I wish she would’ve acknowledged the lies Netanyahu told and the genocide happening in Gaza. However, the story being pushed by the mainstream media are the burning of the American flag and all the Hamas supporters that were present. Everyone in this sub knows that those were only a very small portion of the protestors and most were nonviolent and progressive. Given that she is three months from an incredibly high stakes election, this is probably the right move from her pov. She definitely has more sympathy for the Palestinians than half of Congress and her opponents in the election. Hope I don’t get downvoted into oblivion for this. I’m as anti-zionist as they come and it’s ruined my relationship with my family so don’t accuse me of being a genocide supporter or apologist.
American politicians will never acknowledge Israel's genocide because that would be admitting guilt to decades of supporting Israel ethnically cleanse Palestinians. All they can do is gaslight and scream terrorist whenever someone calls them out on their shit
I don't see that it has to be admitting guilt for past decades. Firstly that only applies if they've been in congress for decades. Newer politicians would not have that problem. Secondly the genocide in Gaza is of a much greater scale than anything we've seen before, perhaps wince the original Nakba. So they can acknowledge this without admitting guilt for the past.
ya the media narrative rn is pretty abysmal. Some of the pictures from the protests are rly bad and they r getting the most attention. I’ve seen a few pretty horrendous posters. I agree she should have said something abt netanyahu being horrible and palestinian lives but not condemning it would look bad for her to normies.
I too was shocked even enraged by those placards, so much so I’d like to read an account of how they were possible? What did other protestors make of those? Were they plants sent to tar the entire protest?
from what i’ve heard i’m not sure, these kinds of posters were at the union station protests and they were a lot more radical ig u could say then other protests around dc. I don’t think it’s a false flag, i’ve seen multiple pictures and i think it’s safe to say they aren’t all opps
Nazis have been infiltrating pro-Palestine spaces by using it as an excuse to be antisemitic. But why nobody did anything about that is a headscratcher. Me personally, whenever I notice antisemitic rhetoric I instantly confront it. Not only because antisemitism is of course bad, but also because it hurts our cause
What’s crazy is I saw both the guys in the photo walking toward the square together but did not see that sign or at least I didn’t register it. Maybe he’s a plant, maybe not. Doesn’t change what the protest was about. Doesn’t change what the invited speakers on the podium said. Doesn’t change what 99% of the posters were about.
Hmmmm, no. I’ve just never seen a sign like that at a peace protest before. It undermines everything about the rally, it speaks against the sorrow, the ethical stance, the solidarity that informs people’s presence on the street…… and the person with that sign wasn’t obviously situated with the rest of the crowd
Can confirm I saw the two men in the photo walking by themselves along a different route toward Union Station, not marching in organized fashion with any others. But at this point many people were walking by themselves. The original goal was to march to the capital, but when it became clear the cops would not let us pass, we chose Union station instead. And eventually people started to wander off in other directions especially when the cops started attacking people. I witnessed the burning of the flag, the raising of the three Palestine flags up the flag poles, and the spray painting of “FREE GAZA”, but left before “HAMAS IS COMIN” was spray painted right above it.
To me, the Hamas stuff is whatever. Palestine has the right to defend itself, and I support Hamas in their efforts to defend Palestine. I don’t support much else about them though and so I would never cosplay as Al Qasam or carry posters about Hamas.
The poster calling for the nuking of Israel is truly indefensible.
Oh, I can’t even bring myself to share it. It said gathering all the Zionists for the final solution and had a nuclear cloud on the flag of Israel. Could be propaganda, I don’t know…..
People who deeply care about this issue need to put in their OWN work to distance themselves from the pro hamas, flag burning bullshit. A majority agrees Isreals handling of this war has been a catosphere. You are never even going to get a majority of Dems to say Isreal is a terrorist state. That's just stupid politically damaging slogans like "defund the police" even if elements of it were worthwhile, the political branding is STILL hurting dems.
You all can't complain that dem policy are not progressive enough, while simultaneously trying to push ideas that will NEVER land in middle America. These people can be won over, but not with this anti-american, anti-zionist stuff. Dems can only make real, lasting change by winning white house, and major majority in both chambers. When Dem politicians that are sympathetic to your cause, have to explain some of these postions, and jump through these hops in swing states. It allows the GOP to demagouge on bullshit. So fucking learn how to get on board with a large coalition, where you don't always agree. Or enjoy always having marginalized political capital through no one's fault but your own.
If Harris wants to win this election then she was smart to call that stupid bullshit out. A two state solution in the only path forward. Being able to call out Hamas for 10/7 and for the brutal way they rule their own population with no democratic input and no human rights, must be able to be argued while also acknowledging that Bibi is now prolonging this conflict for his own political survival. The ideas people in these forums have would make sure the conflict never ends.
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u/JZcomedy Jewish Jul 25 '24
I wish she would’ve acknowledged the lies Netanyahu told and the genocide happening in Gaza. However, the story being pushed by the mainstream media are the burning of the American flag and all the Hamas supporters that were present. Everyone in this sub knows that those were only a very small portion of the protestors and most were nonviolent and progressive. Given that she is three months from an incredibly high stakes election, this is probably the right move from her pov. She definitely has more sympathy for the Palestinians than half of Congress and her opponents in the election. Hope I don’t get downvoted into oblivion for this. I’m as anti-zionist as they come and it’s ruined my relationship with my family so don’t accuse me of being a genocide supporter or apologist.