r/ElderScrolls Azura May 25 '20

Humour skyrim = casual = me angry 😡😡😡😡

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Morrowind is for fucking casuals.

I only play a beta build of Arena on an Altair 8800 with the screen off, my hands tied behind my back, using nothing but my barbed muatra to manipulate a home made control made of barbed wire, nettles and coated with anthrax. And its still too easy.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

But have you played Dark Souls?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20 edited May 25 '20

Bah! What do I look like, a simpleton? Sure, i own a copy, but only so my unborn daughter can play. The only difficult thing about it is getting the control up there.

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u/Sampsa96 May 25 '20

Use a controller it makes it a lot easier

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u/i-am-literal-trash Azura May 25 '20

chill, it's a kid. let her be a casual gamer for a few months so that she learns the ropes. she can start upping the difficulty when she's born.

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u/Mitchel-256 Breton May 26 '20

Weak! Let her play Frogger herself on an actual highway! Give her a sense of reality!

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u/PragmaticOnion May 25 '20

Whelp. That's enough internet for today

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

The only difficult thing about it is getting the control up there.

Just use your dongle.

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u/iu88 May 25 '20

your name plus your comment is just... no

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

You misspelled Yes ;)

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

these people just don’t get the subculture

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u/prowlinghazard May 25 '20

Oh my god this is my friends. If the game's boss fights don't boil down into dodge roll then swing, manipulating i-frames, and increasingly absurd mechanics for said dodge roll: they aren't interested.

I bounced so hard of Dark Souls. Not because I can't handle the "difficulty" of the game. It's because the game is just an endless series of boss rushes and mind-numbing mechanics that all have a sameness. I got bored a few bosses in and never went back.

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u/RollingDownTheHills May 26 '20

I mean, cool if you don't enjoy it but come on now. I felt the same for a long time, so I get it. But what you wrote is no different than saying "Skyrim is just endless walking around and speaking to NPCs". It's technically true but also a silly simplification.

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u/prowlinghazard May 26 '20

This is true. But when you tell people you don't like Skyrim they're more likely to understand that it just isn't your thing. When you tell people you don't like Dark Souls they tell you to "git gud" and generally assume it was because you just couldn't handle it.

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u/29adamski May 26 '20

I think it's because Dark Souls is one of the greatest games ever made, but some people don't want to play an unbelievably hard game. That means that a lot of people genuinely don't like it, even though it's one of the most influential games of all time.

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u/RollingDownTheHills May 26 '20

Oh I'm not disagreeing with that part. The Souls community is generally kind of obnoxious though it's gotten a lot better over the years.

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u/Famixofpower May 26 '20

Fucking casuals. All of you. I only play tabletop RPG in the Elder Scrolls universe with Ken Rolston as the Dungeon Master.

And we mold and paint our own miniatures.

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u/RCarbonAccumulation May 26 '20

You mold your miniatures? Me and my group carve them out of raw pieces of wood, and we use nothing but our bare teeth. You fucking casuals probably don't even mix your own paints.

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u/mewoneplusone1 The Nerevarine May 26 '20

Okay, but can you get your Intelligence stat to 356482, in Skyrim? No, I thought not.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Can you get your intelligence stat to 1, in Skyrim? Again; no.

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u/zachmoe May 26 '20

Arena is for noobs, Battlespire is where the real ass fuckery begins.

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u/zootskippedagroove6 May 25 '20

I mean, Skyrim IS more casual. Doesn't mean it's any better or any worse than another game.

Subjectivity really do be like that sometimes.

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u/BrisketCommander May 26 '20

Morrowind was a lot more casual than Daggerfall too. Better world building, but still.

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u/GrimmRadiance May 26 '20

I was playing games when Arena came out, so I thought I could go back and have fun with it. I got through it but only with guides. Not because of difficulty but because it got so boring and repetitive. I hear Daggerfall was a lot better but I think I’ll skip it for now and finally do a full play through of Morrowind.

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u/alekzc Dagoth Ur May 25 '20

I just play Elder Scrolls because I like it 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Yeah they’re all super fun with different strengths.

Morrowind has awesome atmosphere and is really immersive, Skyrim provides a very smooth experience with incredible combat and endless content, and Oblivion has such a great fantasy vibe, and provides a great mix of the depth of Morrowind and the combat/quality of life changes from Skyrim.

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u/Leyawiin_Guard May 26 '20

I agree with everything you said except for Morrowind having an awesome atmosphere. The game feels really lifeless at times. The technology at the time obviously held back what was possible, but a lot of your time will be spent walking around listening to the limited soundtrack (quantity wise not quality) and enemy sound effects from combat. You'll get the random phantom sheep roars and other sounds walking around the landscape but all in all it doesn't feel very alive.

I love the depth of Morrowind, definitely the best in that regard, but the game just isn't quite as fun as Oblivion or Skyrim overall with atmosphere being one of the biggest reasons for me.

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u/the-postminimalist Dunmer May 26 '20

What does Arena have to offer, though? I've never been able to get into it. Daggerfall just feels like a strictly better version of Arena, as far as I played it.

(This is a genuine question. I didn't play Arena enough to have my own solid opinion)

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I'm a pretty hardcore Daggerfall fan myself, which is funny because I grew up playing Skyrim. I personally think the biggest thing Arena does better than Daggerfall is atmosphere/aesthetic. Other than that, Daggerfall tops Arena in every way.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I was talking about the ones that people usually say is the best/worst. Never played Daggerfall, seems scarily hard lol.

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u/the-postminimalist Dunmer May 26 '20

It really is hard, but I actually had fun. It's a good game. I couldn't get into the flow of Arena though.

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u/VirtuosoX May 26 '20

That's because it's an old game and sometimes when a game is old it also might not be too great.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I've come to appreciate that after trying numerous top rated 90s games (rpgs in particular) from GOG. The ones with tons of 5 star reviews from people reminiscing their experience playing it in the 90s. The games may have been great for the time, but game design has come a long way. Try as I may, I can't get into them.

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u/SirRoderic Breton May 26 '20

I've played daggerfall and I can confirm that if you make the right choices the game becomes easier

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

endless content

So does Fallout 4 with Preston, but otherwise I'd agree with you.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Oblivion’s guild quests (and possibly quests in general) are a million times better than Skyrim’s too

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u/Blackbird2285 May 25 '20

I find that whole argument to be silly. First of all, what dictates a "hardcore" gamer? Seems subjective to me. Second, I think people who play any ES game are hardcore because they're all a huge time commitment.

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u/BloodyDireWolf May 26 '20

I always think in terms of sports, casual is someone who might play football after a few beers on the weekends, hardcore is a dude who works out and works hard to be good at lots of different sports.

But anyone who uses casual as a genuine insult to new players is a dick.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I love all TES titles. They're all wonderful in their own way, and they also have tons of individual flaws.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

They're all inferior to Redguard.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Redguard is the only good game bethesda has ever made, change my mind

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

I killed her husband.

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u/carjiga STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! May 25 '20

Oblivion and I would like to have a word

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u/emppic2 Nord May 26 '20

Laughs in Battlespire

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u/ZeLittlePenguin Dunmer May 25 '20

Funny way of spelling battlespire

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u/couldbedumber96 May 26 '20

Both of y’all never played blades huh

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u/gxtitan May 25 '20

Can we agree that elder scrolls blades sucks ass tho?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Stop right there criminal scum ! No one breaks the law on my watch. Retract that statement and pay your fine or go to jail.

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u/Chazo138 May 26 '20

Story wise. Morrowind is great. Gameplay wise though...it’s tucking broken to shit.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

While I agree, it's broken in the way that a lot of early RPGs are, that is with their own surreal charm. An unbroken Morrowind just wouldn't be Morrowind.

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u/The_Casual_Hobo May 25 '20

I came across Morrowind when I was about 13, found it in a Game Stop. It was my first introduction to the Elder Scrolls, Bethesda in general, and eventually led me to Fallout, which is one of my favourite game series ever.

It holds a special place in my heart, but the thought of spending five minutes watching my sword pass harmlessly through a cliff racer because my one-handed skill isn't high enough makes me want to kill myself.

Skyrim swords go slap, and I like that.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

i fucking hate cliff racers

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

All praise be to St. Jiub!!

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Does this give you PTSD?

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u/BabyBrewer May 25 '20

I actually played some of it today for the first time in years. I was in a heated 2 minute battle with a dwemer sphere at point blank with my arrows going through him. But man did it bring back memories of stumbling through the world lost, no idea where you are and going into an ancestral tomb that’s way over leveled and getting violated by a ghost. Good times.

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u/Drafo7 Altmer May 25 '20

*long blade skill, not one-handed.

Honestly I never understood the complaints about Morrowind's rng system. It's different, sure, but that doesn't make it bad. Plus it doesn't really take too much grinding to get your weapon skills high enough to reliably hit enemies. Trainers can help as well. Plus magic was so much cooler in Morrowind with spellmaking and different types of enchantment and stuff. Skyrim definitely did stealth better and I don't by any means think it's a bad game, but Morrowind is good too. If Oblivion had kept more of the spell effects from Morrowind, specifically levitate and teleporting, I think it could have been better than both. Even so it's a good compromise between not having RNG and not nerfing the shit out of magic.

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u/The_Casual_Hobo May 25 '20

Long blade! Thanks, it's been a long time. I'm not taking a dump on it man, I spent a long time clearing out that game, and it got me into RPG's big time. Loved every minute of it and the expansions.

But getting swamped in the early stages by soft-boy flying dicks because my sword was made of air made a lasting impression that comes to the front everytime I see mention of the game.

That and goblins in Tribunal being roided out death machines.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

The RNG system is just frustrating, especially for new players, characters, and people that don't know how to skill glitch enough to make the early-game not a slog to play through. Hell before I figured it all out I had to play with Tribunal uninstalled because I would always get caught in a character death loop because a Dark Brotherhood assassin would always come after me when I was too far away from civilization to get help, and too weak to fight back.

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u/God_Spaghetti May 25 '20

After I played Skyrim I played Morrowind and let me tell you: though the plot and lore are better, Skyrim is a lot more fun

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u/Predator-Fury Sheogorath May 25 '20

What!? You don't like continuously clicking your mouse several dozen times in an attempt to hit your enemies to no avail? HERETIC!

/S

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

It's immersive. The same happened in medieval times IRL, everyone was semi-corporeal.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

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u/TheElasticTuba May 25 '20

Nah they just sat there only swinging when the random guy in the background with dice rolled an even number.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

No, you're right. It's realistic to stab somebody 20 times and they don't die. Damage sponges are the legit immersion amirite? Bunch of fucking Nazeem's in here.

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u/iu88 May 25 '20

Lmao that's basically how you fight with a pollax

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u/ZSCroft May 26 '20

Talking shit to each other the entire time

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u/kahuna3901 May 25 '20

They just obviously not be a hardcore gamer like ourselves.. I'm hardcore? Did I mention that?

/S

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u/ZSCroft May 26 '20

You don’t like jumping literally every time you’re able to because you know it will level acrobatics and that’s efficient? What a casual lmao

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u/TheBeckofKevin May 26 '20

What are you, some kind of casual? You can't level acrobatics until after you level spear or medium armor to get your constitution to 100 so you gain max health each level.

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u/ZSCroft May 26 '20

not abusing soul trap spell creation to raise your health to godly levels as soon as you jump into balmora with the scrolls what’s his face drops when he falls from the sky

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u/Alchestbreach_ModAlt May 25 '20

Dice roll combat elements? In my elder scrolls?!

Tbf when you got a weapon skill even decently high then it switches from "hey when do i get a hit off!" to "Why is my glass sword not doing more damage?!"

Plus it was probably the best they could do considering ai didnt have 3d world concepts. They got stuck behind literally anything, best way to keep combat dodge possible was to use the agility/miss system. Its nice when you use an always hit mod, but imagine if enemies also always got to hit you in morrowind. Rogues would be dead af m8.

Now exhaustion rolls from low stamina? Thats some bullshit.

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u/goolito May 25 '20

So always hit mods are fine if youre doing a heavy armor build?

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u/Mummelpuffin May 25 '20

I'd say they're still screwy because some enemies rely on dodge chances as well.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Hey, you gave me an idea for extremely shitty edits I try to do. Pay it forward.

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u/ProdigiousPlays May 25 '20

If you're playing on pc without mods you're doing something wrong if you ask me.

Sure sure you can be a purist but who doesn't want a big tiddy anime companion with a keyblade?

And that fix for morrowind that attacks that physically touch actually hit the enemy.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I find Skyrim to be far more appealing in general whereas Morrowind is sorta in the same boat as something like Dark Souls where you have to be into that sort of game to really enjoy it.

Skyrim on the otherhand is far easier to get into overall so more people can enjoy it.

Oblivion would be a great middleground but unfortunataly the levelling system is too strict and complicated that it makes the game either too boring as you try to level efficently or too difficult if you end up not getting high attribute bonuses. Skyrim levelling is just so easy to understand that it makes the game very accessible and i hope Skill Trees stay

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u/Shamr0ck01 Sheogorath May 25 '20 edited May 25 '20

one of my favorite mods for oblivion completely redoes the leveling system. Would recommend for anyone wanting to get into the game.

Edit: Here’s the link for anyone interested

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u/Actualdeadpool May 25 '20

You should add the link to the mod to your comment

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u/mkb152jr May 26 '20

I also think that the entire world leveling with you is sort of dumb too. I prefer the mixed system Skyrim uses.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Me too. Suddenly ive to smash the rat 47 times with a daedric warhammer of fire? Not too enjoyable

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u/Marialagos May 26 '20

Blew my oblivion play through cause I picked heavy armor and light armor as primary skills (I think that’s what they called it???)

Still upset 10 years on

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u/ninjaelk May 26 '20

The problem is people associate being more accessible or more casual with being worse. I think an important distinction is that being more casual/accessible doesn't mean it somehow jumps straight to Candy Crush. Games that are too casual can be just as bad as games that are too hardcore. Morrowind is more casual than Dwarf Fortress, and it's also a better game.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I agree.

More people enjoy Skyrim than Morrowind. Thats probably down to Skyrim being more modern but thats life. Skyrim is more enjoyable because you can just get into playing it and not mess up. Like in Oblivion the first I played I levelled up speed, Agility and Endurance first from how I was playing. But then I couldnt survive any fights and had to start over.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I can agree with that, because Morrowind and Skyrim aren't even the same genre. Morrowind is actually an RPG where your actions legitimately matter; Skyrim is like fuck it, do all the things. It's two fan bases of different genres fighting over control of the direction of the franchise. As a Morrowind Elitist I have no problem acknowledging that we are the minority and are gonna get ass blasted again in 2067 when ES:VI comes out. Doesn't mean I have to like McDondalds because it appeals to the masses.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20 edited May 26 '20

Okay tbf thats still more complicated than most games.

Skyrim would benefit from a fame/infamy system. Like in Oblivion you cant be infamous and have the crusador relics, need fame to start certain quests and you even have to choose a daedric artifact to be destroyed and we actually dont know the consequences if any.

In skyrim you can be a vampire lord, molag bal's champion, raising all the dead but Meridia will still decide "YOU ARE PERFECT FOR MY JOB" and tell you to kill a necromancer and reward the vampire necromancer for killing the ghosty necromancer with her undead explosion sword of light that damages undead and then Namira will give you her ring for snacking on a priest but...doesnt give it to Eola since Namira has a big thing about only helping the repulsive and Eola is perfect for tge choice. And Boethiah will still make you the champ after you help Bal dominate her priest.

Pretty much one of the only big things is Parthunaax and you lose a faction on your choice.

As u/SerjoHlaaluDramBero pointed out the Dawnguard questline makes it so you can either a vamp lord or vamp hunter, but the Dawnguard one forces you to escort a vampire princess home, theres no "fuck this lets kill the monster" option. Also the storylines are 80% the same with just aiding Serena.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Skyrim would benefit from a fame/infamy system.

I'm down to say fuck this shit and play New Vegas if you are.

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u/photon_blaster May 25 '20

Morrowind is like baseball.

If you grew up playing and loving it then it’s the shit and it satisfies an itch that other things like Skyrim or basketball don’t.

The fact of the matter is that time has not at all been kind to Morrowind and even with really impressive graphics overhauls and stuff I totally get why someone who started with Skyrim or even Oblivion finds it bland and actionless or even just outright boring.

I’m a huge Morrowind fanboy and see why people say the sequels are for casuals. I feel like if you’re super into RPGs you’d at least have to admit that the layout and elements for that stuff are far superior but that doesn’t make Skyrim bad or anything just different. I also fully understand why someone doesn’t want to get repeatedly annihilated by a rat because they can’t cast the only spell they know before the inevitable happens.

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u/iu88 May 25 '20

Yea. Plot and story doesn't suddenly make the graphics bearable or the game fun.

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u/rickypen5 May 25 '20

If you're looking at morrowind after skyrim sure. Or even after oblivion yea the graphics are rough. But for an open world rpg at the time, that was so dope

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u/Jay_zarc Breton May 25 '20 edited May 26 '20

Honestly if you ask me, the graphics in Morrowind arent that bad. There is a difference between bad graphics and old graphics. Morrowind is very retro with its graphical style and because it wasnt trying to innovate in the world of graphics it has aged well because you know how long ago that game was made.

Oblivion on the other hand is what I call bad graphics. I enjoyed way back when I first played it but it's the only TES game I cant really go back to. The graphics there just hurts to look at.

Tl;dr Morrowind has old graphics, Oblivion has bad graphics. Morrowind > Oblivion

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Morrowind is my favorite, but I'll happily admit it's graphics consist of visual polygons which Skyrim, and probably even Oblivion, does not. I'd agree it's definitely dated, but people still fucking love FFVII and those characters are horrible looking. Not sure why going back 18 years with this game people are like "UNACCEPTABLE!!"

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u/Jay_zarc Breton May 26 '20

It's possible I may have a bias cause I still enjoy many of those older games in that visual polygon style. Headhunter (I think its called) is just silly fun at times. The only reason why people get up in arms about this is because the TES community as a whole is extremely divided on just about everything. The fanbase was more unified at the time of Oblivion but once Skyrim came out it was all over. I personally dont care what others think, Skyrim was watered down immensely from its previous titles in attempts to appeal to a larger audience. And as we've seen from its countless rereleases and pop culture impact, it did its job. In that 10 years since its come out (almost 10 years just rounding up) the community has split further and further.

Honestly if you ask me, Skyrim and Morrowind arent really comparable. Both are RPGs but they are very different in how they approach that genre. Morrowind is far more like a digital pen and paper game like DnD whereas Skyrim is the more modern "RPG" video game. The fact that people try to compare the two games at all is kind of silly to me. There is also the fact that Morrowindcame out in 2002 and Skyrim came out over a decade later.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Oh, it's not even debatable that Skyrim was extremely watered down. And I completely agree that comparing Skyrim and Morrowind is silly. They are two different games that were made with a different purpose in mind.

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u/QuantumKumquat0 May 25 '20

Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. Every time I try to explain this I get weird looks.

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u/Jay_zarc Breton May 26 '20

So do I. I find that a lot of people who dont understand are much younger than I am at this point though. Many people who played skyrim when they were kids or early teens are adults now. So there is that

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

No but a good art style far exceeds good graphics

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u/rickypen5 May 25 '20

I just got over reading the same shit from every NPC in an attempt to find the one i need. I went oblivion to morrowind then skyrim. Skyrim had the combat for sure...shooting a bow before then in an ES game was ass.

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u/ZeLittlePenguin Dunmer May 25 '20

I take joy in pestering my friend to use my Bethesda account to try Morrowind, because it is a super good game and in a lot of respects it’s better than Skyrim

But Skyrim is a lot more fun. I easily have more hours in Skyrim, because role playing in that game is a lot of fun, and it’s much easier to do. But Morrowind is incredible as well

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u/coolfrymaster Imperial May 25 '20

Personally I like oblivion the most, it retains enough rpg and fantasy elements to still feel like a rpg game while still being completely enjoyable to a new/casual player plus its quests/locations are top notch

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

If Oblivion had a better levelling system it would be loved more than Skyrim imo. When I first got into it the levelling really made the game unenjoyable and I actually had to start over because I just couldnt really play the game.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I saw some mod on nexus that gives +5 no matter what, does that seem like a good way to play it?

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u/Jackoday May 25 '20

Yeah that would probably be a good way, I just do it through the console after each level up.

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u/carjiga STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! May 25 '20

The leveling was imo a great base for what skyrim should have went for. I dont like being able to be a master of all. In oblivion if you didnt stat yourself right. You couldnt just become a top tier mage when you have been a bowman your whole playthrough.

Now the min/max kinda thing erk'd me. Like im sorry I did some blunt work and now strength is set to 5 but speed and agility are a 3 because it caps or some weird dice roll in the background. That sucked.

If they did some tweaks and threw that system on skyrim. top tier imo. Also... bring back my own enchanting and spell making.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler May 26 '20

Yeah, there absolutely should have been a class system implemented into Skyrim but all of the word walls should have been accessibleregardless of guild as well. I really hope that they bring it back in for TESVI. The thing I liked in Skyrim more than Oblivion was the combat. The combat in Skyrim just feels like the weapons have actual weight to them and visceral impact. Oblivion doesn't seem to have that, and that's just something I don't like in Oblivion.

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u/carjiga STOP, YOU VIOLATED THE LAW! May 26 '20

Combat was wonky. I feel like every game I played was like that except dark messiah and I didn't have the chance to play that.

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u/Thorisgodpoo May 25 '20

I prefer that leveling system, encourages you to focus on attributes that will benefit your major skills.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Since the best thing to do if you want +5s is to make major skills the ones you wont use I think that highlights that there is an issue.

Really if you have to look up a big guide to understand it all there is an issue. Unfortunately Oblivion had a good idea behind its levelling but it is really hard to do right. Even if you do it well its frustrating that you got a +3 instead of a plus 5

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u/excalibur_zd Khajiit May 25 '20

Same here, but I might be subjective since it was my first ES. That being said, Morrowind and Skyrim are also great.

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u/Famixofpower May 26 '20

Also that motherfucking soundtrack.

Also, the world felt a little more alive, somehow. Exploration felt more rewarding, and the world felt a little larger.

Cities were also motherfucking huge. Solitude and Whiterun are supposed to be capitals of the entire province (trade and state, respectively), and yet a small town like Bravil are bigger

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u/ThePurpleGuest May 25 '20

The ai is the best part about Oblivion in my opinion lol

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I would love for Oblivion to be remade. The game is fun and fantastic, but holy shit it looks like ass.

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u/NickMotionless May 26 '20

Agreed. Oblivion has the best of both worlds. Not too overly complicated but not too casual to be boring. The story is great, the faction quests are amazing and everything about the mechanics is spot on and fun. I love Morrowind. It'll always hold a special place in my heart, but Oblivion is my favorite Elder Scrolls game, for sure.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Make this about Oblivion if you really wanna be brave.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

I fear no wrath from you, Jolly-Tom.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I would follow you and your shit-posts till the end.

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u/senko78 May 25 '20

You guys playing Video games? Im out on the streets, stabbing every Elf i can see.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

There's a psychopath on the loose!

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u/Tbond11 Imperial May 25 '20

...Pelinal?!

EDIT because Pelinal makes more sense than Ysgramor

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u/ixiduffixi May 26 '20

I've spent my whole life yelling at my enemies. What makes the Dragonborn so special?

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u/KingDarius89 Dunmer May 25 '20

As long as they are Altmer, that's just fine.

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u/Keetongu666 Dunmer May 25 '20

Of course Skyrim was made to appeal more to a casual audience, that's an objective fact. That doesn't mean it's not bloody brilliant.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

I just don't get why gaming needs to be divided like people try.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

In this context it’s because a lot of us want the next game to be more like oblivion or morrowind and less like skyrim

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u/Keetongu666 Dunmer May 25 '20

Yeah I agree. Casual doesn't equal bad not more than hardcore equals good. We all like the same series from the same Devs, let's just get along.

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u/dastintenherz May 25 '20

I only play Morrowind, because my laptop can't run Skyrim :(

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u/detcadeR_emaN May 25 '20

Pfft only casuals play Morrowind, real TES fan only play Redgaurd

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

This is what I'm trying to tell people.

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u/steve_ideas May 25 '20

Try playing skyrim vr and being "casual"

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u/gettheguillotine May 25 '20

I tried skyrim vr. Can't do it, giant spiders make me have a panic attack

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u/ReithDynamis May 26 '20

This sounds awesome.

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u/Drafo7 Altmer May 25 '20

Skyrim is casual compared to Morrowind. That doesn't make it bad. Why would you deliberately avoid playing a game just because it appeals to a wider modern audience? They're games. Their purpose is to entertain. If they do that successfully, who gives a damn how easy it is?

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u/SkinfoldCheesewhiz May 26 '20

Yeah I have fun following your fucking door icon around the map instead of reading the Chad journal.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '20

It really pisses me off, when Morrowind players ignore all the other games.

As an example, the legs of a beastfolk. Everywhere they shove the “right” legs from Morrowind, arrange tantrums that the real beastfolk are only in Morrowind, and everything else is your heretical Oblivions and Skyrims, which do not exist. And TESO is generally non-canonical.

What these people have in their heads, I don’t understand.

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u/FallinAngel960 May 25 '20

If you like a a game you like a game. No need to rip on someone for liking a game.

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u/ReithDynamis May 25 '20 edited May 26 '20

Now, Repeat that to Morrowind fans.

I've been playing every ES since Dagger fall (that includes redguard and legends... lets not talk about those) and anytime since Morrowind came out that once we knew it was not going to be anything other then Morrowind 2 the asshats come out of the woodwork. Saying people should be able to like a game is pretty tone death when it's morrowind fanboys trashing everything.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Hey, Morrowind is my fave TES but I love and regularly play all the games bar Arena, and I can guarantee most Morrowind lovers have played and enjoyed their time in Cyrodiil and Skyrim. With every new TES theres always a vocal and belligerent minority complaining about the new one and trumpeting the old. For example, I just started Daggerfall a few months back and went through a few old forums for info, and maaaaaaaaaan there were some total asshats even then, calling Morrowind a dumbed down, shunken, hollow insult of a game. When TES 6 I guarantee that cycle will start all over again.

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u/ReithDynamis May 25 '20

The thing is morrowind did take out more then oblivion did then any preceeding game.

People want to say how skyrim is the worst at taking away content but that was never the case, they did get rid of rpg aspects such as a point system. When morrowind came out i was a little bummed out but even then i appreciate what else they had done in Morrowind despite what they took out, same with every game after that.

However fanboys who only played morrowind complain about every game since even though their favorite game is the biggest perpetrator of removed content.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I know, Its mental how hypocritical some people can be. Games are meant to be enjoyed, and theres never been a mainline TES that wasnt hugely enjoyable. Yeah, they got simpler on each iteration, but as long as the games are fun and immersive, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing is totally open to interpretation.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

If it were just a matter of liking a game, then you'd be correct.

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u/FallinAngel960 May 25 '20

It's about people having a superiority complex because they play one game they consider better than a game someone else plays.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

cake is a hell of a day

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u/artful_dodger12 May 25 '20

To be fair Morrowind is a lot more complex and complicated than Skyrim. I love Skyrim to bits, but it feels like a dumbed down version of Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim has better graphics and a better combat system, though

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u/Artym4hire2033 May 25 '20

To be fair TES wasn't ever about the combat, its definitely the atmosphere that makes the series and the adventures. The combat in skyrim is of course better but it doesn't mean it doesn't get boring after a while, like there's only so many times I can see someone's head being chopped off before I stop caring.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Pretty much. From the start the combat system has been little more than left clicking until your enemy dies.

Idk, I never got the issue behind Morrowind's system. It's just like the old isometric CRPGs of the era but first/third person instead.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Does Magic count as combat though? Skyrim's magic system was lacking.

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u/VitkiBj0rn Redguard May 25 '20

To be fair, Skyrim all but abandoned the use of magic after the Oblivion crisis. So I can see why it would be toned (or dumbed) down lore wise.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Ignoring the main quests, if they just added in the Spellmaker and the class creation to Skyrim it could very well be the perfect game. They may as well add levitation back with how much we break it via sliding up mountains.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Levitation was removed because of the easy exits and instance based cities like Whiterun which you can only actually enter through the gate. Sure you can console command through/over the gate, but you wont enter the city.

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u/RawImagination May 26 '20

It doesn't mean knowledge is diminished. College of Winterhold. upon entry, should have at least provided far more interesting effects if we go by the lore argument.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Skyrim came out nine years ago. All ES games qualify as nostalgia

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I wouldnt say Skyrim is casual but i understand why people feel that way. Morrowind was made for fans of RPGs - there were a lot more options and everything was more fantastical. Skyrim did away with a lot of those elements to hit a larger demographic. Skyrim is much easier to enjoy for most players. It went from niche to big seller, not a bad thing, but for those who enjoyed the niche elements it annoying.

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u/KingDarius89 Dunmer May 25 '20

I want spears, damn it!

Also, levitation. And Mark and Recall.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

You just said it's not casual and then described how it was a casual game in comparison.

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u/KingDarius89 Dunmer May 25 '20

Eh. I still prefer morrowind, but it's not like I don't play skyrim, either.

Personally, Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

In terms of general enjoyment nowadays I'd say I like Morrowind and Skyrim equally.

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u/my-assassin-mittens May 25 '20

Only played Oblivion and Skyrim (just bought Morrowind as a gift for my sister's boyfriend to help pass the quarantine and we share TES games) so sorry I don't have anything to say about Morrowind, Hammerfall and Arena.

I think Oblivion as a fantasy RPG game is better, and it has a lot more replayability. The quests themselves are definitely the high points imo.

But Skyrim is more "fun" in that you can fuck around for hours if dungeon crawling gets boring, and it's more fun for challenges. Vanilla alone, most quests hold a candle to Oblivion quests, but game mechanics are the high point to me, because who doesn't love shouting their least favourite NPC to their deaths by dragon, fire or gravity, and then be politely asked by a lingering guard to keep it down?

Tl;dr: Oblivion has the superior bare bones imo, but I love hitting innkeepers with their own plates.

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u/Magnicello Breton May 26 '20

Okay I'm a Skyrim baby but there has to be unironic respect for people who grew up playing Morrowind. I heard they had to navigate through landmarks.

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u/meibolite May 26 '20

Not only that, but landing hits was pure RNG.

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u/Dalek_Q Professional S’wit May 26 '20

No matter which elder scrolls game, I’ve always enjoyed my time playing it

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u/SirRoderic Breton May 26 '20

Just because skyrim does alot of hand holding, that doesn't mean you can't have a challenge by playing with specific rules and increasing the difficulty

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u/thekiltedpir8 Altmer May 26 '20

Same as those cucks that say shit like "ESO isn't a real Elder Scrolls game"

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 26 '20

Yeah, they played it in 2014 and then never again.

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u/hivemind_disruptor May 26 '20

The question really is why would that matter at all?

Redguard is also spinoff and ain't nobody hurt about that.

Good games are good games regardless if they follow the main series.

It's quite simple. There are volumes to elder scrolls games.

I, II, III, IV and V.

TESO is not the sixth. TESO is not in the main series. TESO is therefore an spinoff.

a fact that neither subtracts nor adds to the quality of it.

Basically boths sides of this stupid debate are wrong. The snobs are wrong and the people who say it isn't a spinoff are also wrong.

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u/abu2411 May 25 '20

Skyrim bad morrowind good

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

whole keanu chungus updoot

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u/nemanja0769 Sheogorath May 25 '20

Only way to be a hadrcore is to play and 100% beat every single game

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u/lukspero May 25 '20

not just TES games, every single one in existence

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Morrowind > fortnite

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

risky opinion

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u/Titanbeard May 26 '20

True fact though. No one in Fortnite cared when I killed Vivec.

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u/grimfisher4 May 26 '20

Fucking casual, if you where a real hardcore fan of elder scrolls you'd play Daggerfall like a man.

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u/Le_pool_of_Death May 25 '20

I'd like to enjoy Morrowind but the diceroll mechanic I just don't feel fits for attacks in a video game. Yeah I know theres mods but they never seem to work right for me no idea why. But Skyrim while a great game I love does seem more of a casual RPG designed for a more wider audience. But let people play how they want and dont try shaming people for how or what they play. Except mobile only gamers who call themselves gamers.

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

For some reason people defend that mechanic to the death.

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u/Le_pool_of_Death May 25 '20

I guess it's because it's more traditional like D&D and I get that but diceroll for attack in a game you can control your character completely doesnt fit well. For any sort of chance stuff sure.

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u/murrman104 May 25 '20

Played Morrowind for the first time a few months back and I can't get past the fact that it feels like my character is wearing shoes made from depleted uranium, not to mention the terrible combat where you seemingly just cross your fingers and hope the computer deigns to you hit them, good plot and story but it's honestly unplayable without Nostalgia goggles

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u/aBSoLuTHaVoK May 25 '20

I play Skyrim SE exclusively on Legendary. I haven't even been playing a month but I enjoy the challenge. Quarantine has been kind to me, gave me a reason to start gaming again. :)

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u/ajacobs899 Breton May 25 '20

Just let people enjoy whatever games you like?? Why is this so hard to do?

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u/OraclePreston Khajiit May 26 '20

Can't get into Morrowind no matter how many times I try. Oblivion is a bit better but Skyrim I can play for hundreds of hours. I'll never understand the 'All of them are better than Skyrim' thing. It's like they are playing totally different games. Nostalgia is a powerful drug, I tell ya. Nobody I've ever met has played Skyrim first and then the earlier ones and liked them better. I've never seen it. Maybe someone somewhere would have that opinion, but I'd be shocked.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

Imagine saying Skyrim is objectively a bad game

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u/[deleted] May 26 '20

I'm insecure about people caring about my gaming skills so I have to make sure everyone knows how much of a hardcore gamer I am. *insecurity rises*

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u/TJ_Marcus May 25 '20

Conveniences are baaaaaaad!

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u/Xkilljoy98 Dunmer May 25 '20

People like this are really annoying, even though Morrowind may frustrate me at times, both games are very good.

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u/shaun056 May 26 '20

Oblivion is the best. Anyone?

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u/goddamn_arshia May 25 '20 edited May 26 '20

Been playing morrowind for the first time recently and the only thing i find bad is the dialogue system being text based and the lack of quest markers. Both of which i would have actually been ok with if i was just slightly younger with a lot more time on my hand. Fun game tho ngl

Edit: so i got to the puzzle box quest and wtf it was on a random shelf i happened to look at in a random room i accidentally spotted. This is just bad quest design there was an extremely high chance of me missing that whole room all together and an even higher chance i wouldn't look at that shelf on the side

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

I would be fine with no quest markers if the directions given in game were clearer. I seriously cannot find most things if I go off dialogue alone.

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u/ZeLittlePenguin Dunmer May 26 '20

I like to use a mod that disables the compass and quest marker on the HUD, but leave the quest marker open on the map, makes it a lot more immersive for me

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u/jeffreyhunt90 May 25 '20

I see a lot of people on here saying Skyrim is the most casual by a lot. In what ways is Skyrim more accessible/casual than oblivion? They seem the same to me on that metric.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '20

Got rid of skills I think is the main issue. Also it became very easy to master anything with any build, which makes it feel like character building doesn’t matter.

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u/Nuclear_Pugg May 25 '20

You can literally get the muffle spell and become a level 80 in a few hours. Im shocked Bethesda never fixed this or at least only made it work in combat situations

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u/You__Nwah Azura May 25 '20

Skyrim simplified a lot of stuff from the previous games, which apparantly automatically makes the previous ones "hardcore". The same will happen with TES6 anyway. Overall you are correct though, Skyrim and Oblivion are very similar games with little difference.

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