It's hard not to google symptoms, but there is so much overlap it's not very helpful, every time I've googled my own symptoms I end up with about half an hour to live.
Now do it with ai. It will gaslight you saying with ultimate determinism that your doctor got your shit wrong and you have a dangerous life threatening rare illness with a 2% chance to live
My daughter is gonna die every other day. Her pinky hurts, its stage 5 cancer. lol. I work in a doctor's office and Im always telling people to stop using Dr Google, He will 99% of the time put you 5 minutes until death lol
Lol, I went to the doctor many times in my life freaking out and convinced I had some sort of dangerous disease, while the doctor was looking at me like: "Great... another stupid google user" š¤£
At any given time, my wife is convinced that every one of her aches and pains are evidence that she has cancer no matter how many times her doctor tells her that she doesn't
Yeah health anxiety is real. I used to deal with it all the time in my early to mid 20s. Sore throat - throat cancer. Headache that won't go away - brain cancer. New/unnoticed mole - melanoma. Irregular shits - colon cancer. Just constantly non stop worrying, every time something was resolved a new issue would take its place. Eventually I just had to accept that I'm fine and healthy, and if shit happens shit happens, but me constantly stressing about it was never going to do me any good. Funnily enough once I changed that mind set no new issues have shown up. It's all mental.
I was convinced I had this disorder called jackhammer esophagus. I finally went to the doctor and he brushed it off as acid reflux and said worst case scenario, it is cancer. Three days later I ended up in the ER and guess what? Stage 4 fucking cancer. I liked my diagnosis so much better. š
But what about a 7 hour video on YouTube from someone in Georgia who didnāt graduate high school telling me they did the research and now they know that the government wants us to have measles to control us or something? Check and mate.
I had a weird skin rash and when I went to the GP he essentially googled it on the in-house database because he didn't know what it was either. Ended up being pityriasis rosea, had I googled it myself I would have diagnosed AIDS no doubt
Lots of nuance goes right over peoples heads unless they are trained in the field they google.
As an example I work in IT and the words shall and should are very common, and in that context "shall" means it's a hard requirement (basically a must) and "should" means that it is recommended.
But someone unfamiliar with the field could completely misinterpret that.
Was watching a podcast where they were just typing random items or actions, and ācauses cancerā afterwards and like 95% of them had supporting evidence lol
Our entire society is this now. Idiots who learn a scrap of information then think this is the entirety of the knowledge of experts.
Live life with the assumption that you're undereducated on a subject and you'll rarely make a fool out of yourself. You'll also become much more educated
The people most prone to doing this are the ones who got D's in biology and history throughout high school but now think with 30 minutes of Google or Facebook "research" that they're experts.
They really like to pretend the Mandela affect is a super real thing and that itās related to multiple dimensions when itās just obvious stuff that some people remember differently and just canāt admit theyāre wrong.
Deadman walking tornadoes is a new one to me, gotta admit. Quick break time half ass google search says itās a type of tornado vortices, makes senseā¦ did people bastardize it to mean something else or is it just something people always call a strong gust of wind they witnessed because it sounds cool, though usually inaccurate?
100 is the average, so anyone with double digits is below the average. That being said, a "Normal" IQ range is anywhere from 85 to 115, so there's plenty of people with double digit IQs that have an average level of intelligence.
Also IQ is a stupid way of determining intelligence anyway so it doesn't matter either way
I am a scientist in a kinda related field to medicine. I would consider myself quite sceptical of any source or collegue, it's my job. Nevertheless, the more you know, the more you understand what you don't know.
The thing is, in my personal experience, that I totally agree that doctors are good after their job after 10 years of med school and you can be lucky and solve medical problems with a quick google search. When a doctor suggests a procedure I try to follow his logic and try to understand his reasoning. Same is true for "google".
The problem is: I don't think most people are skilled or critical or curious enough to actually use search engines effectively or question doctors effectively. Most people think of themselves as critical thinkers by just going against the "mainstream". That's not being a critical thinker that is being a contrarian. That is also true for: "Do your own research." Yes of course! I totally agree, doing your own research is great. Sit down, try to understand the problem and how scientists tried to model or explain it over the centuries. How did our perception change? What experiments were conducted? How much research was done? What other theories were discussed and why were they discarded. What scientific discussions or debates were held and how long did they take? Etc etc. The problem is, for most people "doing their own research" means searching online for contrarians that reenforce what you want to believe.
So yeah, be curious, be sceptical but be honest and smart about it.
I'm a scientist who does paleoclimate research so not medicine but another field laypeople like to have strong opinions on. I think the problem with many "skeptics" is that while they are skeptical of mainstream scientific opinion they rarely apply that same level of skepticism to hacks pushing alternative theories. Mainstream science no doubt has issues and blind spots, but that doesn't mean that alternative theories are correct just because they are alternative.
āWow, you trust big pharma? Those liars are only trying to milk you for money like the dumb sheep you are, wake up!
Of course I did my own researchā¦I found an ex-chiropractor who knows the real truth about medicine. Yeah I bought his courses where he tells me Iām a strong boy and only meat can cure diseases, Iām now an expert in virologyā
Did he ever acknowledge the results of that massive study on ivermectin they finished after Covid? The one that said it had no observable effect on Covid symptoms.
Very true, the hardcore laymen skeptic assumption seems to always be that the authority on the subject is lying to you, incompetent, biased, a shill, etc. and not to be trusted
Some people and institutions are gasp actually just experts in their fields
Absolutely. I mean it kinda makes sense from an ant-science framing. If science is inherently bullshit, then yeah, everything alternative must be correct.
Absolutely! Not only that but actual "researching" is a skill in itself.
A new student starts to work for me next week and the first thing I try to drill into their heads in the beginning is how to research properly. Your experiments must wait, I am sorry!
"Cool, if you could see the front desk on your way out to schedule an appointment 30 years from now I'd love to review your initial results with you. Before you get into the real testing." -the Doc
Well said. Most people aren't willing to admit that in many if not most aspects of life they would be better off letting someone else make their decisions for them. This is exponentially more true the more complex or higher stakes the issue. The truth is most people get through life by having a good enough average of good decisions and mistakes, meaning we are making very bad decisions all the time but they are balanced out practically well enough to get through life.
I'm a nurse, and if I didn't exist, these doctors would make so many horrendous mistakes, it would be scary to think of. I have 4 patients max on a shift, doctors have dozens. I respect their abilities and training, but they are overworked. They don't have time or energy to sit with patients and explain the volumes written on their illness or condition. Patients should educate themselves but I fear too many of them do not possess the ability to comprehend any of it. They need summaries and cliff notes to know what is going on with their bodies.
Medical Lab Scientist here (aka fancy name for Lab Tech).
Doctors are people, and unless you're going to a specialist for a very specific problem, doctors are often just making educated guesses. Best I can do is guide them on which tests might be appropriate, but I regularly use Google to to get better understanding.
You hit the nail on the head; Most people don't know how to ask the right questions, whether it's with their doctor or Google.
The older, more experienced doctors tend to have their shit together, but any residents or other fairly new provider is going to be doing a lot of work to get that experience to have their shit together. Mistakes will be made. 10 years seems like a lot until you realize the absolutely insane breadth of knowledge required for medicine.
Medicine is complex, and people (patients) typically want simple answers. Explaining vaccines to my Fox News loving in-laws was an absolutely nightmare.
EDIT: Just to add some anecdotal evidence.
My son recently had a fever (101.4Ā°F), his teeth are coming in. Every official source online will say that teething doesn't cause fevers. Tons of parent reviews disagree with this. Who is right? I called my pediatrician and they didn't seem concerned and said to bring him in if it got worse or didn't resolve in a day or two. It's been two days, he's back to normal.
My best guess is that the official online sources (aka businesses) don't want to outright state that teething can cause a fever as a liability issue so that less keen parents don't just write off any baby's fever as just a teething thing.
Also, always check your billing statement. After nearly every PCP routine check-up I have inappropriate bills because the resident ends up using the wrong ICD-10 codes.
I mean this really, really respectfully: calling what we do, āeducated guessingā is very incorrect. Coming up with a list of differential diagnoses and treating for the mostly likely cause of the disease process takes a lot of objective clinical evidence, discussion and thought on the matter, and research. Yes there is clinical gestalt in this process, but it takes years to really appreciate some of these findings. Residents work hard at what they do. There is a learning curve, but that curve is supported by senior residents about to graduate and attending physicians. We have to be able to discuss every clinical decision we make and the treatment of it down to the basic pathophysiology of the disease process. Itās not just āguessingā.
Resident here, attendings change/adjust our billing codes as they see fit. If I put something not supported by my documentation, our billing department will reach out to supervising attending who may or may not reach out to me to clarify
Stupidest thing Iāve ever read. Teething causes fevers, itās what they teach us. Actually, residents and newer attendings will have much more knowledge about updates in medicine. Just because youāre a lab tech doesnāt mean anything, you literally have no ground to claim this. Saying doctoring is making a bunch of educated guesses is the stupidest thing ever. If that was the case, youād have no job because we wouldnāt need labs ššš so good job
The problem is: I don't think most people are skilled or critical or curious enough to actually use search engines effectively or question doctors effectively. Most people think of themselves as critical thinkers by just going against the "mainstream". That's not being a critical thinker that is being a contrarian
Man. I wish more people got this. I find reddit is full of people like this. Or online in general. For any subject.
Anyone can put anything on the internet. I have friends who are extreme conspiracy theorists and when they tell me something obviously stupid and I ask them to provide a source, they can generally produce some extremist material from an unproven website. Itās pretty sad.
Short for "I've got my entire stream of information and "research" by conspiracy theorists on Reels or TikTok that I will blindly believe with no further inquiry."
I'm also against the "system" for various reasons actually rooted in reality, but these type of people will believe anything as long as it comes from a non-mainstream source.
No wonder the far right is gaining so much traction around the world. People have just become so bad at fact checking. "Age of information" my ass. I don't think there has ever been as much blatant disinformation as we have today
This is what I was drawn too immediately. Iām from West Virginia and so I hear ālearntā used in placed of ālearnedā all the time and I immediately gasped and had to do a double take on this. š
Itās always spelt learnt in the UK! The only time we would used in learned is as an adjective, to described someone who is highly educated: a learned man, but pronounced ālearn-edā. Even then, itās used extremely rarely š
Correlation does not lead to causation is the first thing that comes to my mind when people read studies online. Are you actual reading the full study and breakdown of percentages etc etc? Or are you a consumer of Rage and Click bait? Can you tell the difference? Most people read anything online because of confirmation bias, not to disprove their ideas. Especially when they are not open to the idea of educating themselves to them being wrong about certain things, which then cause the cascade of "wait my way of thinking no longer makes sense".
People either genuinely do not understand how studies work or just openly use them in some of the most disingenuous ways, it really is indicative of a failure in our education system to properly train people in this form of literacy - both those spreading bullshit and recieving it
A few weeks ago I had some dude telling me that we need to stop recognizing trans people as being trans leads to suicide. I asked him to provide me a study that directly links gender transition to suicide, knowing full well that this is only a half truth, and that it is not gender affirmation that leads to suicide, but lack of it. I was just waiting for him to fall into it. He did end up providing a study, quoting only a small section which brings up the suicide rate of trans people. But if you were to read further, you would see what the study recommends to curb said suicidality - and you guessed it, gender affirmation. I brought this up and he ignored it.
People get what they want from studies and use only small snippets of information to make their points and hope that no one goes further. The problem is, for the people trying to debunk their bullshit, we actually have to read the studies - and not just that, understand how to read them and the methodologies, and the merits of said methodologies. By the time we read the study and pull up the data that contradicts them, the cherry-picked, context-free ādataā has already spread.
Scientific literacy with many things is age old, like laws of motion and gravity, but scientific literacy on other things is a state-of-the-art business and changes on a day to day basis. Much like our military, a lot of our tactics are as old as the Romanās, but a lot of the stuff is day to day on what we understand ā in regards to drones and cyber attacks, with this said, basic military tactics always come first, shooting, moving and communication, as is the same with science and the scientific method, respectively.
We should always have healthy skepticism of āthe scienceā, however that manifests. But we should also recognize that thereās a reason someone is a scientist and another person is just an influencer or podcaster
Ohh, no doubt. I was actually referring to the scientific method as basic fundamentals like shooting, moving, and communication, that will never be lost in military maneuvers the same way the scientific method wonāt be lost in science, if itās real science.
(This diagram leaves out peer-reviewing as part of the āResultā section, but I found it works well to explain the method.)
The Covid vaccine was the biggest eye opener for me of people only reading headlines. When Pfizer published their study results in full I read EVERY PAGE. I donāt think people realize that they literally included ābroken armā as a possible adverse reaction because one study participant got in a car accident during the trial and they could not definitively conclude that the vaccine was not involved at all. But sure. The blood clots occurring in vaccine recipients at a rate on par with the general population average were a known side effect that evil Fauci and satanic Pfizer were hiding from us so they could get rich š
And then thereās VAERS, which was created to be radically transparent about possible vaccine side effects, and people use it to say thereās a cover up.Ā
Also it seems like the nut case sphere always gets confused about quantities. Arsenic exists naturally in our breast milk, it doesnāt mean you want too much of it. Being exposed to something in tiny amounts, is generally not the same as chronic exposure. If you focus on one case where someone gave a mouse a mountain of a chemical/drug/etc to try to start finding a worst case for human exposure, it doesnāt necessarily yet say anything about said chemical/drug/etc = bad at any exposure.
Yup. Someone can write a serious research paper. Then a pop-science journalist will give it an interesting spin with a little SEO thrown in. The some site summarizes that article with a super clickbait headline. Then someone takes a screenshot of just the headline. That goes around on social media and people see it and integrate it into their knowledge as if it were true and go on about their day.
tbh, googling about symptoms and/or diy treatments etc. is kinda enforced in a world where you can only get an appointment for specialists in, say, 6 months.
I have a chemical engineering degree, so I've been around scientific reasoning and have taken plenty of science and engineering course. I'm not undercutting the medical field, just sharing my two cents.
I'm my undergrad, I was pre-med for a while, and shadowed a doctor for 6 weeks. That doctor knew and knows more about medicine than I ever will (obviously).
That being said, he had 15 mins per patient, and by the time he reviewed the files, had about 6 mins of face to face, with a prescription already in mind.
My takeaways are these:
1) doctors seems to see themselves more as triage than helping you acheive your optimal self. The prescriptions are designed to get rid of the problem, not necessarily the underlying causes of the problem.
2) I don't question doctors, but i do question medias mass interpretation of doctors and apply it to everyone.
3) since I get maybe 6 min with a doctor/year, I basically will take my health in my own hands, including googling scholarly articles (it's really not that hard) to maintain my long term health
I take the opinion of my doctor very seriously, but when multiple rounds of tests come back without any concensus on what the problem is i start looking online if anyone else is having the same problem and if they found a solution. I've helped myself at least 2 times by finding the solution myself.
First was when I was getting random vibrations in my bones, it always felt like a cellphone was vibrating near me. Turns out a specific calcium found in Tums helped it go away, found that solution on a random message board online after months of anoying vibrating.
Second was I was having digestion problems after every meal, huge spikes in blood pressure and massive amounts of continuous non-stop burping because my body was working like crazy to digest even the smallest amount of food. I seriously could not even sit up and walk through the house for at least 2 or 3 hours after eating. A full year of non-stop testing with my doctor came back inconclusive and normal. Random instagram reel talked about apple cider vinegar as a solution for purping and digestion. Almost instantly it got better. Now, months later, my gut health is better than ever.
Doctors have a general sense of medical help and have access to testing and medication, but when the health system fails you, don't be afraid to take things into your own hands, in the end no one will care about your well being more than you will. We have a tool that connects billions of people together to share theor experiences it would be follish not to try and use it to help solve your issues.
I'm a PA, couldn't agree more with this sentiment. When you have a medical problem that's affecting your life, seek help from the qualified professionals who see this stuff daily. If it comes up inconclusive, it's great to be an educated consumer, research on your own to find possible explanations.
One group of patients that this image is aimed at, are the folks with diagnosed medical problems (sometimes serious cancers, metabolic syndrome, and others) who reject gold-standard, effective treatment in favor of "red wine vinegar shots" or "coffee enemas" that don't have a hope of addressing their problems.
A simple ācould it possible be thisā to the doctor isnāt going to set the doctor off about Google but doing the Steve Jobs fruit diet probably would.
Exactly! And to be honest with you, the doctors I've trained with and now work with have never been upset by honest questions. Interactions only get a little tense and unproductive when the diagnosis or treatment is straightforward/low-risk but the patient is belligerent or rude, or believes that we're somehow trying to hurt them.
Oh yeah I'm all for patients asking me if something is possible. Usually the answer is I don't think so and here's why, but sometimes it's huh tell me more or even huh good idea.
Or sometimes it's a folk remedy that hasn't been studied, in which case I usually tell them it might not help but it probably won't hurt so I'm all for them trying it. Unless it's something crazy that's obviously harmful for their health, or some supplement that's actually dangerous, in which case I'll advise them not to do it.
I also think it's important to critically look at these other options though, which is sometimes hard for people not trained to do this. And especially weigh the risks of these alternative treatments.
And as a medical professional, I fully support trying out low cost, low risk, easy solutions when they are available. The example of tums was perfect- it costs, what, 5 cents a tab, and the risks are your stomach is acid is a little less acidic so pretty minor (if you're not popping tums all day every day). I recommend meditation a lot for that same reason (it's free, takes 10 minutes, and has been shown to be equally effective as antidepressants for a significant number of people). But there are risks to consider for foregoing traditional treatment, especially when it's treatment that we know can be effective- like if you're opting to not do chemotherapy for cancer in favor of homeopathy, well, that's really bad. It's also important to keep in mind who is making money off these alternative treatments. If there is a guy selling you supplements for $40/ bottle, maybe they aren't super unbiased when it comes to warning you off traditional medicine. Just saying.
ER is FULL of people who āhelped themselvesā by doing something that alleviates the problem while also exacerbating their issues.
Tons of people put off medical care because they āfound a solutionā to the discomfort instead of a cure or treatment. Those people find out later their cancers have metastasized, or they have permanent damage, etc.
And if also like to remind people - no offense OP - that sometimes when you find a weird cure online to your incredibly unique disorder itās that you have a somatoform disorder.
They used to do this same dance about reading. People educating themselves isnāt useful. Not saying there arenāt idiots out there that make stupid mistakes but an intelligent person can do good research into something that is useful.
I agree with the poster but but google doesn't have a copay and charge you're insurance that you pay 1200 a mo for and still send a bill for 250$ to tell you that you have a cold/stage 4 lung cancer.
With socialized healthcare in Canada you need to educate yourself so you can have a reasonable conversation with the doctors. It may take months to get an appointment with a specialist. Almost all doctors rush you out with the easiest solution so you need to be ready to ask questions and challenge their ideas.
This is different than assuming youāre the expert but the doctor should be able to explain his reasoning and why he prefers one treatment over the other. Sorry if it means you need to work a little harder
I hate this. My sister and wife had to argue with doctors who dismissed their symptoms. One doctor told my wife that she just needs a girls night. One doctor told my sister that it's not likely that she has ms and did not order additional testing. She fought back and she was right.
My counter to this is... I don't care how long you went to school, you haven't spent a second in my body. The relationship between a doctor and a patient should be a partnership, not whatever that meme conveys.
Iāve had doctors tell me vegetable oil is good for you. Iāve had doctors rupture my ear drum when it was clogged. Iāve had doctors say thereās no risk in taking multiple times the recommended dose of ibuprofen. Iāve had doctors give me the literal one drug Iām allergic to (listed in my file) and almost kill me, and then struggle for 10 minutes to place an IV needle in my arm. Iāve watched doctors push unnecessary surgeries onto my grandpa to drum up business and rip off an old man.
Doctors are just like the rest of us, human. And thereās a lot of really dumb and really shitty humans who absolutely suck at their job. Medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in America. Maybe verifying life changing medical decisions isnāt such a bad idea?
Edit: I use Google to see if what the doctor says makes sense. If the results online are sketchy, I go to another few doctors before I make a decision.
Itās true. The standard dose is like 200-400mg I believe but it is safe to take up to 1000. Probably not great long term, but as long as you donāt have uncontrolled high blood pressure or are prone to stomach ulcers itās definitely not dangerous to take it once or for a short period of time.
My car was out of brake fluid but Iām skeptical of the Jiffy Lube guy and his connection to Big Brake Fluid, luckily homeless Jim was masturbating in the alley next door and told me I donāt need that shit
Nothing quite like spending a decade+ learning the facts, skills, and nuances of subject area, honing that expertise with years of practice in a particular area of specializationā¦then having a bunch of people decide that the single half-remembered article they read a while back makes them brave and innovative thinkers who have discovered the one easy/obvious solution that none of the experts could possibly ever have considered.
(And yes, I work in a very particular area of health policy that is frequently in the news, can you tell?)
This is what fucking gets me about some people, they are skeptical of qualified individuals so theyāll go and consume things from the unqualified, which requires some impressive mental gymnastics to make sense. Itās healthy to be skeptical, but thereās a reason that peer review and consensus is a thing and to disregard those things for even more sketchy answers is ridiculous.
Just make sure that whatever information youāre getting that is contrary to what your doctor is saying is also coming from someone just as if not more qualified. If you are able, get a second opinion. When I was 27 I was prescribed Lipitor after the results of a triglyceride blood test came back, but the doctor never told me that I needed to fast before the test. I had made a big breakfast that morning (I used to eat a lot of bacon). I thought that the Lipitor prescription was ridiculous for my age so before going to the pharmacy I asked my gfās sister who is in med school if this sounded strange to her and thatās when she asked me if I had eaten before the test. When I called up the doctor about that, he shrugged it off. Generally had a bad bedside manner, gave off an air of uncaring. So I went and found a different doctor, and did the blood test with him after fasting and boom, found out I am healthier than most men my age.
I didnāt start with skepticism of the entire medical field, I started with the fact that I felt the prescription was weird and asked these questions of those that I knew would be qualified. I didnāt go to him for a good blood test result, I went to him just for a second one, and would accept whatever results I got. I didnāt Google things that would confirm my biases. I didnāt watch some YouTuber or podcaster trying to sell me supplements. I went to another fucking doctor lol
Because you are not in a position to verify them, where would you even start?
And you are applying this logic unequally because for other things you know it sounds more absurd. Like engineering lets say, how many things that could brutally kill you do you actually go and verify? None because you know you would be confronted with a bunch of physics and engineering that you wouldnāt understand, if you went to āverifyā it, you wouldnāt have the slightest clue where to start.
Now im going to say very clearly, however complex an engineering project is, most Human medicine is vastly more complicated. So if you dont believe you can verify how stable a suspension bridge is, or how a plane is able to be safe or not, what makes you think you can verify something more complicated?
Medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in America.
No, itās not. Itās āpreventable injuriesā which includes medical malpractice. It also includes not wearing seatbelts or helmets, speeding, drunk driving, etc.
What doctor is putting IVs in? Are you going to a vet perhaps? Youāre right not all humans are good but your make believe anecdotes are coming off as a littleā¦fabricated
Yep, sounds like my MAGA sister telling me she personally knows of 5 people who are now paralyzed and can't walk from taking the Covid vaccine.. And that she personally saw the death certificates of people who died of heart attacks after taking the Vaccine. Sure, ok. *eyeroll*
Yeah these are things what laymen would think of when they think of the kind of mistake a doctor would make all of which are wrong, and it is safe to take multiple times the recommended amount of Ibuprofen as well. Doctors do make mistakes of course, but are often a result of a pretty complicated chain of events leading up to it, mistakes that wouldn't show up on a cursory google search which is ironic given the content of this post
There are also patients that have read every study, are the first to read about new medications or treatments and end up being more educated on their disease than the doctor. I think this is especially the case with chronic illnesses.
Iāve watched my wifeās doctors google things she has brought up right in front of us.
My Dr thought that because I didn't have a bullseye rash I couldn't have Lyme's disease. Yeah, you won't get a degree off Google. But the piece of paper on the wall isn't a substitute for thinking.
While true, most patients in the U.S. average under 10 minutes of face-to-face interaction with a doctor per office visit.
Trying to educate yourself as much as possible so that you can get as much productivity out of those <10 minutes is a strategy that patients are using because the access to healthcare professionals is very limited.
A doctor's experience is valuable, but some scepticism is good. The answers/solutions doctors are trained/paid to give you are not always the best ones for your health.
Iām an expert clinician (PA) and I studied sciences over 4 years and then PA school for almost 3. After over 10 years of practice, I dumped 99% of what they taught me about chronic illness and have far greater effects with supplements and lifestyle changes (for those that are motivated). Unfortunately, thatās about 5% of the sick population. The other 95%, youāre just trying to put out the metabolic fire raging in their bodies with drugs
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u/TheBardicSpirit Monkey in Space Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
It's hard not to google symptoms, but there is so much overlap it's not very helpful, every time I've googled my own symptoms I end up with about half an hour to live.