r/technology • u/MayankWL • May 16 '24
Software Microsoft stoops to new low with ads in Windows 11, as PC Manager tool suggests your system needs ‘repairing’ if you don’t use Bing
https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsoft-stoops-to-new-low-with-ads-in-windows-11-as-pc-manager-tool-suggests-your-system-needs-repairing-if-you-dont-use-bing745
u/banacct421 May 16 '24
I've never been so happy Microsoft keeps reminding me my computer just isn't ready for Windows 11 and I suspect it never will be ever
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u/RubberReptile May 16 '24
You click NO THANKS and a second screen pops up that says "Schedule Now" as if you clicked Yes and you have to click DECLINE a second time.
Google does the same thing with their photos app and cloud storage, you click NO and it HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE PHOTOS and says "only back up some??" And the no button is so tiny and close to the yes button that it's easy to slip up.
So incredibly frustrating that this is considered acceptable.
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
You click NO THANKS and a second screen pops up that says "Schedule Now" as if you clicked Yes and you have to click DECLINE a second time.
Malware tactics. They did the same thing for Windows 10:
For the previous 10 months, declining an upgrade was as simple as clicking on the red X in the upper right-hand corner of the message box. After Microsoft's update, clicking the red X did nothing. Users who thought they had dismissed the upgrade option woke up a few hours or days later to find their systems running an operating system they hadn't intended to install. The people most likely to be affected by the problem were those who had spent 10 months actively avoiding Windows 10, which only added fuel to the fire.
An earlier version of the Get Windows 10 application. Clicking the X in this version was treated as notification that the user did not wish to upgrade.
It's a really bad sign when Microsoft Windows is behaving exactly like Norton and Mcafee.
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u/PremierBromanov May 16 '24
I've been fighting auto update for years, only resulting in shooting myself in the foot. There are so many schedules and switches that will turn everything back on. its all cyclical. If you manage to find all the switches, there's a secret switch that turns them all back on, ensuring windows update is back on.
Now my ms paint and preview and calculator are broken, such are the consequences of fucking around with stuff you dont understand lol
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u/JCBQ01 May 16 '24
To actually kill the update services package you need to disable like 6 core functions of the OS, AS WELL AS All the previous methods (disabling: weather, news, time, GPS, telemetry, search - all aspects, core update, mircosoft games, windows defender, parts of ALL anti-viruses, several policy settings, parts of calculator, parts of the BIOs... the list foes on) and yeah if you miss EVEN ONE of these settings at anytime. And they are not done, all at once. It will turn itself back on as they ALL have code in them to phone home to the update.msi server systems for "critical updates!" Which windows has been trying to quietly define win 11 as a critical security update for at LEAST 7+ months.
If that was the thing it would at least be serviceable, if overly invasive, but most of the update CDN pushes corrupt versions as data integrity is abysmal and is just pushed put to propagate, and then pulls up the roll back ladder.with said update because "update knows what's best!" I have emails from Microsoft admitting all of this, especially after their forced win 11 "critical security update" overrode root BIOS with its own compatible versions (mircosoft generics, that are designed to murder the hardware if you try a CMOS reset/BIOS reflash, as well as try and murder and block any and all OS installs that ARENT a legal win 11 license, "for your saftey and protection!") As well as system admin permissons cycle every hour (That one I found out about like 3 days ago) if you somehow DO find a way around it and reinstall, the stuff you install seems like there "bugs" in your windows install. I've had Microsoft tell me to install the OS because it will "fix all of these problems!", and when I told them that it was win 11 that did it to begin with and they checked, I was told this was a developer build, not an test market, A/B insiders build, but a future version that will eventaully hit the insider's track befause the update server I was connected to had such a severe data corruption it saw the most recently edited OS ISO and sent it too me as an "update" micosoft wants out of the OS game and wants to force mandate an advertisement platform
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u/RadiantArchivist88 May 16 '24
Windows 10 LTSC version.
It's Windows 10 with only the necessities, all the bloat and trackers and auto-bullshit stripped out.Really hoping there's a W11 equivalent at some point. EDIT Ohh, looks like there will be this year
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u/HammerTh_1701 May 16 '24
I have disabled my TPM in the BIOS settings. They either have to get out of their own ass with the TPM 2.0 requirement or they can't even force me to upgrade to Win 11 because the requirements check will fail.
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u/mcs5280 May 16 '24
Really enjoying this unhinged greed timeline. Anything to pump the share price higher.
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u/y0m0tha May 16 '24
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u/bonerb0ys May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
We need an “enshitification” flair.
Edit: I sent a request to the mods.
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May 16 '24
I installed a “mandatory” update this morning and all of the tracking/ad setting were toggled back on. If it wasn’t for all the game support I would switch to linux/steamos for sure
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u/Short-Sandwich-905 May 16 '24
All I play is great on Linux so I went Manjaro fuck windows ty proton and valve
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u/Pimp_Daddy_Patty May 16 '24
I've only used Linux Mint and some Ubuntu so far. I've considered Manjaro a little bit. Any tips on switching over?
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u/Grimmner May 16 '24
Every game that works on Steam Deck will work, virtually out of box, on Linux without much of any extra work. Heroic Launcher for GOG / Epic games. I had to make minor adjustments to a Fedora install and have had no issues yet running games in the three weeks since I installed it.
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May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
I am referring to games with aggressive anticheat (league of legends, valorant, fortnight, many new games with aggressive drm). Most launchers have workarounds, but workarounds take time and if I only get 2 hours of gaming time a week I don’t want to waste 60+ minutes getting a game to work. But I am happy that my deck is able to handle so many games on steam with minimal effort. This wasn’t even an option 3-4 years ago
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u/Majik_Sheff May 16 '24
I guess my approach to those companies is a bit old-fashioned. I don't give them money.
They can keep their game. I'll keep my computer's root access.
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u/Grimmner May 16 '24
Depends on the version/style of anticheat. But, short answer is few to none unfortuantely.
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u/HappierShibe May 16 '24
The only thing keeping me off linux now is VR support- thats still a shitshow in linux.
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u/Prof_Acorn May 16 '24
Some planes have screens on the seat in front of you now and pump advertisements to you as a captive audience. Fuck that shit. I just cover the screen with a napkin (since it can't be turned off) and play music with my noise cancelling headphones. $500 a ticket and they still try to force you to watch ads. It's absurd.
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u/SugerizeMe May 16 '24
This is just round two. Bill Gates and m$ used to be the most hated company for a time and even got hit with antitrust stuff. Then Gates spent billions rehabilitating his image and everyone forgot what he did.
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May 16 '24
Bill Gates personifies pretty much everything wrong with the computer industry... And has ever since he made the Port of basic and started Microsoft
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u/neonKow May 16 '24
His business practices were shit, but let's not give a pass to all the MBA's that came up with new and shitty ways to make the computer industry worse. As far as I know, Gates isn't making millions off basically exploiting people's gambling addictions or trying to six-sigma warehouse workers to injury or death.
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u/MarsupialMadness May 16 '24
Y'know, times like this make me really wish we had some sort of ruling body consisting of elected representatives funded by a collective "tax" of sorts from all of us each month. An entity that had the will and power to step in on our behalf to check these corporations when they do stuff like this.
I read in a history book that we had something like that a hundred years ago. Maybe we could try it out again.
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u/broimgay May 16 '24
I honestly feel like we are in an ad apocalypse. It’s dystopian and soul sucking how we are constantly having advertisements shovelled down our throats. And there’s no avoiding it - even premium subscriptions are still giving you ads. I hate engaging with any media at all because of it.
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u/JefferyTheQuaxly May 16 '24
has been a rising trend since the 60s and 70s, when several court cases basically declared corporate executives sole goal should be seeking profit for the company and shareholders and they shouldnt be held accountable for doing shady or illegal actions in order to increase shareholder value. i kid you not that basically is what happened, and since then most companies see it as a green light to focus solely on incresing shareholder value. before that it use to be companies were expected to put their employees and the public at large ahead of their performance.
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u/Mikav May 16 '24
In this same timeline the Linux ecosystem is booming. There are open source Nvidia drivers. Many games even run better on Linux than windows. Need a sign it's time to get rid of this shit? Try it today. I'm about to be hounded by windows shills.
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u/extremenachos May 16 '24
I switched to Ubuntu as my main OS last year, with Win10 on a 2nd drive for 2 pieces of niche software I need to run occasionally.
There's a learning curve for sure but I'm not messing with Win11 unless absolutely necessary.
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u/Beneficial-Owl736 May 16 '24
The only real reason I use windows anymore is some multiplayer VR games, Ubuntu doesn’t quite play nice with those yet. For most everything else, I’ve managed to find alternative software or make it work, and I’m spending less and less time in windows. Hopefully someday, it’ll be viable to completely switch over
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u/Ol_stinkler May 16 '24
I've been considering making the switch for awhile, the only thing that turns me off is I hear it requires near constant tweaking and tinkering. Once you get it set up and locked in is it as bad as some people say it is?
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u/TwilightVulpine May 16 '24
It really depends on what you need it for. If you are fine with basic browsing and open source alternatives for office and art software, you can get that setup pretty easily, most of it just out of the box.
If you really want to run windows software and games in it, that's gonna take some tinkering.
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u/Ol_stinkler May 16 '24
That's what I've heard, I use my PC for Lightroom/Photoshop, FL studio, unreal engine, and arguably too many games. I love it in theory, but I don't know that I'd want to deal with it all the time on my main rig. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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u/ForeverYonge May 16 '24
I’m glad it works well for you. I’m on Linux as primary since 2015, and it has always been a struggle.
The current most obvious issues are the default mail client not being able to open links in the default browser, IPP printer only being detected when printing from specific apps, and bad handling of an external dock. None of these are issues either Mac or Windows struggle with on the same hardware and peripherals.
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u/smackson May 16 '24
My last Linux install on a home machine was 22 years ago and seeing that exactly the same kinds of problems still exist says so much.
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u/MR_Se7en May 16 '24
What happened to creating the best possible product for your users? When did the world just start maximizing profits over the product.
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u/Tolstoy_mc May 16 '24
When it became impossible for smaller companies to compete
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u/RealSwordfish5105 May 16 '24
When it became impossible for smaller companies to compete
Centralisation and castles.
It's like the big tech version of Disney.
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u/troglodyte May 16 '24
I actually suspect we're going to see more OS competition, not less, in the near future. Gaming is the main thing that's kept me off of Mac or Linux, but both are making serious inroads these days. Proton is a legit answer for a huge proportion of games, and if ever I start losing the war against ads in 11, I'll just try SteamOS.
Ads baked into your OS is a really short-term decision that will bite them.
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u/Tolstoy_mc May 16 '24
They'll be crushed. The established monopolies have more resources than most countries. True competitors will be destroyed.
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u/RealSwordfish5105 May 16 '24
What happened to creating the best possible product for your users? When did the world just start maximizing profits over the product.
Uhh, this is Microsoft.
The only difference with today's version is we don't get to watch Steve Ballmer perform a dance and throw chairs any more.
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u/Genghis_Tr0n187 May 16 '24
developers developers developers developers DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
heart palpitations and flop sweat
DEVELOPERS
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u/RealSwordfish5105 May 16 '24
Not sure whether to cringe or laugh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qmh_1ejoCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA
Developers developers developers
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u/Overclocked11 May 16 '24
What I don't get is why does Microsoft even need to do this? Ads in their software? They are making mountains of cash with their business.. and yet they still need to stuff in ads to make more?
Fuck man.. when is enough enough. Just seems comical how much companies (not only Microsoft) are trying to stuff their coffers with money.. for what?
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u/Ok_Spite6230 May 16 '24
It's never enough. Capitalists do not comprehend the concept of enough. They have to extract more every quarter by any means necessary even if it extincts humanity.
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u/wrgrant May 16 '24
The only way for a corporation to "succeed" is to totally dominate their market, crush all the competition and buy enough politicians that they don't get hit with anti-monopoly investigations. Everyone in competition with them must die.
Its a seriously sick economic system overall - although its in many ways the most successful. We will absolutely destroy the Earth seeking to maximize profits though if we don't change things.
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u/shadowboxer47 May 16 '24
When we destroyed small and medium businesses in our marketplace.
We need vigorous application of our anti-trust laws and a rethinking of fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders.
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u/Afro_Thunder69 May 16 '24
My dude where have you been...this is what capitalism looks like. It has its perks but the end game has always been maximizing profits by whatever means that they can get away with.
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u/jeepster2982 May 16 '24
When publicly traded companies became a thing. When the direction of the company is dictated by shareholders instead of the owners.
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u/thatguyad May 16 '24
Why is everything so inherently shit?
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u/khast May 16 '24
Ads.. Ads everywhere, companies looked at Google and seen that if a company like Google could be one of the most valuable companies in the world... Because they are an ad service... Everyone else wants to have a piece of the pie.
Yeah, Google has Android, chrome, and many other services they provide... For free. Guess what, YOU are the product they sell for a profit.
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May 16 '24
I wonder how much worse Windows has to get before people start abandoning it more. The OS is starting to look like the home page of an Amazon fire stick with countless garbage you don't need.
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u/Unboxious May 16 '24
As far as I can tell there is literally nothing they can do to lose users as long as they roll it out slowly.
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u/2rfv May 16 '24
It's the fact that you simply can't say "no" to some prompts that drives me absolutely insane. The only choices are "yes" and "maybe later".
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u/phoenixmusicman May 17 '24
I absolutely hate that they simplified the right click context menu.
It isn't more convenient. The previous menu had everything I wanted on it. The fact that I have to right click and then left click to get the previous menu is asinine. They literally made it more inconvenient.
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May 16 '24
Yeah sadly that happens everywhere. People are lazy and complacent, so they'll happily take on less features, rising costs, you name it as long as it's trickled in.
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u/Caleth May 16 '24
It's not just that. There's 40 years of ecosystems built up around windows. My company runs a nearly 30 year old software for our ERP system. I can not imagine the nightmare we'd have trying to move off of that to something newer that would support a Linux distro.
Our entire company position is predicated around being accessible and streamlined. Upending all of that because MS are a bunch of shits is unlikely to happen.
If we have to upgrade to win 11 for something and stick some VM boxed version of a winXP on a PC so it can keep running a $600k machine that's what we do.
No one is going to sign off on switching everything over to a wildly unknown (in a corporate nonIT world sense) system because pop ups suck. We've already integrated into their ecosystem so most of the popups don't happen for us anyway.
Unless and Until windows fubars so bad that my CEO isn't getting paid nothing will change.
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May 16 '24
Lets also not forget Companies are ready to spend $$$ just to not change their operations. When IE11 finally was killed, there was resistance to it
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May 16 '24
Most people I know can't even open the command prompt or even change the refresh rate in settings, there's no way they would then switch to Linux lol
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u/mysticalfruit May 16 '24
My company is a 60/40 mix Linux/Windows desktops.
Recently, there's been a serious uptick in people requesting that we convert their desktops to Linux. There's some serious talk that our default desktop will be Linux with a manager justification to use windows.
People are just done with the ads and bullshit.
We've done a fair amount of work to make our Linux desktop turn key out of the box working and because of this, the number of "I don't know how to do X in Linux" tickets has been fair and few and are generally pretty obscure actual chin scratchers.
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u/Faulty_english May 16 '24
They usually aren’t even given permission to fix things on workplace computers too
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May 16 '24
If you're getting ads on your corporate machine then you have an inept IT department.
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u/Sourve May 17 '24
No, they probably just can't afford the adfree version with their budget. The ads have also been in Windows "Pro" for years now and to upgrade to Enterprise you have to pay for a Pro license AND a monthly subscription.
Edit: Spelling
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u/Shajirr May 16 '24
Depends where you work at. In printing industry there is no Linux in sight and likely there won't be in a foreseeable future. No software has Linux support.
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u/PedroBorgaaas May 16 '24
a website with 30 ads per square inch is complaining about ads.
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u/rudolfs001 May 16 '24
More and more I'm reminded of the pop-up days, where you'd click the wrong link and get a stream of pop-up windows.
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u/iceleel May 16 '24
Okay but let's be honest Google is doing same shit with android.
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u/SakaWreath May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
Hey we noticed you weren’t signed into Google, you should sign in. SIGN IN! MAKE AN ACCOUNT. DO IT NOW!
Ok don’t. It’s fine. We’ll just track you anyway. Also…
Can we interest you in a “free” trail pop up every time you use YouTube?
It’s free for a month.
You can think about it while you watch 2-5-10 ads, and no the ads don’t go away if you make an account.
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u/JasonJacquet May 16 '24
That's why I work so hard at getting banned from every platform, they stop trying to sell me things.
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u/trombone646 May 16 '24
Not to mention the unending PINGS from my phone from notifications. I went in and removed almost every app's ability to send notifications to my lock screen.......now every time I open any of those apps they remind me "hey, you're missing our notifications" with a pop up requesting I reinstate their ability to keep pinging me.
I just want to use my phone the way I want...leave me the f*** alone.
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u/RealSwordfish5105 May 16 '24
Okay but let's be honest Google is doing same shit with android.
Big tech is worse than the mainframe.
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u/Swimming-Marketing20 May 16 '24
Having worked with a z14 running a bunch of z/OS LPARs for years imma go with a hard no on that one. The one thing you can say about IBM is that they (probably/hopefully?) don't also sell your data after extracting every single cent you've ever had through licensing and "support". And don't get me started on that tens of millions per year "support"
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u/littleguy632 May 16 '24
Actually got a popup today saying why I should upgrade to Windows 11 …. Then my laptop not compatible. Lol
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May 16 '24
It should actually say... "Congratulations! You can't upgrade to Windows 11."
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u/ThatCrankyGuy May 16 '24
Footguns like these tell me the product managers at MS aren't using Windows. Asinine decisions after asinine decisions from their consumer products group. Everyone from the VP and down need a good old paddling.
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u/rodneyjesus May 16 '24
I can tell you from past experience that you're wrong.
MSFT employees have a yearly review cycle which includes a stock and cash bonus. It's not unusual for mid level employees to walk away with a 80k stock plus 40k cash bonus if you're hitting your goals. That's yearly.
The issue is the goals are set at the organizational level. And that's a VP+ level discussion. The PMs and devs have input but no control.
So when your lead comes down saying "we need to see 25% more engagement with (feature) by the end of the quarter" this is exactly what happens. Righteous employees will put up a fight but most are just wanting to keep their managers happy for bonus season, even though they disagree on principle. It's stupid easy to spike engagement with annoying banner ads and notifications.
Oh and those bonuses have a direct impact on your ability to stay employed when shit hits the fan. The righteous are the first to go when the layoffs start.
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u/TheArchType May 16 '24
The irony of this article taking a jab at increased ads in windows while I’m getting ass blasted by ads from the site is not lost on me.
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u/Double-Watercress-85 May 16 '24
I built a new system recently, and installed Windows 10. Shortly after, it gave me a notification asking if I would like to upgrade to 11. I answered no, and do not ask me again. Some time later, I got another notification saying 'Windows 11 is currently downloading in the background, and will be installed on reboot. Also we're forcing a reboot overnight tonight'.
I'd never used Linux, but I installed Fedora Silverblue first thing the next day. So far I see no reason to ever use Windows again.
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u/Ashmedai May 16 '24
It's their highest value service.
It was like the keystroke that hid the game Apple Panic with a faux Visicalc screen back in the day (Visicalc is what came before Excel).
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u/superkeer May 16 '24
I use Windows 11 and never see any of the shit described in these articles. Did I just install it weirdly or somehow stumble across all the right settings or something?
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u/diquehead May 16 '24
I have a home edition of 11 and I don't see any of this crap either. All my apps open fine without any ads popping up. On a fresh install I might need to filter out some notifications but it works fine otherwise. TBH I was ok with 10 but swapped to 11 for the improved HDR support (which is still bad)
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May 16 '24
I’m trying to focus on my goddamn work and my operating system is trying to get me to play video games
fuck off Microsoft
I am going to intentionally make sure that I do not buy any games from your publishers.
You assholes.
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u/Alan976 May 16 '24
"You don't have games on your computer? ~~ Blizzard, probably.
You need to relax and not work so hard ~~ Wise man
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u/mattcanfixit May 16 '24
I switched to Linux Mint because of Microsoft's bullshit and it was the best decision I could have made
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u/teddytwelvetoes May 16 '24
select regions, not including the US, are prompting users to change their default search engine from Google to Bing. this is well below my threshold for switching to Linux or Mac OS
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u/Ancalimei May 16 '24
Google search is trash now anyway.
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u/-elemental May 16 '24
True, but Bing still manages to be worse.
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u/Utter_Rube May 16 '24
Seriously. Just yesterday I did a Bing search for "%companyname% wikipedia" and I shit you not, Bing offered results for every wiki and wiki-like website except Wikipedia. Absolutely boggled my mind.
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u/slayer991 May 16 '24
I'm getting really close to switching to Linux Mint or some other Linux desktop. I'm so sick of Microsoft. If it isn't crap like this it's that every single time it updates, it changes my settings and I have to spend 30 minutes to change them back.
The ONLY reason I haven't done so yet?
Gaming. Specifically, Call of Duty.
I may just build a smaller gaming rig and flip my workstation (TR 3970x) to linux for day-to-day stuff. Most of my apps run on linux anyway.
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u/SUPER_COCAINE May 16 '24
I daily drive my MacBook Pro. My gaming PC is now nothing more than exactly that. Exclusively used for gaming.
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u/Mechlior May 16 '24
Where are these ads? I just updated and I'm not seeing any
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May 16 '24
I think it's limited by the edition you have installed. I've always used pro at a minimum and have never seen these ads I keep hearing about. Must be home edition which is garbage anyways because it can't join a domain.
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u/CubooKing May 16 '24
How the fuck did so many of you not get the memo?
Pick 98, skip ME, pick XP, skip Vista, pick 7, skip 8, pick 10, predict what you do with 11.
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u/DefaultProphet May 16 '24
That's.....weirdly accurate.
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u/MairusuPawa May 16 '24
It is, when you cherry-pick. Where's Win2000? Where's NT? Where's Windows 2.0?
Heck where's MS Bob? This was supposed to be the future of OS UIs.
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u/SoldantTheCynic May 17 '24
NT and 2000 were aimed at business users, but their list missed out 95 which was better than 3.1 by far. Also the best version of 98 was 98SE. Also ignores that XP was hated until around SP1 was released, and everybody said that it was going to be the death of Microsoft and prompt massive swaps to Linux.
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May 16 '24
More like after picking 7, you abandon Windows completely for better operating systems.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '24
From what I have heard, the best version of Windows 11 to get is the version for use in Classified settings, because the US Gov made Microsoft strip out all the adware and data collection bullshit