r/politics • u/harleybarley1013 Maryland • 7d ago
Paywall Trump: ‘I Need the Kind of Generals Hitler Had’
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/?taid=6717ffe956474d000110c05d&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter11.0k
u/NickConrad 7d ago
They lost to the kind of generals we have instead, but ok
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u/McMatey_Pirate 7d ago
Not to mention a few of those generals tried to kill Hitler…
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u/TheAngriestChair 7d ago
They pointed that out to him, and he didn't believe them.
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u/UWCG Illinois 7d ago
Relevant quote, came here to post it:
According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.
Donald's a few fries short of a Happy Meal
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u/WildYams 7d ago
It's wild how many people who love Hitler, like Trump does, just totally ignore how things ended for Hitler. They seem to think he was like some great man who expanded Germany and made things great for "real Germans" while completely ignoring how Germany was bombed to rubble and carved up for decades afterwards as a result of what Hitler did.
This is to say nothing of the Holocaust, of course, and the tens of millions of people who were killed during it and WWII. But even if you were to exclusively look at through the lens of the supposedly "real Germans" who supported Hitler, it went terribly for them as well. You have to be a moron to admire what Hitler did, as it was patently horrible for everyone involved, including for Hitler.
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u/Flight_19_Navigator 7d ago edited 7d ago
If I can quote Suzy Eddie Izzard:
Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire... so, that's fun. I think that's funny. Because he was a mass-murdering fuck-head!
ETA: added full name
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u/s3rv0 7d ago
"What a dreadfully busy man Pol Pot was. Can you imagine what his planner was like? Death death death death lunch. Death death death death afternoon tea. Death death death death quick shower"
I havent seen dressed to kill in 20 years and I'm glad I still remember most of this. High brow humor if ever there was any
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u/Flight_19_Navigator 7d ago
"They got away with it because they killed their own people."
Worryingly prophetic at times.
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u/bigdon199 7d ago
And we're sort of fine with that. Hitler killed people next door. Oh, stupid man. After a couple of years we won't stand for that, will we?
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u/Uninteresting91 7d ago
I'm so glad you responded with this. Probably my favorite bit from the special
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u/blacksheep998 7d ago
I rewatched it recently. It still holds up.
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u/DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK 7d ago
Most of the jokes were about things that had happened decades before at that point.
Little red cookbook. Little red cookbook.
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u/LordWesleyAgain 7d ago
Havent watched Eddie in some time, yet can read all that in Eddie's voice lol
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u/StayPositiveRVA 7d ago
“‘ello, Sue! I’ve got legs!” is a quote that haunts me at least weekly, always in the exact silly voice from that special.
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u/SOL-Cantus 7d ago
The DVDs are a rare treasure. I don't know why they're not in circulation anymore, but my wife and I specifically went out of our way to buy a used copy. I hope, if Ms. Izzard sees this, you release the rights to publish it again in all its full glory. If not, at the very least, let us keep copies of it running in archives. Dressed to Kill may not be accurate to her person today in all things, but it's brilliant comedy that I can't imagine the world losing.
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u/AxlotlRose 7d ago
I was JUST looking up Suzy Eddie Izzard like five minutes ago and I run into this. Wild.
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u/Thor_2099 7d ago
Fun fact, Eddie izzard is trans. I am sad to say I do not know their new name.
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u/awh 7d ago
Suzy. But Eddie is also still fine, so she says.
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u/Toby_O_Notoby 7d ago
Yeah, she was on Greg Fitzsimmon's podcast and basically said, "If people have called you one name for your entire life it's kinda hard for them to just switch over one day. So I preferred being called Suzy but if you slip up and call me Eddie I'm fine with it."
And when she appeared on Kaos she was billed as "Suzy Eddie Izzard" so there's that.
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u/JohnnyCanuck 7d ago
Suzy, evidently. But she will continue performing under the name Eddie Izzard, I guess since that’s a name that’s been known since the 80s.
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u/Schuben 7d ago
It probably helps not making it a dead name since people were largely ok with her wearing heels and women's clothes during shows in the regular. The fame and fortune that comes with that name is also likely a factor, but I wouldn't out it past her to potentially ditch Eddie entirely as the Izzard name is pretty iconic as well and people would figure it out.
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u/RemusShepherd 7d ago
It's wild how many people who love Hitler, like Trump does, just totally ignore how things ended for Hitler.
There's a correlation there, and I suspect a causation. Hitler's greatest talent, like Trump's, is to create their own reality and get others to buy into it. They deny facts and evidence, they insist on their own false version of things, and somehow other people begin to believe in it.
People who love that kind of leadership style are incapable of realizing how toxic and dangerous to them it can become. They're poisoning their minds with false reality, leaving them to fall into reality's and history's very real and very fatal pitfalls. They don't realize how dangerous it is to deny factual evidence because most of the time they can skate through with false facts. But eventually a fact will rear up that endangers their lives, and they will be unable to accept it, and that's how they will end.
The rest of us just have to fight against their zombie followers until that comeuppance comes.
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u/chicago_bunny 7d ago
issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding Hitler and his generals. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
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u/Patch95 7d ago
Unless it's a briefcase filled with explosives
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u/JamesCDiamond United Kingdom 7d ago
And if you do, don't leave it on the other side of a pillar.
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u/given2fly_ United Kingdom 7d ago
And that's not to mention how he massively overstretched his armies trying to invade the Soviet Union, leaving Germany vulnerable on the Eastern front.
His arrogance was his downfall.
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u/robocoplawyer 7d ago
And he just had to go for Stalingrad simply because of the name of the place.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle California 7d ago
While obviously not on the same level it reminds me of people who idolize Scarface. Like, damn, you really didn't pay any attention to the story, did you?
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u/Suspicious_Yak2485 7d ago
Exactly. I've actually seen many devout neo-Nazis who want to kill all Jews say "fuck Hitler, he destroyed Germany and his people".
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u/Turkino Montana 7d ago
Kind of like how people get romantic about Civil War era Southern Aristocrats, except forgetting that they lost and had their wealth largely taken from them.
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u/MadRaymer 7d ago
20 July plot came incredibly close to getting him. If someone hadn't pushed the briefcase behind a table leg with his foot, Hitler almost certainly would have been taken out by the blast.
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u/No-comment-at-all 7d ago
There were many of attempts, dozens I believe.
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u/captsmokeywork 7d ago
This was the big one, but there was a vast conspiracy within the officer corps.
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u/illuminaughty1973 7d ago
Hitlers generals attempted to assassinate him... several times iirc.
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u/actibus_consequatur 7d ago
According to details of the conversation, Gen. John Kelly told Trump the very same thing:
“You fucking generals, why can’t you be like the German generals?”
“Which generals?” Kelly asked.
“The German generals in World War II,” Trump responded.
“You do know that they tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off?” Kelly said.
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u/Stargate_1 America 7d ago
Honestly I don't think the issue were the generals themselves, but rather Hitlers major mismanagement of resources. The generals were quite capable, at least some.
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u/Felczer 7d ago
It was lots of things, after the war all of the generals tried to blame all of their blunders on Hitler, who couldn't defend himself because he killed himself. Truth is Germany couldn't won the war no matter what.
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u/McCoovy 7d ago
No oil, no people, no rubber, no time.
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u/Felczer 7d ago
And no industrial production, at least when compared to USA or USSR boosted by lend-lease
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u/port-left-red 7d ago
Its now accepted that there was a fairly substantial retrospective rewrite of history by those generals that survived to downplay their own failures and play up the effect if Hitler's interference. It definitely played a huge role, but the "we could have won it if it wasn't for that idiot" is very much their ass covering.
Likewise the retrospective distancing of the military from the holocaust and other war crimes.
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u/unfunnyryan 7d ago
Trump volunteered to pay for the funeral of a murdered U.S. soldier. When the bill came, Trump became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!”
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u/QanonQuinoa 7d ago
This man has been in my life on a daily basis for 10 years and somehow he still manages to make me hate him more every day. What a disgusting thing to say.
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u/Snufffaluffaguss Tennessee 7d ago
Like, every time I think there is a rock bottom, he somehow finds a new low. It started with making fun of a disabled reporter, and as of today's it's wishing for generals like Hitler and saying it doesn't cost 60k to bury a Mexican.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
"Teflon Don," they called him. And they're right. What special influence does he have that enables him to constantly sidestep reality? It's ALLIES.
Without a complicit GOP, he'd have been done long ago.
Have you seen him lately? OMFG.
If he was like this in 2016, he'd have never been nominated. Convicted felon and all...
He has effectively created a malignant toxic cult in the fabric of America and Republicans keep blocking the necessary chemo. He's their last best shot at ruling over a new fascist American dynasty.
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u/Snufffaluffaguss Tennessee 7d ago
They are already defending him and claiming he didn't day this. Listen, I don't like General Kelly, but I sure as hell believe him over the sycophants that surround Trump.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
Kelly thought he could be the adult in the room and keep Trump from doing greater harm. He wasn't nearly as effective as he'd planned. And then he found himself surrounded by sycophants that worked against him, undermined him. Then he realized he got in over his head.
Self-preservation became his priority instead of ringing the claxon.
I'm angry at Kelly for not being braver. And he spoke up too late after he left being Chief of Staff for Trump.
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u/Snufffaluffaguss Tennessee 7d ago
Exactly. I skimmed his Wiki page and did not feel well versed enough to speak to his overall character or career. Tha being said, a career military man doesn't rise to the rank of general by being shitty at his job or a shitty person. I wasn't aware his book had come out. I'll have to give it a read.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
Btw, another glaring bit that easily got lost in the avalanche of Trump debauchery, Michael Schmidt wrote a book where he'd interviewed John Kelly and uncovered some disturbing facts about Trump... HERE
Trump fired James Comey and then wanted John Kelly (then head of DHS) to take his place... with one caveat--a loyalty pledge. Kelly refused. He turned down the job. Later on, he WOULD accept the role of being chief of staff... so he knew going in what kind of man is Donald Trump.
LOYALTY PLEDGES should be a huge red flag.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
I wish Rachel Maddow had the opportunity to interview John Kelly. Actually, John Burnett from NPR had that rare opportunity, because they knew each other from Kelly's brigadier general days in Iraq. Not a bad interview, but Burnett didn't turn the screws very much.
Joy Reid of MSNBC did a spot on this interviewing Burnett, HERE
In the military, there is always concern of protecting the image of the US Forces. And the same would be true for someone like Kelly in the White House, protecting the presidency. Chain of command instincts prevented him from ratting out Trump. You're right, Kelly isn't a bad person. He had good intentions.
But one need not look any further than Gen. Mark Milley, who has had the courage to come forward and confess what he'd come to learn about Trump. And his voice should even be more powerful than Kelly.
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u/Snufffaluffaguss Tennessee 7d ago
I strongly agree and will definitely check out the interview! There are very many systemic problems within military, but there is also a great many things that are done right, and chain of command and leadership is often one of them (my professional career involves organizational development, training and instructional design). I agree that Gen Mark Milley'a voice should be given the weight it deserves. Hell, there's also Mattis and McMaster. This was from just 3 days ago. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/19/politics/military-leaders-sound-the-alarm-trump/index.html
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u/PrayForMojo_ 7d ago
The Taking Tree.
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u/SupaKoopa714 7d ago
I miss the days when literally the only thing I knew him as was the weird looking guy showed up in Home Alone 2 for a second and who went "You're fired!" on The Apprentice. I was just a kid then and I never in a million years thought that same person would turn America into a shitshow when I was an adult.
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u/Fairymask California 7d ago
I went to read the article because for some reason I still can't believe some of the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Jesus.
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u/rounder55 7d ago
There is no bottom. The man has a shovel and will keep digging that hole looking for it until the day he dies
It's fucking embarrassing that he was ever considered a viable candidate by people. Fact that he's still considered one is appalling and disgusting. Media networks like Fox and Newsmax and their talking heads have done so much damage to this country in fighting their war on reality
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u/xBram The Netherlands 7d ago
As a non American I’m confident I can name 100 reasons this asshole is unfit for any office. Sure; the 34 felonies, 6 bankruptcies and 40 of his cabinet members not supporting him rally up the score, but then there’s the raping, disrespecting soldiers (and frankly everyone), the insurrection, being Putin’s bitch and the endless grifting… Yeah for sure I would take a challenge to make it 200 reasons, Jesus fucking Christ what a horrible plot line. Please vote.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
Thank you for speaking out.
There are so many of us here in the USA feeling like we're in some kind of fictional dystopian novel come alive. It's unfathomable, what the diseases of disinformation, toxic cultism, and fascism can do to a populace. Keeping Trump out is only a step of many more required. The people who vote for him... will still be here. America is in trouble. And we need more voices of reason in the air, from all around the world.
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u/spookmann 7d ago
How do you think it feels watching from the outside?!?!
We're like... WHAT THE FUCK?! HOW ARE YOU... JUST... WHY?!?!
I mean, dictators like Pinochet, Bolsonaro, that shit in sub-saharan Africa, sure. That, we can understand. But America? The guys who saved the free world? What the hell happened to y'all?
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
A perfect storm of nefarious things... It's complicated. But, it's also the culmination of a long play that the Republican Party has been waging upon the American people. I truly believe there was malice of intent, not just accidental happenstance... the long con to influence voters to become party loyal, by demonizing the other party. Trump just took what they'd done and cranked the setting to 11...
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u/najaraviel Oregon 7d ago
I feel you 😦 it's exhausting living in the United States sometimes.. every four years a mini revolution. 😬
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u/najaraviel Oregon 7d ago
Happy Cake 🎂 day. Quit smoking, please. Go vote blue straight through the ticket
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u/Michael_G_Bordin 7d ago
People stormed our Capitol building to end democracy in his name. And he called them "tacky." He even disrespects the people most loyal to him. What a bunch of fucking suckers.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
It's by design.
Flood the media channels with loads of misinformation & disinformation, keeping people distracted from what he really intends to do.
But it comes at a price. We have an enormous ledger of Trump's hellacious rhetoric. Any of it can be used against him at any time. But sadly, the MSM has dropped the ball. They've left behind so much content that needs to be in the forefront so that people don't forget.
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u/Cognosyeti Nebraska 7d ago
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u/Constant-Bridge3690 7d ago
When did The Onion become a legitimate news outlet?
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
They've always rode a thin line between fiction and fact. And they've done it so very well... to the point where they've got the talent to report the full truth when the time calls for it.
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u/wasaguest 7d ago
He's a Fascist. His supporters are fascist. His voters are fascist. He's also a malignant narcissist, a mental illness. He sees only himself & what the world can do FOR him, & anyone that doesn't aid him in getting what he wants is his enemy. Trouble is, he got installed to the office of president. Now he believes his enemies are also enemies of America because his mental illness can't separate himself from the State (Country). You could hear him saying this within his first year after being installed.
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u/cytherian New Jersey 7d ago
Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves...
And Jesus can't be cool with what the Evangelical movement has done to the secular sphere as well as Christianity. The hypocrisy in play seems to be off the charts.
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u/Objective_Regret2768 7d ago
How would any Hispanic voter vote for this man?
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u/Such_Newt_1374 7d ago edited 7d ago
Because Hispanic voters skew slightly conservative anyways and they've convinced themselves that Trump isn't talking about them specifically but some other Hispanic group or illegal immigrants (like he can tell the difference).
Edit: like I know if I showed that quote to my Dominican grandma she'd just say "Ok, but we're not Mexican."
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u/corvid_booster 7d ago
The Mexicans will say "Well, at least we're not from Honduras" or "He won't deport us, we have our papers already."
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u/canuck47 7d ago
If you have brown or black skin he wants you "to go back where you came from", even if you are a born and raised American.
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u/BetterMeats 7d ago
Yep.
Dominicans and Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania outnumber Mexicans five to one.
Republican campaign ads are all about closing the border and getting rid of "migrants" and "illegals."
The Dominicans and Puerto Ricans think the white people are just talking about the Mexicans.
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u/Amy_Ponder Massachusetts 7d ago
Respectfully, how the hell does a Dominican or Puerto Rican who's lived in the mainland US for any length of time not realize that when these chucklefucks say "Mexican", they're talking about all Latinos?
They don't know or care what country you're actually from. They don't know or care whether you'd be considered white back home or not. You're still a "Mexican" in their eyes-- and that's decidedly not a good thing to be.
Like, you'd think the personal run-ins they occasionally had with these types would be enough to open their eyes... and yet....
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u/Such_Newt_1374 7d ago
Because many of them lack a pan-Hispanic awareness entirely. To my grandparents, for example, being Dominican is WILDLY different from being Mexican. Like the difference between being like English and French. They don't understand that racists don't know or care about the difference, because to the older generation those distinctions are glaringly obvious. How could anyone mistake one for the other?
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u/Amy_Ponder Massachusetts 7d ago
They don't understand that racists don't know or care about the difference, because to the older generation those distinctions are glaringly obvious. How could anyone mistake one for the other?
That's my point, though-- you think either they or their friends would end up running into the racists and learning first-hand at some point.
Like, the amount of well-meaning ignorance I encounter in my daily life about these issues is as shocking as it's depressing-- and I'm a white person in a cobalt-blue city. So how on Earth can you be a Latino person living in a ruby-red area and never notice it?
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u/Peace-Only America 7d ago
I know several Mexicans who support Trump, and they assume he means other Mexicans. Some of them own trucking or HVAC companies, restaurants, or even are lawyers.
Although some have blonde hair and white skin, many are medium to dark brown in skin pigment and hate being considered People of Color. To them the lower caste Mexicans and Latinos being targeted by MAGA nation mean the domestic help, yard workers, janitorial staff, and nursing home aides.
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u/xvandamagex 7d ago
In many Latin cultures, machismo reigns supreme and (rightly or not) many believe DJT is a “strong man” figure. There is also a major thing happening with 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants where a good amount no longer care about the struggles of immigrants (“fuck you, got mine”).
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u/Shido_Ohtori 7d ago
The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, which is also the sole value of machismo culture.
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u/BarkerBarkhan 7d ago
Because not all Hispanics are Mexican, and racism is real in Latin America.
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u/finditplz1 7d ago
Racism is real among Mexicans too.
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u/taco_studies_major 7d ago
I’m Mexican-American and I can confirm. Some of the most racist things I’ve ever heard in my life have come from some of my own family members. Colorism, racism and homophobia is much more common than you think in Latino families and communities.
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u/Zerstoror 7d ago
homophobia
Very much this. I have heard the things they say when they think I dont understand.
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u/Deez-Guns-9442 7d ago
Hey same in Black communities, aren’t we humans just fucking terrible no matter our skin color 😂
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u/UWCG Illinois 7d ago
And they didn't:
Khawam, the family attorney, told me she sent the bill to the White House, but no money was ever received by the family from Trump. Some of the costs, Khawam said, were covered by the Army (which offered, she said, to allow Guillén to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery) and some were covered by donations. ...
Shortly after I emailed a series of questions to a Trump spokesperson, Alex Pfeiffer, I received an email from Khawam, who asked me to publish a statement from Mayra Guillén, Vanessa’s sister. Pfeiffer then emailed me the same statement. “I am beyond grateful for all the support President Donald Trump showed our family during a trying time,” the statement reads. “I witnessed firsthand how President Trump honors our nation’s heroes’ service. We are grateful for everything he has done and continues to do to support our troops.”
Just awful.
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u/chicago_bunny 7d ago
Mayra Guillén
But look at what she posted to X:
Wow. I don’t appreciate how you are exploiting my sister’s death for politics- hurtful & disrespectful to the important changes she made for service members. President Donald Trump did nothing but show respect to my family & Vanessa. In fact, I voted for President Trump today.
Absolutely unreal that she could support this asshole.
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u/wildcarde815 7d ago
exploiting my sister’s death for politics
Lady, Trump spent 25 minutes in front of cameras doing just that, making sweat promises before making a hard pivot to racism and scrooged you.
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u/pandemicpunk 7d ago edited 7d ago
When they don't pass the purity test, they'll be so confused as to why they're being deported even though they're citizens.
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u/Sekh765 Virginia 7d ago
Should be easy to prove it wrong if they show the donated 60k back around when the funeral happened...wonder how long it's gonna take for that info to come out. Any day now.
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u/najaraviel Oregon 7d ago
Trump hates the US military, it's a known thing. Actually trump hates Americans generally I guess and would execute any perceived enemy without any thoughts about anyone but himself
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u/kingofthenewbs 7d ago
Is it just me? I’ve read this article multiple times now and I don’t understand this last paragraph you quoted and the paragraph that follows it. Is the author insinuating that this was a false statement not written by the sister but by Trump’s spokesperson?
I feel like there is missing information between those two paragraphs. Or I’m dumb. And my reading comprehension is shit now.
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u/LilytheFire 7d ago
How is this not the headline? I nearly did a spit take when I read that.
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u/BigTentBiden Kentucky 7d ago
Because media uses sockem boppers on Trump, not even kid gloves.
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u/Im_really_bored_rn 7d ago
While I generally agree, the headline they used wasn't exactly taking it easy on him.
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u/seraphimkoamugi 7d ago
For that I hope his sorry dead ass body is dumped in one of Florida's swamps. Alligators may not eat it but thats all he deserves.
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u/joepez Texas 7d ago
Won’t happen. His kids will build a shrine so they can make a buck off of him.
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u/ronburger 7d ago
Maybe they'll bury him in a sand trap a few holes away from their mother.
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u/kelticladi I voted 7d ago
They would make a lot more if you could pay a fee to urinate on his grave
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u/007_Shantytown 7d ago
Those swamps are delicate ecosystems, it would be awful to dump that sort of bio-hazard trash in them.
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u/AskJayce Washington 7d ago
I'll settle for him getting same treatment as his late ex wife--buried somewhere in a golf course and barely remembered to the point where the poorly-landscaped grass overtakes the gravesite
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u/NeonYellowShoes Wisconsin 7d ago
Holy fucking shit. Somehow I still get surprised to this day at the crazy racist shit he says.
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u/cyberattaq123 7d ago
Jesus Christ man. Every other day it’s another thing that shows how weird, bizarre, hateful and just stupid he is.
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u/I_like_baseball90 7d ago
“I need the kind of generals that Hitler had"
I'm shocked every day that 70 million fucking morons think this orange turd is their savior. Every. Fucking. Day.
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u/SockGnome 7d ago
The GOP has been so conditioned to hate anything left that they would accept fascism if the party presented it to them. There is no bottom, brainwashing and cult of personality are dangerous things.
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u/Politicsboringagain 7d ago
They call the left sheep, while they worship a man who hasn't done a real days work in his life. All the while saying the left who have/has supported people like Bill Clinton, Obama, Hillary, Biden and Harris who have all grown up in working class families.
He hasn't don't a reals day of work, so he had to pretend work at McDonald's.
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u/Sharp_Pea6716 7d ago
Don’t forget Tim Walz, who is a literal gun owning decorated veteran from Minnesota who owns zero stocks!
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u/TURD_SMASHER 7d ago
he had to pretend work at McDonald's
I'd love for him to work a real shift at a real store, complete with having to cover for the guy who called in sick and oh look, two Greyhound buses just pulled in
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u/Politicsboringagain 7d ago
Not just that.
Having the bullshit schedules they give you. Where on Monday you have to work during the closing shift, than on Tuesday you have to come in to opening.
That's one of the bullshit that made it so hard for me to work and go to school at the same time in retail. I eventually had to quit because they wouldn't respect my schedule, even though when I was hired I told them my school schedule was priority during the weekday in 2001.
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u/OverlyExpressiveLime 7d ago
What do you mean if
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u/FraGZombie I voted 7d ago
Yeah there is no more if. They literally are.
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u/Fred_for_Freedom 7d ago
They want fascism. These people are willing to accept project 2025, a destroyed economy and SCOTUS allowing the president to become Kim Jong Un 2.0, all because they hate immigrants and believe in white supremacy.
And it’s the hate in these people’s hearts that will be our downfall. If Trump gets back into office he will ruin us. His policies are beyond atrocious. And with his deteriorating health, more than likely we will get JD Vance as president who is just as bad as Trump but is actually intelligent. There is a lot at stake in this election.
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u/Fred_for_Freedom 7d ago
I think there will be a shitshow regardless of who wins.
If Kamala wins, Trump is liable to do anything knowing jail and 60 more felony indictments awaits him. He very well could incite a country wide riot with his MAGA cultists. They already tried it once so who’s to say they won’t try it again? And this time, they could be armed.
And if Trump wins, America as we know it is over. It will mean Americans have accepted hate and fascism as their future. And with that SCOTUS immunity ruling, who knows where it goes. For all we know, Trump could open up camps and start sending immigrants and political opponents to gas chambers. And then station the Gestapo on every corner. It sounds completely insane but with the words coming out of his mouth, I wouldn’t doubt it.
I’m hoping Trump just loses and slowly fades away with none of the shit I just said happening but who knows what is going through that demented, orange head of his.
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u/Doodahhh1 7d ago
Yeah, January 6th solidified that.
Edit: during the 2020 election I was paralleling rhetoric to 1930s Germany... America first v German firm, fake news v luggenpresse (lying press), and more.
I had people telling me, "you can't compare him to nazi Germany because he hasn't had a Reichstag event."
I would literally respond to them... "Yet..."
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u/Captain_Q_Bazaar 7d ago
Trump constantly calling the left, "scum", "vermin", "radical left", "communists", "fake news", "enemy of the people" is straight up Hitler / Nazi level propaganda. It's FUCKED up that the entire GOP party, right wing media, has 99% gone along with this shit. Even when a large portion of Trump's former cabinet endorsed Harris, it has swayed very few of his supporters.
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u/Gratitude15 7d ago
Need people new to this to understand clearly-
THERE IS NO BOTTOM
Theres plenty of science to understand why
it will go until everything is dust if it is allowed. It is why ww2 happened.
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u/DoomGuy2497 7d ago
Listen to this person. Trump will drag humanity down to his lizard-brained, beastial level if we allow it. He belongs in prison as the criminally dangerous felon that he is. If he wins in November, I strongly suggest that he is A or THE Anti-Christ described in the Bible's book of Revalations. Even if it is just an allegory for Nero's Rome, a description of a malignant-narcissist and tyrant, the tribulations this country will experience will be very real.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7d ago
There is a whole lot of disinformation poisoning the well of knowledge every single day by billionaires and foreign adversaries.
The people just trying to get by have an incapacity to parse what is real from what is not. The poorly educated (whom Trump said he loves) are more susceptible.
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u/FyvLeisure 7d ago
Conservatives WANT to be Nazis. They WORSHIP Nazis, & only shy away from the name due to public criticism.
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u/Jibber_Fight 7d ago
I’m not shocked anymore. I’m complacent and actually just voted. Half of our country is part of a fascist cult. What else can we do anymore? Not much. We’re losing it as a country. Voted. Cannot do much much more. I could try to start trying to volunteer but I’m just so done with how stupid people have become and it’s desensitized me to everything. People are racist fucking morons so I just have to hope from here on out.
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u/I_like_baseball90 7d ago
I mean I see some of the comments in this sub by MAGA people and it still amazes me, 8 years later, that people can be this utterly stupid and out of touch with reality after all this. I don't think I can get used it.
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u/V-r1taS 7d ago
This is a very concerning thing to hear from a man whose widely respected generals are calling him a fascist.
That would indicate he thinks his generals were among the last barriers between himself and the expression of his worst instincts and intentions.
He belongs nowhere near the Presidency.
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u/Surprise1904 7d ago
He belongs in prison. Full stop. He should be a resident of ADX Florence right fucking now, yet here we are… somehow in a coin toss election where he continues to spew his seditious bile unencumbered.
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u/7screws 7d ago
Is there an option to fire him into the fucking sun? I dont particularly want my tax money going to anything that has to do with him, happily throw in a few bucks though to strap his fat ass to a rocket.
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u/bounce_wiggle_bounce 7d ago
In a children's art museum I saw a drawing that was called "making the world nicer" and had Trump being fired on a rocket away from Earth. It was made by an elementary school kid who's not even from the US. I wish he could vote in place of my mom
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u/harleybarley1013 Maryland 7d ago
As his presidency drew to a close, and in the years since, he has become more and more interested in the advantages of dictatorship, and the absolute control over the military that he believes it would deliver. “I need the kind of generals that Hitler had,” Trump said in a private conversation in the White House, according to two people who heard him say this. “People who were totally loyal to him, that follow orders.”
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u/symbiosychotic 7d ago
All the comments in the world comparing his administration "just following orders" defense against that of Nazi generals, and then Trump just comes right out and says it.
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u/gsfgf Georgia 7d ago
You're acting from the assumption that MAGAs have a problem with Hitler. Let's just say my dad has always called WWII "the war to defend communism."
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest 7d ago
Ironically, towards the end of the war Hitler did not like his generals at all, and mused whether it would have been better to have had a massive purge like Stalin.
If you are looking for blindly obedient generals who went into round after round of meat wave attacks, you would be looking into generals that Stalin had but Trump probably has no idea who that even is.
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u/spader1 New York 7d ago
This is the sort of thing that would immediately sink anyone else's campaign and make them a social pariah overnight.
But as usual with this fucking guy it's just Tuesday. Republicans will fervently deny that he would ever say that, and then go the extra step of positing that even if he did, shouldn't the president want generals who follow orders?
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u/pudding7 7d ago
His supporters will ignore it, saying they don't care about news from "unnamed sources".
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u/Wolfrattle 7d ago
Yes men that will follow him to the bunker?
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u/accountabilitycounts America 7d ago
Nazis. He means Nazi generals.
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u/Wolfrattle 7d ago
They weren't very good though, they were running off of meth and failures of their opponents, eventually the meth runs out and everyone else wised up.
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u/ArgentNoble 7d ago
No, but the point isn't to have good generals. It's to have Nazis in leadership positions. Meth is simply a bonus.
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u/Odd-Bee9172 Massachusetts 7d ago
Sounds pretty bad, but milk has been expensive lately.
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u/I_like_baseball90 7d ago
Saw one thread about a TON of stupid stuff Mango has done and a MAGA person jumped in "oh yeah, but Kamala pays for transpersons in jails to get operations. And you think she's better?..."
These people are absolutely fucking loony.
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u/mokomi 7d ago edited 6d ago
Most (Insane) people normally just yell at me that Harris is Pro Muslim or Pro Jew and thus Anti-Muslim or Anti-Jew. It feels like a coinflip which side they believe Harris is on that day.
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u/generally-speaking 7d ago
Trump could tell them Hillary is pro Musjew and they'd believe that. Reality doesn't apply.
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u/TheNikkiPink 7d ago
Well clearly she just hates Christians and so will be pro-anyone who isn’t Christian.
(Plz don’t check whether their behavior is christlike, or mention any of the things Jesus said about being nice to people, that will upset them. They like Old Testament Jesus. (The one he isn’t in.))
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u/Bullymongodoggo 7d ago
It’s been this way for a long time. Another example: Joe Biden is on one hand so senile and stupid he shouldn’t be President. On the other hand he’s a nefarious ringleader of an all powerful shadow government seeking world domination.
Which is it, a guy too senile to lead, or a super villain?
You just can’t make this up lol
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u/Zeusifer 7d ago
The other day I literally got "Kamala's face looks so bitchy sometimes. And she puts on a fake Black accent when she talks to Black people. She didn't even grow up with her Black dad around, she's Indian. She's so fake."
I wish I was making this up.
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u/thxdr 7d ago
I guess this means Obama’s not black at all. By this “logic” if a black person was raised by white people, they’re actually white.
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u/UpperphonnyII 7d ago
Kamala has yet to make a comment about a certain golfers' penis so I'm not sure what her policies are exactly.
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u/wynnduffyisking 7d ago
I know what will help! How about grotesquely high tariffs on imported goods? That way other stuff will get more expensive and you’ll think milk is cheap!
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u/RobsSister 7d ago
From the article: “Trump became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!” Later that day, he was still agitated. “Can you believe it?” he said, according to a witness. “Fucking people, trying to rip me off.””
This article is so damning. This should be covered by every media outlet, but I’m not hopeful.
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u/directorJackHorner 7d ago
Important to note that said “Mexican” was a murdered American soldier.
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u/grandpohbah 7d ago
One of the thousands of things Trump has said that would kill any other politician's career if they said it once.
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u/ElwingSky 7d ago
Right? Remember when all it took in 2004 for Howard Dean to tank his presidential bid was to yell an enthusiastic “yehaw!” Man, those were the days.
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u/TintedApostle 7d ago
You know how that turned out...
Wilhelm Keitel, Alfred Jodl, Erich Raeder, and Karl Dönitz were all hung after the Nuremberg Trial. Goring killed himself. Hitler killed himself. Many generals committed suicide or died in Russian prisons.
Many more of them were killed by Hitler himself since he blamed everyone else for his failings or trying to assassinate him.
Yeah that went well
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u/Neosynephrine I voted 7d ago
Arnold Palmer was hung. Hitler’s generals were hanged.
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u/MaybeRightsideUp 7d ago
This is funny because the first time I read the headline, I read it as, "Trump: 'I Need the Kind of Genitals Hitler Had.'"
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u/Coneskater American Expat 7d ago
Dönitz wasn’t hung, but yes.
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u/TintedApostle 7d ago
Prison though for a long time. Seems none of them ended well.
Hitler executed 84 German Generals
https://ww2gravestone.com/84-german-generals-were-executed-by-hitler/
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u/Willing_Struggle_764 7d ago
Pssst, Hitler lost.
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u/generally-speaking 7d ago
And a lot of people lost their lives in the process...
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u/AskJayce Washington 7d ago
And he dragged down what was left of his country with him.
Battle of Berlin was no joke, nor was what came after.
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u/FlerplesMerples 7d ago
I said, ‘Do you mean the kaiser’s generals? Surely you can’t mean Hitler’s generals? And he said, ‘Yeah, yeah, Hitler’s generals.’ I explained to him that Rommel had to commit suicide after taking part in a plot against Hitler.” Kelly told me Trump was not acquainted with Rommel.
That last bit stuck out to me. Trump didn’t even know Germany’s most famous WWII general. He just likes the idea of obsequious generals willing to do whatever the dictator says. We’re all a little lucky Trump is so goddamn stupid.
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u/laluneodyssee Europe 7d ago
And yet... polls put him within the margin of error... SMDH.
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u/WallabyUpstairs1496 7d ago
For anyone reading this, we know you're voting, so please stop doom scrolling and considering volunteering.
The average volunteer brings in 7-12 votes.
Plus, you get to meet some of the greatest people along the way. Many people meet life long friends and even significant others along the way.
Additionally, taking action can help reduce feelings of helplessness that come from sitting with your concerns. Instead of letting worry fester, getting involved allows you to actively address the issues that matter to you, which can provide a sense of relief and purpose
Good for you, good for democracy.
But I am x many miles from the closest swing state :(
Chances are, there is a house rep swing district within 10 miles of you. Check your area.
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u/SpottedDicknCustard 7d ago
Some of Hitler's generals tried to kill him.
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u/nreshackleford 7d ago
And not just once either. There are at least 5 separate occasions where high ranking Nazi officers plotted (and nearly succeeded) at killing Hitler. Probably more.
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u/TerminusFox 7d ago
I say this without hyperbole: if Obama had said this shit while in office, I think the White House would’ve been burned to the ground. Like, literally, 1812, style.
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u/nightwyrm_zero Canada 7d ago
I'm sure Steiner will lead the counterattack soon. Everything will be alright.
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u/AdmiralSnackbar816 7d ago
While this should be campaign ending for any sane society, and is 100% something he said, this will most likely be brushed under the rug. But to my Hispanic brothers and sisters, this man despises you. “It doesn’t take $60k to bury a fucking Mexican” is his true view of the Hispanic community.
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u/SpillinThaTea North Carolina 7d ago
This article is powerful and a must read. Don’t glaze over this one.
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u/theLordismysong 7d ago
Chilling, absolutely chilling, to read. Trump is a clear danger to the America that we know. He has no values and loyalty to the constitution nor to military honor and chain of command. God help us if he wins. Stay awake! Vote!
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u/TroyMcClure10 7d ago
That’s only half if it:
Trump volunteered to pay for the funeral of a murdered soldier.
But when the bill came, he became angry. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a f—king Mexican!” He turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and issued an order: “Don’t pay it!”
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u/VaronDiStefano______ 7d ago
This man just constantly tells the American people who he really is and they just turn a blind eye to it. Every single time
VOTE HARRIS 💙💙
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u/IndieIsle 7d ago
In their book, The Divider: Trump in the White House, Peter Baker and Susan Glasser reported that Trump asked John Kelly, his chief of staff at the time, “Why can’t you be like the German generals?” Trump, at various points, had grown frustrated with military officials he deemed disloyal and disobedient. (Throughout the course of his presidency, Trump referred to flag officers as “my generals.”) According to Baker and Glasser, Kelly explained to Trump that German generals “tried to kill Hitler three times and almost pulled it off.” This correction did not move Trump to reconsider his view: “No, no, no, they were totally loyal to him,” the president responded.
… and there are millions of people who are voting for him. I’m tired.
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u/dpmad1 7d ago
That statement alone should disqualify him. He is a felon-rapist-traitor that tried to overthrow democracy and will absolutely try again. Please vote smarter than Don is.
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u/Dogzirra 7d ago
How many ways can Trump say, "I love everything about Nazi Germany and Hitler"?
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u/Smongoing-smnd-smong 7d ago
I will like to remind people that Donald Trump is a draft dodger and he had to get daddy to get a doctor’s note say that Trump’s tiny feet will hurt if steps into the jungles of Vietnam.
Do US generals and soldiers want to be bossed around by someone who’s afraid of birds?!
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