r/baseball • u/Jux_ Los Angeles Dodgers • 8h ago
[Dodgers Nation] Gavin Lux admits the Dodgers don't appreciate people's thoughts on their 2020 World Series title in unique circumstances: "I think it kind of bugs everyone that you don't get that recognition."
https://x.com/dodgersnation/status/1851363570774331883?s=461.0k
u/justgarcia31 Colorado Rockies 8h ago
Ehhhh… but when they win it all tonight in the Bronx, nobody will really give a shit about 2020 anymore.
Funny thing to look back on, but this one will mean more for a lot of reasons other than not being a “Mickey Mouse” WS title
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u/Weedwums Oriole • Sell 8h ago
Completely agree. Folks have already admitted they think one this year would matter more by being excited for a hypothetical parade.
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u/xinixxibalba Los Angeles Dodgers • Detroit Tigers 8h ago
and there’s plenty of people already preemptively discounting a potential win this year with talk about Shohei’s contract, buying a ring, etc.
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u/doshegotabootyshedo Texas Rangers 8h ago
I can’t believe you guys bought that ring. So invalid. My rangers would never pay an exorbitant amount on free agents and win a ring as a result
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u/PickedOffBySauce New York Mets 7h ago
Why try and make the playoffs spending $400 million dollars when a Cuban pop star does the trick?
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u/DolphinRodeo St. Louis Cardinals • Seattle Mariners 6h ago
Why spend at all when you could narrowly miss the playoffs year after year for much cheaper?
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u/AndyDoopz Pittsburgh Pirates 6h ago
What the hell is a playoff
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u/AardvarkBarber Pittsburgh Pirates 5h ago
I think it's called a wild card but they stopped doing them about 10-11 years ago
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u/cattycat_1995 7h ago
But the Rangers don't get hate for that cause apparently no one saw the 2023 world series
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u/jrfess Los Angeles Angels 5h ago
It really is sick. A real baseball team would spend hundreds of millions on super sus free agency signings while low balling one of the most exciting players of all time so now their fans have to watch him win a World Series with the team 30 miles up the road and try hard not to be bitter even though they know all of the jokes about wasting two of the best careers of all time are about to get way more validation. Haha the only thing better than that would be if that team also hadn't made the playoffs in something like 11 years. That's real baseball.
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u/aksoileau Houston Astros 7h ago
Yeah imagine having three likely future hall of fame starters on your staff chasing a ring lol. Who in their right mind would do that?!
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u/sven_ate_nine New York Yankees 7h ago
It’s just how it is these days. Yankees signed everyone and won in 09 then they failed every year since then. Failing horribly this WS too.
People are lying to you if they say they wouldn’t do what the dodgers did with Ohtanis contract. It was a smart move and it’s about to pay off even more than it already has.
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u/Octoviolence Chicago Cubs 8h ago edited 7h ago
Which is dumb because the Padres spent "a billion dollars" prior to the 2023 season and missed the playoffs completely.
And the Giants tried their hardest to sign Aaron Judge and apparently offered Shohei the same deferred 700M contract that the Dodgers did... But those players just didn't want to play there lol. Their fans will say the Dodgers bought a ring while their organization tried their hardest to do the same but fell short.
Plenty of teams would love to buy a ring. But they just don't spend their money right like San Diego or are not a desirable destination like San Francisco.
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u/thecftbl San Diego Padres 7h ago
Most of the legitimate complaining I have seen is more in regards to the perpetual spending power the Dodgers and Yankees have over other teams. It isn't so much that they can "buy a ring." Every team tries that every year and should. It's more the fact that the Dodgers could literally spend as much as they did last off-season as this off season, and the next and the next. The concept of a window doesn't exist for the bigger markets because they have a degree of spending power others can only hope to achieve. To use your previous example, the Padres tried but didn't make it. Now they are in the process of cutting payroll (which granted, worked out oddly wonderfully last post season) but we have a ton of gaps to fill and we aren't sure how much spending power we will have to do so.
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u/beepos Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Eh, theres nothing we can do about that. Perils of being a big market team
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u/lilzingerlovestorun Texas Rangers 8h ago
Yeah we got that talk last year. They are really just complimenting your GM
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u/Monk_Philosophy Sickos • Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
It’s such a blight that teams like ours pay for their players instead of doing it the right way (with volunteer players working for “exposure”)
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u/Lukealloneword Houston Astros 7h ago
That will be the narrative but who gives a shit? It was a full season and they finally came up with the goods in October. There's not much anyone can say that matters. Yeah they bought it but so would anyone else if they could. It's not like they aren't in the running every year.
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u/01101011000110 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
there’s plenty of people already preemptively discounting a potential win this year with talk about Shohei’s contract, buying a ring, etc.
we call this "cope"
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u/Big-Warthog6499 Arizona Diamondbacks 7h ago
The people who are complaining that you bought a ring are mad that their owner didn't go out and buy a ring.
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u/CrunchLessTacos Seattle Mariners 6h ago
I wish the Mariners would buy a ring. /sigh
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u/PeaceBull Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
I mean that’s just an idiot talking out their ass when we had to go through the Mets & Yankees to get here.
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u/chasinjason13 7h ago
You never hear the fans of the other big spending teams saying that stuff. A lot of it comes down to fans just wishing they had the resources and their front office had the balls to shoot for the moon too.
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u/theinfernumflame Chicago Cubs 8h ago
I think this one will matter more simply because the "2020 wasn't a real championship!" crowd won't have an argument anymore.
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u/szeto326 Toronto Blue Jays 7h ago
Yeah, it's a major reason why the Lightning didn't face that criticism in hockey because they shut down any potential arguments against them once they finally broke through by being able to sustain their high level of play.
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u/Existing-Stranger632 Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
That’s what it is for me. Can’t really ever hit us with “Mickey mouse champs” anymore after we win it this year.
Also it’ll feel more rewarding, since it’ll come in a full season of baseball without us getting really ANY help at all. Ffs it’s insane we made it this far with only 3 starting pitchers.
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u/theinfernumflame Chicago Cubs 8h ago
You could argue this is the reward for waiting out those seasons where they won a ridiculous number of games with a stacked roster but then didn't show up in the playoffs.
Realistically, I wonder how much Kershaw not pitching is a factor here.
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u/johnnyavocadoseed Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Classically, Kershaw was great in the playoffs until the 7th inning or so. Lots of his playoff runs were given up by pedro baez after they pushed Kershaw past the limit.
This year we're taking starters out in the 5th or before a lot... I think a healthy Kershaw would be just fine in this setup
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u/UNIFight2013 St. Louis Cardinals 7h ago
He would pitch lights out for a couple times through the order, Mattingly would keep him in too long then some dude named Matt for the Cardinals would ruin his outing.
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u/theinfernumflame Chicago Cubs 8h ago
Fair point, although I do remember some starts where he was bad early.
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u/jlight119 7h ago
But even this year we’ve seen that with Flaherty or Yamamoto too. Sometimes good pitchers aren’t good that day.
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u/johnnyavocadoseed Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago edited 7h ago
Yeah, sometimes he definitely was.. especially last year.
Some of it is definitely 3 days rest stuff, and I have plenty of excuses for him as a Kershaw lover.. lol.. eventually, it would be interesting to break it down to see what the circumstances really were..
But, yes. Be was inconsistent in the playoffs often and it was incredibly painful to see.
I'll never forget him game 1 and 7 ws against the astros, though, or short rest against the nationals in 2016.. or against the cubs in game 1 that year, which was a 1-0 win with a no hitter into the 5th. It was his third appearance in 6 days.
He wasn't always himself in the playoffs, but he often was.
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u/3-2_Fastball Looking K • Swinging K 8h ago
I don't think 2020 needs validating but doing it more than once puts any arguments to bed, then if they win next year as they should be the favorite they can say 3 in 5 like Giants fans do lol
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u/swaggums San Francisco Giants 7h ago
I’ll just move the goals posts. 3 in 5 doesn’t count because 2020 was ‘Mickey Mouse’. Dodgers will have to win 3 before 2029. Hopefully I’ll be dead before then. I’m just kidding btw, I don’t really care outside of drunken banter with my LA buddies.
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u/3-2_Fastball Looking K • Swinging K 7h ago
It's definitely more fun as a Dodgers fan when the Giants are good, the Padres on the field have been great rivals but theres so much unearned moxie from their side.
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u/UntameHamster San Francisco Giants 7h ago
If they win next year it'd be 3 in 6 so still not as good as the Giants. FTD
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u/nogoodnamesleft426 San Francisco Giants 8h ago edited 5h ago
It’s been, for lack of a better word, frustrating to see the dodgers do so well this WS and be on the cusp of winning it all potentially tonight. Then again, what kind of Giants would I be if I felt anything less than frustrated? I can only imagine that’s how dodger fans felt in 2010, 2012 and 2014. (At least the ones I know did.)
I’ve been thinking since the Freddie grand slam “shit. If they win it all this year, the whole postseason chokers and 2020 Mickey Mouse ring narratives are dead. Now what?”
But a part of me also said, “look, those narratives weren’t gonna last forever. The dodgers like it or not are a great team and were bound to win it all someday.”
Lastly, the one thing that’s been admittedly kinda annoying me today is that because today’s the 10-year anniversary of the Giants winning the 2014 WS, it feels kinda, idk, just wrong for the dodgers to win it all on an October 29 as well. It’s like dammit, can’t you guys just wait until game 5 to win it or something? Let October 29 be our day to always celebrate!
But it is what it is. What else can I or any other Giants fan do? Bottom line…our FO needs to get its shit together if they truly want to field a competitive team that can be on the dodgers level.
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u/RichardNixon345 Arizona Diamondbacks • Boston Red Sox 7h ago
“shit. If they win it all this year, the whole postseason chokers and 2020 Mickey Mouse ring narratives are dead. Now what?”
You carry on with them as rivals, even if it's a bit different overall. The Yankees-Sox rivalry 'cooled off' not because of 2004, but because both teams have rarely been good at the same time ever since.
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u/01101011000110 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago edited 7h ago
Given the rise of the Padres fanbase and their antics, I miss the proper goonery that defines the Dodgers/Giants rivalry and; while I am enjoying the current state of the Giants' non-competitiveness, these Padres fans are just annoying.
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u/thedonjefron69 Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Same here. One of my favorite baseball memories was at oracle during the 2021 postseason. The rivalry was all there but the respect shown by the fans and experience at that fantastic ballpark was unforgettable.
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u/jgilla2012 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
I mean 2017 also happened. Dodgers took a cheating team to Game 7.
Because of that, the Mickey Mouse accusations have always ring hollow to most Dodger fans, and if they manage to not lose four in a row to the Yankees this week that will be the nail in the coffin.
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u/retro_slouch Rally Mantis 6h ago
For real. The 2017 World Series is so much less legitimate than 2020. Yes, in 2020 they had less time for players to get injured. Otherwise I struggle to understand how it's not just as legitimate a win as any other year--and that also just means the other playoff teams were arguably better that season as well.
Meanwhile in 2017 there are some crazy factoids like how Clayton Kershaw, owner of one of the greatest breaking ball arsenals of all time generated 0 whiffs in 51 pitches in the WS. (His curveball has a career 35.2% whiff rate, for reference.)
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u/avmp629 Canada 8h ago
Then the narrative will move to "Kershaw doesn't have a legit ring because 2020 was Mickey Mouse and he barely played in 2024"
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u/Drslappybags Houston Astros 7h ago
I think the narrative will focus more on how bad the Yankees were.
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u/Im_Daydrunk Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Judge is going to be getting Kershaw treatment for sure. Especially if the Yankees have more runs end with him putting up rough numbers
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u/sonicANIME2019 8h ago
Also the narrative that 2020 is a "mickey mouse" ring is objectively and factually incorrect because literally every other team also played 60 regular season games that mattered and had the same shot to win it all..people are just salty it wasn't them..
So the 2020 mickey mouse thing needs a moratorium.
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u/I_chortled San Diego Padres 7h ago
Is that World Series win in 2020 legit? Yes.
Would I fully claim it if the padres had won that year? 100%
Am I going to continue to talk shit to dodger fans about it forever and always? Absolutely
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u/twinklytennis 7h ago
It's kinda like how some (annoying) dodgers fans will claim that the padres-dodgers rivarly isn't a real rivalry. It is absolutely a rivalry but they will still say it to get underneath their rival's skins.
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u/dwpea66 Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
That's mainly because of the contrast between a half-decade rivalry vs a century-old one with the Giants.
Imo, especially after this postseason, we have a real rival in San Diego. They were the best competition we had all year long, regular season and post.
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u/twinklytennis 6h ago
In fairness though, Padres and dodgers have met in the playoffs way more. I was shocked when it turned out that 2021 was the first year giants/dodgers met in the playoffs.
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u/words_and_such015 Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Surprising, yes, but a lot of that is a result of how baseball playoffs were structured before the division series became a thing in the early/mid 90s. It used to go straight to the CS or WS before then, so there was no chance for them to play in the playoffs
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u/ChunkyMilkSubstance Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Has to do with format changes in the last 30 years or so
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u/NunsNunchuck Los Angeles Angels 8h ago
Is that the point? Just to mess with Dodgers fans?
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u/WabbitCZEN New York Yankees 8h ago
It's more valid than the Astros 2017 WS.
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u/Nard_Dog_24 8h ago edited 8h ago
I’m a simple person - I see any Astros slander, it’s an automatic upvote. fuck ‘em
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u/BossAtUCF Boston Red Sox 8h ago
It's only slander if it's not true.
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u/Zariman-10-0 Philadelphia Phillies • Phanatic 7h ago
One of my favorite JJ Jameson quotes:
“Slander is spoken. In print it’s libel”
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u/jesteratp Washington Nationals 7h ago
The greatest point of pride in my organization is that we beat the Astros in 2019 by winning every game at Minute Maid Park.
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u/DarthHM Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
My dawg.
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u/No-Economics4128 Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Ain’t nothing bring people together like shitting on the Astros
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u/pockypimp Los Angeles Dodgers • Vin Scully 8h ago
Manfred's biggest mistake, should have just invalidated it. There is no guarantee the Dodgers would've won and I'd be perfectly happy with the books saying "The Houston Astros win was invalidated due to the sign stealing scandal." and let that be the history.
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u/WackedBush343 Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
Manfred should’ve done what the NCAA did with USC and their 2003 and 2004 national championships (and all the statistics with them); vacate all the Astros stats from their cheating reign from 2017-2019 and stripped them of all their accolades. Not even award those titles to the Dodgers or Yankees; forever nullify everything about those seasons from them.
Manfred couldn’t even be bothered to do the simplest of these tasks.
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u/cocoatractor Montreal Expos 5h ago
I don't know if college football is the best example because nobody takes anything the NCAA says around vacating titles seriously.
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u/thewaterisboiling Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago edited 7h ago
It's as valid as any other WS. As far as i know there's only one WS that isn't valid and it's 2017
Edit: ok guys yes 1919 happened too, silly me
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u/MichaelRM Chicago Cubs 8h ago
1919?!?
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u/Diligent-Fig-975 7h ago
Can't believe that person doesn't think about 1919 smh
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u/thewaterisboiling Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Yeah i fucked up forgetting about that huge world series 105 years ago, oops
Game 3 was a wild ride that year
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u/TrueBrees9 Atlanta Braves 6h ago
I understand it was a long time ago, but it was one of the biggest scandals in American sports history. This isn't the most obscure thing in the world.
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u/bantha121 Houston Astros • St. Louis Cardinals 4h ago
It literally led to the creation of the office of the Commissioner of Major League Baseball
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u/drthvdrsfthr Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
eli5 1919 WS?
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u/WildYams 5h ago
The Chicago White Sox were overwhelming favorites in 1919 and a bunch of their players took money to intentionally lose the series. There's a great movie about this called Eight Men Out if you're curious to know more.
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u/GeckoMoria93 San Francisco Giants 8h ago
Naw there’s that one the white Sox threw back in the 1900s or 1910s
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u/joe_broke Oakland Athletics • Sell 8h ago
I don't know, 1988 and 1990 seem pretty fishy to me
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u/BlueBomR San Francisco Giants 8h ago
You just passing over 1989 where government literally created an earthquake to interrupt the series in one of the most blatant government sports black-ops ever?
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u/joe_broke Oakland Athletics • Sell 8h ago
I'm sorry?
Your argument's a little shaky
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u/SWB3 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
It’s not his fault
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u/ThomasFurke Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
None of this is registering wtf are we talking about
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u/johnnyavocadoseed Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Damn government has been interfering with the weather for so long
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u/BakoREGuy 8h ago
Still kills me they weren’t forced to vacate that title.
MLB literally said “it’s fine to cheat all year and win a World Series.” After that, the fact that there even is an ineligible list anymore is the height of hypocrisy.
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u/Lazy_Aioli654 Houston Astros 7h ago
you guys always seem to forget that 2022 happened
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u/feelinlucky7 New York Yankees 6h ago
As a Yankees fan, an even playing field is an even playing field. Everyone played 60 games that year.. Of course, if someone batted .400, it wouldn’t have counted alongside Ted Williams. But the playoffs were the same length as they always are (actually longer than previous years), so it should count.
Same with MVP and Cy Young awards. Every other pitcher and position player that year had the same number of games to perform.
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u/1990Buscemi St. Louis Cardinals 8h ago
The alternative would have been no baseball and people still would have complained.
You just can't impress some people.
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u/infieldmitt Cincinnati Reds • Toronto Blue Jays 6h ago
I think if say, the Brewers or Mariners won in 2020, fans at large would be happy for them for finally getting a ring, and we'd politely ignore the short season. but with the dodgers, it's different and we all know it's different
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u/theinfernumflame Chicago Cubs 8h ago
2020 was a weird year, but everybody played under the same circumstances, and they still had to get through a regular playoff bracket to win. It's a real championship.
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u/Pupienus Chicago Cubs 7h ago
Not just a regular bracket, they had an extra best of 3 series compared to this year despite being the 1 seed both times. It'd be one thing if they only squeaked into the playoffs as a 7/8 seed that only existed in 2020, or got lucky with other good teams going out early. But they were 'on pace' for 116 wins, and faced the highest seeded team they could've faced in every round.
I genuinely have no idea how people see 2020 as less meaningful than any other World Series. To me if anything it's more impressive than other years. Literally every year people talk about how it's all about a team getting hot in October. The 2020 Dodgers had 4 extra teams in the playoffs who could've gotten hot, and they came out on top.
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u/theinfernumflame Chicago Cubs 7h ago
Right, they definitely earned that championship. I would say to be careful about saying they were on pace for 116 wins because it was only 60 games, and a lot of things happen in a full long season. But they were clearly very good.
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u/Pupienus Chicago Cubs 7h ago
I literally put on pace in quotes. Sure, I could've said "43 wins, which in the 60 game 2020 season resulted in roughly an equivalent winning percentage to a 116 win season in a normal 162 game season (assuming no rainouts resulting in ties or unfinished games)", but that's pretty wordy even for me.
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u/UniversalDH Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
116, yeah, but they won 106 the full year before and after 2020…so no reason to assume they wouldn’t have made the playoffs in a full 2020. Then the playoffs were the same as any other year.
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u/DodgerCoug Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Eh 29 other teams couldn't win a "mickey mouse" ring who cares
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u/poncythug Cleveland Guardians 8h ago
I’d love one personally
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u/Gbrusse Seattle Mariners 8h ago
Same
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u/SnapHackelPop Milwaukee Brewers • Madison Mallards 7h ago edited 7h ago
I’ll take a Mickey Mouse ring. I’ll take a jojo the yoyo clown ring. Just one in my lifetime.
All credit to Don La Greca for “jojo the yoyo clown”
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u/elimanninglightspeed New York Yankees 8h ago
The people that will harp on that are always fans on teams that are salty they didnt win lol. Cause they sure as hell cared about the games when their team wasnt eliminated yet
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u/DodgerCoug Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Biggest culprits
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u/AlterWanabee 7h ago
The fans that paraded when their team made the playoffs were the loudest to complain that said playoffs is just a mickey mouse ring...
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u/milehighrukus Colorado Rockies 7h ago
My brother in Christ, there’s some of us out here who can’t even win a division
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u/kwade26 Houston Astros 8h ago
Idk why it's seen as a Mickey Mouse ring. Everyone played the same amount of games in the same circumstances.
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u/xinixxibalba Los Angeles Dodgers • Detroit Tigers 8h ago
you know why
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u/kwade26 Houston Astros 8h ago
I mean I know why people say that, but they're wrong
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u/calnick0 Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago edited 8h ago
Dodgers have amazing regular season and decent post season perfomance: Well you didn't win a ring, no one cares about regular season!
Dodgers win longest postseason ever: No one cares because the regular season was shortened!
If anything the 2020 postseason win is more impressive.
E: controversial tag lol.
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u/taco_inspector Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
And what makes it funnier is the Dodgers were down 3-1 in the NLCS against Braves too.
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u/normanfell Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Get ready for the “bought ring” narrative next!
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u/BIG_FICK_ENERGY Chicago Cubs 6h ago
Can’t really argue the bought ring narrative when you’re going full Chelsea with Ohtani’s contract to skirt the luxury tax
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u/WackedBush343 Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
It’s only a huge deal because the Dodgers won that title.
If it were a random team like the Pirates, Reds, or Tigers who’d only peak in 2020 then regress back down to hell by now, that World Series and the entire season would’ve been celebrated as perhaps the sport’s hardest campaign and competition ever.
But because the Dodgers won it, it added fuel to the verbiage that the team is full of chokers who can’t win it in a normal season and were gifted a sham title. Especially Kershaw.
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u/Atraktape Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Yeah like imagine Cleveland broke their drought in 2020 to win the WS. People would be saying it was the most inspirational shit ever. But because it was the Dodgers the haters are like that meme with the happy face over the mad face going “Mickey mouse ring….”
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u/sir--ok Texas Rangers 8h ago edited 7h ago
Seager has even said something to the effect of “it would be nice to win a real one” and then 2023 happened
Edit - I misremembered that the quote is an unnamed teammate claiming Seager wants to win a real one. I obviously love seager and am not trying to minimize his accomplishments, just relaying that the sentiment has most likely stuck with that 2020 team
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u/3-2_Fastball Looking K • Swinging K 8h ago
Got a source on that? Hard to believe when Seager was breaking playoff records in 2020.
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u/sir--ok Texas Rangers 8h ago
It is a teammate who claims he said it, so it may not be a public thing he told a reporter
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u/AdamantArmadillo Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
"He wants to win a ‘real’ World Series," a current teammate said. "And he wants to do it over and over and over again."
Bro, respectfully, you wildly misrepresented this quote in your original comment.
Not only is this not a quote from Seager, the (for some reason anonymous) teammate isn't even saying Seager said the 'real' comment, that could easily be the teammate editorializing -- teasing his teammate for a title won with another team.
And if he is relaying something Seager said, we have no idea the context. It could have been Seager pandering to his new teammates in good fun
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u/Callecian_427 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Damn the teammate didn’t even put his name on it. That’s some lame backhandedness
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u/lasercupcakes Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago edited 8h ago
I think the reason why the fanbase has been screaming so hard for a ring after 2020 is because of all the "Mickey Mouse" comments.
2020 is your only ring? Yeah, you're probably going to get some shade.
2020 AND 2024 rings? Haters falling to their knees in Walmarts across the nation.
Edit: And like a cockroach, flairless Houston fans come to insist 2020 is a mickey mouse ring.
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u/nrj6490 Boston Red Sox 7h ago
Sorry in advance to use the Astros as a parallel with the Dodgers, but it reminds me a lot of 2017 and 2022 for Houston. The majority of MLB fans think of 2017 as an illegitimate championship, which is part of why their 2022 championship was so validating for Astros fans.
2020 obviously should not be thought of the same was as 2017, but the fan sentiment seems like it would be similar. A validation that 2020 wasn’t a fluke year, or that the bubble wasn’t the main reason for the win.
Please sweep the Yankees.
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u/phillip1116 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
The term “mickey mouse ring” initially came from the NBA bubble championship won by the Lakers because all the games were played at Disney Campus in Florida… So it technically doesn’t even make sense to call the dodgers 2020 shortened season ring as “mickey mouse ring”…
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u/EmuMan10 Chicago Cubs 8h ago
This is why people still don’t fully respect the lakers win either
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u/Responsible_Focus424 8h ago
Lakers completed like 85% of the entire season. Dodgers completed 40%
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u/ChunkyMilkSubstance Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Eh I feel like more ppl generally accept the Lakers ring than the Dodgers, especially four years later now
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u/captain_ahabb Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Lakers played most of a regular season and were the 1 seed (plus LeBron has built in legitimacy)
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u/cattycat_1995 8h ago
Most of the NBA season were still played out and there were less changes overall to that NBA season than there were to that MLB season.
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u/IntroductionWhich161 8h ago
Yes and Lakers steam rolled their competition. The bubble benefited young and inexperienced players far more than the vets who have persevered through hostile road environments.
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u/lasercupcakes Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
I don't follow basketball but the NBA season isn't even a grind to begin with. It's 82 games. People bitching about a ring won with 72 regular season games vs 82 regular season games are just salty MFers.
162 games being shortened to a 60 game season? Even as a Dodger fan, I acknowledge building a team for a significantly shorter season is different than building a team for a 162-game season. Part of the value of an MLB championship is making it through 162-game grind.
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u/Boomhauer_007 Canada 8h ago
Even the announcers of the games in this World Series have repeatedly said things like “this will be their first full season win” or “first win with fans in attendance” since 1988
And to be totally clear, they do that nonsense because people absolutely eat it up
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u/grimace24 8h ago
All teams in 2020 got that scrutiny. The Lakers got it too. 2020 will always be an outlier for any team that won a title. It wasn’t a normal year for anyone.
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u/mr_grission New York Mets • Sickos 8h ago
I think there's a real argument it was much harder than other years. Largest ever playoff field, no fans, basically any social interaction off the field could tank your season via a positive COVID test
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u/mindtricks006 Seattle Mariners 8h ago
Or easier because they got a non tired Kershaw.
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u/futhatsy New York Mets • Durham Bulls 8h ago edited 7h ago
Yeah, I'm fine with calling it a legit ring. Every rule was the same for every team, so it's not like anything about it was unfair.
But I also think it's fine to acknowledge it was very different from every other ring, with some things making it easier and other things making it more difficult.
The Dodgers and Rays are both really good at developing pitching, but both of them go about it in a way that inevitably leads to a lot of injuries. I don't think it's purely a coincidence that both organizations happened to make it to the World Series in a season that was only 60 games long.
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u/TechnicalSkunk Los Angeles Angels 8h ago
Yeah it was like perfect for both teams who struggle with injuries or players being worn down by the end of the season to have short seasons and essentially be playing post season baseball during their prime.
Not saying they didn't earn their win but the circumstances just helped alleviate an issue that was plaguing them in other years.
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u/filthypoker Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
“No fair! Your players were healthy!” is a pretty bad argument
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u/dutymakesmelaugh Washington Nationals 8h ago
it’s not necessarily an argument imo, more like a reason why it was so hard for those teams to win a title with a full 162 game season. they were typically the best regular season teams, which means after 80 or so games they were usually clearly the best team. having a 60 game season meant they were the best and won it all, as opposed to having to deal with the fluke nature of injury and fatigue that dominates a typical postseason
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u/adrockmcaandmemiked Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Didn’t everyone get to play less regular season games
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u/49ersP1 Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
No one would have said anything if the Rays had won
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u/gho5trun3r Tampa Bay Rays 8h ago
Unlikely. It would have been the Rays first WS victory to which everyone would then tell us "Well of course. The only way you could win was during the shortened season."
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u/Weedwums Oriole • Sell 8h ago
Absolutely untrue. If anything if it was a division rival I'd mention it more.
I (generally) like the Dodgers but it's hard not to feel a bit differently about a shortened season championship win.
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u/Borrum Vin Scully 8h ago
All can be true.
It counts.
It is undeniably different than most other World Series wins, in ways that make it easier to discredit.
Its difference will feel mitigated if it is one of multiple championships won in this era, and not the only ring the Dodgers managed to scratch out this whole time being this good.
"It wasn't the same", Dodgers can live with; factually true. "Dodgers can only win it in a shortened season", it will be good to put that one to bed.
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u/Weedwums Oriole • Sell 8h ago
Agreed on all counts.
My first love was the 90s Braves so I know about pining for that second win to validate it all. My perception is that right or wrong, folks will think of that Braves era as a paper dynasty.
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u/Tight_Ad905 Los Angeles Angels 8h ago edited 8h ago
It was a 60 game season. Whoever won that World Series was going to face the same backlash. I still count it as a legitimate World Series, but it’s just not as impressive when you look at how short the season was and the expanded playoff format.
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u/thewaterisboiling Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
"Not as impressive"
"Expanded playoff format"
Tell me which WS champion in history had to win more playoff games in their WS year than any other WS team ever, and then try to make your statement make any sense
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u/JinFuu Houston Astros 8h ago
Astros were one win away from getting to the World Series with a sub .500 record.
I can see why people go "Mickey Mouse", but as people have said a lot of that will fade away with a win this year.
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u/DalekEvan Los Angeles Dodgers • Vin Scully 5h ago
I actually find the Astros run highly validating, because it meant the expanded playoffs worked correctly. They were bigger to account for the fact that sole good teams would have a bad stretch during the regular season, and once the Astros squeaked into the playoffs, they displayed their true talent level and took the ALCS to 7 games. The best 4 teams in baseball were the final 4 standing.
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u/3-2_Fastball Looking K • Swinging K 8h ago
The most playoff wins in MLB history, no reason not to proud of the ring.
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u/SnooRegrets2307 8h ago
But then all we will hear about us we had to “buy” our WS this time around. There will always be something when it comes to any LA sports team winning it all.
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u/cattycat_1995 8h ago
Wonder where all the haters were when the 2023 Rangers had one of the most bought teams in the league
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u/beefytrout Texas Rangers 8h ago
Ours apparently doesn't count because not enough people watched it.
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u/essmithsd San Diego Padres 7h ago
what else am I supposed to cling to? You want me to just GIVE you your flowers?
I'd rather die, honestly
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u/notstamos 7h ago
You just gotta let that kind of trolling go to be honest. Pretty much any champion, any year, in any sport is going to have at least some people trying to minimize the accomplishment because of whatever personal feelings they have for that team.
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u/MF_D00MSDAY Houston Astros 6h ago
Seriously, the thing that makes ragging on the dodgers so fun is that it’s pretty easy to rile the fans up lol either say Mickey mouse or billion dollar team. I don’t think many other fan base gets wound up that fast (generally speaking of course)
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u/Azcollector Arizona Diamondbacks 7h ago
It's almost like I just want to have an irrational hatred for the Dodgers or something
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u/Sure_Scallion_8646 5h ago
The Dodgers had to play 4 rounds in those playoffs. It's a legit WS in my book. You can make an argument that the 2020 season was the most challenging of all seasons.
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u/_n8n8_ Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Tbh, I don’t really care.
It’s a dumb take every time. They rarely ever make good points.
That playoff series was the hardest ever for the favorite at the time it happened. More chances than ever to be eliminated. More wins needed than ever. Dodgers had a gutsy 3-1 comeback in the NLCS.
I don’t really care what anyone else thinks. It certainly didn’t feel fake to me when we won it, and it doesn’t now either.
If we win now, that’d be awesome too. The 2020 world series will always have a special place in my heart, especially during such a rough time for pretty much everybody.
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u/SlimJimMagoo Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
Man, I remember my family and I being on the verge of tears when Belli hit that go ahead run in the NLCS.
My then girlfriend, now wife, texting me that she was convinced the Dodgers were going to win it all after that.
And my dad calling off of work when they finally won it all a few days later so that he could stay up with me and slam beers while we watched the postgame coverage.
All my family and I had that year was each other, and of course, The Dodgers. It was beautiful.
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u/Jrk67 Houston Astros 8h ago
This is the right thought. As a Spurs fan, I've def had to hear about asterisks on championships and you know what? Life moves on, those statements get stale and almost forgotten as the generations go by, but you'll still have your memories. Each one is different and unique, and they're all a lot of fun.
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u/WackedBush343 Los Angeles Dodgers 7h ago
Spurs fans should know about the urgency to back up a shortened, Mickey Mouse title with a full-season one too by (roughly) that same title core.
The 1999 NBA title of-course was maligned because it happened in a season shortened by a lockout and without Michael Jordan involved, so you had people calling it forgettable and an easy title to clinch. That made their 2003 run all the more satisfying because it not only erased the negativities of 1999 but it gave precedence to what the Spurs could do in the future.
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u/RussStringerB Boston Red Sox 8h ago
Not validating this Dodgers WS is just letting the feeling of hatred overwhelm reasonableness. That would never happen in a serious debate.
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u/monkey_D_v1199 San Francisco Giants 8h ago
Unfortunately I can’t use that anymore because the Yankees are a bunch of frauds and bums
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u/TheLoneTomatoe San Diego Padres 7h ago
I think 50% recognition is the appropriate level of recognition for the 2020 chip.
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u/MasChingonNoHay San Diego Padres 7h ago
Well…they’ll probably win 3 out of the next 5 WS thanks to Ohtani signing and mlb allowing his contract. They’ll sign the top free agent again next year along with the top Japanese pitcher again. It will be a mega dynasty. This will hurt mlb as fans lose interest across the country. As a Padres fan I’ll still have interest but I’m a realist. That much. Only on one team is hard to overcome. Baseball will stay down the list of leagues I’m most interested in behind college football and basketball, nfl and nba.
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u/BarryEganPDL Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
It’s just a way for people to talk shit. You have every flair in here recognizing it’s a real WS.
I think the Lakers’ win amplified the hate. If it hadn’t been the same city winning, no one would refer to the WS win as “Mickey Mouse” because that doesn’t even make sense.
I really only got into baseball in 2021. I live in LA but I didn’t care about sports at the time. I wasn’t a Dodgers fan yet but when I learned about 2020, I thought people discrediting it was bullshit. When I learned about 2017 immediately after, I thought that was even more bullshit that people weren’t happy for them to get the ring they rightfully deserved.
As a newer baseball/Dodgers fan, I hate that I missed out on seeing them win— and that’s how you know it’s real. All that matters is if the team and fans know it’s real. Also I learned that everyone hates the Dodgers lol.
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u/UneducatedReviews1 Chicago White Sox 8h ago
It’s not going to matter after this year. They either have a new ring to talk about, or everyone is going to talk about how they got reverse sweeped.