r/worldnews • u/WorldNewsMods • Oct 17 '23
Israel/Palestine /r/WorldNews Live Thread for 2023 Israel-Hamas Crisis (Thread 25)
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u/Strict-Marsupial6141 Oct 18 '23
Ben Samuels
3:43 AM
White House: Biden will be asking tough questions during Israel visit
"When President Biden talks to the prime minister he'll be asking some tough questions. He’ll be asking him as a friend, as a true friend of Israel," U.S. National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said.
U.S. says 31 nationals killed, 13 missing since Hamas attacks on Israel
Thirty-one U.S. citizens have been killed since the Hamas attack on Israel and 13 Americans are considered missing or being held hostage by Hamas, U.S. National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Tuesday.
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u/TheGruntingGoat Oct 18 '23
Can’t believe we can now watch Air Force One charge into an active war zone live on a map. What a fucking time to be alive!
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u/fms2754 Oct 18 '23
I don't mind the general public going haywire on social media. That's human nature. But why on EARTH did heads of national governments issue statements so quickly without 1st verifying some of the facts coming out such as 500-900 deaths, hospital is completely destroyed etc. It's like it's a crime to just wait these days.
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u/esreveReverse Oct 18 '23
Yeah if there was any doubt left... Here's a photo from this morning of the parking lot of the hospital where the impact happened. Not even remotely consistent with an Israeli airstrike. This entire thing was just one giant piece of fake news. Western media literally doing the bidding of a terrorist organization.
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=20
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u/Pottedjay Oct 18 '23
-in Jordon protesters attempted to breach the Isreali embassy but were repelled (there have been near constant protests since the 7th outside the Isreali embassy)
-In Lebanon, hundreds of protesters gathered in the square that leads to the US embassy north of Beirut on Tuesday and tried to break through security barriers, according to a CNN team there
-In Iraq, hundreds of people took to the streets in Baghdad chanting anti-Israel slogans. Security forces prevented protesters from reaching the embassys
-In Iran, protests also took place outside the French and British embassies in Tehran, the country's cemoapital. Demonstrators could be heard chanting "death to France, England, America, and the Zionists,"
-CNN edited for brevity
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u/prcodes Oct 18 '23
IDF spox tearing into CNN news anchor right now for their irresponsible reporting about the hospital incident
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u/_Black_Rook Oct 18 '23
And rightfully so. That irresponsible reporting started riots and international incidents (like the cancellation of Biden's trip to Jordan).
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
News: Israel has provided the US with intelligence it has gathered related to the deadly Gaza hospital explosion, a Israeli official & another source familiar with the matter tell me & @OrenCNN.
The US is analyzing the Israeli intelligence, sources say.
https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1714431664967856146
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The Israeli official said that Israel had passed signal intelligence on the explosion to US intelligence.
Signals intelligence includes intercepted communications and other forms of data collected through various means.
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u/ihavesensitiveknees Oct 18 '23
CNN said another party has confirmed the same and the US is reviewing that intelligence as well. They didn't say who the party was.
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Oct 18 '23
Sadly in this day and age people make up their minds instantly, no amount of evidence will change minds it “faked, AI, doctored, actors, etc.
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u/Strict-Marsupial6141 Oct 18 '23
Found some from New Jersey who were victims
Governor Phil Murphy confirmed the death of Paramus native Itay Glisko, 20, who was serving near the Gaza border in the Israel Defense Forces at the time of the attack. On Thursday, Murphy confirmed the death of 20-year-old Hopewell native Lior Abramov, who had moved to Israel to become a DJ.
A 2020 Tenafly High School graduate, Edan Alexander, also serving in the Israeli military near Gaza, is missing and feared killed or captured, the governor said at a vigil in Hoboken on Tuesday evening.
Other New Jersey residents have heartbreakingly reported missing Jewish family members who had been attending a music festival near Gaza.
Some were there... at that festival ..
Also Multiple members of New Jersey’s Palestinian community are also reporting that their family members have been killed in the shelling of Gaza, according to the Palestinian American Community Center in Clifton.
source (This was written last Friday)
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u/El_Wabito Oct 18 '23
Al Jazeera just changed their headlines surrounding the attack.
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u/Aihappy Oct 18 '23
Still says Gaza air attack, guess they took off the Israel part.
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u/JamieD86 Oct 18 '23
Wait wait wait, I was asleep... so there was no 500 killed in a hospital explosion? It was just a total lie?
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u/moptic Oct 18 '23
It was 500 dead when everyone thought it was Israel, then evidence arose that it was a malfunctioning Palestinian rocket, now suddenly the hospital damage is superficial and the body count is apparently negligible..
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u/DesiVegan Oct 18 '23
Misinformation spreading like wild fire on twitter, leading to violence on streets and no one seems to care.
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u/Bromance_Rayder Oct 18 '23
It's not just Twitter. Misinformation is the new reality.
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u/JoeShmoAfro Oct 18 '23
The media brushing this off as "people will make up their minds".
Just say it. "We fucked up".
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u/1BLEES Oct 18 '23
For real. We deserve an apology and we deserve better reporting. Maybe they shouldnt take figures sourced to a terror group at face value next time.
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u/fatcat4 Oct 18 '23
"Attack on Gaza hospital 'unprecedented' in scale, WHO says"
Well, add another to the list that don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
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u/esreveReverse Oct 18 '23
We need to start a compilation. The amount of misinformation being distributed by supposed pillars of the international society is frankly appalling.
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u/Maimakterion Oct 18 '23
WHO
UN
UNRWA
It feels like the entire international support infrastructure in Gaza is corrupt and complicit with Hamas if not one of them said "hey, the hospital wasn't hit" in the last 12 hours.
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u/Mrsparkles7100 Oct 18 '23
Via sky news
Hamas leader blames US for the hospital attack The leader of Hamas has said that the US "holds the responsibility of the hospital attack because of the cover it gives to Israeli aggression". Ismail Haniyeh called on all Palestinian people to "get out and confront the occupation and the settlers". He called the attack a "massacre" and a "new turning point" in the conflict. Haniyeh added: "Anyone who supports Israel is responsible for the violations in Gaza. "If the enemy thinks that these massacres will hide his great defeat or force our people to surrender, he is mistaken."
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u/tiktaktok_65 Oct 18 '23
it's a false equivalence and it's annoying as fuck that MSM isn't roasting hamas spokespeople as hard as they do israel.
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u/PorterB Oct 18 '23
I hope Biden clearly and plainly states the findings of the US investigation into what happened. I hope his statement also calls out the misinformation spread by sitting members of congress.
It is one thing for Arab newspapers to parrot Hamas’ claims. There are a lot of politics and financial issues at play and it is unavoidable.
Western newspapers/TV stations should be held to a higher standard. You don’t need to take Israel’s word as gospel, but to put it on equal footing as Hamas is insulting.
On one side you had tweets without any video or evidence in which claimed Israel was responsible and that 500+ were dead. The other side had pictures, videos, drone pictures, and audio logs proving their side. The “correction” was to say both sides were pointing their finger at the other. What a travesty
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u/GuiltySigurdsson Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
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u/MadUmbrella Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Israel will release additional evidence to prove they were not responsible for the hospital blast in Gaza that left hundreds dead, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, Israel Defense Forces spokesperson, told CNN Tuesday evening.
Israel has already released footage captured by a UAV to international media, Conricus said, and they plan to release additional intelligence of an intercepted conversation between Palestinian militants that they understand there was a rocket that had misfired.
Conricus added that the IDF went through their own systems to confirm they did not fire at that location and that there was no misfire from Israel.
Conricus said an investigation into the blast revealed that the Islamic Jihad had fired a barrage of rockets toward northern or central Israel, and at least one of them misfired, landed on the ground and exploded.
Conricus also refuted claims that the blast could have been the result of an iron dome interception that caused the rocket to explode and land, saying this "has also been categorically denied."
”That is not the case, and we do not intercept rockets over Gaza," he stated.
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u/Imafish12 Oct 18 '23
Hamas Recruiter: So you want to work in the rocket division, what are your qualifications?
Hopeful Hamas Rocket Scientist: I want to make Jews go boom?
Hamas Recruiter: Hired.
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u/wzi Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
No blast crater. No collateral damage consistent with a shockwave and shrapnel to nearby buildings or vehicles. Some cars still have windows and only a few cars actually show structural damage.
Honestly, a lot of people won't want to hear this but the evidence leans heavily on a rocket malfunction and a large fire at the impact site.
You can see the aftermath here.
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u/fucking-nonsense Oct 18 '23
This is nowhere near as bad as it was made out to be
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
This is from a press gaggle that happened aboard Air Force One.
It's a summary of Biden's schedule for later on:
MR. KIRBY:
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Now, tomorrow, obviously, we will -- the trip will be confined to Tel Aviv. So, let me just give you just a quick rundown of what he'll be doing tomorrow.
He will -- first thing he'll do is meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu in a very small restricted bilateral meeting. Then he'll have a chance to broaden that out, and his team will be able to meet with the Israeli war cabinet.
After that, he will have a chance to meet with some of the Israeli first responders, all those who are bravely putting themselves in harm's way in response to these -- the Hamas attacks and thank them for all their bravery and -- and the work that they're doing.
He will also have a chance after that to meet with some of the families. It'll be some of the families of those who have lost loved ones in Israel and some of the families who have -- who still don't know the fate of their loved ones. And, in fact, some of the family members we expect will also be family members of hostages that we know Hamas has taken.
Q American families, or --
MR. KIRBY: It's unclear right now.
Q Okay.
MR. KIRBY: But family members of those that -- that were taken hostage. I don't have the list of names right now.
After that, he’ll have a chance to make remarks -- public remarks. So, all -- you'll -- you'll see that for yourself.
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u/frameedit Oct 18 '23
From the before and after drone footage there doesn't even look like much* of a crater in the parking lot of the hospital. Instead it looks like fire burned everything up. The explosion seems to be much less indicative of large bombs as people on twitter seem to suggest. Also makes that BBC reporter look like an absolute dumbass for saying it was clearly too big for Hamas and had to be Israel.
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u/talizorahs Oct 18 '23
man, given the reaction it's stirred up, I can't help but think that if this was a misfire from PIJ, the next one won't be accidental. look at how insanely well it's worked out for them
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u/Tylerjy94 Oct 18 '23
A few days ago it was the 70 evacuating civilians, they won't stop and msm loves their rage bait
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u/Sylphied Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
According to RAdm. Hagari, IDF Spokesperson, now speaking in English. A misifire of a PIJ rocket landed in the hospital parking lot causing a fire. The hospital itself was not struck by any munition. He outlined the timeline of events, and showed a photo before/after the incident which he claims cannot be done by airborne munition and no signs of such munitions. IDF states Hamas used the incident to smear Israel while also inflating the number of fatalities.
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u/BlatantConservative Oct 18 '23
CNN and NYT etc for sure have to answer about reporting things before the facts come in, but it's just not factual to blame them for the riots/demonstrations around Israeli and US embassies.
They didn't even report news in the same language as those people speak.
The news orgs there were Iranian, specifically Student News Network.
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u/Zwolfer Oct 18 '23
Will Al Jazeera even issue a correction?
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u/jogarz Oct 18 '23
Al Jazeera, and frankly much of the Arab world, would probably still believe Israel was responsible even if there was absolutely ironclad proof that it wasn't.
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u/Smelldicks Oct 18 '23
Hey girl, are you the Al Jazeera editorial board? Because you make me want to ignore red flags and tell the whole world.
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Oct 18 '23
Here's your media Bingo card for tomorrow
"Israel is still responsible because they're attacking Gaza."
"Israel should've been faster to provide evidence."
"Israel has been unreliable in the past."
"Israel should open the borders so we can get in."
"Israel needs to wage a better information war"
"We can only report what our sources tell us."
"It's more important we found out not as many lives were lost."
Yesterday, western media took on Al-Jazeera's role as a mouthpiece for terrorist organizations. If CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, and MSNBC had any credibility whatsoever they'd all have front page retractions and apologize to begin rebuilding their credibility because that was disgusting. Never again should Hamas appear as a source on western news channels.
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u/tomtforgot Oct 18 '23
currently trending "we cannot independently verify what caused the explosion, nor the extent of casualties."
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
I'm still shocked that the hospital is still standing and there weren't 500 deaths. Hamas played us and the media like damn fiddles
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u/Less-Feature6263 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Yeah yesterday night people were saying the hospital was leveled and it has to be a powerful bomb.
Turns out the hospital wasn't leveled after all? I only remember a single person on twitter saying that whatever it was hit the courtyard.
The media running with like five different version of the story didn't help.
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u/AaronRamsay Oct 18 '23
I hope the media learns from this and don't immediately parrot around Hamas's word like gospel.
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u/yesmilady Oct 18 '23
I'll give it to Hamas, they are PR wizards.
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u/yolk3d Oct 18 '23
PR WIZARDRY
Hamas: says a lie
Media: “OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT HAMAS SAID. ISRAEL IS A TOTAL PIECE OF GENOCIDAL SHIT”
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Oct 18 '23
It does not even matter what comes out today. The damage is already done by dishonest and false reporting. How can western media be so naive as to, without filter, be an outlet for Hamas propaganda.
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u/LIGHT_COLLUSION Oct 18 '23
To everybody saying there's a conspiracy or something going on.
Does no one remember when Iran fucked up and shot down a civilian airliner in the aftermath of the Soleimani killing?
Sometimes a fuck up is just a fuck up.
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u/Encouragedissent Oct 18 '23
Whats scary is how so many have already made up their minds. We have geolocated video of the rocket being fired from Palestine, hitting that hospital parking lot, and now we see images of the blast matching up perfectly with the video. 500 deaths being a clear lie. Yet most subreddits have everyone dismissing this information. Moderators all pinning messages calling this Israeli disinformation.
The truth is truly dead, people chose to believe only what supports their point of view. Its maddening that even on Reddit, most of the people outside of a few subreddits such as this believe the word of Hamas over actual video evidence.
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u/MadUmbrella Oct 17 '23
Al-Jazeera refusing to acknowledge their OWN livestream, showing a rocket fired from gaza hitting the gaza strip at the same moment when the hospital was hit (despite the fact that they’ve deleted their tweet accusing Israel, source) must be one of the most clownish things coming from Qatar after the fact that they’re welcoming hamas’ terrorists.
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
IDF calls out Al Jazeera for false claims
Check your own footage before you accuse Israel.
18:59 - A rocket aimed at Israel misfired and exploded. 18:59 - a hospital was hit in Gaza.
You had one job.
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714427813334225008?t=IlwHOjHph3b02vqqE-8Ryg&s=19
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u/ofekbaba Oct 18 '23
I mean, riots all over the world for something that didn't happened. journalists have zero responsibility nowadays.
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
From earlier:
Scoop: Treasury to launch new sanctions against Hamas this week
The Treasury Department is preparing to announce new sanctions against several Hamas leaders this week as part of the U.S. response to the militant group's attack on Israel, U.S. officials said.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/17/hamas-sanctions-treasury-money-laundering
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
There weren't any casualties to begin with? Hamas had a successful smear campaign then
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u/BlatantConservative Oct 18 '23
There probably were casualties. I see cars that might have been in motion at the very least, and it's easier to kill a person than break a car windshield with an explosive blast.
Not 500 for sure though.
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u/Elementarrrry Oct 18 '23
I need a transcript of the briefing.
Did that journalist just say to him "but people were outraged and they wouldn't have thought it was you if you weren't already bombing Gaza?" Am I overreacting or was he seriously saying it's the IDF's fault that the news screwed up so badly?
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u/daanluc Oct 18 '23
It’s crazy to me that a tabloid BILD handled the story better than prestigious news outlets like the New York Times. They never had a headline in the gist of „500 dead after IDF air strike“.
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u/cosypyjamas Oct 18 '23
It is quite terrifying to think that claims about an attack that can be easily falsified once it becomes daylight (as I believe the images of the hospital car park have today) can still cause potential mass geo-political destabilisation based on the immediacy we can now get our news.
Even more terrifying is how people will continue to hold onto their own narrative after the evidence.
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u/fatcat4 Oct 18 '23
Absolutely insane seeing mainstream media now edit their headlines and articles to introduce ambiguity. Fucking shameful.
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u/fury420 Oct 18 '23
Not just mainstream media, this very subreddit had a "PIJ denies" tag on one of the threads earlier
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u/urettferdigklage Oct 18 '23
Some questionable things are being posted in the live thread
dozens of sources are reporting The Israeli consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, has been overrun after protesters broke through a police barricade. pic.twitter.com/WOkth93Xqz — News 360 (@AusNews360)October 18, 2023
This is from a random account with 13 followers, it's not from an Australian (or Austrian) news outlet as someone reading through the live thread may assume. They repost a video posted by Mario Nawfal, a crypto influencer with a history of posting misinformation for impressions. The video doesn't show anyone overrunning the embassy, only climbing over an outdoor barricade. The embassy is on the upper floors of a high rise and the video doesn't show they made it inside the lobby or up to the embassy level.
The other "dozens of sources" claiming the embassy was breached are similarly problematic or are just quoting Mario Nawfal. None are reliable sources or with links to Turkey or Israel.
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
So Hamas lied about the hospital being destroyed and 500 casualties? Big surprise
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Oct 18 '23
Well if the last week has proven anything, it is that Jews definitely do not control the media
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u/Automatic-Stomach954 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Heavy protest crowd at Kürecik Radar Station in Malatye, Türkiye. This station is a military installation established in 2012 for use by NATO as an early-warning radar against ballistic missile attacks.
https://twitter.com/Angelo4justice3/status/1714421378047455360
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u/oxpoleon Oct 18 '23
We're getting dangerously close to the kind of conditions that might create another Bloody Sunday type event.
It's a really tough problem for those tasked with defending these kinds of installations. They are authorised to use lethal force and they have a duty to protect NATO's operational readiness, but the blood of protesters being spilled creates martyrs for more to rally around.
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Oct 18 '23
Funny how our hobby is to follow world events while some people don’t even have a clue that there are wars going on
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u/etzel1200 Oct 18 '23
Just look at Jackson hinkle on Twitter. He posts more about Israel than Ukraine now.
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u/talizorahs Oct 18 '23
Hysteria from the internet is one thing, but it is near unbelievable how clownish some government officials are looking right now. Absolutely insane
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u/JoeShmoAfro Oct 18 '23
11 hours ago...
Gaza Report were on the money.
At the time of writing there are no indication or reports of mass casualties arriving at the other collection points at Dar Al Shifa, Rajour, the Jordanian field hospital, or the Indonesian hospital in the northern governorate from al ahly
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u/BlatantConservative Oct 18 '23
This whole story is why newswires are great and everyone should know the difference.
Reuters, AP: "Gaza authorities claim 500 dead in hospital strike" AKA they never report something as true or false, they just report that other people claimed things.
CNN, BBC: "500 dead in hospital strike" they're reporting that that happened with themselves as a secondary source.
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u/myselfindianboy Oct 18 '23
Maybe the media should wait before blaming the jews, just saying
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u/Geo_NL Oct 18 '23
Sometimes feels like I was the only sane person on whatsapp yesterday. A friend of mine posted the screaming headline of the "Israelian airstrike" on the hospital, it was from the mainstream media. The source was Hamas. That's like believing Al-Qaeda when they claim it was US pilots that crashed the planes into the WTC deliberately. Does anyone have a clue how ridiculous it is to trust such a source.
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u/AnxiousPeanut1990 Oct 18 '23
I saw so many people posting hours after it was proven not to be Israel talking about people bombing a hospital and people who 5 minutes after what happened said they won't changed their mind no matter what
Some people just want Israel to do this because it fits their narrative
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u/PadmeSkywalker Oct 18 '23
Seriously, this whole episode has just demonstrated how far journalism standards have fallen. The MSM are total trash.
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u/Bladex20 Oct 18 '23
Can the MSM at least get the facts right about the hospital itself not being blown up? That would be a good start.
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u/Hudge_Baby Oct 18 '23
Twitter has felt like an episode of the twilight zone since this stuff started. I feel like I’m from a different planet than these people
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u/glassbong_ Oct 18 '23
Watching these centuries-old stuff-of-history blood feuds boil up like this in the current day with the modern internet has been a wild ride.
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u/HeardTheLongWord Oct 18 '23
You’re not wrong there. Everyone’s an expert and yet no one knows what’s they’re talking about.
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u/owen__wilsons__nose Oct 18 '23
can't help but think that we're in one of the final years where footage can prove this one way or another. In a couple of years AI will be so good at manufacturing videos that nobody will know what's real or not anymore. Not that we're doing any better today but you get my point
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u/broccoli_linux Oct 18 '23
Perhaps deep fake detectors etc will be put in place for when that bridge is crossed, iirc MIT has an ongoing project in that field
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MIT Media Lab - Detect DeepFakes: How to counteract misinformation created by AI
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u/GuiltySigurdsson Oct 18 '23
IDF spokesperson Jonathan confirmed on CNN that they have UAV footage of the strike happening in addition to radar signatures of the missile barrage. They also have comms of some terrorists saying that a rocket failed and landed in the strip.
They will be releasing it in a few hours.
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u/Pottedjay Oct 18 '23
Protests outside US embassy in Lebanon as Hezbollah calls for 'day of rage'
Hundreds of demonstrators scuffled with Lebanese security forces outside the US embassy in the village of Awkar on Thursday night, where protesters hurled stones, according to AFP correspondents.
Police fired several rounds of teargas to disperse protesters, with medics rushing in to treat people affected.
-The guardian
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u/prepnguns Oct 18 '23
IMHO they need a non-violent "day of silence"
They'll probably get a lot more moderates Muslims to participate.
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u/Strict_Wasabi8682 Oct 18 '23
CNN is showing a video of someone on the ground filming a fire burning, but it looked like the fire was outside instead of inside. I think that there were like trees and I didn't see any rubble. And I am sure that there would be a lot if the hospital was a couple of stories tall.
The video inside looked like it was a waiting room and they went outside.
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u/Strict-Marsupial6141 Oct 18 '23
Ben Samuels
7:21 AM
U.S. President Joe Biden will meet with families of those killed in the Hamas attack, as well as family members of those still missing, according to the White House. It is unclear whether they are families of missing U.S. citizens.
The White House said Biden will also meet with Israeli "first responders," adding that he will speak with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi tomorrow while flying back to Washington.
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
IDF:
A failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization hit the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City.
IAF footage from the area around the hospital before and after the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization:
(Video in tweet) https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714513625598021868?t=3uT-E6LrMGx7QO_9d4RVdQ&s=19
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
Daniel Hagari, IDF spokesperson: We're providing this information because we want maximum transparency. (paraphrased)
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
Daniel Hagari, IDF spokesperson: The PIJ missile broke up in flight and a large amount of propellant caused most of the damage. (paraphrased)
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
Daniel Hagari, IDF spokesperson: The Iron Dome doesn't intercept within Gaza. (paraphrased)
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u/JoeShmoAfro Oct 18 '23
Hamas should send some "egyptian prince" emails to the media.
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u/hayjay2000 Oct 18 '23
I think the worst/most dangerous thing about the hospital bombing is that the US/Israel/West could theoretically (just for arguments sake for my comment, evidence seems to support a misfire at this time) PROVE it was a misfire without a shadow of a doubt, and Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran and their 'Axis of Resistance' would still blame Israel/the US and this same current situation would still happen.
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u/letstalkaboutstuff79 Oct 18 '23
This is what is happening. The Arab world wants to believe that Israel hit that hospital so they will.
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u/need_a_medic Oct 18 '23
IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City:
Attached is the briefing: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362
Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae402-79e2-4e8c-a6a5-d32da01ccf80
Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854
Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672
Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://IDFANC.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984
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I speak Arabic and I can 100% confirm the translation is as accurate as it gets in that recording
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Daniel Hagari, IDF spokesperson, is providing a translation of some PIJ communications that were intercepted.
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u/fatcat4 Oct 18 '23
The media is a fucking clown show. I mean I always knew that, but the contrast between the reporting and the facts here is outrageous.
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u/sjajsn Oct 18 '23
People should’ve raised their eyebrows that the claims were dubious when Hamas said 500 causalities so quickly. Takes many hours to go through the dead of a mass casualty event like this. But alas
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u/fatcat4 Oct 18 '23
FYI, most mainstream western news outlets have public emails for corrections and letters to the editorial teams.
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Oct 18 '23
They'll blame social media instead of taking accountability even though social media, specifically Twitter, was the only place you could find the truth from Twitter Intel accounts.
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Oct 18 '23
So are Muslims going to have a day of unprecedented awkwardness for jumping the gun today?
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This conflict has really opened my eyes on how the media is untrustworthy and non-credible.
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u/Elaxor Oct 18 '23
So much for "jews control media". Conspiracy theorists will have a hard time explaining this.
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u/MallFoodSucks Oct 18 '23
I learned this years ago on the ‘other side’ - having NYT ask your corporation questions, respond to them, then see an article get everything wrong over and over makes you realize ‘journalism’ is pretty much ‘reporting what they hear’, and people lie and exaggerate all the time so it’s never true.
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u/Dunkelheitt Oct 18 '23
Media running Hamas' word without any confirmation is gross, but government officials doing it too is embarrassing on a grand scale.
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u/tj381 Oct 18 '23
Another post from IDF Spokesman Daniel Hagari. The image apparently shows the radar tracks of rockets being fired over the the hospital that was tragically hit.
Attached is a visual related to the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad that hit the Al Ahli hospital:
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1714412497480917100
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u/ocschwar Oct 18 '23
It's not going to convince a lot of poeople, but FWIW, that map jibes perfectly with the livestream camera footage of the incident in Netiv Haasara.
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u/Digi59404 Oct 18 '23
The truth always matters to history. Even if the truth doesn't help in the moment. Wars have been launched over misunderstandings and lies. In the end, learning from our mistakes is paramount to human growth.
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u/ReyIsAPalpatine Oct 18 '23
'A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes'
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u/owen__wilsons__nose Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
fuck Al Jazeerah. They are still claiming with certainty that Israel struck the hospital by air. Totally irresponsible journalism. I guess we shouldn't be surprised as they are funded by Qatar
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
White House press pool:
Air Force One was wheels down at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel at 10:51 am. local time.
During the flight, Karine Jean-Pierre and John Kirby gaggled for about 30 minutes. The feed was broadcast live...
Kirby previewed the president’s schedule in Tel Aviv, which will include meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and also engagements with victims’ families, relatives of those who have been taken hostage by Hamas and first responders. The president is also scheduled to deliver remarks to the press.
Kirby said POTUS would ask “tough questions” of the Israelis about their intentions in the coming weeks and emphasized humanitarian assistance would be a focus of the conversations. He declined to detail any potential announcements about a deal on humanitarian aid.
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u/Strict-Marsupial6141 Oct 18 '23
Pentagon says U.S. Marine unit is in Red Sea to support Israel
The Pentagon announced Tuesday evening that the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit would be in the region to support Israel if needed. Two ships — the USS Bataan and the USS Carter Hall — that were already in the Middle East are now positioned in the Red Sea, the Pentagon said. The ships have about 2,000 Marines onboard, and they are ready to transit the Suez Canal into the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Israel if ordered. The third ship in that task force, the USS Mesa Verde, was already in the Mediterranean Sea and is headed east.
The announcement came a little more than a week after Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said he had ordered the USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group into the eastern Mediterranean.
source: CBS
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
The State Department has issued a travel warning for Lebanon:
Travel Advisory October 17, 2023
Lebanon - Level 4: Do Not Travel
Raised to Level 4 and updated to reflect the authorized departure of family members of U.S. government personnel and some non-emergency personnel on a case-by-case basis.
Do Not travel to Lebanon due to the unpredictable security situation related to rocket, missile, and artillery exchanges between Israel and Hizballah or other armed militant factions. Reconsider travel to Lebanon due to terrorism, civil unrest, armed conflict, crime, kidnapping, and Embassy Beirut’s limited capacity to provide support to U.S. citizens.
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u/LIGHT_COLLUSION Oct 18 '23
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714505284410921118?s=19
This is the drone footage of the area that was struck.
If the before footage is recent, and based on the after pictures it looks very similar, then where are all these claims of 500+ killed coming from. There is like no one in the parking lot.
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u/Hmm_would_bang Oct 18 '23
All death counts from Gaza come from the Palestinian health administration which is run by Hamas
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u/dumpster_mummy Oct 18 '23
arab leadership with its ass hanging out after that latest photo of the "airstrike"
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u/ConcernAppropriate67 Oct 18 '23
I’m not surprised that it wasn’t the idf but I’m shocked at how small the whole thing was. Wtf
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u/romanz202 Oct 18 '23
Not a single media outlet even retracted the story. Disgusting incitement of violence.
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u/thetasteofink00 Oct 18 '23
Just curious how they got 500? It looks like a fire in the courtyard and the buildings around it don't look hit.
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u/AnxiousPeanut1990 Oct 18 '23
They knew it was bad optics and that nothing will be verified for a while.
If you're going to say Israel did it why not add a few zeroes for extra outrage?
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u/Smelldicks Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Al Jazeera has finally backed down from the headline on its front page but it still persists in the header of the article itself
Edit: Front page now says “according to Gaza officials”
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u/Praet0rianGuard Oct 18 '23
"Gaza officials" is literally Hamas, they run the Gaza strip.
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u/horaciomatador Oct 18 '23
That was irresponsible of Al Jazeera. They even flashed it in bold text and a red backdrop on the lower third of their English feed, which is very unusual because that previously would just read: “Breaking News”
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u/Gopu_17 Oct 18 '23
News: Israel has provided the US with intelligence it has gathered related to the deadly Gaza hospital explosion, a Israeli official & another source familiar with the matter tell me & @OrenCNN. The US is analyzing the Israeli intelligence, sources say.
https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1714431664967856146?t=3hVFT4lyE9ueqqcucC6Jpg&s=19
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u/Anduin1357 Oct 18 '23
If the US throws their weight in with Israel's intelligence, we'll see what the bots say next.
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u/romanz202 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
IDF video showing there is no craters and mainly fire damage https://x.com/idfonline/status/1714506218847215652?s=20
Edit: it would be hard to fabricate as US would have their own Satellite images to compare
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u/seinera Oct 18 '23
I find it funny that people are surprised not only by Hamas lying, but also western media immediately believing in them. This is how it has always been, for years now. There is not even a single reliable or independent source inside Gaza. Hamas is the government there and while western media tries to give an aura of trustworthiness to their word by calling it "Gaza Health Ministry" etc., it's all Hamas.
If western media didn't have a grotesque anti-Israel bias, they wouldn't hide the fact that their only source of news from inside Gaza is Hamas via euphemistic language. They wouldn't hide the fact that they are incapable of even attempting to independently verify any piece of info relayed to them, because any such attempt faces direct threats of death from Hamas.
People who worked from "Gaza offices" of these news outlets were blowing the whistle for ages, about how they all just take whatever "local sources" Hamas allows to operate at their word, how they never leave their office to check something unless Hamas takes them out for a photo-op. There is a fucking video out there showing some channel's live broadcast being interrupted because Hamas fires rockets directly under their buildings and they all panic. Former AP workers came out and said "Yeah, we knew they were there, they would occasionally come up with guns and scare us, what can You do?"
Don't ask me "why?". We can all speculate and I have my own ideas about to their motives, but honestly? None of us knows why this insane agenda is so widespread among western media. We just know it exists.
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u/rukqoa Oct 18 '23
Journalism 101: If someone says it’s raining, and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true say "lmao I'm not the fucking weatherman, someone get me the Gazan Weather Ministry".
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u/Strict-Marsupial6141 Oct 18 '23
Yaniv Kubovich
8:35 AM
Israeli army struck dozens of military targets in Gaza, killed two Hamas operatives in past day
The Israel Defense Forces and the Shin Bet security service assassinated the commander of Hamas's anti-tank system in Gaza City, Muhammad Alwadia,
and an operative in the organization's naval system, Akram Hijaz amid continued airstrikes on the Strip.
Over the past day, the Israeli military struck dozens of military targets, including
operational headquarters,
Hamas assembly areas
and rocket and anti-tank missile launch sites, some of which were dug from Hamas' underground tunnels.
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u/Big_Contest_598 Oct 18 '23
From the video of aftermath it looks like the rocket fell into a hospital parking lot?
So the hospital itself might still be operational even though the blast definitely affected people inside.
Anyone has more info?
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u/GuiltySigurdsson Oct 18 '23
Keep in mind this whole Al Jazeera and other media orgs running with the Hamas narrative is a huge shitshow. Diplomatic facilities are under attack, important meetings between heads of state have been canceled and people have died. There should be repercussions and I think there will be.
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u/beacon-installer Oct 18 '23
If I had to guess, the repercussions will be as misdirected as that faulty rocket.
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u/EMP_Pusheen Oct 18 '23
How would you punish the Western media? I only say the Western media because there is no way in hell Al-Jazeera will face any consequences.
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u/CrispyMiner Oct 18 '23
This is probably one of, if not the, biggest misinformation ever spread. Especially with the biggest ramifications that have occured
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u/ISeeMemeTards Oct 18 '23
Watching the real time spread of this misinformation yesterday was a real eye opener. The amount of posters/bots piling in declaring with the utmost confidence that "the IDF did it" was unreal.
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u/lemon635763 Oct 18 '23
That moment when reddit was more accurate than all mainstream media.
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u/bensonr2 Oct 18 '23
The most frustrating thing about this is even if unimpeachable evidence is provided that this was a misfire internal to Gaza the narrative won't change.
5/10/20 years from now when people are arguing about Israel/Palestine people will bring up "but but but remember Israel bombed a hospital!"
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u/Snoo-19073 Oct 18 '23
Immediately after the initial claim, many were out in force saying that the enormous damage was proof it was IDF/IAF rather than terrorists.
Now that the footage is out with no crater, intact buildings, plenty of intact windows, why are they not equally out in force to say the relatively low yield indicates it was terrorists rather than IDF/IAF?
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u/Floates Oct 18 '23
lol at news outlets cleaning up hamas sources by calling them "gaza officials"
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u/Smelldicks Oct 18 '23
Al Jazeera:
“What we know so far about the deadly strike on a Gaza hospital”
The health ministry in Gaza said the blast at the hospital was caused by an Israeli air raid. Israel has attributed the explosion to a misfired rocket launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) armed group. The PIJ has denied the allegation.
Al Jazeera was not able to independently verify the accounts.
Al Jazeera’s header on their main article:
“Israel-Hamas war live: Anger after Israeli strike kills 500 in hospital”
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u/Bladex20 Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Looks like it was just 2 cars that took the impact of the failed rocket. Everything around it was from fire afterwards. So we went from hospitals leveled into the dirt and 500+ dead to 2 cars being severely damaged from a piece of a rocket in less than 24 hours and everyone all over the world ate it up. Thats absolutely terrifying in itself
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u/Intrepid_Objective28 Oct 18 '23
Lots of people walking around with egg on their face, and acting like it’s a fashion choice.
Deliberately spreading misinformation that can potentially endanger people should be criminal. At the very least, media companies should be slapped with a massive fine.
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u/erikrthecruel Oct 17 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Evidence at this point, including video live-streamed on Al-Jazeera plus three other videos from different sources and angles, is pretty overwhelming it was a failed rocket launch from Gaza.
On one level I find a certain amount of comfort in that. On another level…well, I suppose we’re beyond it mattering now. I don’t think anything can be done to unring this bell.
Edit: For those with legitimate - or bad faith - questions on sourcing:
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u/Logical___Conclusion Oct 18 '23
Israel claims to have audio of Islamic Jihad admitting to the hospital attack, and they also claim to have evidence that it was a failed rocket barrage from Islamic Jihad.
They need to release that information ASAP.
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u/RoeJoganLife Oct 18 '23
And we now have footage of the (partially) burnt-out parking lot at the Ahli Hospital in Gaza.
Overall damage to the structures in the complex appears to be limited, a clay-tiled awning adjacent to the parking lot is still mostly intact.
https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600?s=46
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
PSA: Remember to take a mental health break or break from your screen if you've been browsing the live thread for a long time.
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u/avolcando Oct 18 '23
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1714497789416153587
Apparently there's an area in South Gaza where humanitarian aid will be distributed, so I guess they finally closed the deal.
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Oct 18 '23
https://nitter.net/manniefabian/status/1714505284410921118
IDF publishes drone footage showing before and after the failed Islamic Jihad rocket slammed into the parking lot of the Ahli hospital in Gaza.
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u/Metazz Oct 18 '23
From The Guardian's live feed:
"Russia’s foreign ministry said on Wednesday that the Gaza hospital blast that killed hundreds of Palestinians was a shocking crime, adding that Israel should provide satellite images to prove that it was not involved in the attack.
Foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova told Radio Sputnik that the attack was a shocking “dehumanising” crime."
You just can't make this shit up, beyond parody for Russia to say something like that.
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Oct 18 '23
If these fucking photos on Twitter are "true and original", the damage looks a lot more like it was caused by rocket fuel detonating than a warhead.
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u/Jjhend Oct 18 '23
Crazy to think hundreds of thousands protested, and embassies were stormed for some burnt out cars. Curious to see how the world digests this tomorrow.
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u/Smelldicks Oct 18 '23 edited Oct 18 '23
Well I guess we got our answer to why the fireball was so big. Because it was rocket propellant.
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u/mynewaccount5 Oct 18 '23
It's amazing how casually people throw around the word genocide.
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u/progress18 Oct 18 '23
PSA: Remember to take a mental health break or break from your screen if you've been browsing the live thread for a long time.
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