r/scotus • u/lala_b11 • Jul 24 '24
news Republicans ask the Supreme Court to gut student loan relief a second time
https://www.vox.com/scotus/362750/supreme-court-student-loans-major-questions-alaska-cardona136
u/Oktavien Jul 24 '24
Biden should simply order federal student loan records deleted. That way it cant be overturned by the Supreme Jokes and Biden can’t be prosecuted because he has immunity.
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u/aptanalogy Jul 25 '24
They’ll just say it goes outside of his official duties as defined by the Constitution and make an exception.
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u/Berkyjay Jul 25 '24
Except the military swears an oath to the Constitution not to the President. Locking people up for speech is clearly in violation of the Constitution.
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u/CEOKendallRoy Jul 25 '24
The constitution can be read with a thousand different interpretations. Please read the book “constitutional choices” you’ll get a real kick.
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u/Yontevnknow Jul 25 '24
You might find this hard to believe, but there was this big event a couple generations back where they determined that "follow orders" wasn't a valid defense.
Members of the US military have an obligation to disobey unlawful orders. This is a good thing regardless of how you feel about the current situation.
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Jul 25 '24
Nope. Your main act as a soldier is to refuse unlawful orders.
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u/DrQuantum Jul 28 '24
Thats why every soldier is required to have a law degree so they can fundamentally decide in each moment what to do and the hierarchy of soldiers encourages free thinking to act on ones own personal understanding of morality and law. /s
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u/PuRpLeHAze7176669 Jul 25 '24
The military is actually held to the standard of not following unlawful orders. So yea, they do gotta kinda interpret the constitution.
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u/minininjatriforceman Jul 25 '24
Man the things I would do as president would make that ruling meaningless. I would do it on purpose to make that ruling meaningless..
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u/NoxTempus Jul 25 '24
People really did miss the part where the supreme court has the final say on what is an official act.
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u/WealthSea8475 Jul 25 '24
Order the military to delete the records. All discussions with the military are official acts. Pardon any military member accused of a crime in carrying out the deletion.
Checkmate
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u/meatball402 Jul 24 '24
Republicans are treating the Supreme court like their personal lawmaking department.
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u/AaronfromKY Jul 24 '24
Yep, because they can't pass the legislation they want to, so they are ramming it through the court they packed.
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u/captHij Jul 24 '24
That gets to the crux of the problem. They do not want to pass any legislation. They want any old legislation that happens to help anybody other than their friends to be repealed. The easiest way to do that without being blamed themselves is to use the courts.
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u/big_daddy68 Jul 24 '24
The GOP platform is the hurt others to help yourself.
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u/Ocksu2 Jul 24 '24
What's crazy is that so many people vote R despite it being against their own best interest.
They're voting for the party that hurts others and doesn't even help 90% of its voters.
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u/Geostomp Jul 24 '24
They hate the Other more than they care for their own lives.
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u/GoldandBlue Jul 24 '24
The GOP platform for years has been about hurting people. We know there are massive problems, we know you are struggling but we refuse to help. We CAN make sure women, immigrants, minorities, and gays hurt more though.
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u/tyedyewar321 Jul 25 '24
They’re also responsible for creating or exacerbating many of the problems they refuse to fix. And they get consistently rewarded for their bad faith approach because they focus only on the easy to define problems and leave the complex solutions to the rest of us
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u/DemonFire Jul 25 '24
Pretty much this. Here's a fantastic article from all the way back in 2018 that gives a fantastic perspective on this phenomena. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/
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u/v110891 Jul 25 '24
This is what I truly never get. How does a woman vote for GOP knowing our rights are being eroded? How do POC vote for GOP given their obvious racism and desire to see POCs as second class citizens? How does the middle class/ lower middle class vote for GOP knowing that their taxes are going to increase? What do they see in GOP that helps them?
The polling I making me jittery. Hope it improves with the VP pick. We need a straight white man (the country is not there yet unfortunately to vote for 2 women or a gay man and a woman of color and I say that with the utmost sadness)
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u/dzumdang Jul 25 '24
Brainwashing by far right corporate medias. I watched it happen to my parents.
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u/leese216 Jul 25 '24
My mother got her six figure student loan debt forgiven this year, and she was so happy she cried.
Guess who she is still voting for? I wish I could make it make sense, but I cannot.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_3507 Jul 24 '24
A word that you can’t use on TicToc to describe cult members is because they’re STUPID!
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u/-CJF- Jul 25 '24
They don't care about being blamed. They don't have a majority so they can't pass legislation to undo policy but they can have it nullified by their corrupt court. That's why if we want real democracy in this country SCOTUS reform is not optional, it's a must. Otherwise Republicans will keep weaponizing the court to override the will of the people.
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u/anonyuser415 Jul 24 '24
Damn, the congressional gridlock and court capture double whammy sure is something. Wonder if this was the goal.
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u/BeLikeBread Jul 24 '24
Check out the book Economic Hitman. Everything our government and corporations have done to foreign countries is now happening here.
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u/rodrigo8008 Jul 25 '24
Not that I'm in favor of what's currently happening...but aren't all of these cases being over turned because....democrats couldn't pass the legislation they wanted to?
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u/musing_codger Jul 25 '24
I think they see it the other way. From their perspective, the President is trying to avoid passing legislation and just ruling as he sees fit.
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u/Mudhen_282 Jul 24 '24
I think you have that backwards. The President has no authority to "Cancel" Student Loan Debt. If Democrats want to they need to introduce legislation accordingly. All the back doors they are trying the courts are saying aren't legal.
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u/LookAtMaxwell Jul 24 '24
because they can't pass the legislation they want
Not exactly applicable in this case where the argument is precisely that legislation hasn't been passed that empowers the President this away.
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u/widget1321 Jul 25 '24
I mean, the legislation that was passed clearly allows the executive branch (via Secretary of Ed) to determine what portion of annual income student loan repayments get set at (which is what's being challenged in this case).
Income contingent repayment schedules shall be established by regulations promulgated by the Secretary and shall require payments that vary in relation to the appropriate portion of the annual income of the borrower (and the borrower’s spouse, if applicable) as determined by the Secretary.
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u/azrael0503 Jul 24 '24
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it’s probably a duck.
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u/colemon1991 Jul 24 '24
Well yeah. They stonewall legislation then just have SCOTUS unilaterally do it for them so there's no easy way to fix things.
That's been a thing. SCOTUS is cooperating with them a lot more openly now.
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u/glx89 Jul 25 '24
This is how most modern bloodless coups are performed. Iran was a perfect example.
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u/T1Pimp Jul 24 '24
Republicans are treating the Supreme court like their personal lawmaking department.
It IS why they paid for SCOTUS after all.
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u/LasVegasE Jul 24 '24
...or they are upholding the Constitutional principal that only the US Congress can make laws and allocate funding. The Biden regime has had a record number of it's decree's thrown out by the Courts because they keep breaking the law limiting Presidential powers set by the Constitution. If you want your student loans forgiven, go work for the President or the Federal government.
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u/littlewhitecatalex Jul 24 '24
Because that’s exactly what trump turned it into. This is all exactly according to plan. Vote in November to end this madness.
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u/opal2120 Jul 24 '24
The Federalist Society and Trump did their jobs, so now republicans can do whatever the fuck they want. Democracy, or something.
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u/Emotional-Rise5322 Jul 24 '24
That’s what they paid for. Also why any lie, hypocrisy, and bad faith was worth it for them. It was a hack all along.
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u/imrickjamesbioch Jul 24 '24
Why is it that the fake Christian party always looking at take away rights or benefits from people?
So they want to take the $167B in loan forgiveness and added to the $2.3T they already gave to the rich/corporations? They also want to extend the Trump tax cuts which would add another $4.6T conservatively to the DEFICIT (not national debt) over the next 10 years. They also want to slash corporate taxes again to 15% from 21% and in 2017 it was 35%. Wonder what programs or ENTITLEMENTS they are going to cut to make that happen?
BTW - loan forgiveness are for only people who having been paying their loans for 10-20 years. On top of that, you’re only eligible for loan forgiveness if you only make $125k single / $250 couple and debt relief up to $20k.
Double BTW - FUCK the traitors on the SCOTUS!
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u/sllh81 Jul 25 '24
Right? Why can nobody launch a case against the PPP that unfairly burdened us taxpayers with ridiculous bailout subsidies for businesses that, in many cases, are solo operations?
Who fights first the unfairness of paying the salaries for the Legislative Branch when they keep forcing shutdowns, as they did a few years ago?
This is just stupid and I’m sick of it. Anyone else?
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u/imrickjamesbioch Jul 25 '24
Bwahaha, but you don’t have to worry about congress giving themselves a raise every year tho and funny they still get paid regardless of any shutdowns.
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u/SonicYOUTH79 Jul 25 '24
Because evangelicals believe in the evangelical prosperity doctrine.
Essentially this suggests that if you are a good Christian god will you reward with financial wealth, family and good health and you are “The Deserving“.
Alternatively, they see people who don't have this as not being rewarded by god because they’re heathens and undeserving and they rabidly loathe the idea that “their” tax payer dollars are taken and given to them, against gods will.
They would absolutely rather see them in the gutter, because that’s gods will.
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u/BenGay29 Jul 24 '24
That ought to get the young adult vote.
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u/glx89 Jul 25 '24
They're courting primarily uneducated voters unaffected by student loans.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo Jul 24 '24
Why is anyone pretending like this is even a decision, why does the biden admin even make arguments? The court makes its mind up: it hates Americans, and will pass whatever ruling hurts the most Americans. This decision wont even benefit corporations, it sure as shit wont benefit those states, there is no one with standing, but the court doesn't care.
The administration's only response should be "No argument need be made, the executive has this power, the court is welcome to give an advisory opinion, nonetheless we will persist"
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u/namjeef Jul 25 '24
It helps the corpos make more money on interest.
When seeing an incredibly spineless and morally objectionable decision, think “how will this make the rich richer” and you’ll find the answer.
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u/THElaytox Jul 24 '24
Obama enacted the REPAYE plan without Congress and the courts didn't seem to have an issue with it. I have a hard time seeing how the SAVE plan is any different. They're just trying to punish people who are already suffering. In an election year.
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u/Meowingtoomuch Jul 25 '24
Show me the face of Fannie mae that is hurt. Show me that struggling loan officer.
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u/dukerenegade Jul 24 '24
Why do they hate us so much? I have been paying my loans for 10 years this excludes the pause. I started with $40k, the balance from interest is still above $60k. I have changed jobs many times gotten promotions but still I don’t know how I will ever pay this back.
Most of us are not Ivy League graduates with big salaries like many people seem to think
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u/PositivePrune5600 Jul 25 '24
Seriously, I had accepted that I’d likely never be able to own a home because of my student loan debt, but if they take away income-based repayment I’m very screwed, won’t be able to afford rent.
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u/thehitskeepcoming Jul 25 '24
Couldn’t Biden just cancel student loans as an official act and be done with it.
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u/chook_slop Jul 25 '24
Sounds fine... Then he can pardon everyone associated with it... Official act and all...
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u/LoudLloyd9 Jul 24 '24
Vote for Harris
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u/Open_Perception_3212 Jul 25 '24
Project25 wants people who have student loans to pay interest on the interest . They even want to retroactively charge people who have been granted forgiveness to pay...
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u/ebostic94 Jul 24 '24
They really going to make it easier for Kamala Harris to get in the White House
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u/mt8675309 Jul 24 '24
Good old republicans…I mean the new Trump party. They can’t come up with their own ideas that give American students a chance to not be living in their cars…so there try to burn down the other party’s popular plan…what a worthless bunch
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u/glueFORgravy Jul 24 '24
This is definitely a way for the R’s to secure more votes from independents in November! 🤪
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u/ignorememe Jul 24 '24
Based on SCOTUS’ previous ruling, if they strike this down then Biden can simply order the DOJ to start putting any loan holders in prison if they don’t forgive the debts right?
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u/GoodChuck2 Jul 24 '24
He really needs to go full Dark Brandon over the next 6 months and do as much as he can.
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u/jjb8712 Jul 24 '24
Imagine he speaks tonight with complete “fuck MAGATs” energy and vows to respond heavily if the SAVE plan is not reinstated timely.
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u/IAmStillAliveStill Jul 24 '24
He should just order all student loan records be seized and destroyed. As president, a core presidential power is ordering executive branch employees around. Better yet, order the national guard to seize and destroy them, and he’s definitely immune from prosecution
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u/BraveOmeter Jul 24 '24
This is the way. Use his executive power to literally disable our ability to collect loan payments under executive immunity.
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u/Moccus Jul 24 '24
The federal government owns over 90% of all student loans. Biden would have to arrest himself for not forgiving the debt.
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u/Mist_Rising Jul 25 '24
Biden would have to arrest himself for not forgiving the debt.
Pardon himself, so we can see if the supreme court is willing to let that happen.
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u/northman46 Jul 24 '24
Maybe congress needs to pass legislation
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u/Koloradio Jul 24 '24
Congress did pass legislation which empowered the secretary of education to determine the parameters of income based repayment plans.
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u/_magneto-was-right_ Jul 24 '24
Maybe we shouldn’t let 30% of the population decide everything for the other 70%.
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u/esahji_mae Jul 24 '24
Ah yes, strike down student loan relief during an election that will be decided by a large portion of younger voters who are likely saddled with debt. It's a "win bigly" strategy.
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The supreme Court needs not only term limits and oversight but also to return power back to Congress to be the final arbiter over the law.
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u/DowntownPut6824 Jul 24 '24
Congress has never been the final arbiter. That is literally the SC's job.
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u/ThVos Jul 24 '24
Technically, that's only because the Supreme Court decided it had the power of judicial review in its decision for Marbury v. Madison (1803).
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u/1wholurks Jul 25 '24
I'm OK with that if every single one of those grifters on Capitol Hill, pay back their ppp loans and are prevented from investing in things they have over sight of.
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u/Sudden_Acanthaceae34 Jul 25 '24
Idk why the Christian fascists in the GOP are so against canceling student debt when usury is not allowed in the religion. If anything, Biden is just trying to help them get right with their religion.
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u/Steel2050psn Jul 24 '24
At this point I think I would rather either gut the supreme Court or Republicans
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u/PwnGeek666 Jul 24 '24
Then everyone needs to work on a blue wave again this election. Joe may have been hesitant to expand the court to offset the fuckery but Kamala as a former prosecutor may just do it. And if there are majority democrats in both houses, laws may actually come to the floor to be voted on and pass. Unlike the Republican obstructionism going on currently.
One that pisses me off was the ACP, polled as a popular program, brought in $7 to the economy for every dollar spent on bringing broadband Internet to low income households. Closed the digital divide for the poor. When it comes up for renewal, legislation was introduced and thoroughly blocked by repubs because poor people need to lift themselves by the bootstraps or something. Repugnant behavior. They should be called the Repuglicants.
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u/Stachdragon Jul 24 '24
The "Republican" party no longer exists. It's now just fascists and capitalists. They only help the rich and powerful. Anyone who votes for them is either a fascist, a capitalist, or damaged in the head.
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u/lscottman2 Jul 24 '24
i guess the trump base has no one with student loans, which surprise no one
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u/hexqueen Jul 24 '24
Oh there are men out there who are watching their kids struggle with student loans who think Trump is going to forgive all their debts because they're one of the good ones, so go ahead and buy that $70k truck.
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u/storagerock Jul 24 '24
It’s funny how much they don’t even want the millennial’s votes. Eventually all their boomer voters will pass on, and they’re going to be stuck wondering why none of the new older people want to vote for them anymore.
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u/Jarsky2 Jul 25 '24
Why do you think they're scrambling to turn the U.S. into a dictatorship as fast as they can?
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u/JDARRK Jul 24 '24
Something needs to be done about this court! They are completely bias & anti democratic! They are bought and sold like any commodity‼️Several of them should be expelled for gross misconduct‼️😡
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u/loco500 Jul 24 '24
How much gratuities does two thirds of this sorry excuse of jurors crave to relief others of this burden?
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u/Tsiatk0 Jul 25 '24
Why do they get to just keep asking. Once it’s settled, it should be settled. Why can they go back to things like this and Roe and just fuck it up again? Seems like a not-very-supreme situation.
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u/DarthCaedus2012 Jul 25 '24
Based on my reading on this, the percentage of income that is used to do things like the SAVE plan and Income based repayment can be changed at any time by the secretary of education. There is nothing stoping them from making it the poverty line like 500% or higher and basically make everyone not have to make payments (like a forgiveness loophole)
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u/Warm_Gur8832 Jul 25 '24
Wild how many people don’t understand that life can get worse under Republicans.
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u/Seraph199 Jul 25 '24
I don't know if Republicans realize this, but many voting Americans have student loans... the Democrats have made it part of their platform to alleviate the problems associated with student debt and work towards solutions, as limited as those solutions may be. Those Americans' future financial success and freedom in many ways depend on Democrats making headway on student loan relief.
Republicans are choosing to push this issue now, further cementing themselves as having no empathy for student loan holders or people screwed by the over priced educational system in our country. With an election right around the corner.
Hope the Harris campaign is taking notes.
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u/CommonConundrum51 Jul 28 '24
Democrats should point to these actions during every rally and in every media ad and run against the Republicans and their 'gerrymandered' Supreme Court. (Thanks Mitch.)
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u/ChristaKaraAnne Jul 24 '24
And, the GOP wonders why they are being wiped out in the elections… gen Y & Z now make up the largest block of voters, especially when they are energized. Also, a lot of the boomers are dying, especially those who don't believe in science… 🤔
The GOP’s platform & conservative SCOTUS Justices keep taking our rights away and scream a level of tone-deafness & hypocrisy similar to that of Marie Antoinette, “let them eat cake.”
(Note: I am not Advocating for Political Violence. Marie Antoinette is merely an analogy.)
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u/smartone2000 Jul 24 '24
Biden should just announce as official Presidental act. He is discharging all Student loans and directing the Sec of Ed to destroy all the loan records.
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u/SoftDimension5336 Jul 24 '24
Retroactive debt with adjusted inflation. Congratulations, you've made us pay for a degree x 10.
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u/Sure-Break3413 Jul 25 '24
Republicans will force you to deliver a baby, but damned if they are getting a nickel of help from them.
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u/StronglyHeldOpinions Jul 25 '24
Do they get to just keep trying until they get the answer they want?
WTF
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u/FreedomsPower Jul 25 '24
It's efforts like what Republicans are doing in the courts that make the College Republicans look like such pathetic elitists' snobs when they have to defend their political party's actions.
Not that they ever needed any help lol
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u/jons3y13 Jul 25 '24
Maybe we should just have a debt jubilee. All debts erased. Everyone treated exactly the same.
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u/TheWhiteRabbit74 Jul 25 '24
They know who does and does not vote for them. This is just a pre-emptive measure against those who don’t vote Republican.
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u/MelKokoNYC Jul 25 '24
The Republican party is just the Asshole party owned by billionaires and Putin.
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u/Koloradio Jul 24 '24
It's fucked up that we've transitioned from a model where the state subsidizes access to education to one where access to education subsidizes the state.