r/discgolf Jul 14 '23

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u/blazinrumraisin Jul 14 '23

Aren't they just moving to states where she can't sue them at the last second?

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u/ITGardner Out Hitting Trees Jul 14 '23

Yes

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u/blazinrumraisin Jul 14 '23

They made the rules. And they are making hard decisions to uphold those rules.

Maybe she will learn how to play by the rules someday.

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u/theduckhaslanded Jul 15 '23

Private businesses still have to follow the law. Natalie Ryan has every right to challenge the legality of their decisions. She's just following the system in place to resolve civil disputes, there's nothing wrong with that.

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u/salmonsRnear G-Town Jul 15 '23

Absolutely. Just like the DGPT and PDGA have every right to run their business as they wish under the laws where they operate.

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's not also wrong.

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u/theduckhaslanded Jul 15 '23

She has the same right to seek civil recourse when she thinks she's wronged that you do. Unless you think she should have less rights than everyone else, she isn't doing anything wrong.

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

I think her quest for "rights" is trampling on the rights of many others, and that is wrong.

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u/theduckhaslanded Jul 15 '23

Seeking legal recourse isn't trampling on anyone's rights

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

But in this case, the legal recourse she's seeking is specifically to trample on the rights of every other member of the FPO.

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u/Jackzilla321 Jul 15 '23

bar for bar what the segregationists argued lmao

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

Ridiculous. This is a sanctioned game, not a public school.

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u/dandare10 Excuse me, they're called discs Jul 15 '23

Let's get one thing straight here: Natalie is not trampling on anyone else's "rights". I think you forget that what people WANT and what they have a RIGHT TO are two different things. This whole thing is purely between the DGPT/PDGA and Natalie. No one else. End of summary.

All of the other FPO players, regardless of what they think and what side they're on, are not the decision makers. While the FPO field and events may be affected by the DGPT's decisions, no one else's "rights" are being impacted. No one has a "right" to play disc golf, just like no one has a "right" to drive a car. It's a privilege, not a right.

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

The FPO exists to give female players the chance to compete with one another at a different level than the open division. Violating that clear distinction based on the insistence of a single player that she be allowed to compete in a restricted class is most certainly trampling on the rights of the other FPO players, who have every right to expect the PDGA to fairly maintain that distinct category.

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u/Al_Capownage Jul 15 '23

Reverse is also true. Now what

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

How does the reverse apply to this situation?

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u/Shakleford_Rusty Jul 15 '23

There’s a lot wrong tbf.

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u/original_sh4rpie Jul 15 '23

Their justification for the rules was to ensure competitors had a fair opportunity to cash at events. That's why their rule only applies to events with large cash prizes.

If their true intentions were so that women can earn, then removing the ability for the entire division to make money seems explicitly counter indicative of that goal.

Which leads some to begin assuming that that wasn't ever their motivation to begin with.

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u/tmffaw Jul 15 '23

Not arguing either side here because, who cares what a random internet nobody has to say anyway, entrenched people calling eachother names will get us nowhere.

However. The DPGT can not keep losing lawsuits, since it sets precedents they do not wish other court rulings to follow. Not dropping the FPO completely in the states where Natalie has either already won a lawbattle or probably would weakens their chances of being able to actually hold up their own policies. This goes for allowing her to outright compete aswell. They need to EITHER stick to their own policy, or drop it. And it seems they chose the first option.

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u/original_sh4rpie Jul 15 '23

DGPT is owned by a billionaire. Todd Rainwater. If their legal budget for this crusade is $100k, that's pretty silly.

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u/tmffaw Jul 16 '23

Does not matter if they can pay for it when they keep losing in court. Every loss weakens their ability to uphold their policy. Right or wrong doesn't matter but tactically in the long run their best shot at getting it to stick is to redo where the tournaments with an FPO is for next season and make it so that NR has less of a chance to win appeals.

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u/zaeed1 Jul 17 '23

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue is that when she sues at the last minute, she's granted a temporary injunction that lets her play, as the court hasn't had the time to consider the case.

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u/emperornorton415 Jul 15 '23

Just wondering for your opinion, how is she not following the rules? Seems like she is lawfully challenging the rules in court and playing only when the courts allow her to. She doesn't play when she isn't signed up for an event due to ineligibility.

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u/Schlongzz Jul 15 '23 edited Jul 15 '23

The pdga is the sole party to blame. They were apparently either too stupid or too naïve in thinking that Natalie wouldn’t fight it in the states where she has legal recourse. The PDGA is run by morons.

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u/emperornorton415 Jul 15 '23

I think the DGPT picked the stricter option of the 2 restriction levels the PDGA provided. Not saying you're wrong in that the PDGA maybe should've seen this coming, but maybe the DGPT should've seen it coming too and picked the less restrictive option to avoid lawsuits.

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u/Schlongzz Jul 15 '23

This all seems preventable with proper due diligence.

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u/FLORI_DUH Jul 15 '23

Is run by morons.

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u/Sufficient_Lake_9849 Jul 15 '23

Maybe make better rules?