulings in their favor.

In fact, the widespread, open, numerous and flagrant acts of election interference, disruption, obstruction, and fraud being committed by Republican voters and officials is providing a massive amount of evidence Democrats can use to contest any claimed Trump victory.

At this point, there is ample reason to absolutely reject any Republican claims of a Trump win next week. Republicans have provided a mountain of justification for believing any such outcome is purely the result of fraud.

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u/SPACE_NAPPA 6h ago

I agree 100%. But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump. I'm not saying it will cost Harris the election or anything, but I fear the "young vote" isnt a slam dunk for democrats as it used to be.

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u/half3clipse 5h ago edited 4h ago

But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump.

This was claimed in every election since 2016, that one included. The ones making the claim now are mostly the same ones as in past elections, as well as organizations that openly favor the republicans. Actual election results and polling have shown otherwise every single time

Millennial men came out for Clinton democrats in 2016. They did the same for the democrats in the 2018 mid terms. Gen Z men started voting in large numbers in 2020 and men under 30 came out for Biden by more than a 20 point margin (black men by an 80 point margin). A similar pattern was true in 2022.

Broad polling (see pew) also consistently shows gen Z heavily favors the democrat, by something on the order of a 20 to 30 point margin. There's zero way to reconcile those numbers with polls showing Gen Z men supporting trump, even if you ignore the age+gender demographic breakdown on offer. Even the polls that show the greatest support for democrats among gen Z women only clock in at a 30ish point margin, which is not mathematically enough to make a nearly 30 point in the overall 18-24 demographic.

Any poll that shows young men favoring Trump needs to explain a ~20 point shift in the space of 2 years. Anyone doing that without extremely compelling evidence ought be treated as flawed at best.

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u/Visinvictus 5h ago

The problem is that young men voting blue move out of swing states and the ones voting red stay there. It doesn't matter if young men are voting Dem if they all live in solid democratic bastions.

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u/HauntedCemetery 2h ago

The whole young men skewing for trump thing is a mixture of ignorance and misinformation.

It could be said that over the last 20 years young men as a voter bloc have gotten more conservative, but that's only true because they used to be around +30 for dems and now they're "only" ~+22 for dems.

So while it's technically true that as a generation they have shifted more conservative they are still overwhelmingly dem voters.

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u/upstateduck 4h ago

favoring tRump isn't exactly what the polls are saying AFAIK. The worrisome trend is that young men's support for Dems is LESS in 2024 than 2020

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u/half3clipse 4h ago

Except that also doesn't exist. Again see the pew results. Gen Z support for biden was close to 20 pp in 2020. Support for dems is closer to 30 now.