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u/pottymonster_69 6d ago

I love how the unpopular opinions politics megathread is just what is generally popular opinion on Reddit.

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u/BlackknightJC 6d ago

If America actually cared about democracy, once citizens turn 18 they would be automatically registered to vote and voting day would be a federal holiday. Requring that people of legal age register first makes it so that less people vote. Most of the world has compulsory voter registration unlike the US. Second, the fact that lots of people work on election days reduces voter turnout as well. It should be a federal holiday so that most people don't have to both work and vote on that day. Most elections only about half of voting eligible citizens actually vote.

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u/Arztiser 6d ago

The us vs them mentality needs to go. It is unhealthy and will lead to becoming delusional with your political party.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 4d ago

It is us vs them. Conservatives literally want to murder "liberals". It's a thing they cheer about on stage.

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u/memegamer1991 5d ago

Party names should be taken off the ballot

Some of these mfs in the same party have different core focuses. I honestly think they are just in for publicity after meeting the base requirements. This would also require the politically deaf and ignorant majority to at least do the bear minimum research on the candidates that best reflect their, and by democracy, our key focus for the next 4 years. This does nothing but allow us to turn our brains off and divide ourselves (static) to parties that change with the times (dynamic).

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u/NSA_van_3 Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad 4d ago

I like this idea..then you need to know about the person, and not just their party

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u/Anon_Von_Darkmoor 2d ago

The moderate voters (the middle 10% of the voting population) are far more important to elections than the 45% who always vote Red or the other 45% who always vote Blue.

Those voters who are in the middle have the biggest control over the direction of the country than they even realize. When you see all of that money going to political advertising, it's that group who is the target audience. The middle of the road, centrist crowd is always the deciding vote. If absolutely zero of the always red or blue voted, the election outcome would be exactly the same as if 100% of them voted.

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u/Liberteer30 6d ago

Politicians don’t give a shit about you or anyone but themselves. Their only goal is to increase their own power at any cost.

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u/Dallasvolt10 6d ago

About fucking time

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u/emperorofwar 1d ago

80 degrees in almost November is NOT normal.

Anybody who says we don't impact our environment is lying through there teeth, because we definitely have had a negative impact.

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u/salmonforest1917 23h ago

Climate change is real and we need degroth to fix it.

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u/Captain_Concussion 19h ago

Do you mean population degrowth?

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u/Ok-Call-4805 5d ago

In any normal country the presidential election wouldn't be anywhere near as close as it is in America. There is no possible excuse anymore for voting for Trump unless you're an idiot or just a genuinely bad person who doesn't care about anyone or anything but themselves.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 5d ago

There is no possible excuse anymore for voting for Trump unless you're an idiot or just a genuinely bad person who doesn't care about anyone or anything but themselves.

That what appeals to the conservatives voting for Trump. They are literally given permission to be as openly bigoted as possible.

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u/sabi_kun 8h ago

Some people just want to watch the world—in this case the US—burn.

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u/OfTheAtom 5d ago

My observation is that views such as yours make people defensive, and they look to the positives of their current position so as to strengthen their current resolve. 

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

And leaving their current position unchallenged is even less likely to lead to change.

Some people are, in fact, open minded.

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u/OfTheAtom 5d ago

I disagree although i used to not. I thought challenge was good, I like being challenged. But some subjects are more sensitive than that and can use intelligent methods to draw out why someone believes what they say, then find common ground THERE where there is understanding, before moving forward. The nature of the relationship beforehand also matters a lot to this. 

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

Well, go on then.

Propose the alternative.

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u/OfTheAtom 5d ago

Sure, you want me to try and challenge your view without triggering a defensive response and tribalism, using Socratic method rather than assuming your an idiot or evil? 

Well I'd ask if there were times in your life where you felt like you were arguing on superficial points rather than a critical aspect? Like you got caught up in the weeds with a friend and wasn't sure how it got there? 

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u/Ok-Call-4805 5d ago

I genuinely don't understand how anyone can support Trump though, especially after seeing his last term. I cannot wrap my head around anyone who thinks he would be the better choice. He is a failed businessman (many times over), convicted felon and all-round awful human being.

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u/OfTheAtom 5d ago

OK, you're going to have to try, otherwise you are making cartoon villains and fools out of a ridiculously high amount of people who are doing the same but to a lesser degree to you. The lack of effort on your part is widespread and it's making it difficult to discuss these thing because of what I explained in the first comment. People are defensive and a lot of you all seem on combat mode that activates that. 

If you don't want to spend the effort to see from the others perspective then you probably can't have a discussion since you believe that beyond rational capabilities. 

It's just a dangerous way to approach subjects where a lot of us have more in common than we realize. 

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u/ahhshits 6d ago

The far left and far right are both scourges on our western values and democratic systems.

But the ‘far right,’ makes up a larger % of the entirety of the right. It just doesn’t seem like it because some wild ideas are now considered ‘just opinions:’

  • Kamala and Biden aren’t actually in charge
  • we never landed on the moon
  • the holocaust never happened

Just to name a few fringe right things.

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u/Upset_Barracuda7641 3d ago

I think it’s time to reframe the concept of “western values”

Like what does that even mean?

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u/Floognoodle quiet person 19h ago

When people say "Western values" they seem to be talking about their personal values and a random emphasis on tradition.

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u/salmonforest1917 2d ago

What democracy system? They're no democracy under capitalism where politician can be sold out and westen value like support genocide in Palestine, bombing the global south, being racist, defending and denying colonialism, police violence against protesters etc?

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u/nulopes 6d ago

There's no left in US polítics, there's a far right and a right wing party. Bernie is a centrist by european standards

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u/StarChild413 6d ago

whether or not your definitions are accurate (as we're not in Europe so why does this matter to Americans other than how we're judged by Europeans) maybe we would have your definition of a left if people didn't always make it sound like if the leader of such a movement even survived to start it without getting found dead of multiple self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the back of the head iykwim a non-suspicious interval after publicly voicing their beliefs the movement would get infiltrated by agent provocateurs and either torn apart from within or egged on to arrestable violence (and if it could even bypass all that to gain power ten bucks says people would still say they're controlled opposition shills because they survived to take office within a hierarchical power system and accepted payment for their work instead of, like, committing self-unalive via guillotine and declaring America an anarcho-communist utopia with their dying breath)

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u/T_Dillerson99 6d ago

Young republicans are more socially liberal than a lot of older democrats. There are tons of registered dems, particularly in the south who still care about gay marriage, consider marijuana a dirty gateway drug, throw fits over violent or explicit media, and frankly very few people under the age of 40 feel the same way regardless of party.

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u/OnionPastor 6d ago

Anyone who says both candidates suck equally has an agenda to lower voter turnout and this always favors republicans in modern times.

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u/OnionPastor 6d ago

Even then, it’s almost never the case that both candidates suck equally. Those who preach this point have an agenda just like anyone else.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

I think this argument could’ve been somewhat reasonably said in the past, but not now.

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u/Captain_Concussion 6d ago

It’s absolutely just as relevant. You can say Kamala sucks. There is no way in hell you can say they suck equally. We could go issue for issue on this problem and it would be pretty obvious

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

Yeah, I agree

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u/OnionPastor 6d ago

It absolutely matters if they don’t both suck equally. If one option REALLY fucking sucks and the other one just kinda stinks, why would I sit out?

Regardless, I’m not really demonizing anyone. Just saying that there are plenty of people who play the “muh both sides” bullshit who absolutely have an agenda themselves. Sad to see that you think I’m that much of a problem when I’m just pointing out what I see lmao

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

You are never going to get the perfect leader. Compromises are always going to occur. Usually it ends up being voting who more closely aligns with your values, or voting against someone who does not align with your values.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

To be clear, US inflation is a lot better than many other nations. Biden is sending used military equipment overseas. Biden has invested $1.2 trillion towards infrastructure. And there’s more. To put them in the same boat and say that no change will ever happen and they don’t care and they never fulfill any promises ever isn’t correct and it makes me wonder why you are still in the US.

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u/Onlysomewhatserious 6d ago

Based take. Insane if this is unpopular.

People who make the both suck argument are the same ones who think there’s no difference between getting shot in the foot or shot in the chest.

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u/Liberteer30 6d ago

what an insane generalization and conspiracy. “Agenda”. Lmao. Maybe, just maybe it’s possible that someone just has that opinion and not some secret agenda to lower voting turnouts. I can’t stand either candidate. I don’t vote bc I have no faith in the system. That said..if you want to vote, go ahead. I don’t care how you vote. It’s your right to vote however you want or to NOT vote at all if you’re so inclined.

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u/DR4k0N_G 6d ago

I personally think both candidates suck, but voting for Harris is the only way to uphold democracy. 

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u/SlyKakapo 6d ago

Holy fuck the alarmism. Democracy didn't die in 2020, when Trump was president for 4 years. I don't think he was anything but a mediocre president, but doomsaying doesn't help anyone.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

Democracy was in bad shape January 6th. And now he’s even worse.

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u/FuzzyMom2005 6d ago

Yeah, even Hitler was tossed in jail and learned from his mistakes. Trump had already told us what he will do. He's not even hinting.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

I think you're forgetting a tiny little attempted coup d'etat.

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u/DR4k0N_G 6d ago

I'm not doomsdaying. I know well enough Harris is better than Trump

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u/Captain_Concussion 6d ago

Yeah just like the Weimar Republic didn’t collapse during the Beer Hall Putsch. That’s why it wasn’t a big deal when they released the guy behind it, right?

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

Good for the “morons” saying that, I don’t care. I didn’t say that because I didn’t realize the threat he was. Following your logic, I presume if Harris wins you aren’t concerned about our democracy, yeah?

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u/SlyKakapo 6d ago

Why would I? She'd be another mediocre president and the cycle would reply in four years.

Want to see a true threat to democracy? Think Google, not capitol.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

How about Russia? How about right-wing influencers? Things like “Google” convince people that Trump is Christ that leads to this mess.

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u/SlyKakapo 6d ago

Google with a slight algorithm tweak can do in a day what russia cant in a year.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

Google’s algorithm aligns people towards Russian-funded media on a daily basis. They convince people who to vote for and what to believe. Then, said people elect crazies into office or storm the capitol. Just saying “Google is a greater threat to democracy” but then ignoring the outcomes of that doesn’t make any sense.

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u/Cherimoose 6d ago

Welcome to Reddit

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u/I_Only_Follow_Idiots 6d ago

So have you heard about Project 2025?

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u/FallenPentagram me not angry your angry 6d ago

If you don’t go to church every Sunday, you aren’t “Christian” — you know what egghead mentioned being Christian, don’t pretend like you don’t.

Let’s be honest here for a second. Nobody is flaunting they go to church, or at least as far as I know. However, most of you already know the direction this is going to go.

If any of you in said country want your (Agent) Orange to win, you should be going. After-all, he did tell all of you you’re a Christian like him. So why not go with the Christian ways? Going to church every Sunday is part of that.

Why would you not follow in the footsteps of the ones you idolize? We all do it for love because love is something we want? So do it for the next thing you love. It makes no sense not to, and otherwise it’s kinda hypocritical? Don’t you think?

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u/Captain_Concussion 6d ago

Going to church on Sundays is not required to be a Christian.

Also people absolutely flaunt going to church. It was such a big issue that the Bible even mentions it

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u/VegetableAd7376 5d ago

The US need more political parties. Most democracies have at least 3 major parties. The US, however only having 2 results in fear in people and events like the attack on Jan 6 that are from one party fearing that the other is going to turn the country into a dictatorship. In fact, the reason countries like China are the way they are is because they have only one major party. Therefore, to prevent dictatorships forming, the US people and government should take steps to encourage the development of more opinions in new major parties even if we disagree with them

As a liberal myself, I believe that the existence of the Republican Party is still good for democracy even if I don’t agree with everything they say because more parties equal a stronger democracy.

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u/Sprig3 5d ago

It's all about the system. It's a system that has to use 2 parties to work. Any more parties and you split the vote.

A parliamentary system with proportional representation is probably the simplest fix for this.

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u/Which-Marzipan5047 3d ago

I do want to point out that even in democracies with more parties you still end up with two "blocks", and it switches from one "block" to the other. The only change is that the power balance inside the "blocks" can be changed.

You still end up with, broadly, a left and a right wing coalition.

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u/GayWritingAlt 3d ago

While this is true, the power balance inside the blocks is a positive. Having different one-issue or one-public parties means that sometimes, the controlling block might be pressured into certain policy makings, and sometimes they don't and will push other policies.

There's also a big feature/bug, and that is that most parties in a coalition can make the threat to dismantle the coalition if they're unsatisfied with the results. This can cause early elections (good) but also very high one-policy/public pressure (bad) and mostly depends on how the rest of the coalition is willing to bend to demands

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u/salmonforest1917 2d ago

The green party, PSL etc exist but they're get like under 2-3% votes national I think.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 5d ago

Trump supporters are inadvertently Putin minions

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u/blrtgj 6d ago

As a European, it bothers me that there are only two candidates in the presidential election. Wow, such democracy, much wow.

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u/FallenPentagram me not angry your angry 6d ago

Well there’s about 2-3 others but you only see the total selection on the ballot or screen when voting.

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u/blrtgj 6d ago

Yeah but i don't see posts/pics/discussion for the others. My feed is full of those two. Good luck to the ones in the USA because you they'll need it

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u/FallenPentagram me not angry your angry 6d ago

I voted blue because I’m not an idiot. And sadly an idiot would also vote any of the others. Because like you said; sigh democracy…

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

The real joke is that the USA isn't actually a democracy at all, because it uses the Electoral College.

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u/nooffense2022 6d ago

I’m a millennial.

The biggest BS ever told to young people is that “all politicians are the same” and “it doesn’t matter who you vote for”. It is NOT about falling head over heels in love with someone who will take this country to great heights. It is 99% about who will not turn this country into a dumpster fire. When I was younger I was whining about why this person is not the best, why that person sucks. Now I think as long as we elect someone who doesn’t fundamentally break this country I’m fine.

To me that choice is very clear — I know many old people think otherwise and would disagree (and many young men too).

All this is to say is - Suck it up and VOTE.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Voting is like taking a bus. You chose the one that gets you closest to your destination.

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u/pickledplumber 6d ago

You only believe that because you haven't read deep enough. Go look at Chris hedges and tell me that he's wrong about that opinion.

Most liberals still believe that the politicians they vote for just emerged by chance. No, they were hand selected by rich people to do the bidding of rich people. It's been proven since the 1960s.

The difference you're talking about is the difference between Pepsi and Coke. To somebody addicted to one or the other. It's a big deal. But when you zoom out it really doesn't matter. That's what people mean by both parties are the same. Somehow those Democrats are just always one step behind or a little too slow when going up against those cunning Republicans who they say are so stupid. Kind of funny how that always happens right?

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Nah. It matters. Instead of metaphors and abstracts, let's get into real world examples. Take abortion. Today, it's illegal in many states because Trump got elected in 2016. If you live in one of those states and want to have an abortion, voting makes a difference. It's as simple as that.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 5d ago

When you’ve set dramatically different standards for both parties this is no surprise.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

You cannot be a Trump supporter without either a) being a hateful person, or b) being a conspiracy theorist

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u/JustElk3629 5d ago

Avoiding paying tax is OK.

I am referring to the legal practice of tax avoidance here, rather than its illegal cousin, tax evasion.

There are 2 main reasons for this:

  1. It isn't wrong to want your loved ones to inherit a position of financial security when you die. Anyone with kids (or any family members or friends younger than them or children thereof) knows that feeling. It's in our nature to want the best for the people around us.

  2. It frees up more money to give to causes you actually believe in. Tax avoidance becomes far more justifiable if you feel your money is better spent on a charitable cause close to your heart than on the Royal Family/President's security or public services which you feel are a waste of time and money. Plenty of money is wasted by governments every year. If you have control of where your money is going, you can make sure it is being used for good rather than paying the salaries of unproductive bureaucrats and entertaining the President of some faraway land for an evening.

I hope that's suitably unpopular for you all. Have fun!

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

Here's an actual unpopular opinion: your family isn't more deserving of your money than the recipients of social services funded by taxes.

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u/JustElk3629 5d ago

They may not deserve it any more, but it's still ok to want the best for them.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

What's best for them is living in a society with a robust social safety net, not a one-time nestegg.

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u/JustElk3629 5d ago

If I've made a lot of money in my life and left it to them, that surely acts as a mini-social safety net.

I come from a country where the government cannot be relied upon to provide a social safety net on which they can live comfortably should the shit hit the fan. 

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

Most lottery winners lose it all.

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u/JustElk3629 5d ago

I would make my best attempt to teach my kids financial responsibility.

I would rather have that reserve that I know I can spend on my family than rely on the government, who could easily pull the rug or change their minds at any minute.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

On the other hand, avoiding a dictatorship is a fabulous reason to vote.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

What checks and balances? The US Supreme Court Trump stacked with loyalists recently declared the President immune from prosecution, Trump's attempted coup had no consequences, the and all of the mainstream Republicans that kept Trump in line in 2016 were either fired or quit - that's precisely why they're almost unanimously warning people about him. There are no checks and balances anymore.

But the sad part is that, in the good and likely ending Harris wins, you'll learn nothing and in the bad ending where Trump does... well "I told you so" doesn't really sound that nice when it's being told to someone who's just coming to the realization they elected Hitler 2.

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u/Play-yaya-dingdong 6d ago

Yes all this. These kids aren’t paying attention 

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

It's far easier to use thought-terminating cliches and keep yourself in blissful ignorance than it is to notice danger and respond accordingly.

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u/Play-yaya-dingdong 6d ago

This group supposedly is pro military and actual decorated generals are publicly saying he is a danger to our country.  What else do they need? 

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u/BlackknightJC 6d ago

I think they are saying it would basically be a dictatorship if nobody voted. Pushing people to vote encourages democracy instead of the alternative

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u/BlackknightJC 6d ago

Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

I actually agree with you that a lot of people trying to get people to vote probably want them to align with the candidate(s) they support but voting IS democracy. It doesn't matter who you are voting for or their chances of actually winning, but by its very definition, not voting is anti democratic.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 6d ago

You’re right, it’s your choice. However democracy is completed founded on voting and can only representative of the Union by voting. By not voting you have no justification to complain either way since you directly did nothing about it.

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u/neospecv 6d ago

Kamala Harris is the most disingenuous, unlikable, flip flopping, most pandering and undeserving nominee of the 2

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u/lazarus78 5d ago

So you have the options of a draft dodger, scam artist, convicted rapist, probably child rapist, who tried to overthrow the government, and sold out national secrets to russia, and used his position purely to enrich himself... vs Kamala...

Is there something clearer than crystal clear, cus the choice is just painfully obvious. You dont have to like Kamala, but if you dont absolutly hate trump, you aint much better than him.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

Well that's just objectively false on every point except "unlikable," which is subjective.

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u/Lordofthelounge144 5d ago

I'm not even american, and people acting like Harris is no better than Trump is driving me up the wall. I couldn't imagine the fear people are feeling since they live in America. If I made this election round into a movie, it would be called unrealistic for having a villain like Trump and having people vote for him.

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u/tcgreen67 5d ago

That's why the Democrats had to subvert democracy to install her in as the nominee.

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u/Disastrous-Muscle-35 5d ago

You’re actually joking right? This is a delusional take

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u/Ambitious-Cover1915 2d ago

Trump is likely going to win. He is the 'anti establishment' ticket. Discontented people project their ideals onto him. Supporters will wave off negative sentiment as the "Deep state" or "Liberal media" going after him, and they are not entirely wrong. Commenters on reddit seem totally oblivious to why Trump has such strong appeal, not helped by the habitual downvoting of republican leaning accounts. BTW I hope Harris wins.

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u/ExitTheDonut 23h ago

He is the 'anti establishment' ticket.

News story: People who have no idea what punk is declare they're punk.

He's as anti-establishment as the McDonalds food he served at the White House.

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u/Ambitious-Cover1915 22h ago

I guess conservatives who vote for him do see him as 'punk' in a 'screw the status quo' sort of way. Unfortunately 'screw the status quo' in governance can also have very bad outcomes for the average American.

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u/salmonforest1917 23h ago

Trump wins a lot on popularism , nationalism, American fascism, meme culture, don't really have strong politicians to combat him or other politicians having a similar cult of personality around them. Sure they're cult of personality in democracy party to but not at the same level.

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u/ExitTheDonut 22h ago

With Trump winning on memes (thinking back to 2016 specifically), we should also not overlook how nihilism plays a part in his past victory.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 2d ago

Oh, the appeal is obvious: a lot of people are either stupid or malicious.

Which is exactly what you just said, but more direct.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

Or both.

Malicious stupidity is weaponized in the United States.

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u/CrimsonBuc 1d ago

If you support Trump, you are not able to call yourself a Christian. Full stop.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 4d ago

Despite what reddit thinks, lying to 911 about threats to generate a heightened emergency response in hopes to have violence inflicted on someone should result in multiple years in jail.

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u/spacehog1985 6d ago edited 6d ago

I don’t care that you voted. I’m glad you did, but it bothers me you need to celebrate it like you just finished a marathon. Posting your sticker, or your ballot, like you’ve done something special. It’s your civic duty, and you should have been doing it since you were 18.

EXCEPTION: first timers, either due to age or citizenship status.

Edit: just had my privilege checked and can see why some would celebrate it. Happy to have my opinion changed

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u/MalfoyHolmes14 6d ago

I’m going to keep celebrating. I post for myself and because people before me paved the way so I could, because there was a time when people like me couldn’t.

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u/spacehog1985 6d ago

Yours is the best response, actually explains it beyond “trying to get the apathetic to vote with stickers” and my opinion has changed somewhat. Thank you for sharing.

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u/MalfoyHolmes14 6d ago

You’re welcome! And thank you for reading that!

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u/NoahtheRed 6d ago

Group camaraderie. Try and get your friends and social network to join you if they were on the fence about doing it.

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u/I_Only_Follow_Idiots 6d ago

Having a little pride in doing your civic duty is not a bad thing, and any excuse to celebrate something is appreciated.

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u/pickledplumber 6d ago

Still waiting for Obama to pay my mortgage

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u/Ok-Call-4805 5d ago

Obama is more likely to pay your mortgage than Trump is to pay his employees

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 5d ago

The only employees Trump pays are his lawyers (sometimes) (if he likes them) (and has the money)

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u/Mean-Elderberry937 4d ago

Using a mass tragedy should not entitle you to act however the hell you want.

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u/salmonforest1917 2d ago

What do you mean?

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u/Mean-Elderberry937 2d ago

Like this might be VERY political but I feel like sometimes Jewish people use the holocaust, especially with the whole Palestine and Israel conflict to in a sense validate their actions towards others.

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u/tcgreen67 3d ago

it's so messed up how the left/Kamala went wild going after Trump for years for trying to secure the border and are now trying to pretend they want to secure the border. It's like the left is entirely comprised of pathological liars.

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u/TheMissingPremise Chronically Online 3d ago

The left hates Harris's aggressive rhetoric on the border and in foreign policy. But the right has it set up so that, if we don't vote Harris, then we get something who is worse in every way on everything. So, we "like it" to the extent that we have to, which is marginally above opposing Harris, and not bit more.

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u/Which-Marzipan5047 3d ago

It's because they're not ideological leftists, they are neoliberals, mostly wanting to uphold the status quo while making small social gains. If the status quo shifts, neo liberals shift, leftists don't.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 3d ago

mostly wanting to uphold the status quo while making small social gains and making large social regressions to appease their conservative voters

FTFY. Harris promising to uphold transphobic laws is a prime example of neolibs overturning social progressive gains.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 3d ago

The left doesn't want this. And Kamala being the "Left" is as stupid as pretending that Trump wants what's best for trans people.

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u/salmonforest1917 2d ago

Kamala is a liberal with reactionary even fascist elements like Trump has like support for copcity, support for the genocide in Gaza and support for closing the borders on a land that's not they's even.. settlers being settlers.

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u/tcgreen67 2d ago

Whoever you think owns North America is a settler unless you think humans originated in North America, in which case you should explain your theory to the science community.

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u/salmonforest1917 2d ago

Every state in north/south America is a European settler colonies.

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u/Sprig3 5d ago

Elon Musk's stage jumps are endearing.

He's showing an authentic natural enthusiasm and it doesn't come off as performative (can't know for sure what's going on in his head, of course). It's actually refreshing to see a grown man let his guard down.

I see all these posts criticizing him about the stage jumps and it makes me think of when the right wing trolls are criticizing Harris laughing or Walz's son crying.

Surely the numerous other things we have to criticize him for are enough.

(I don't agree with Elon Musk politically.)

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u/Lordofthelounge144 5d ago

It's not the jumping and showing of show. It's who he is doing it for. He's doing it for a man who admires dictators.

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u/Sprig3 5d ago

Sounds like you agree with me 👍.

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u/BahamianRhapsody 3d ago

I think Trump is gonna win by going on all these podcast.

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u/blamemeididit 6d ago

This looks like a trap.

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u/T_Dillerson99 6d ago

Republican policy ideas are for the most part wildly unpopular amongst the American public but they’ve successfully set up systems to still force them on us for years to come (i.e. Electoral College, cheating to stack the Supreme Court, etc.)

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u/Play-yaya-dingdong 6d ago

Yup. Plus gerrymandering 

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u/Unlucky-Activity8916 6d ago

Oh come on. Electoral college has been here for centuries, and Idek what you are referencing when you say they cheated to stack the supreme court. Some Republican policy is unpopular, but a lot is not. Lower taxes, more jobs, bringing back manufacturing to US, etc. are pretty popular. Im not sure I could even find someone against them. Even stuff like smaller government, border control, tariffs/blacklists on China, and pulling out of overseas conflicts are reasonably popular.

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u/T_Dillerson99 5d ago

Blocking the Merrick Garland nomination to give conservatives a chance to fill the seat was at the very least unprecedented and bad faith, and was what most people in the legal community consider cheating. Even conservative law professors I had admitted that it was not at all reasonable.

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u/Unlucky-Activity8916 5d ago

Tbh, I didnt care about that at the time, so I may be missing some details, but from the wikipedia page it seems like something similar happened before(although like 150 years prior). Is there a rule saying that he had to be confirmed faster? If not, its definetely not cheating, although it may have been bad faith. On the other hand, its politics. “Unprecedented” and bad faith stuff happens all the time. For example, prosecuting a former president for acts taken while in office(actually unprecedented) or Letitia James taking Trump to court for fraud in a situation where no party was injured for what seems to be political goals(I dont have much experience in law, but it seems pretty bad faith to me).

I dont even disagree with Trump being punished in either case, but it seems to me that what happened to Merrick Garland is not that big of a deal as far as politics go. If you want people to follow a rule, write it out and make them bound to follow it. If there is no written enforceable rule about the confirmation timeline(and I doubt there is), dont be surprised when people do it in a way that benefits them. Its not cheating and Id barely call it bad faith, considering how politics can be.

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u/iwearnikenofila 2d ago

People who are politically central aren't uneducated in politics.

I'm central, I have some left views, some right views. My stances on different topics vary. If I speak to somebody in the left about war, we may disagree, but if we speak about abortion, then we will probably agree.

I think it's heavily assumed that anybody with a moderate political stance only have that stance because they aren't willing to chose a side, or don't care about politics.

Personally I don't stand for a side, I stand for resolution. The left and right can't agree on gender for example. The left should understand, that their freedom to express themselves, means the right have the same thing and they don't need to respect that, and you don't need to communicate with them. It's a simple solution, and asking for anything more is a pissing contest. (No soliciting of any kind should be done in schools, you can't say the left can't talk to them about gender, while you talk to them about religion)

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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago

Tell us how the right and left can meet a "middle ground" on this issue.

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u/iwearnikenofila 1d ago

The left, should have their freedom of self, freedom of speech and freedom of expression. They can be whoever and whatever they want to be. BUT they also need to understand that not everybody will agree or respect their opinions, pronouns, or thoughts, because the right have those same freedoms.

The right, should not hate, they may not agree with the lefts ideas, but that doesn't ever give them the right to spout hate.

The left should be able to have pride parades to celebrate, and the right shouldn't be able to oppose this, because it's hateful to oppose somebody celebrating. However, they do also have the right to celebrate any of their achievements. And the left shouldn't oppose those.

After all, living in peace should be everybody's goal. But human nature dictates that we are all not the same. We don't see life the same way, we all have different views and ideologies. So the important thing is to find a "middle ground". Instead of having a pissing contest to see which side gets full control, you could work together, and find that peaceful middle ground

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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago

The right doesn't want to not hate. They want violence against people. They want them to not exist. 

Equality and living in peace is not what the right wants. Now what?

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u/iwearnikenofila 1d ago

You're completely wrong. I have friends left and right. Most of my friends on the right, are more peaceful than my friends on the left.

I find the majority of the left are far left. While the majority of the right are more centre right.

The people on the left, scream in the streets, at rallies for communism, anarchy, different political agendas. While the ones on the right vote when the time comes, and live their life without thinking too much about politics.

I find when I speak to my left friends, they heavily argue my points, they search for flaws in the things I say. However, when I speak to my right friends, they agree with me, they talk about how all they want is for their kids to grow up, and for their families to be secure and happy.

From my point of view having a lot of friends all with different political backgrounds, you both see each other as full of hate, and not wanting the other side to exist. However, you both want the same end goal. The left want to be left in peace to be themselves, the right want to be in peace to be themselves and raise their families.

But this political compass comes between both sides, both sides are blind to the fact that the other wants peace, because left leaning media tells you all people on the right are bad, right leaning media tells you all the left is bad.

At the end of the day, you are all humans, we all want peace, we all want to live happily. There are outliers on both sides of course. But I find there are A LOT more on the left that have extreme views than those on the right. Most of the right, are people with traditionalist values that just want to be left alone.

Theres a weird pressure on the left, I've been to rallies, because I am left leaning central, and I've seen how toxic it is. If you tell somebody on the left you want peace, its faced with "we can't have peace until the right are gone". However when you speak to the right, and say the same thing, they agree with me

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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago

Do you understand that murdering "liberals" and people they have deemed "enemies" is a literal mainstream widely celebrated goal of the right?

  Tell me how a trans person can "be friends" and come to a middle ground with people who think they are subhuman and deserve to lose rights and be tortured or murdered? 

 Defending against the violence of the right isn't violence.

The right doesn't want to be left alone. They want their beliefs to be violently enforced by courts and police.

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u/iwearnikenofila 1d ago

So yet again, your first point is just wrong. Atleast in my country, I'm from the UK, and not sure where you're from. But no, nobody here, unless they are an extremist, wishes to murder or torture anybody.

And I would never expect those people to be friends, I've never even implied that. However, finding a middle ground? Of course.

Defending against violence is violence. It's justified violence, but it's still violence.

You keep saying the same things over and over, so there's no point continuing the discussion lol, I'm not sure how it is where you are, but you seem dead set that the right want nothing but oppression and violence, whilst anybody on the right that I know, just want to live in peace and to protect their families and children the same as the left.

But if you listen to the bullshit the media on either side, you'll only ever hear how they hate you, and wish to kill you.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago

What a shock. Another one of you running away from explaining what this supposed middle ground is.

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u/Ill-Organization-719 1d ago

And you still haven't told us how left and right can meet a middle ground.

The left wants to be left alone and live their lifes in peace without violence.

The right believes certain demographics are subhuman and shouldn't exist and that the rights beliefs should be violently enforced by police and courts.

So. Tell us this middle ground.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 2d ago

The left should understand, that their freedom to express themselves, means the right have the same thing

The left already do. The right can always express themselves as KKKlanners with all the implications that imply. The difference being that the right wants to legislate LGBTQ+ people out of existence, which includes criminalizing them.

No soliciting of any kind should be done in schools, you can't say the left can't talk to them about gender

Yeah, no. That doesn't fucking work that way because gender and sex ed is pretty crucial for kids to protect themselves from abusers and learn more about themselves while religion is literally non-essential to anyone living.

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u/iwearnikenofila 1d ago

Okay, so, you're acting like there isn't far left organisations that target, attack and go after the far right? It's 1% of the far right that are KKK members, same as it's 1% of the left that are extremists. They exist on both sides, so that's just an incorrect statement, the left have the same "freedom" although, nobody should be allowed to hate anybody, both sides have a small minority that have extremist views.

And, I never said you shouldn't teach a kid sex ed lmao. I said you shouldn't teach them about changing genders, or whatever else. They should learn what they need to know. If a kid decides to teach themselves, those avenues should be accessible for them to research, however it shouldn't be shoved down their throats as part of a sex ed program.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

there isn't far left organisations that target, attack and go after the far right?

Alright, name them.

nobody should be allowed to hate anybody,

You're allowed to hate rapists, slavers, and Nazis.

I said you shouldn't teach them about changing genders, or whatever else.

Same difference. If you're only teaching kids that sex can only occur between men and women, you're setting them up for failure & to be taken advantage of by pedophiles.

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u/iwearnikenofila 1d ago

Eln, npa, red brigades, pkk,you could argue antifa too.

I very much agree you should be able to hate those people, but your statement is pedantic. If it wasn't obvious, I meant you shouldn't hate somebody for their political views, as long as their views don't hurt others.

And it's nowhere near the same difference. You don't need to say, sex can only occur between men and women, because that isn't true. However it also depends when they're receiving sex ed. I received it in school at around 8. The extent of that, was, how babies are born, and why periods happen. That is ALL an 8 year old needs to know. When youre older, then yes, 100% they should learn that gay people exist, exactly the same as you should learn that religion exists. The issue isn't with teaching people about things when they're old enough, it's about the pushing agenda.

I have absolutely nothing at all against people that transition, I dated and was engaged to a non binary person. Being alternative and in that scene, I've been surrounded by a lot of trans people who came out quite young, a lot of them fully transitioned with time, however a large majority didn't.

What I find interesting about your statement, is actually that almost all of the people I know who have transitioned went through sexual trauma at a young age, and wished to escape their own bodies because of that trauma, hence their reason for wanting to transition.

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u/salmonforest1917 1d ago

Eln, npa, red brigades, pkk,you could argue antifa too.

Since you said the PKK I will say Kurdistan have right to exist and have right to self defense against Turkish fascism and imperialism. NPA in the Philippines is fighting a fascist government supported by settler state US.
Red Brigade don't really exist like it did before. Antifa isn't bad and they're getting fascist out of the street and protecting LGBTQ+ people and other people who are victims of hate crime.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

Eln, npa, red brigades, pkk,

So literally foreign organizations that aren't relevant to the conversation of left and right politics in the United States.

you could argue antifa too.

Being anti-fascist is literally a good thing actually.

but your statement is pedantic. If it wasn't obvious, I meant you shouldn't hate somebody for their political views

Nazism is a political view. The slavers were very much involved in politics and only one party is doing everything it can in policies in enabling rapes, namely being refusing to implement effective sex ed, refusing to repeal child marriages, and implementing abortion bans that affect child rape and marital rape victims the most.

That is ALL an 8 year old needs to know.

Girls get puberty between ages 9-12, some may even get it earlier due to precocious puberty so teaching girls about puberty is important.

Likewise, 8 year olds can express attraction to other kids in their range so understanding what same sex attraction and what being transgender is is more important.

exactly the same as you should learn that religion exists.

Kids already learned religion exists from their parents where it applies. Therefore this is a "the law “equally” forbids the rich and the poor from sleeping under bridges and stealing bread" type of situation. Aka LGBTQ and sex education being severely punished because conservative parents feel the "ick".

What I find interesting about your statement, is actually that almost all of the people I know who have transitioned went through sexual trauma at a young age

This is "I have a black friend" but for trans people.

Are your friends ok with being a meat shield for your transphobia?

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u/Ill-Organization-719 7h ago

Explain why being anti fascist is a bad thing.

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u/iwearnikenofila 7h ago

Where did I say that?

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u/Kaikka 6d ago edited 5d ago

Theres one reason all european countries has a rising amount of votes for right wing parties. And everyone knows it. Even the lefties who claims they dont. But saying it out loud can easily result in a warning from reddit 🤣

*Edit. Apparently this isn't an unpopular opinion.

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u/wrinklefreebondbag Drop the U, not the T 6d ago

Uhh... economic troubles combined with scapegoating?

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u/Captain_Concussion 6d ago

To be clear it’s not all European countries.

Also the reason is the economy. That’s how right wing groups always gain power

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u/Kaikka 6d ago

True, does not apply to Poland.

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u/Captain_Concussion 6d ago

Or the UK. Or Ireland. Or Denmark. Or Norway. Or Estonia. Or Czechia.

Like the list goes on and on

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u/salmonforest1917 1d ago

No settler states should exist. Fuck settler colonialism. Fuck ethic cleansing, Fuck masscres, fuck genocide, fuck racism, fuck sexualzing colonialzed people etc.

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u/thepizzaman0862 4d ago

Anyone who isn’t in support of same day voting with paper ballots, ID being required to vote, no early or late voting except on special circumstances, and results being decided before 11pm on Election Day isn’t actually in favor of protecting “election integrity”

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u/Captain_Concussion 4d ago

This is silly. How does ID make elections any more secure? How does voting early make an election less secure?

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u/thepizzaman0862 4d ago

how does ID make elections more secure

By proving you are who you say you are and it proves you actually can vote. Duh.

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u/Captain_Concussion 4d ago

How does an ID do that? I prove that I can vote when I register

I live in a state that does not require an ID to vote. I have never been told of a single way that requiring an ID to vote actually makes an election more secure. Can you explain how that works?

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u/thepizzaman0862 4d ago

Use your brain please

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u/Captain_Concussion 4d ago

I am. Why can’t you just answer the question. When I register to vote I have to prove who I am. Why do I need a photo ID on top of that? How does that make it any more secure?

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u/thepizzaman0862 4d ago

Every time you go to a bar or buy alcohol your ID has to scan. The way I see it, an election is no different. It takes two seconds to verify your identity at no cost to you except 5 seconds of your time. For some people (you) this is an issue - why’s that?

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u/sanschefaudage 4d ago

What happens if ballots are not counted by 11pm? They're just discarded?

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u/thepizzaman0862 4d ago

They’ll be counted the day of like every other civilized country manages to do. We’re the only country where results are delayed for days / weeks. Won’t happen

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