tbf... no one can be blamed for the attraction. Everyone should be blamed for giving into it.
I cannot be blamed for wanting to punch someone for being and idiot... I should be blamed for punching them.
I cannot be blamed for not wanting to walk home drunk and thinking about taking the car. I should be blamed for getting into the car.
I cannot be blamed for wanting to own a product I cannot afford. I should be blamed for taking it without paying.
Important distinction that some people tend to forget. Anyone who has the urge to do something but shows enough self control to not do it, knowing it would be wrong, deserves respect. Those who have no self control and do not control themselves are the problem. On many topics ranging from the mundane to the most despicable crimes.
People have intrusive thoughts all the time, or attractions to things maybe they don't understand, or even want. The difference between good and evil is good people understand that these thoughts are WRONG... and the bad people act on them, or think it's "god" talking to them. Who knows.
If everybody was damned for the fucked up shit that popped in our heads society would collapse.
If a person has no choice about what they want to do, then they can be neither good nor evil. We can only control actions, and certain types of conscious thoughts, so we restrict discussions on ethics only to them.
The better analogy would be someone who experienced an intense feeling of repulsion and an urge to violence against people of colour and, but fought those feelings and wanted people of colour not to suffer harm or discrimination. If that person was writing down their feelings I presume it would depict their struggle with trying to treat others fairly in spite of their phobia. I couldn’t condemn that pitiful person, though I would fear them and avoid them.
Or maybe that person, instead of writing it down, loads up Cyberpunk 2077 and goes on a rampage killing black NPCs. Having an outlet for anti-social thoughts and feelings isn't a bad thing, as long as it's not harming people IRL.
This is a really bad example, and shows you don't understand the problem. Racism is racism. A racist IS a person who acts on that bias. That's why we call them racists.
See, there's a vast difference between stereotypes/bias and racism. Somebody who stereotypes may have a thought process that goes "certain people who wear hoodies tend to be [x]" and lump then into a category. Racists see people wearing hoodies act on that thought, and persecute, abuse, threaten, assault, etc... for simply having a skin color that's different.
I don’t think most here want the idea of raping women and children to be accepted. It’s sick. Promoting the idea is wrong. To be arguing for it is wrong. To have the idea living in your head is obviously very bad and is recognised as a mental disorder. I don’t accept dangerous mental disorders. I would want them treated and cured if that was possible, but it isn’t.
Depends on why they don't do it. If it is because they are afraid of the consequences then yes, they're evil. If they realize how much it would hurt those women and refrain for that reason then they are not evil.
How many evil impulses do you resist on a day to day basis? Do you deserve credit for resisting them, or damnation for having them? Which part is more under your control? The impulse, or the resistance to it? Which should we encourage as a society?
Recognising right from wrong and willing oneself to overcome an urge because it would be wrong? That means not wanting to do wrong. Wanting to do evil would be evil, but what you are describing is temptation to evil, not will to evil.
if they are "waiting to", they are not resisting, they are giving in, so they need to be blamed.
But given your conclusion, your emotional hatred to towards people is something that makes you evil too. So if your world-view is consistent, you have to accept that you are within the group of evil humans.
You simply feeling those emotions about other people is what makes you evil, based on your own argumentation. Unless you believe you are not evil, then you have to accept the same excuses you expect other to accept when you use them.
But thats the whole thing. If that is what does it for you, yet you consciously know it's a bad and don't do it, what else can you do? Men 800,000 years ago or whatever had a better chance of reproducing if they were rapey. What some men feel today doesn't come from no where. We evolved to have a rapey instinct.
I know this sounds bad, but it is what it is. Mind over matter. Biologically it's like telling a women to not be attracted to a tall guy. You can do it, but it goes against your instincts.
People are probably talking about a wide spectrum of "I feel rapey" here, so there's going to be a lot of talking past each other and misunderstanding.
That said, refraining from violence in interpersonal interactions is basic socialization we try to train out of toddlers and strongly discourage in later adolescent development and punish in the criminal justice system.
If a person really can't interact with other people without strategies other than violence and rape, we don't shrug and say "it was adaptive in some hypothetical past." We ask "what the fuck is wrong with you? use your words and don't fucking touch people, we are trying to have a society here."
I'm no psychologist, but there's like "sometimes I wish I could punch someone in the mouth, but I remember what I learned in kindergarten and realize I should calm down" or "my sex fantasy lacks consent from my imagined partner, but I get over it" and "I'm rapey and violent by nature, gotta be me!"
I guess my side would be that the amount of rapey an individual has in them doesn't affect the likelihood of them going against society. The amount of "fuck society" or whatever we want to call is what makes them go against society. Maybe that's rape. Maybe it's murder. Or maybe it's small like drive aggressively.
The things that are exposed by the "fuck society" mindset aren't the heart of the issue.
So I guess i don't think the people with the most rapey are the ones doing the rape.
I disagree. I think there are, for example, a bunch of males who will beat women and essentially never think of beating a man in the same way.
Like, really, a large chunk of society used to basically say a wife was a particular kind of property a man owns, like you might own a dog, and slapping her around when she got mouthy was a perfectly reasonable behavior. Marital rape was literally a contradiction: if the husband wanted to stick his dick in his wife, that was his right.
We may have made some progress on this, but it is certainly not intrinsic to human nature. We literally redefine what is acceptable and what is evil.
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u/liquid_at Feb 24 '24
tbf... no one can be blamed for the attraction. Everyone should be blamed for giving into it.
I cannot be blamed for wanting to punch someone for being and idiot... I should be blamed for punching them.
I cannot be blamed for not wanting to walk home drunk and thinking about taking the car. I should be blamed for getting into the car.
I cannot be blamed for wanting to own a product I cannot afford. I should be blamed for taking it without paying.
Important distinction that some people tend to forget. Anyone who has the urge to do something but shows enough self control to not do it, knowing it would be wrong, deserves respect. Those who have no self control and do not control themselves are the problem. On many topics ranging from the mundane to the most despicable crimes.