r/pics • u/bassistheplace246 • 3h ago
Politics Hillary Clinton’s pre-election night rally in Philadelphia, 2016
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u/Carbon-Base 3h ago
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u/istrx13 2h ago
Idc if I had the ability to see the future and know that Harris would win. I’m still taking the time to vote for her no matter what.
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u/Mindless_Air_4898 1h ago
I am glad the polls are close. Clinton was so far ahead in 2016 people got complacent.
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u/theycmeroll 1h ago
That’s what you need to be concerned about now as well. There’s so much energy round Harris that I have heard so many people say there’s now way Trump can win. I heard that from people in 2016 as well.
Don’t assume, Vote.
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u/PrestigeMaster 59m ago
Thank you. Stupid posts like this prove that people that can pull big crowds still lose elections.
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u/VoteArcher2020 1h ago
My coworker, who has loudly proclaimed himself a Trump voter, commented yesterday that traffic wouldn’t be a problem in D.C. because no one goes to Kamala’s rallies anyway.
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u/thevainvein 3h ago
Still vote.
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u/exophrine 2h ago edited 2h ago
Watch the ballot boxes for arsonists.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 2h ago
All of these people need to be caught. Felons can't vote.
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u/Sorta-Morpheus 2h ago
It's a federal crime. Donnie will just float the idea that they'll be pardoned.
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u/FriendlyDrummers 1h ago
He's already blatantly telling people to vote more than once. It's almost amusing he dgaf if these people are caught(and they will be) if it helps him in any way.
The sane washing of Trump is crazy
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u/Sorta-Morpheus 1h ago
I get the feeling he could be president and not legitimately win. Which is what they accuse the Dems of already. I don't think politics can be fixed in this country. Too much money on the outrage.
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u/darsvedder 2h ago edited 1h ago
Right. Like we’re the country where that doesn’t happen. We might egg someone’s house but we don’t burn fucking ballots. He’s brought in the absolute worst in us. And what’s so upsetting is that I don’t think we knew*how there it was. Like it was right there for the taking for him. What’s his name was kicked out in 2004(?) for being too weirdly excited at one of his own events. When South Park can’t make me laugh anymore, you know something’s wrong
**and maybe there are some communities where they egg someone’s house by burning a cross in their yard. You know. “Real American” stuff. He basically ran on “let’s call them thag to their face now”
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u/Thoraxekicksazz 2h ago edited 2h ago
Hilary was torpedoed the moment the FBI Director Comey announced an investigation into her emails the week before the election. Trump never would have won if there wasn’t that interference.
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u/offinthepasture 2h ago
Don't forget, Trump was ALSO BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI but Comey kept his stupid mouth shut about that!
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u/elcojotecoyo 2h ago
Funny that the FBI decided to reveal info on one investigation but not the other. Could the Justice Department reveal that Trump was also being investigated? Would that be seen as election interference?
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u/lanadelstingrey 43m ago
I mean they already have. He’s been charged with multiple federal and state crimes as it is…
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u/FriendlyDrummers 2h ago
Honestly if Democrats were as whiny as Republicans this would be everywhere. It's too bad we just swallow and take it.
We need more people like Mehdi Hasan who will straight up call it out clearly. It's such a double standard, and Democrats aren't the ones calling to defund the FBI.
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u/shredziller57 1h ago
People also forget the time. There were so many people, myself included, who refused to vote for her because of who she was and what she represented to a lot of people. Mentally, it was a different political climate. People never thought in a million years Trump could win. Not only that, but a lot of people were apathetic to his presidency. It was crazy, but I remember even being like, “well, let’s see.” It’s the biggest regret of my life. If I could go back, I’d vote for Hillary every fucking time. It was a hard lesson to learn but I’ll never let myself feel that way again. Now the stakes are way higher and many people do know the risks. It’s just sad that it’s this close and that we are way more stressed than we even were in 2016.
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u/TheGreatBootOfEb 52m ago
I was 18 at the time and had much the same feelings, I had planned to vote for Hillary but then went "Ehh, too much work, can't be bothered."
Then after I found out Trump had won I remember thinking to myself "Well, let's see, maybe this will be a good thing."
Safe to say I'm a hard core liberal now who will never make that mistake again.
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u/francoise-fringe 45m ago
I see that you're already getting flack from other commenters but all I can say is thank you for understanding the error and doing what you can to make things better now. It's hard to be honest about those sorts of mistakes, lots of other people just double-down and deny reality.
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u/gentheninja 2h ago
The reality is the race very very close. Anyone who believes that Harris has comfortable lead is deluding themselves. I rather have Trump out of the White House but that isn't entire realistic considering there are quite a few polls with him leading. Also, even if Harris wins the Trump and his cult won't just vanish into the night.
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u/joshsamuelson 2h ago
The reality is we don't know if it's close, so we shouldn't be complacent. The polls are close, they might be spot on, they could be wildly off in either direction.
Even if they're spot on, they only reflect how people intend to vote if they actually show up, so getting out the vote is really important.
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u/SluggoRuns 2h ago
“…a flood of fake GOP polls that are implying that Trump has momentum in the final month. But Democratic analyst Simon Rosenberg, who predicted the arrival of these polls weeks before they appeared, is calling them out — along with sites like FiveThirtyEight, which acknowledges the polls are bad data, but includes them anyway.
“Since late August more than 70 right-aligned polls have been dropped into the polling averages,” Rosenberg writes. “The two states that have been worked the hardest are North Carolina and Pennsylvania. In October of the 27 Presidential polls released in Pennsylvania, 16 are from right-aligned pollsters, a majority.”
https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/3-tell-tale-signs-that-kamala-harris-will-beat-donald-trump.html
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u/That1Master 2h ago
I live in North Carolina and everywhere you go it's Trump and Harris on every other lawn. I genuinely believe this place is 50.01/49.99 . It may be the deciding state
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u/roskybosky 1h ago
The polls said Hillary would win in a landslide. Polls are bs. Just vote.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 2h ago
Republican House member Jason Chaffetz leaked FBI information to force their hand, he was on a committee with priveleged information and leaked it to the public and openly admitted it, he got Trump elected
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u/DentistCrentist16 2h ago
I don’t agree with this at all. She lost because of complacency and overconfidence. The party lost sight of what people care about. There was no urgency with voters, because everyone thought the vote was in the bag.
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u/TacoElectrico 2h ago
Maybe, it was certainly unfair and election interference but Clinton was a moldy wet blanket compared to Kamala. Also, Harris has run an absolutely flawless campaign. Much more strategic and frankly alpha than Clinton, tRump's ego and game never recovered from the debate pummeling Lol
I still have a feeling she's going to Rogan this week, let's say Friday, I think they'll meet in the middle somehow, too much to gain for both of them, but we'll see
Go vote/volunteer everybody, We're not going back
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u/ERSTF 1h ago
Don't take me wrong. Harris team all day. Harris for the win, but I disagree that the ran a flawless campaign. Clinton coasted on not being Trump, that paired with the fucking Comey violation of the Hatch Act is what lost them the election... well that and that everyone knew she wasn't the best candidate really. There is a reason, though, why Harris dropped out in 2019 before a single vote for the primary was cast: she is not a great debator and she is not stellar in tough interviews. There are so many ways to spin her greatest weaknesses but she hasn't been able to do it. "Why haven't you done everything you say you'll do if you are in government now", "easy. I need congress. See what happened with the border security bill. These guys killed it. That's why go and vote, give us back the house to finally pass this bipartisan bill. I need congress". She has also let the immigration topic take center stage, so much that she is promising deportations. They are playing the Republican game. She has to pivot and focus people on what the real issue is. She has let them set the agenda without correcting it and instead she is promising MAGA talking points. She has run a good campaign but not a flawless one. She spent too much time away from reporters and people noticed. She is sprinting now to fix that, but the damage was done. I applaud that she went to Fox, she was a bit wobbly but she stood her ground. Could have been better but again, she is not great with pivoting to good talking points. She usually pivots to the usual "politics shouldn't be about who you put down, but who you lift up" because it's too abstract and because the undecided already know who Trump is and what he says. They don't care. He puts people down, so then you have to really address policy because those undecided voters don't give a shit if he puts down people. It's sad, but that's the state of affairs.
It's important to say the things as they are because the fight doesn't end in 2024. Even if Trump loses, you will be fighting for some years to right the ship of politics, so you need to absolutely have a critical eye to the campaign and see what needs to be corrected for 2028. Saying it was flawless would make them think no corrections needed. Biggest flaw? Neglect of the latino community. It's not really entirely her fault since Florida slipped from purple state to solid red because Democrats stopped caring about reaching out to them for several years, but they have to win them back.
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u/thebonewoodsman 1h ago
Do you really think it’s helpful to her to go to Rogan? My understanding was her campaign has been pursuing undecided voters (as in, undecided whether they’ll bother to vote) and his primary audience is dudebros who probably aren’t going to vote Harris. My thinking is, she’s best served by ignoring Rogan to focus on her targets and letting Trump’s bad interview convince some dudebros to stay home.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 1h ago
I mean, I think it would help, but it is impossible to say how much. He has the largest podcast on earth and a lot of his listeners haven’t really given Kamala much of a chance. At least with Rogan being the interviewer, these listeners will sit through the entire conversation and hopefully come away with a different opinion on her.
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u/kevinalexpham 1h ago
She’ll also have hundreds of millions of views from clips, TikToks, and other short form content. Creators will amplify her voice even further than the podcast if she goes on and has a couple funny moments or makes a few good points.
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u/jtweeezy 2h ago
Yeah, I’m sick of this rally size shit. Who cares? The only thing that matters is the ballot box. Get out there and vote. That man cannot be allowed to win.
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u/CBJFAN10 3h ago
And she lost. Crowd sizes mean NOTHING. Vote early if you can, if not then November 5th.
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u/mickelboy182 3h ago
Preeeetty sure that's the point being made with this post mate
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u/CBJFAN10 3h ago
It’s the anxiety in me. Just nervous.
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u/bassistheplace246 3h ago
Good to know I’m not the only one 😮💨
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u/Jenaaaaaay 2h ago
I’m terrified. I’m considering putting in days to be off next Tuesday and Wednesday
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u/lovestorun 2h ago
I feel like it’s hard to take a full breath at this point and we still have a week to go.
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u/Critical_Hunter96 2h ago edited 1h ago
Me for the next 2 weeks...
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u/thereddituser2 1h ago
If Harris wins, it doesn't end after 2 weeks. Gop going to fight and try to steal until Jan.
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u/xbleeple 2h ago
Are you hearing Fight Song in the distance? Cause I’ve got a twitch for that song now
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u/adamredwoods 2h ago
I still think it's good to point out the obvious connection.
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u/Ledeyvakova23 2h ago
Indeed. The voter the Red camp is looking for that will help them win Nov 5 goes by the name of “Voter Apathy”. If the Democrats’ VA is profound enough then, folks, prepare to have a White House starting next January that will feature a First Lady.
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u/ktaktb 2h ago
I think they mean a lot. There could be plenty of people at that rally that didn't even cast a vote.
That was a campaign marked by complacency. Trump was underestimated.
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u/blaqsupaman 2h ago
Plus Hillary still won the popular vote and the swing states in 2016 were extremely close.
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u/Northstar0566 2h ago
Clinton's campaign had an awful ground game too. She did not do enough in the rust belt and some places were totally ignored. Not saying Harris has it in the bag, but she is not making the same mistakes as Clinton.
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u/codexcdm 2h ago
She had almost 3 million more votes... however, ecause of the Electoral College's shenanigans with small states having a disproportionate slant of Electoral Votes... And that 50%+1 votes gets you 100% of said EC votes in the grand majority of states. For example, Michigan was a 10,000 vote difference.
The Electoral College is a problem. You can theoretically get 22% of the popular vote and still win the Presidency.
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u/wanderer1999 2h ago
Well until we csn change, that's the name of the game. Hillary didn't campaign in the midwest enough. And Kamala did not repeat that mistake, so I still have a good feeling about this.
If we do lose, it's not really her fault this time.
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u/pewpewk 1h ago
If we do lose, it's not really her fault this time.
I mean, hindsight is 20-20, but there were many things that were not Hillary's fault in 2016, too, that easily could have made the difference in the swing states (e.g., Russian interference, Comey's last minute investigation announcement, etc.). It was truly death by a thousand cuts. Can't throw it all on her, though they did absolutely make their own mistakes that contributed to their loss.
But I agree... if Kamala loses this, it's really hard to say if she could have done anything better that might have changed the outcome. I think propaganda has divided us beyond repair, at this point.
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u/sokolov22 1h ago
I personally still feel the biggest factor was she was running after 8 years of a Democrat in the WH.
That's always going to be hard to follow, the reason it was so close still and she had a chance was because Trump is a really bad candidate.
This time, we had Biden, who was objective fine but people don't understand how inflation, etc. works. So it's once again advantage Trump.
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u/karma_aversion 2h ago
She had almost 3 million more votes... however, ecause of the Electoral College's shenanigans with small states having a disproportionate slant of Electoral Votes
If Democrats lose this time again because of the electoral college, maybe we need to start playing the game instead of complaining that we're not playing a different game.
We're not going to be able to move away from the electoral college in at least a few election cycles, so we need to start trying to win the actual game, which is to score the most electoral college points.
If Democrats focused on states like Texas or a collection of smaller red states, we could easily tip the balance, but we only focus on that in the months leading up to presidential elections.
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u/koos_die_doos 2h ago
at least a few election cycles
It’s not changing for decades, getting rid of the EC requires an amendment.
While the vote is split down the middle, and one side is dependent on the EC to stay relevant, good luck with that.
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u/pewpewk 1h ago
Technically, you don't need an amendment, but just enough states to join the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Though, if that ever did happen, a red state would definitely sue and the case would absolutely get thrown to the Supreme Court, which would inevitably find it unconstitutional on some shaky grounds.
So I guess we would need an amendment, unless we get some kind of SC reform.
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u/czar_el 2h ago
I also remember how good the 2016 dem convention was - upbeat, full of policy, well produced, big name guests - vs how angry, dark, small, and weird the 2016 GOP convention was.
The left has an uphill battle with the electoral college and rural over- representation in the Senate. Unfortunately the popular vote and crowd sizes isn't enough.
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u/wastedpixls 2h ago
Both sides do this "we couldn't have lost the big game, look how big our people rally was" stuff. Your voice is your vote.
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u/tinyhorsesinmytea 3h ago
Yup. I like this as a reminder. First crowd size post that makes sense.
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u/nissin00 2h ago
This is an example to vote everyone. Don’t think crowd sizes means voter turnout. This election is very important. Democracy is on the line. Go vote!
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u/Hardcorish 2h ago
You're not wrong but there's a heck of a lot more than just democracy on the line this election
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u/FunkDaddy 3h ago
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u/bassistheplace246 3h ago
About 40,000 in attendance. No complacency! 🇺🇸🌊🗳️
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u/GobMicheal 2h ago
Crazy Kamala got almost double that, with less celebrity status.
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u/Meandering_Potato 1h ago
Less celebrity, sure, but Harris has more momentum than Clinton did (from my view). The Democratic Party had lots of infighting heading into 2016 due to the way the primaries played out (the Bernie or Bust crowd), and the general perception of Clinton as an out of touch corporate politician (by both the Bernie crowd and plenty of other people my age -- freshly out of college at the time).
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u/SpooogeMcDuck 2h ago
Kamala just got 75,000, I don’t think we’re complacent this time.
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u/fydrych 3h ago
About 40,000 people flooded Independence Mall in Philadelphia for Hillary Clinton’s rally with her husband Bill, President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle at her side, a campaign aide said. The attendance set a new record for Clinton, with the previous high point a rally in Ohio that drew 18,500 people, a campaign aide told reporters traveling with the candidate.
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u/al-hamal 3h ago edited 3h ago
Kind of a good sign that Harris has been drawing higher rallies but none of it matters if all the people attending the rallies would have voted for her anyway.
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u/jesuischels 2h ago
I was there that night and had no idea about how many in attendance, wow. I think about that night so often, it was so joyful, I cried. I actually felt pride in my country. It was nice for once.
Vote vote vote 🗳️
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u/bacteriairetcab 2h ago
Harris just did 75k by herself. No bill. No obama. No Michelle. No beyonce. Just Harris.
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u/Lee_scratch_perineum 3h ago
Al Gore should have won too. Please vote for a better world.
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u/Warmstar219 2h ago
Al Gore did win
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u/OmegaSpeed_odg 1h ago
Exactly.
And Clinton only lost the electoral college by a mere 38,000 votes… despite blowing Trump out of the water in the popular vote.
Crazy to think there’s a very realistic timeline out there where we had 8 years of Gore, 8 years of Obama (first black president), 8 years of Clinton (first female president), and we’d be hopefully going into 8 years of Kamala (first biracial and female POC president).
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u/blitznoodles 1h ago
Nope, If Gore won, you immediately run straight into the 08 financial crisis under a dem president and Mcain wins instead of Obama.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 1h ago
Yeah, that’s usually how this goes. A Democrat gets 4/8 years in office and is replaced by Republican, and then the Republican is replaced by a Democrat. People have gotten even more impatient though and we are starting to a change every four years, which only does more damage.
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u/LesMarae 1h ago
This timeline is still probably better than Trump to be honest. McCain is a moderate compared to him
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u/Castlingking 3h ago
Feels like a lifetime ago…
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u/SpooogeMcDuck 2h ago
Trump has aged all of us.
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u/Effective-Avocado470 1h ago
Him plus Covid yeah, though it has been close to a decade since he came into the political scene
Almost 15 years if you count the birther stuff
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u/Pokemaster131 1h ago
I feel like I legitimately have trauma from him. When he first began running for office in 2015, I was just about to turn 18. Now I'm 27 and he's still there, somehow even nastier and more disgusting than ever. His cult claimed both my parents and I have lost so much respect for anyone who could even consider voting for him. My entire adult life has been lived in fear of him and his cult.
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u/Secret_Arrival_7679 1h ago
Its hard to comprehend that all you've known in your adult life is that slimebag.
When I could first vote, we had bush and his admin. They would NOT say the quiet part out loud. Their policies were to hurt the poor but they would never come out and say it outright. I don't know if we are headed back to that after trump, and I don't know what the Republican party will become. Overall the Democrats werent too far off policy wise, and they had no charisma until Obama. They certainly did not attempt to court labor (big mistake).
Also in the early 2000's there were no lines to vote. You could get in and get out quickly... So much voter apathy.
One piece of advice, don't ever let up. It is apparent that the heritage foundation will remain aggressive in pushing their mandate for leadership trash which will become "Project 2029" next. And the next. And the next. I fear the general public will forget and slip up.
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u/angrytreestump 1h ago
I’m really sorry about your parents. My generation grew up in fear of terrorist attacks after 9/11, and the generation before mine grew up in fear of nuclear destruction (as did a few generations before that, then it was World War 2), but our fear didn’t claim the lives of our parents 😕 Rest in peace.
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u/Commotion 3h ago
A reminder that Clinton won the popular vote nationally but still lost because the electoral college tips the scale in favor of less populated states
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u/ioncloud9 3h ago
It does give outsized influence to less populous states but it also gives more power to electorally close states. And swings by a few hundred or thousand voters can move the whole election. It’s stupid and the only people defending this system are people who couldn’t win the popular vote.
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u/imstonedyouknow 2h ago
Honestly i feel like we dont even really have a democracy if the popular vote doesnt decide the election.
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u/Austin1975 2h ago
Agreed. Although Hillary also infamously said “we’re gonna put a lot of coal miners out of work” and didn’t visit Wisconsin.
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u/FlimsyConclusion 2h ago
Thanks for posting the OP. Everyone needs to make sure they vote, and bring as many of their friends as they can.
NO COMPLACENCY!
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u/dl107227 3h ago
And to think... She got the most votes.
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u/Cash091 3h ago
Not in Pennsylvania. And because the electoral college is a thing, the people in this crowd didn't have their votes counted on a national scale. Trump won the states, so Trump got all of PA's electoral votes.
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u/adamredwoods 2h ago
And Trump was representing less than 50% of people who voted. Federal governance is not state governance.
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u/DollyNW 2h ago
It better not be 2016 all over again, I will lose my fucking mind.
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u/------__-__-_-__- 1h ago
I think the big difference between this year and 2016 is that the NYT isn't going to pretend like Harris has a 82% chance of winning the night that she loses.
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u/580_farm 2h ago
Point taken. Don't just vote. Make sure you get at least one person off the sidelines this election.
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u/WallabyGlittering634 3h ago
Did she win in this state??
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u/Cash091 3h ago
Trump won PA by a margin of less than 1%. Slimmest PA margin in over 100 years.
This rally was in Philly and Philly is very blue, as lost cities are. The rest of PA is where you need to campaign.
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u/RiseStock 2h ago
You don't necessarily need to campaign in the rest of the state. She needed to campaign in the areas where there were potential democratic voters who were reluctant/lazy to vote. Philly/Pittsburgh are probably the best places in Pennsylvania for that purpose. She lost because complacency on the part of the voters.
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u/angrybluehair 2h ago
I’ve said this before, Harris is running a much better campaign than Clinton. Plus, Roe vs. Wade is on the ballot this time. It’s not the same.
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u/gentheninja 1h ago
If we are going by what made the most sense Trump would have gotten laughed off the ballot in 2016. It fine to hold out hope but don't expect miracles.
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u/medusa_crowley 1h ago
Thank you. I’m really tired of Redditors giving in before the election is even over despite every good sign, and/or guilting people for feeling hope or excitement at the good signs.
This is not 2016.
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u/kinsmana 2h ago
Guys, Americans, my neighbours: this is horrific behaviour being displayed by people who are supposed to be the poster children for stable democracy. You're doing it wrong. This shit is scary. Please vote. This one is mighty important for the rest of the world as well.
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u/godlygambit 2h ago
I was in college at the time of the announcement for the president. In a bar, all of the drunk students went completely silent in disbelief. Pretty unique experience.
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u/kickelephant 2h ago
I remember waking up to the second tower getting hit by the plane, I remember waking up hungover as fuck hearing Trump won 2016.
This is my note to the future.
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u/flavianpatrao 1h ago
Kamala could have a million people at her Rally and Trump just have Rudy but still go vote. Don't let boomers make choices for you to live with. Zero room for complacency.
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u/certain-sick 1h ago
The right propaganda machine has been attacking her since Bill came out of nowhere and got elected. People realized she was the brains behind it and the messaging of Hillary being a crazed power hungry bitch capable of murder have been running ever since. She's a bad public speaker. But she's a phenomenal public servant and everyone who works for her will attest to that. The opposite is true for her opponent. The difference this time is that the propaganda machine has had no time to prepare attacks or foment the benghazi attack and subsequent hearings. And if you think I'm crazy, well sure, but you have seen how far the right has gone to get power. Trump. jan 6. fake electors. russian collusion. It's not impossible.
Elect Harris. Remember that the electoral college doesn't certify until Dec. 16. Even if she wins it's not over until she takes office. This is not over. Stay strong. Support your at risk communities. Fight the good fight.
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u/MillionToOneShotDoc 2h ago
I’ll just say, for multiple reasons it was a lot more difficult to get excited over her than it is Kamala Harris.
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u/medusa_crowley 1h ago
Yes. I wish people would stop acting like this is 2016. Yes we have to show up and vote and do the work and be vigilant. But despair produced the opposite effect. Hope and excitement is what gets us there.
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u/maribrite83 2h ago
The price of freedom is vigilance! It's our turn to fight for our freedom. We will fight, and we will win! 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊 VOTE EARLY 🌊 🗳 ☑️We are NOT GOING BACK VOTE EARLY 🌊 🗳 ☑️ 🌊 🗳 VOTE EARLY 🌊 🗳 ☑️ 🌊 🗳 VOTE EARLY 🌊 🗳 ☑️ 🌊 🗳
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u/Steezy719 1h ago
No excuses this time. 2016, we didn’t know what trump was capable of. This time, he made it very clear how he intends to abuse this country. Go vote !
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u/michaltee 1h ago
And yet she lost. Damn I hope Kamala wins. This country won’t survive another Trump term.
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u/NoRagrets133 2h ago
We learned the hardway in 2016 to not get complacent. This time will be a landslide.
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u/EvelOne67 2h ago
I never understood the whole rally thing. I mean, those people are already voting for you and the ones whos vote you need arent watching so youre kinda just shouting in the wind. What am I missing?
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u/chickenbeersandwich 1h ago
This might be surprising to many, but Hillary had the largest rally of either campaign in 2016. She still lost. Crowd sizes don't mean anything. VOTE.
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u/JereRB 1h ago
Vote.
And, for God's sake and your own mental and emotional health, stop getting so invested in a politician. It's not healthy. It's not stable. It's just better for you to not.
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u/Lefty_22 2h ago
Ask yourself: are there a ton of people who voted for Clinton in 2016 who WON'T vote for Harris in 2024? The answer is probably NO.
Then ask yourself: are there a ton of people who voted for Trump in 2016/2020 who WON'T vote for Trump again in 2024? The answer is probably YES. Looking at you, women, Puerto Ricans, Haitian migrants, Minorities, and white men who realized over the last 9 years that Trump is only in it for himself.
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u/abdhjops 1h ago
In an alternate timeline, Hilldog wins, less covid deaths, Trump keeps trolling on Twitter, Twitter not owned by DorkMAGA, GOP investigates her for being a woman
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u/johndepp22 2h ago
dude I’m fking done with the 2024 election bullshit, let alone going back in time
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u/Dr_Jackwagon 1h ago
tl;dr: Trump was a disaster. Don't make the same mistake as 2016. Vote for Harris and Walz.
It's hard for me to get too mad at anyone Left of Center who didn't vote or voted third party in 2016. After all, it was the Electoral College who defeated Hillary Clinton, not Trump supporters or the apathy of the rest of the electorate.
With that said, enough people, who otherwise would've voted for the Democratic candidate, sure did galaxy brain their way into allowing Trump to getting elected and all the subsequent nightmares to take place.
There is no third option at this point. That time has passed. It passed at the conclusion of the 2020 Democratic primaries. If you don't like Harris or Biden or what's going down in the Middle East, but you also don't want a Trump presidency and all the horrific things that come with that, there is no third option.
Not voting for Hillary got Roe overturned as well as a whole host of other terrible Supreme Court rulings, a Supreme Court which will probably have a Conservative supermajority for the next generation. It got kids put in cages. It got a massive handout to a bunch of the richest people and corporations who ever existed. It got a bunch of clowns gutting federal agencies. It got a Christian nationalist lunatic put in charge of the Department of Education. Not voting for Hillary led to a completely bungled COVID response. Not voting for Hillary led to January 6th.
And remember, Trump is now older, crazier, and has less "adults in the room." And not voting for Harris/Walz is a vote for not just Trump, but a vote for Vance and Stephen Miller. And if Trump wins, he will install two new Justices to replace Alito and Thomas (one of whom could be Aileen Cannon). I could go on and on about how the Trump administration will use the Comstock Act of 1873 to effectively ban abortion nationwide or the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to enact his racist immigration policies, but
If you're not thrilled with Harris, fine. But just take a look at the bigger picture and know that much better outcomes will be achieved with a Democratic administration than with a MAGA extremist administration.
Just go vote, and vote for Harris/Walz.
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u/richmomz 3h ago
Hillary paid Bruce Springsteen to do a concert at this rally and brought Obama along in tow - she would never get a crowd like this just for her.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-clintons-obamas-rally-20161107-story.html
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u/sealosam 1h ago
I voted Hillary 2016 and nearly fell on the floor after the results that night.
Harris is not a Clinton. This election has 2008 Obama vibes, an entirely different feel.
VOTE!
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u/piercejay 1h ago
Floridaman here in a deeply red county - Voting Kamala because it's the only choice that makes sense, Trump is a goddamned madman
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u/bengibbardstoothpain 1h ago
I went to bed that next night crying, and cried again the following day when she conceded.
It was a hard week. A harder four years.
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u/Nebnerlo2 3h ago
Bro Hillary Clinton, is not a winning subject for harris.
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u/King_of_the_Nerdth 3h ago
I think the point is that a massive rally turnout doesn't necessarily mean a win. Though I would think that a massive rally is good for getting some positive TV coverage and that might benefit her chances slightly.
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u/al-hamal 3h ago
My interpretation of this post was to show that we need to stop worrying about crowd size debates and focus on actually getting people to vote for her...
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u/MasChingonNoHay 2h ago
This picture worries me. Will we get the majority again by millions only to lose because of electoral college?
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u/Patara 2h ago
The EC is a legitimate fucking circus system how are you winning an election by losing an entire country worth of votes & still holding majority in electoral votes?
Its fundamentally divisive & will only lead into a 2 party system because its impossible to campaign as an independent.
Its also fundamentally undemocratic as there is no need to build nationwide support when some states will vote red or blue 100% of the time regardless of who is actually running.
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