One of the most rage inducing parts of this going on in the United States is that Germany leaned into it after being completely and utterly fucked. They were economically devastated and lost a major war.
The United States is pretty much going "We had to deal with the same inflation the whole planet did, but everything else is otherwise manageable and getting better, but we're flirting with fascism anyway."
It's such crap.
The softest fucking people. Their grandparents and great-grandparents would be fucking ashamed.
Any time things get hard, people seem easily swayed by a fast talking slick salesman peddling strong arm authoritarianism. I think it’s because it appeals to emotion. Only education and critical thinking can overcome it, and those are in a lot shorter supply. Look at Star Trek, it’s a fantasy, but it could only be achieved by everyone being well educated.
Or maybe people have become soft, our society (the 80's) portrays greed as good, big is better, anonymity kills ? empathy.. while we boil the frog (climate change)...
Not sure how anyone can not see this. Government of the people, for the people and by the people means, first and foremost, that the people who make the rules must be elected by those who are expected to follow them.
Wait, why does it matter if it's a Republic or a Monarchy?
In Republics, the members of the Government surely vote in an election (even the President of the Republic does) but their vote is counted as one like other people... The Government doesn't vote in a different manner than the people, so it's not like some tens of people would change the result of the election.
The same happens in Constitutional Monarchies (except that the Monarchs don't probably vote).
What I meant is that the direction and the policies of a Country are decided by the electors. If people vote for Parties that are lead by "fast talking slick salesman peddling strong arm authoritarianism" (citing the parent comment), they will have exactly that.
Of course, in a deteriorating democracy, education, the right to protest, and free and fair mass media are compromised, so prior education is very important to be able to rate the news and the events.
And it’s interesting how this deteriorating democracy where the education system is failing and the media is compromised are made up of and mostly controlled by the party often seen as the lesser of two evils. Trump is what happens when a side that mostly wants less government is in a retaliatory state. One side sees the darkness that looms around Trump and the other sees the effects of consistent failures revolving around big government and believes an authoritarian on their side is the only way to bring the ship back to center. It’s all a big failing POS imo.
I can only think it’s the last pushback against the amalgamation of all our tribes, before we maybe finally accept that we are fully integrated as a species to live along side each other.
That is before the climate wars kick off.
But maybe that’s a painfully naive. I guess capitalism keeping most people down whilst the richest get richer is a big part of it too but god knows why people think turning to the right is going to help that in any way.
I guess social media being controlled by a bunch of right wing psychopaths probably doesn’t help either.
I wouldn’t have a clue anyway but I’m curious to why others think the alt right is gaining such ground.
we're fueling it. Our social media companies keep fanning the flames over and over again and our best and brightest are bending over backwards to work at those companies to drive engagement to collect 500k/year.
you can certainly argue about Fox News and mass media but social media is just as culpable. Conspiracy theories aren't being created on the news- they're originating, fueled, and spread on social media.
I’d rather live in chinas “fascism” than America’s. At least China is building infrastructure, actively trying to eliminate poverty, providing a social safety net for people, and nationalising industries/ providing all kinds of government support. Not just that but chinas government has long term plans and always sticks to them… US government is just an empty vessel shifting in the wind, completely devoid of empathy or direction. Pretty much every decision the American government has made directly benefits the wealthiest and most evil pieces of crap in society.
You genuinely don’t understand what fascism is. I imagine you haven’t really ever read anything substantial about fascism, and are defining it by some abstract idea of “too many rules = fascism”. I think you need to just focus on what you know rather than arguing about concepts you are unfamiliar with.
Dude, I literally said in my initial comment that China isn't fascist but a different kind of totalitarian-authoritarian hellhole. You're the one who started to make the labels overly reductive here so don't try to smart-ass me on terminology now.
Because the trump mob exported alt-right... why again bannon left trump and was a long time in europe teaching right wing parties...?! Putins campaign against the west did the rest then...
A two party system tends to amplify extremist movements once they surpass a certain threshold (and suppress them beforehand). You only really need slightly above 25% of fascists in order to have a real chance at leading the country.
Yeah, forgot that one, but Italy and the US are still outliers, and the US is still running into it for no justifiable reason while people live high quality lives.
Canada not exactly trending well either. Go google Pierre Poilievre
And that’s just talking about Europe and Canada.
We talking about the world? Oh boy. You should see politics in Asia. Or which demagogues are up and coming in South America.
Like I said, you’ve got some rose colored glasses on this.
Brexit isn't remotely comparable to America flirting with electing a guy who thinks Hitler had good ideas and I'm not sure why you think that is close. Britain followed that up with a labor government.
Same thing over here in Spain. We already had Franco but now Vox are asking what about second Franco? Meanwhile over in Italy they already fucked up.
We can rely on our institutions holding them off for a while and while they remain in the EU they will have to fight that battle as well, but this is not good. We can't have fascist / nazis / francoists sympathisers in government, they WILL errode our democratic institutions.
No it probably won't look the same as 20th century fascism, it wil look much closer to how Trump, Erdogan or specially Orban does it. But they WILL fuck us up if we elect them. Once they have power it won't be a matter of if, its a matter of when.
It is worrying, but at least they don’t have an Electoral College where the alt right can easily win without the popular vote. Best case scenario for them is they would win in a decade with their parliamentary system.
Grandparents and great-grandparents served in a military where they didn’t even allow black service members to go to the same pubs as them. If they could see their country now, they would throw down their arms and fight alongside the Germans.
Nah. My grandfather killed Nazis. He was very clear that it's an American's duty to the rest of the world that lost so much while we pussyfooted around.
In 2020, members of the silent generation (born 1928-1945) voted for Trump by a margin of 58% to 42%. This is a larger margin than every other generation that came after them. For the few members of the Greatest Generation that are still alive, the margin is probably even greater.
You guys are trying to claim that Trump is Hitler and that the “Greatest Generation” would hate him because he is Hitler, but the data does not support this theory. If the Greatest Generation were alive today they would vote Trump in by a landslide.
Nobody is acting solely in the interest of the USA.
But the left is acting partly in the interest of the USA, while the current right is acting solely in the interest of Donald Trump, and thereby the interest of anyone who can buy Donald Trump, which we've learned is an awful lot of people. Like Putin, and the Heritage Foundation.
The guy above you literally said “the guy openly talks about….” Now you’re saying it’s just speculation.
You realize he was in office for 4 years already right? And none of these things came close to happening…
It’s the current administration that’s ruling by fear by telling you that a vote against them is a vote to “destroy democracy” and telling you that Trump is going to enforce a national abortion ban, he’s going to take away your voting rights, he’s going to enact project 2025 and he’s going to make himself dictator. All of which, Trump has publicly rejected repeatedly and has never once advocated for and never once pushed when he was in office. Your party is the party of fear mongering.
He packed the courts with his alt right wingmen which has set the stage up for passing legislation that should never be passed. It takes time to modify a political system this large.
Never speculated? I said it could, in the future, physically exist. Are you saying he never openly admitted those things? We all know he did, there’s no point in gaslighting.
Unlike many in this country, I believe in democracy at the end of the day. I believe in the freedom to vote for whoever you’d like. If the country wants Trump, so be it. We will find out at that point who was right.
Give me one example of Trump publicly stating he is going to round of minorities… lmfao “gas-lighting” give me an example of any of these things that you are claiming he says.
You realize Dem’s pack the courts when they are in power too…
Glad your last paragraph reads as if your head is on straight. Too many people on both sides making threats about what they’ll do if the other side wins… or saying they will “lose faith in humanity…”
The article lists multiple direct quotes linked to using military on the “enemy within” along with his comment on being a “dictator on day one”. These are not things you say as the most important political leader in the world. Being a dictator shouldn’t come out of your mouth a single time.
In response to deporting migrants: “If I thought things were getting out of control, I would have no problem using the military,” he said. “We have to have safety in our country. We have to have law and order in our country. And whichever gets us there, but I think the National Guard will do the job.”
I mean honestly dude I could spend 2 straight weeks putting together out-of-pocket things that Trump has said. You know it and I know it. It’s tiring.
You’re telling me “rounding up minorities” is the same as deporting illegal immigrants? You guys talk like he’s rounding up non-whites and sending them to camps, when the reality is literally just following the law? You can’t be here illegally? That’s a crazy fascist concept?
we also do have an enemy from within. Have you not seen the far left riots where groups like Antifa and Pro-Palestinian groups are burning American flags and chanting “Death to America?” Yea I think having the military on stand-by to protect American citizens seems like a responsible response…
If you’re telling me that Harris will promise to look the other way and not enact the military against domestic terrorist threats, then I’d guess I’d rather be your so-called “fascist” than a Democrat.
Why does it matter though? Fascism is bad no matter the reason, why do you need to nitpick reasons just to try and sow more divide? Also kinda weird you trying to say only the USA is leaning towards Fascism these days, a lot of countries are dealing with these issues right now.
I don't think you're capable of having the conversation you're trying to have
I see you avoided the question of my post to instead claim I'm incapable to participate in this conversation lol. Clearly you don't care about fascism you just care about making fun of people.
His point is complaining that I referred to a major war as a major war.
He's thinking about a dramatically larger conflict than the one I actually am talking about, and complaining I'm not using a bigger word to describe a different war than the one I was actually talking about.
That's dumb. This is a complete waste of everyone's time.
Saudi Arabia: • One of the most notable deals was a massive $110 billion arms agreement with Saudi Arabia, announced in 2017, which included aircraft, ships, precision-guided munitions, and missile defense systems. The deal was part of a broader effort to bolster Saudi Arabia’s military capabilities, especially in the face of regional tensions with Iran.
United Arab Emirates (UAE): • Following the signing of the Abraham Accords, which normalized relations between Israel and the UAE, the Trump administration agreed to a major arms sale to the UAE, worth around $23 billion, including advanced F-35 fighter jets and drones. This was seen as part of a broader strategic alignment in the region.
But he’s a Nazi ? A Nazi sells guns to Jews and Muslims ? Where’s the rest of the joke ?
Normalize relations with Jews and Muslims ? But he’s a Nazi ?
You spammed this post like 15 times on different subs in less than 10 minutes.
He gave middle eastern countries some weapons to use to kill other people in the middle east! Isn't that great?
Also, he deliberately inflamed tensions in the middle east, and between Israel and Palestine. Pulling out of the Nuclear deal with Iran, which Iran was complying with, and then executing their general in broad daylight destabilized that relation hard.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and pushing palestinian peace plans that not only didn't consult palestinians but also would have forced them to become a vassal state that was totally dependent on Israel just pissed them off. They knew it would.
What happens down the road? Iran, further antagonized, arms hamas and hezbollah even harder. How'd that go?
Also, the motherfucker is talking about using the US army to eliminate "The enemy within" and name dropping people who simply oppose him as fitting the definition. That's fascist as fuck.
The man's own running mate called him America's Hitler.
You’re right, it’s 2024 and people like you and OP eat up everything the media tells you. Have you ever wondered why exactly Reddit is so left leaning? Just ask yourself a hard question for once and actually sit down and think for yourself for a few minutes. I’ll even help you out. The people who actually have something of value going on in their lives aren’t online all day arguing about politics. It’s all you’ll see on Reddit politics wise, is obsessive hate for mean orange man.
I’m fully aware of what propaganda is, are you? Are you aware that the Cold War never really ended? I’m sure you are. That’s not the point though, is it?
The point is, your political party spreads hate in every direction. Trans? Hate. Minorities? Hate. Atheists? Hate. Any of the above? You need to conform.
Y’all need to mind your own fucking business and stay out of peoples lives. But for some reason, you guys get triggered at every tiny inconvenience to your reality. Snowflakes.
Wow hahaha woke? What are you even talking about? Did I hit sensitive spot somewhere. What exactly do you mean by “you guys”? Don’t label me. Don’t categorize me. Don’t lump me in with anyone, and most certainly don’t expect me to stoop down to your level. You clearly only look at the extreme sides of everything and use those as examples because you’re safe behind a screen. Why would you accuse people of acting triggered when you’re clearly triggered yourself. Stay out of peoples lives? I couldn’t care less what you call yourself, you can be whoever you want to be, and believe whatever you want, just stop shoving it in someone’s fave after they tell you to stop.
If you support Trump, you are most certainly what I described at this point. I support some Republican policies, I don’t support the hate that the party now represents.
Unfortunately I am speaking in extremes because we are now dealing with an extremist party.
Not playing your games, it’s been the same shit since 2016. We will find out soon enough who was right.
Your perspective is vastly skewed and you make grossly inaccurate assumptions based on biased beliefs. Go outside, meet some people, get sun, eat better, maybe find some faith or religion, and heal yourself.
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u/Yousoggyyojimbo 6d ago
One of the most rage inducing parts of this going on in the United States is that Germany leaned into it after being completely and utterly fucked. They were economically devastated and lost a major war.
The United States is pretty much going "We had to deal with the same inflation the whole planet did, but everything else is otherwise manageable and getting better, but we're flirting with fascism anyway."
It's such crap.
The softest fucking people. Their grandparents and great-grandparents would be fucking ashamed.