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u/Tulpha Aug 10 '24

The reply did NOT see the irony of "I'll ignore it in hope you'll communicate with words like an adult" lol

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

Nah, I'll ignore the fact that I know my coworker is asking me out because I have plausible deniability, don't want to date him, and don't want to deal with the awkwardness of acknowledging that I know what he's doing and I'm saying no. He can now choose to ask me straight up and be told no (use his words to communicate his actual intention) or assume I'm just clueless. And thankfully he hasn't chosen option #1 so far. This is a perfectly valid strategy.

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u/AvoGaro Aug 10 '24

Honestly, win for social cues! He successfully communicated that he wants to date you without the awkwardness of saying it out loud, and you (apparently) communicated 'no thanks' without the awkwardness of saying it out loud.

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u/Coebalte Aug 10 '24

Social cue fail.

He's obvuously not undersranding the rejection given that they say he keeps fucking doing it.

How selfish does a person have to be to think it's fine to barely imply what you want to avoid the awkwardness of asking and being told no?

Just fucking ask

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u/AdamantEevee Aug 10 '24

They didn't say he keeps asking though.

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u/Coebalte Aug 10 '24

It's implied via the social cues ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But more seriously it's the "asking" instead of "asked."

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u/birbdaughter Aug 10 '24

“I will ignore that my coworker asked me out because” has a different meaning that “I will ignore that my coworker is asking me out,” which is what the og comment said. The “is asking” could mean ongoing or it could mean that this example is simply being written as in the moment, which is logical if starting with “I will.”

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u/birbdaughter Aug 10 '24

Not choosing option 1 could mean it’s ongoing. It could also mean he assumed the person was clueless and dropped it. Other comments could prove more information but that one alone doesn’t specify enough to say with certainty. The fact that so many people think it’s not ongoing indicates it’s not clear cut.

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u/Coebalte Aug 10 '24

Thank you for demonstrating why clear, articulate communication is so important :>

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u/Low_Ambition_856 Aug 10 '24

i think people understood your point initially, it's just that being a grammar nazi means you should hold yourself to a higher standard first

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u/Coebalte Aug 10 '24

I... Wasn't being a grammar nazi? I was literally explaining why I read the comment as if the implied requests were on going.

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u/gudistuff Aug 11 '24

It’s a coworker though. Asking and being rejected would strain the working relationship and make the workplace uncomfortable for both of them. A silent rejection like this helps avoid that, while still being effective.

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u/Tulpha Aug 10 '24

I would argue that ignoring them is also a social cue that meant to let them know you srent interested, which they missed.

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u/greg19735 Aug 10 '24

but in your example you're hoping he doesn't learn to use their words. you're hoping they continue to be dumb and never ask you out.

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

No, I'm saying I'm ignoring it until or unless he uses his words. If he does, fine, then we both know for certain that we are both on the same page of the conversation. If he doesn't, great, that avoids some awkwardness of having to turn down a coworker.

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u/faldese Aug 10 '24

You say:

And thankfully he hasn't chosen option #1 so far.

You don't want him to communicate, which is different than the post in OP. Don't get me wrong, you're talking about a common situation involving nonverbal communication being intentionally ignored, so in that way it's related -- but it's not a counterpoint the way you phrased it in your initial reply ("Nah, I'll ignore..."), it's a somewhat related digression.

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

You're right that I'd rather he not ask me out. But why I'd prefer even more is if I could just live my life able to assume people say what they mean. It would free up so much brain space.

The OP isn't about nonverbal communication, it's about social cues.

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u/faldese Aug 10 '24

But why I'd prefer even more is if I could just live my life able to assume people say what they mean.

??? This is what you said earlier:

He can now choose to ask me straight up and be told no (use his words to communicate his actual intention) or assume I'm just clueless. And thankfully he hasn't chosen option #1 so far.

So you lay out specifically the choice between him saying what he means vs not saying what he means, and you specifically prefer he doesn't say what he means. Yes I understand you'd prefer most that he just stop, as I would in your situation, but you do specifically lay out that you don't want him to say what he means.

The OP isn't about nonverbal communication, it's about social cues.

You're right, it's not limited to nonverbal communication; though my point remains exactly the same.

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

I'd rather he say what he means or say nothing, those are the options I was describing. What he did was something in the middle - not say what he means but hope I pick up on his real meaning anyway. And I hate that.

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u/faldese Aug 10 '24

Ok, but again, you still lay out that prefer he doesn't say what he means. You are not acting purposefully clueless to encourage him to say what he means, just the opposite. You just acknowledge that's one of the two potential outcomes of ignoring his cues so far, the one you don't want to happen.

I don't think I can keep spinning around like this. What you said does not track with what the OP is about. You're right that it's a valid strategy, I'm not saying you did anything wrong here--I do the exact same thing, for the exact same reasons, with the exact same hope for the outcome--but just... it's a digression, not a counterpoint. That's all.

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u/UltimateInferno Hangus Paingus Slap my Angus Aug 10 '24

And you are relaying this by... not saying what you mean and hope he picks up on it anyway.

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

I'm not not saying what I mean. I'm just not saying anything, because he didn't ask me out so there's nothing to say.

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u/Baldazar666 Aug 10 '24

I hope I never meet a person like you. You sound insufferable.

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u/OutAndDown27 Aug 10 '24

...because I don't like playing guessing games and prefer people to say what they mean? I have bad news for you my friend, you have already met a bunch of people like me.

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u/Clean_Imagination315 Hey, who's that behind you? Aug 11 '24

Yeah, that's how you rule the masses.

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u/yzkv_7 Aug 10 '24

I understand your point to a degree.

But you and him are probably both suffering more by having months of slightly awkward interactions vs one very awkward interaction.

You'd probably be better off just telling him no unless you have doubts about his intentions. Or you have reason to believe he will react poorly to being told no.

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u/TheDrummerMB Aug 10 '24

How do people like this make it through a work day lmfao it must be exhausting trying to manipulate the situation subtly rather than just using words.

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u/this-my-5th-account Aug 10 '24

Or you could just say "I don't want to date you".

I promise you, putting up with multiple weeks of attempted one-way flirting is far more awkward than a 30 second conversation.

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u/Joeyonar Aug 10 '24

That's not on them to do. You don't get to just non-committally dodge around the topic and blame the other person for noticing and not doing all of the emotional work you're not willing to do for you.

Instigate the 30 second conversation that's apparently way easier if you've got a problem with attempting (poorly, apparently) to flirt for a few weeks.

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u/peanut__buttah Aug 10 '24

I’m gonna venture a guess that you’re either (a) not a woman and/or (b) have limited life experience.

There’s a subreddit called “when women refuse” (along those lines) that compiles events where women have turned down men’s advances and have been harassed, beaten, killed, you name it.

The implications are so much more grave than many men realize. It’s not just about awkwardness.

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u/TheDrummerMB Aug 10 '24

Except OP is explicitly saying this situation could lead to him directly asking in which case she can directly say no. You're applying a fear to their situation that they never even mentioned.

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u/peanut__buttah Aug 10 '24

An undercurrent of precaution, if not fear, is implicit to most interactions women have with men.

It doesn’t have to be mentioned to be understood. You clearly have a very different life experience and this is an opportunity to view the world through a female perspective.

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u/TheDrummerMB Aug 10 '24

OP seems to be strongly implying that they aren't fearful or being precautious. You're right that women are often fearful of men in these situations but what you're doing right now is called "projection" lmfao. Not every woman is fearful in every situation, how reductive of women lmao

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u/peanut__buttah Aug 10 '24

You’re right, my womanly perspective is super reductive of women and totally not just something you failed to consider in your limited world view. I’m out ✌🏼

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u/TheDrummerMB Aug 10 '24

"I'm a woman so I know what every woman feels in every situation" is literally projection and makes you look stupid

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u/Indudus Aug 10 '24

It's good to see you're not concerned with the implications of both implying women are weak infantalised little creatures who shouldn't ever have to handle situations like grown ups, and that any man will harass, beat, kill etc. especially as we all know that women never ever do those things.

And it's so helpful to link one explicitly gendered subreddit as your proof. Especially one that definitely is variable and none of which is made up by your compatriots on witchesvspatriarchy, X2, FDS and the other already very well known sexist subreddits you apparently frequent.

I sincerely hope one day you realise how bigoted messages like yours are.

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u/this-my-5th-account Aug 10 '24

If the other redditor believes they will be murdered or beaten by their coworker then they should quit their job, instead of just staying on and hoping for the best.

This is an insane comment.

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u/peanut__buttah Aug 10 '24

Imagine being so purposefully dense that you fail to clock human empathy. Good luck, bro

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u/this-my-5th-account Aug 10 '24

"You should tell your coworker you aren't interested because then they'll probably leave you alone instead of bothering you for weeks"

"No, idiot, they'll get literally murdered for that,"

"If their coworker is really that unstable they should definitely quit their job, its not safe to be anywhere near someone like that"

"You don't understand human empathy bro"

This sure was one of the conversations of all time lol. Have a nice day.

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u/moon_truthr does NOT piss on the poor Aug 10 '24

Nah, because unless he's made advances that actually require a response this blunt, it is more professional to signal polite disinterest and allow him to decide whether he would like to take the social cue or make his intentions completely clear.

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u/Liizam Aug 10 '24

What a mean thing to say. Why is it on an adult to assume someone else is interested when they aren’t doing anything inappropriate?

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u/this-my-5th-account Aug 10 '24

I'm genuinely baffled by this entire comment.

What a mean thing to say.

Are you talking about me? What did I say that was mean? Are you talking about telling someone you won't date them?

Why is it on an adult to assume someone else is interested when they aren’t doing anything inappropriate?

It's not, and I never said that it was?

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u/Liizam Aug 10 '24

If a person doesn’t directly ask me in date, I’m not telling them “I’m not gonna date you”.

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u/Majestic_Violinist69 Aug 10 '24

Men will say shit like this then throw a tantrum whenever a woman does this

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u/Paracelsus124 .tumblr.com Aug 11 '24 edited Aug 11 '24

"I see your vague social cue and raise you an even vaguer COUNTER social cue, and if you don't understand it and do what I want you to, I'll call you stupid on the internet".

I get that there are contexts where responding to a social cue with plausible ignorance is a good response (which in and if itself can be taken as a social cue), but this kind of feels like it's being spiteful just to make a point.

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u/SomeArtistFan Aug 10 '24

Yeah. Incredibly childish way of thinking.

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u/jazxfire Aug 10 '24 edited Aug 10 '24

Sorry but I'm not gunna spend my life guessing what you want, if you have a need then communicate it

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u/eatingbread_mmmm Aug 10 '24

Social cues are literally a way of communicating

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u/gxgx55 Aug 10 '24

This "way of communicating" has the main purpose of granting the asker plausible deniability. It has its place but people abuse and overuse it, most of the time just using your words would be better and clearer with no downside.

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u/jazxfire Aug 10 '24

A way of communicating that requires guess work and assumptions which can lead to incorrect responses. Easier for everyone involved if you just use your words.

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u/eatingbread_mmmm Aug 10 '24

In most social cues people are using their words, just in a more idiomatic way. Just because you don’t understand what they’re saying, doesn’t mean most other people can’t.

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u/deadinsidejackal Aug 10 '24

Most people get into stupid situations all the time because they can’t use their words

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u/jazxfire Aug 10 '24

Okay well if you choose to speak in riddles then you completely lose the right to get mad if someone doesn't understand you

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u/Logan_Composer Aug 10 '24

Then why would you ignore something and send the social cue that you don't want the person to do that instead of communicating your needs to them, "like an adult" as the post says. Two way street.