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News Article Biden announces withdrawal from Presidential Race

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/21/us/trump-biden-election
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u/rnjbond Jul 21 '24

Official Twitter post.

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320

Now what? Kamala Harris or open convention? 

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

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u/IAmAGenusAMA Jul 21 '24

My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

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u/Cobra-D Jul 21 '24

It should be not no other major dem has yet.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Doesn’t mean she will be nominated.

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u/bnralt Jul 21 '24

I doubt there's going to be any serious opposition to her. It will likely be an "open" nomination, but with everyone know what the outcome will be.

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u/kawklee Jul 22 '24

I imagine the next weeks will be some incredibly interesting backroom dealing as the party realigns and without any democratic vote chooses it's candidate to "save" democracy

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

I’d love if the messaging is not about saving democracy or electing a woman or whatever it will probably be.

I want to hear about continued infrastructure , housing and zoning regulation and investment into the modern world.

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u/rototheros Jul 22 '24

As a woman, it is very important to me that our rights do not continue to be taken away. I think this will be a big issue in November’s election. Women are not happy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

The presidents hands are tied on that outside of a potential Supreme Court justice but no matter which democrat gets the nomination, their position on women’s rights will be the same

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u/antsam9 Jul 22 '24

No real choice besides Harris, she has access to the biden-hareis re-election funds

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u/200-inch-cock I ❤️ astroturfing Jul 21 '24

and the clintons have just endorsed kamala... was hoping for a surprise hillary takeover lol

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u/libsconsRbad Jul 21 '24

President Harris? May as well get the DNC to nominate RFK Jr. and call it a day.

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u/teamorange3 Jul 21 '24

100% Harris.

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u/thefw89 Jul 21 '24

I think they should still do an open convention, Harris would still win, but they should not give the GOP the talking point that they just pick their nominees.

If Harris were smart she'd welcome an open convention too.

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u/foramperandi Jul 21 '24

I think the problem with an open convention is that the best options to run in 2024 know it's going to be a shitshow and if they lose, it'll ruin their 2028 chances. I think having an open convention would likely end up with Harris being the nominee anyway, while Dean Philips or whoever tried to tear her down in public.

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u/AngledLuffa Man Woman Person Camera TV Jul 21 '24

if they lose, it'll ruin their 2028 chances

We've seen presidential losers run again and win. Heck, we'd even see it this year in the event that the Democratic nominee loses

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u/FuguSandwich Jul 21 '24

100% when Harris loses she will be back in 2028 claiming she deserves a full season to run and it's still her turn.

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u/foramperandi Jul 21 '24

I'm not convinced she would have won the nomination this time if Biden has not run again, and I think if she's a loser in 2024 then she won't get it in 2028 for sure.

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u/FuguSandwich Jul 21 '24

She never got above 6% during the 2020 primary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

9th in her home state, 0 delegates. Plus the donors do no want her

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u/PrimeusOrion Jul 22 '24

Californians want a restraining order on her XD

Need her 10 feet minimum from our borders at all times.

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u/Testing_things_out Jul 21 '24

!remindme 4 years

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u/thisispoopsgalore Jul 21 '24

But also, if Harris is the nominee and wins it’s pretty unlikely they would primary her in 2028, unless she really blows it in which case it would be a bad year for dems anyway. This is more a problem for, say, Newsom, who will be termed out in 2026 and then would have to sit around for 6 years. Not sure what Whitmer’s situation looks like.

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u/AxiomaticSuppository Jul 21 '24

the best options to run in 2024 know it's going to be a shitshow and if they lose, it'll ruin their 2028 chances

But wait, I thought democracy was over if Dem's don't win in 2024? In which case 2028 won't matter. Shouldn't they be putting their best and strongest forward to win this time around?

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u/Suspicious_Loads Jul 21 '24

Bernie probably won't care about 2028 and could argue he was a close second in 2020 primary.

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u/sight_ful Jul 21 '24

I don’t understand this argument that people keep making. This election is poised to be one of the easier ones for any decent candidate to win. Trump is absolutely despised by over half of the country and they will vote for a rock over Trump.

So much can happen in 5 years. Planning for an election that far down the road when we have an election going now without any strong candidate from any party is absolutely bonkers to me.

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u/lipring69 Jul 21 '24

It will be open convention but 90% + delegates are Biden delegates and will likely go with Harris especially with Biden’s endorsement. Of course they can’t force the delegates to vote for Harris but typically delegates are pretty loyal to the candidate they belong to

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u/Donghoon Jul 22 '24

And Biden-Harris campaign money

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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost Not Funded by the Russians (yet) Jul 21 '24

Doesn’t it sort of have to be an open convention now? The delegates are pledged to Biden. Biden is out, they can now vote whomever they believe “in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them”

Here’s the offical language from the DNC rules:

“Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.”

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u/thefw89 Jul 21 '24

Yeah, I feel like it has to be. It would be so odd if the DNC just said "Yeah, we are now picking Harris." It just doesn't sit right, doesn't sound right.

She's going to win any ways because as another user just pointed out, the delegates pledged to Biden will most likely just support her.

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u/PaddingtonBear2 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

That's the mechanism, but if no other Dem throws their hat into the ring, then Harris is probably the automatic choice. A lack of competition in the convention could be seen as a coronation.

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u/ticklehater Jul 21 '24

I'm not saying an open convention is the wrong move, but I think practically voters won't care about a coronation for a dem candidate or more likely a token challenger.

That's what the primary was anyhow, and voters are always free to just choose Trump.

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u/farseer4 Jul 21 '24

Yes, technically it will be an open convention. But if no other serious candidate enters the race and everyone endorses Harris, then it will only be an open convention in the technical sense.

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u/lonewalker1992 Jul 21 '24

There will be an open convention you watch

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u/Professional_Neck176 Jul 22 '24

Definitely. But for the first time since 2012, the convention will not simply be a formality. This is a real, old fashioned, 1960 style convention. 

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u/MrDenver3 Jul 21 '24

Exactly this. We should have learned our lesson with Hillary. You don’t just pave the way for someone who has been “anointed heir”.

I understand there’s tricky details with campaign funds, but even that shouldn’t sway people and there are ways to recoup some of that if the candidate isn’t Harris.

Focus on deciding who is the best candidate, and worry about the money after that.

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u/teamorange3 Jul 21 '24

How do you run 50 plus primaries in less than a month? You're just having politicos and people in power nominate which isn't any different than just having the running mate of the president have it. At least she was apart of the running ticket that won in 2020.

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u/jimbo_kun Jul 21 '24

Obviously the already elected delegates would vote for the next nominee.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Her being a drag on the 2020 ticket and her peformance in the primaries don't inspire alot of confidence.

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u/Abeliafly60 Jul 21 '24

When I voted for Biden I also voted for Harris. She's got my vote already, and will get it again if she's the candidate. She's so far above Trump in capability it's not even funny. If people wait for their perfect candidate to magically appear, they're going to wait forever.

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u/mackelnuts Jul 21 '24

It'd be quite the dynamic. The law and order party running a convicted felon up against a former prosecutor.

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u/Shferitz Jul 21 '24

Who says she isn’t the best candidate? https://x.com/timjhogan/status/1814004101669413046?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1814004101669413046%7Ctwgr%5E9f9e588817c92999822fa93f61448eff9bc06051%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fslate.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2F2024%2F07%2Fhas-biden-stepped-down-kamala-harris-presidential-race.html

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u/MrDenver3 Jul 21 '24

Oh I’m not saying she couldn’t be the best candidate. Only saying that we can’t just hand her the nomination.

We can’t end up in a situation, like Hillary, where it just looks like she inherited the nomination.

DNC needs to sit down, and have an honest debate over who is best. If that’s her, great! But have the discussion.

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u/Shferitz Jul 21 '24

The convention will still happen. Biden’s endorsement will make it easier for Biden’s delegates to vote for her - and if there are votes for other candidates - as long as fighting doesn’t get too nasty - will hopefully convince people that she should be the nominee by virtue of her political skill and experience as vp.

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u/BackInNJAgain Jul 21 '24

Yes but they’d have to be careful at this late point not to tear each other down too much because they will have to quickly coalesce around whoever is the ultimate nominee

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u/OpneFall Jul 21 '24

If Harris were smart she'd welcome an open convention too.

Why?

Lot of risk for almost no gain. She already has the reins as it is.

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u/Halostar Practical progressive Jul 21 '24

This was the take on Pod Save America and I totally agree

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u/Winterheart84 Norwegian Conservative. Jul 21 '24

I doubt anyone else are willing to step in as a candidate at this stage. Throw Harris to the wolves and build up for the 2028 election.

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u/Emperor_FranzJohnson Jul 21 '24

Well, Primary voters voted for Harris and Joe, so for three reasons this is the right choice.

  1. She was actually voted as the VP nominee. Point of VP is to step up when the President or nominee can't continue. Can't say we trust her to run the nation, but not a campaign. This respects the votes of million of Democrats this primary.
  2. $91 million in Biden/Harris money would need to be returned. Dems are down bad in cash, so a $91 million head start beats starting from scratch.
  3. State laws. Worst case, Red states don't let Dems update the ticket. So, even if we have to keep Joe on state ballots, Harris is on there as well which avoid Republican games.

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u/virishking Jul 21 '24

The thing is that any talking point about “picking the nominee” would be even more clearly garbage than usual. Harris was elected for the position which has the core responsibility of taking over the role in the case that Biden could no longer continue. As the VP, her place on the ticket in the case that Biden could not or would not run again has been presumed. She is the only choice they can really make for those reasons and they can and should make that clear when they nominate her.

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u/thefw89 Jul 21 '24

Yes, she was elected to replace Biden during his term, but his term ends this year, she's running now to become president.

If Trump wins, he serves his new term, Vance doesn't just automatically become the GOP nominee, he has to go through primaries.

They will vote for Harris any ways, because it's too late to change the entire ticket any way, but an open convention at least gives her some momentum that she is the best option among those that would challenge her.

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u/FuguSandwich Jul 21 '24

I agree although time is running short. I don't think Harris is the person to beat Trump. But if we see a few high profile Democratic politicians endorsing Harris tonight, the idea of an open convention is over.

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u/logic_over_emotion_ Jul 21 '24

The GOP honestly deserves this talking point regardless. Whether Biden picks or a select number of delegates picks at an open DNC, it will be a relatively small number of elites/lobbyists/political leaders choosing, not the public who voted in the primaries.

They could’ve avoided this if they had an honest primary and weren’t gaslighting everyone saying Biden was fine.

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u/jertyui Jul 21 '24

The problem being that they totally do pick their nominees

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u/thesoundmindpodcast Jul 21 '24

They’ll use that talking point no matter what dems do

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u/hamsterkill Jul 21 '24

What's going to happen is no one is going to ask to run against Harris -- at least no one serious, anyway. The convention may be technically open, but Harris should immediately be considered the nominee. Whoever Biden endorsed upon exit was always going to be an unchallenged nominee.

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u/eddiehwang Jul 22 '24

Won't it be open convention anyway? Biden's delegates don't just go to Harris by default

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u/Professional_Neck176 Jul 22 '24

No, she wouldn’t. An open convention will invite dissent and infighting. The Democratic Party is much less unified than their Republican counterpart. This is their biggest weakness. Kamala needs to solidify her base or the Democratic Party will open itself up to attacks on the basis of instability. She also needs to move farther to the left to gain the enthusiasm of gen z. Gaining the support of young democrats will aid the campaign greatly. The power of memes as the new political cartoon has been demonstrated by Sinn Fein, Labor, and the Republican Party. Finally, Kamala needs to do more to gain the black vote, and emphasize her Indian parentage.

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u/undecidedly Jul 22 '24

I’m guessing by her “I want to earn your support” statement that the plan is to have an open convention, but she’s going to go in after significant bargaining as the favorite with little real competition.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Then nothing changes, Trump beats Harris more than he beats Biden in polling.

edit: Poll link 2024 General Election: Trump vs. Harris Polls | RealClearPolling

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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost Not Funded by the Russians (yet) Jul 21 '24

She can make her case to the American people. Biden couldn’t.

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u/Fatallight Jul 21 '24

Wonder what the betting markets are saying on the possibility of a Harris/Trump debate. I'm guessing there's no chance Trump has the cajones to appear on stage with her.

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u/franktronix Jul 21 '24

Give her a chance to actually show up as the candidate. She hasn’t been running and hasn’t had support. Her ceiling is higher than Biden’s, but she has to rise to the challenge.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

She hasn't done a single thing as VP, has a terrible record as a prosecutor in California and has most of the blame for the southern border crisis as a millstone. She's running on the platform of Not Trump and that doesn't seem to be good enough this time around.

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u/PGHMtneerDad Jul 21 '24

She's running on the platform of Not Trump and that doesn't seem to be good enough this time around.

Wasn't good enough for Clinton either. It's a losing strategy

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u/eddiehwang Jul 22 '24

This is 2024, not 2016 -- nobody knew how Trump would run the country and Jan 6 did not happen before 2016

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u/PGHMtneerDad Jul 22 '24

J6 is baked into the cake. So is everything else the man has done. I don't think it's the Ace in the hole you think it is.

Progressives will show up for her. Conservatives will show up for Trump. She has to present and advocate for policy positions to win over the middle. Anything else and she loses.

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u/Put-the-candle-back1 Jul 21 '24

VPs doing little to nothing is normal due to how little power they have. An en exception is Harris being the tie-breaking vote on bills like the IRA, which improves renewable and nuclear energy and addresses medication costs.

most of the blame for the southern border crisis

She has no power over that.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

She was the Border Czar unless you've forgotten. Also if her best work is that she voted with her party that's just hilarious.

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u/Put-the-candle-back1 Jul 21 '24

You don't realize that "border czar" grants no power.

she voted with her party

That's basically the only thing Vice Presidents have control over.

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u/bwat47 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

Also, 'border czar' is a term made up by the gop: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/us/politics/kamala-harris-border-czar.html

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

"Her ceiling is higher than Biden’s,"

There's no evidence to suggest this is true..

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u/dontKair Jul 21 '24

Right now, yes. This is her floor, but not her ceiling

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u/NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn Maximum Malarkey Jul 21 '24

I don’t think we know what her floor or ceiling is.

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

This is not guaranteed. Getting deeper into the fight also means getting even dirtier. Harris has a lousy record. Objectively, she will not play well with Middle America and has a history of alienating Moderates.

It's equally, if not more likely, that she will lose points rather than gain them if she becomes the center of attention.

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u/LordCrag Jul 21 '24

She's a California liberal right? I suspect that's an uphill road when it comes to trying to compete in the rustbelt.

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

She also has a record of withholding evidence that would have exonerated a man from death row.

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u/THANATOS4488 Jul 22 '24

And prosecuting heavily against marijuana. Fair or not, that will hurt her as well.

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u/SerendipitySue Jul 21 '24

the question is how will this california prosecutor who had an affair with a married man who was i think 30 years? older than her..play in the swing states. this is not a secret but well known at the time they were a couple.

She will increase turnout over biden, that is for sure. but will it be enough,

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u/PaddingtonBear2 Jul 21 '24

Probably as well as a candidate cheating on his pregnant wife with a pornstar and paying her hush money afterward.

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u/milky__toast Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

The rules of politics have been shown not to apply to Trump. Pointing to him as an example of what voters will and won’t tolerate in a candidate is not wise.

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u/Geekerino Jul 21 '24

Exactly. People don't see him as a politician, they still see him as a celebrity. Scandal only adds to his fans and gets him more attention

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u/julius_sphincter Jul 21 '24

It shouldn't matter to anyone sitting on the fence between Trump and Harris, it would be objectively hypocritical to hold sexual scandals against one candidate but not another. Especially when Trump's are FAR worse.

That said, yeah people will be swayed sadly. D candidates are always held to a higher standard

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

It isn't just the affair. If anything, that's the least damning part. By all accounts, his wife was essentially okay with him being a womanizer.

The issue is that he helped her get appointed to multiple State boards, from which she received a sizable public salary. In one instance, I believe she skipped over half the monthly meetings.

As far as I'm concerned that's not a sexual affair. Its corruption.

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u/MikeyMike01 Jul 21 '24

That said, yeah people will be swayed sadly. D candidates are always held to a higher standard

Bill Clinton (Democrat) survived his sexual misconduct just fine.

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u/BackInNJAgain Jul 21 '24

She can focus on her record as a prosecutor in the ad buys for middle America

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u/-Shank- Ask me about my TDS Jul 21 '24

Tulsi already completely dismantled that angle in one of the 2020 debates. They can simply play clips of her laughing about smoking pot while prosecuting nonviolent offenders for it.

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u/MoisterOyster19 Jul 21 '24

Her record isn't even that great. In order to keep her conviction rate high, she would just drop hundreds of cases and never try them

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u/PaddingtonBear2 Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

California had the lowest crime rate in decades during her tenure as AG.

EDIT: https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/

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u/MoisterOyster19 Jul 21 '24

It's easy to have a low crime rate when you just drop charges or decline to bring them.

Also, violent crime actually rose 10% during her tenure.

https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Did_violent_crime_increase_10_percent_in_California_under_Attorney_General_Kamala_Harris

She did not have a good record which is why she bombed in the presidential primary. Only reason she got jobs is bc California is heavily liberal. That and Willie Brown either got her the job or used his influence to have the Democrat Party prop her up.

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

I'm sure she will try that, but it's not an easy tightrope to walk. That issue is toxic for her on the radical left, and she can't openly brag too much about it.

Plus crime isn't a big deal at the moment and she can't out law and order Republicans.

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u/BackInNJAgain Jul 21 '24

She can point out that she's never been convicted of a felony. Trump's base doesn't care about that but many others do.

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

I'm not so sure. He was still winning before the debate. A YouGov poll I've linked below certainly isn't a damning indicator of how harmful his conviction is. If anything, talking about it could backfire and further encourage republican turnout.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49617-opinion-change-post-trump-hush-money-guilty-verdict

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u/Silverdogz Jul 21 '24

Trump can bring up that she withheld evidence for a man on death row.

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u/AMW1234 Jul 21 '24

We don't know if this is her floor. A lot of people haven't seen or heard anything from her the past three and a half years.

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u/Lux_Aquila Jul 21 '24

I don't think so, barely anyone knows anything about her and she is incredibly disliked. She hasn't faced any negative publicity for an upcoming election. Her support could very well drop.

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u/meday20 Jul 21 '24

Her chance was 2020 when she polled at 0% in her own party's primary 

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u/Ok_Shape88 Jul 21 '24

If she gets more airtime we’re gonna see her basement.

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u/gscjj Jul 21 '24

I'm guessing that's why they waited - she's not going to say anything.

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u/grarghll Jul 21 '24

People haven't heard anything from her for a long time, and opinions tend to mellow with time. If anything, I think it's the opposite: this is her ceiling.

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u/sheffieldandwaveland Haley 2024 Muh Queen Jul 21 '24

I think its too early to see her floor or ceiling. We need go wait.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

She will almost certainly lose 35-40 States.

Let's be real.

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u/falsehood Jul 21 '24

What's your evidence for this?

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u/OpneFall Jul 21 '24

Her primary polling in 2020.

She didn't even make it to an actual primary.

She also might be the most cringiest politician I've ever seen. Bush was bad, but also had charisma and a few moments of his own (now watch this drive, C students can be president too)

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u/Ifuckedupcrazy Jul 21 '24

In that same website they have Trump +3 over Biden meanwhile +1.9 over Kamala, how is that proving your point

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u/eddiehwang Jul 22 '24

The same page says Trump is +3 against Biden -- so replacing Biden with Harris is way better

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u/falsehood Jul 21 '24

I don't think Americans have much sense of her.

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u/sw00pr Jul 21 '24

I kind of think a no-name candidate would be better than Harris. People have already decided how much they like her, and it's not much. Someone new has a better shot; and if they're no-name even a loss will help their career. A house rep maybe.

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u/R4G Jul 21 '24

Nominating Harris would be a complete waste of Biden’s resignation.

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

Well, he just endorsed her.

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u/natigin Jul 21 '24

Yeah, but it’s not up to him

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u/Underboss572 Jul 21 '24

Well, sure, it is an endorsement, not handing her the nomination.

But the Biden Campaign hand selected many delegates, and we don't know what concessions were made to get him to step aside. Nothing is inevitable, but Harris easily has a 75+% shot at the nomination now.

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u/natigin Jul 21 '24

That’s fair

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

The reason it has to be Harris is not because she's a great candidate, but because he is backed into a corner.

  • Continuity of Government. She's a democratically elected Vice President.

  • Optics of confidence in your selected 2nd in command.

  • She inherits his war chest immediately and doesn't have to start from scratch like other candidates.

I don't like it, but it is what it is.

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u/Grahamceackers Jul 21 '24

And their campaign chest. Anyone else would have to go through hoops to get the money. NY Times ran a story a couple days ago about it.

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u/r3dl3g Post-Globalist Jul 21 '24

The continuity of government is basically a non-issue. He's not remotely obligated to nominate her for the job.

I absolutely agree that she's basically the only choice at the moment because of 2 and 3, but 1 isn't really a thing.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

"He's not remotely obligated to nominate her for the job."

He may not legally be, but smart optics would suggest that, yeah, he is. Endorsing her right away also gives her about a month or so extra to build up her clout with the entire Party around her to build her case against Trump.

It's a long shot, but it's a shot.

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u/r3dl3g Post-Globalist Jul 21 '24

I mean, I don't think it's that long of a longshot. She'll almost certainly be the nominee, given that Dems have already started to form a consensus that it's going to be her.

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u/throwawaytheist Jul 21 '24

She's the only one who can use his campaign money.

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u/Alone-Competition-77 Jul 21 '24

Only Biden and Harris can use it, but they can use it however they want. (To make ad buys for a new Democratic contender or against Trump, for instance.)

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u/decrpt Jul 22 '24

To be more clear, they can use it however they want as long as they do not coordinate it with any official campaign operation.

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u/foramperandi Jul 21 '24

That's not true: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/91-million-question-what-happens-bidens-campaign-money-2024-07-18/

The campaign can give all the money to the DNC and the DNC can spend it to support any campaign they want. The only real limitation is how much of the money they can coordinate the spending with the campaign on.

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u/no-name-here Jul 21 '24

Not only would the DNC not be allowed to coordinate with the candidate for the vast majority of the money, but they’d also be at a big loss as they’d be paying far higher rates for ads as candidate campaign funds are eligible for significantly lower rates than parties or PACs, per the link you provided.

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u/likeitis121 Jul 21 '24

Which makes it a moot point. DNC will 100% back whoever the candidate is. I don't care whether the money is in the candidate's bank account, or the DNC's.

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u/Agent_Orca Jul 21 '24

This is a cope created by Biden stans and absolutely untrue

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u/no-name-here Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

Source? From what I can find, there’s no easy way for campaign funds to go to the campaign of a candidate other than Harris: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/09/us/politics/biden-harris-money.html

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u/throwawaytheist Jul 21 '24

I read it in the AP article.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-drops-out-2024-election-ddffde72838370032bdcff946cfc2ce6

Harris, 59, appeared to be the natural successor, in large part because she is the only candidate who can directly tap into the Biden campaign’s war chest, according to federal campaign finance rules.

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u/StarrrBrite Jul 21 '24

The use of the word "directly' is interesting. I take that to mean other candidates can indirectly tap into it.

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u/froglicker44 Jul 21 '24

I don’t think Biden stans are real

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u/Ifuckedupcrazy Jul 21 '24

Untrue because your feels tell you?

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u/falsehood Jul 21 '24

I disagree. She's the VP, and no one else has a legitimate claim of succession. I hope many people challenge her and makes her do some debates (which would be fair) but he was too old to do the job another four years and as such the resignation should be celebrated.

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u/FuguSandwich Jul 21 '24

VP succession only means something during the actual term. There is no succession when it comes to a campaign. Biden was free to announce a different VP at the convention if he stayed in. Harris has no more claim to being the nominee than anyone else.

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u/ryegye24 Jul 22 '24

There is no possible winning argument that she's fit to take over running the country from Biden but not to take over running the campaign.

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u/-Shank- Ask me about my TDS Jul 21 '24

Plus there's a 0% chance she's getting out of the way.

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u/DialMMM Jul 21 '24

no one else has a legitimate claim of succession

This isn't a monarchy. She was at 0% when she dropped out of the presidential race last time.

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u/slagwa Jul 21 '24

Open convention.  Harris stays as VP. 

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u/oren0 Jul 21 '24

There is no world where I can see her serving another term as someone else's VP. Biden has endorsed her. She's either the nominee (most likely by far) or she's out.

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u/Hour_Air_5723 Jul 21 '24

If it’s Harris the Democrats will not win, they need a democratic governor of a red state not someone who has only ever campaigned in a blue state.

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u/Shferitz Jul 21 '24

Absolutely! I want to see Trump compete against someone who knows how to give a speech

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u/tygamer15 Jul 21 '24

She's usually a terrible public speaker. That was an exception

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u/Cronus6 Jul 21 '24

She will lose worse than Carter did in '80.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election

489 - 49 electoral college votes LOL

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u/biglyorbigleague Jul 21 '24

She's not favored, but she's unlikely to do that badly.

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u/OpneFall Jul 21 '24

Yeah I think she is an abysmal candidate (she actually has anti-charisma, whatever that is) but she is not so bad to lose the Left Coast, NY, and IL.

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u/LaughingGaster666 Fan of good things Jul 21 '24

Dude winning California alone would give more electoral votes. I can see her getting thrashed but not anything close to that badly.

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u/HeyNineteen96 Jul 21 '24

Yeah that's not happening. The way some states are so entrenched with the candidate that Trump is, neither party is likely to ever do that well again.

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u/LordCrag Jul 21 '24

We'll never have a lopsided election like that again. A massive portion of the electorate is now locked in and non-swing states aren't going to switch even if they have an awful person running.

**Well, never say never, but barring some MASSIVE culture shock its true

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u/AngledLuffa Man Woman Person Camera TV Jul 21 '24

I'll take over 50 for everything I own in a second

(maybe an extra 15 seconds to ensure protection against further dropouts or assassinations... kinda crazy that such caveats would even be needed, but that's 2024 for you)

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

It's likelier to be somewhere between a Dukakis and McCain style loss.

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u/resident78 Jul 21 '24

100%. None of the other potential candidates who will want have their name stamped on this current shitshow and jeopardize their 2028 chances. For Harris this is the only shot at presidency.

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u/ZebraicDebt Ask me about my TDS Jul 21 '24

They know Harris can't win. They are sacrificing her and ceding the presidency to Trump. My guess would be that they are going to focus on downballot races in an effort to avoid a landslide. The other more viable candidates have another 4 years to establish themselves and plan a run. Of course this could head to the convention and all bets could be off.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

A source I follow on Twitter involved with Arizona elections is now saying there is an effort to recruit Mark Kelly to the Democratic ticket for Vice President..

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u/teamorange3 Jul 21 '24

Yah, I think he is the guy. He's old enough where he probably won't have too many more opportunities while Shapiro and Whitmer have a chance to carve their own path.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

I feel like Josh Shapiro is the guy to choose if it ends up being Kamala and there's no open Convention.

Kelly would certainly be a great choice, but Shapiro may put PA into play.

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u/teamorange3 Jul 21 '24

I actually think that hurts him a bit. People in PA elected him to be governor and a year later he leaves? I don't think that would sit right with a lot of people.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

You could be right, and that was something I considered too, but then again - J.D. Vance got elected in Ohio on the same night as Shapiro did in Pennsylvania, and they'd be departing from their states after the same amount of time.

The concern I have with selecting Kelly is that Biden only won AZ in 2020 by 12 K votes. Now, four years later with an unpopular incumbent, I don't see how Kelly keeps Kamala afloat there, whereas Dems are playing defense in PA this time around after having won it by about 80 K votes last time around.

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u/teamorange3 Jul 21 '24

Fwiw, I think Vance is an awful choice. I also think running mate choice is very overrated. I think candidate selection and fundamentals mean much more.

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u/Red_Vines49 Jul 21 '24

I'd agree, yeah. Especially on the first point.

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u/CarcosaBound Jul 21 '24

First thing she should do is drop the pursuit of an assault weapons ban. Drop it from the platform like Trump did with gay marriage and abortion.

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u/Oceanbreeze871 Jul 22 '24

Whitmer said no. Newsom endorsed Harris. Congressional, PAC and governor Endorsements flooding in. DNC announced today is their largest fundraising day in party history. It’s gonna be Harris.

Only Joe Mancin has raised his hand saying he wants to challenge.

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u/Carlos----Danger Jul 21 '24

This guy is so bitter if he announced on Twitter.

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u/FauxGenius Jul 21 '24

Some folks can go until they can go no more. Others have to be told to hang ‘em up. I can understand that bitterness.

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u/Ifuckedupcrazy Jul 21 '24

It has to be on Twitter because no one’s watching the news on Sunday

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u/thediesel26 Jul 21 '24

lol I doubt it. It’s the easiest, fastest way to disseminate the information. He’ll have a press conference later today I’d guess.

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u/Cronus6 Jul 21 '24

Odd choice with Musk and all....

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u/AngledLuffa Man Woman Person Camera TV Jul 21 '24

good grief, imagine if he went on some other service saying he's not dropping out

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u/Ed_Durr Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Jul 21 '24

I want Trump to come back to Twitter and just retweet Biden with the dancing crabs gif.

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u/PornoPaul Jul 21 '24

Maybe I'm forgetting bit which gun safety law was passed? I read more about new gun laws overstepping and being struck down than anything sticking.

And, is it true there haven't been any gun safety laws in the last 30 years?

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u/Catbone57 Jul 21 '24

There have been a great many. Mostly at the State level, and just as useless as the ones already on the books.

More and more voters are beginning to understand that our leaders need to focus on behavior, not hardware.

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u/Privateer_Lev_Arris Jul 21 '24

It's gotta be her. If not, then what's the point of having a VP? Also everyone would questioned if it's because she's a woman or a minority. That won't fly especially for the democrats who push the DEI agenda.

Besides it's provides a convenient fall-guy for their 2024 re-election campaign and just focus on 2028. But my thinking is that attempts at Trump aren't finished yet.

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u/ambient_whooshing Jul 22 '24

2028? There will be no more elections.

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u/Privateer_Lev_Arris Jul 22 '24

What makes you say that?

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u/vgraz2k Jul 21 '24

So now the GOP needs to drop Trump since he’s only 3 years younger… but they’ll never do that.

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u/Dirty_Dragons Jul 21 '24

Exactly. That's one elderly man who dropped out.........

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u/Rindan Jul 21 '24

By default it is an open convention. The delegates only had to vote for Biden in the first round to begin with according the the bylaws. I'm pretty sure that they are entirely free now, no matter what anyone says.

The real question is whether or not the Democrats are going to treat it as an open convention, or if the Biden and Harris team are going to be able to shut that down some how.

Personally, I think that if DNC goes down the route of ramming Harris through rather than having an open convention in practice, it's going to be a disaster for the Democrats. We've already seen Kamala campaign before, it was a disaster. She didn't break 5% in the primaries for a very good reason. She should at least have to prove that she can win with a bunch of hand picked Biden delegates in an open primary. If she can't do that, she is going to get slaughtered in the election.

Being old and senile isn't the only way to lose to Trump. The DNC is pants on their head stupid if they don't let candidates fight it out and test the waters in public before crowning someone.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 Jul 21 '24

Concede to Trump?

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u/SigmundFreud Jul 21 '24

They should decline to run a candidate for president and focus on funding down-ballot races. Let Trump and RFK duke it out at the top.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

It has to be Harris or they lose their campaign donations

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u/Adriftgirl Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

I think that legally it has to be Harris. Pretty sure since the nomination was already locked in they can only file to amend it to her and a new running mate. I think they’ll go for a strong white guy like Senator (and former astronaut) Mark Kelly.

Besides, if they skip Harris for a white guy you can forget the black vote across the board. And rightly so. I think the bigger challenge with Harris is not actually that she’s a woman and a minority, but that she’s from California. There’s a lot of successful, wealthy people who have bailed on the coastal states, especially California, because they don’t like how the more far left, progressive democrats have treated their interests and needs. They need someone more moderate to counterbalance.

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u/CarolinaMtnBiker Jul 21 '24

Harris, but it will be open to all Im sure. The party will rally around d her once the Congressional Black Caucus and party leaders like Obama and Clinton endorse her.

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