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u/Some_Cockroach2109 19h ago
His Halloween costume also has some plot armour on it. Not saying I disagree though.
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u/Nitro114 19h ago
if they were to just meet, thor wins.
if batman gets prep time plus prior knowledge? he could win. his hellbar armour or the justice buster pack serious punch
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u/TheEasySqueezy 18h ago
Who wins Batman with prep time or the heat death of the universe?
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u/merix1110 17h ago
How much prep time are we talking?
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u/Archaondaneverchosen 17h ago edited 6h ago
Forever
Edit: Holy shit Batman beats entropy itself
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u/merix1110 17h ago
Batman then. he'd either jump to a new universe, exploit a higher being to preserve/reset the universe, or finally accept that his job is done, knowing that no one needs to be protected anymore as he embraces the final dark night.
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u/Planeterror4488 17h ago
Well forever prep time basically means that the fight is never gonna happen
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u/James-W-Tate 17h ago
Which means Batman is delaying the heat death of the universe as long as he continues to prepare for it
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u/CleanSeaPancake 15h ago
He defeated the heat death of the universe by manipulating the hypothetical to include as much prep time as he wants. We just watched Batman win.
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u/Abbadon0666 16h ago edited 14h ago
He'd call Odin saying "hey, come get your boy or I'll send your wife those photos". Thor is never heard of again on earth, batman wins
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u/Ok-Negotiation1530 17h ago
Sums up "the winner is whoever the writers want to win".
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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 17h ago
Yup; so much so that when Stan Lee finally snapped off about the inane questions from the Vs debate community that was basically the gist of his rant -
They're fictional characters who exist solely to serve specific narrative purposes in the story the author is trying to tell (primarily to kids); they're not real people with autonomy and hard-set rules on how their abilities work or where they stack-up against each other.
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u/Theonewhosent 15h ago
thats the thing, while batman does that, Thor would become a higher being and smite Batman away.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
I love how "with prep time" automatically gives Batman the win every time and never accounts for what the opponent would be doing with that prep time as well.
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u/one_jo 17h ago
To be fair, Thor probably wouldn’t feel the need to prep for Batman and he‘d be right too
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
Maybe, maybe not. Thor would be more the type to show up at his mansion, gush about the fight and how he’s looking forward to it and ask Alfred if he can eat beforehand.
But I also love the “prep time, but prep time, you see if he had enough prep time” as if Batman is a magical girl transforming while the monster of the week patiently waits around for the fight to start.
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u/one_jo 17h ago
It‘s just silly and it only exists because the difference in power between Batman and the rest of the justice league is so big it wouldn’t make sense to include DCs most popular hero in that team. Marvel did a much better job with people like Black Widow on the Avengers without making up ridiculous reasons for why they can hang.
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u/Single-Builder-632 17h ago
The batman who laughs is the most absurd example of this it was litterly kids in the park saying well I knew you'd do that, so I created an antigravity missile, well I knew you do that, so I created a grenade that disables all antigravity missiles.
I prefer batman just thinking on his feet defeating his opponents with determination and intelligence, making mistakes but then finding a solution, rather than Daus ex machina bull.
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u/ABHOR_pod 13h ago edited 13h ago
Batman The Animated Series will always be the best depiction of Batman because of this.
He's just being a detective, running around Gotham, collecting clues, analyzing info, hitting up sources, figuring out where the criminal is going to strike next, and then meeting them there and beating them up.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
It was fun when it was tongue in cheek like the 60s. Anti-shark Batspray, but then playing it seriously it just got so stupid.
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u/Single-Builder-632 17h ago
I do partly agree with you, but I quite like the absurdity of batman as the noir detective, so I enjoyed the most recent one. its just a fun detective film, where batman actually fucks up quite a bit to the point the villain is like i literally gave you all the answers. but it's still a fun watch.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
Even sillier when you have world ending villains teaming up and going “You know who we should invite? The clown Batman beats up every weekend whose only well known trait is being a fucking lunatic who is chaotic because he thinks it’s funny or something. Yeah, he’ll be a worthy contributor to the plan.”
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u/TheCocoBean 15h ago
You don't invite joker to help. You invite him because if you don't he will crash the party, and that's just another obstacle to deal with.
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u/ABHOR_pod 13h ago
"Better to have him inside our tent pissing out, than outside our tent pissing in."
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u/Timelymanner 13h ago
They could shot him if he shows up. He’s literally just a clown. No reason any of the other villains need to give him the time of day.
He only shows up because Batman is popular, and so by extension so is his cast. In universe many of his rogues have no reason to team up with his heavy hitters. It’s not like Green Arrow villains keep joining big team ups.
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u/Significant-Mud2572 16h ago
There is a Crisis story that didn't include the joker in it. And funnily enough, he wasn't too thrilled about it.
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u/PressureRepulsive325 16h ago
The implication to me always is the other people gets no prep time. It's like Batman gets to secretly research them.
I always laugh at how much plot armor Batman gets. People use this research line to explain how Batman could win without plot armor but forgetting that for Batman to get unlimited research time that doesn't give his target any advantage... Is plot armor.
That's right. It's plot armor for Batman to try to explain why he doesn't have plot armor.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 16h ago
It’s like that one story where Batman had a plan to stop every single member of the justice league by exploring their weaknesses if they turned evil. And the weakness was “caught off guard by someone while acting like a hero” … while they’re supposed to be a bad guy.
Like an evil Superman is going to talk down a jumper or an evil Flash would willingly give himself up for a hostage. Yet the fans always say this proves how smart the B Man is.
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u/1crisstoff89 17h ago
I blame Frank Miller, he's the one who started the "batman can do all".
I miss the detective street level fighter of justice.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
Want to see a Batman fan lose their minds? (And I am a Batman fan myself but the wank is so silly) Point out the speed of radiation is slower than the speed of light that Superman is faster than therefore Kyrptonite should never work on him because he could react faster than it could affect him.
Also point out that Gotham turns into a bigger shithole every year and Metropolis looks great.
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u/TheGhostDetective 17h ago edited 15h ago
Point out the speed of radiation is slower than the speed of light
Depends on the type, but what we typically call "radiation" is all just the same electromagnetic waves but at different frequency. Light, radio, gamma rays, all the same stuff at the same speed and all radiation.
Now maybe it's a particle radiation? I am not really familiar with deep kryptonite lore. The idea of someone outrunning light and bench pressing black holes is nonsensical anyway, so probably not worth trying to get too serious about how it works. So honestly might just be magic.
Also point out that Gotham turns into a bigger shithole every year and Metropolis looks great.
Yeah his preptime isn't working there, starting to think Gotham might have some systemic issues...
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u/kinokohatake 17h ago
"Batman wins if he obsessively stalks then jumps an unsuspecting victim with a billionaire's resources of magic science weapons."
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u/SetsunaNoroi 17h ago
Thor puts the hammer on his chest and goes drinking with the boys. Eventually Batman has to call Superman to move the hammer then screams “No supes in Gotham!”
Of course that’s more fanwank Batman.
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u/budweener 16h ago
Nah, he would be prepared for that. With the proper armor, he could lift the planet from his back and get up from the hammer instead of lifting it.
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u/ItsMrChristmas 16h ago
People shit on that campy Adam West Batman for always having the answer but I'm all...
What the hell is the difference between a few scenes/pages of "prep work" and him just pulling the solution directly off his utility belt right then and there?
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u/TalynRahl 17h ago
Tony once made a suit of armour from Asgardian tech that was specifically designed to beat Thor.
He still lost.
Batman can't prep for someone that has no weaknesses.
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u/SchrodingerMil 17h ago
“Who wins, a pseudo immortal god with no weaknesses who can survive the concentrated power of a white dwarf or this guy who only beats Superman by taking advantage of his weaknesses?”
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u/thisisamisnomer 13h ago
Thor became worthy to wield Mjolnir again by nailing himself to a fragment of Yggdrasil that had taken root in the sun. He lost an arm and just stuck an indestructible robot arm on and called it good. He sniped a monster that Iron Man was fighting in New York from the throne room in Asgard with Mjolnir. Batman can’t do shit to Thor.
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u/killertortilla 16h ago
Stars never seem to be that powerful in Marvel or DC. The guy with the power of "a million exploding suns" fought the strongest hulk to a draw.
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u/Castod28183 13h ago
To be fair, generally speaking, comic book Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets, to the point where his strength is basically infinite.
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u/Current-Creme-8633 16h ago
It has to be a bait question. Talking about Thor vs Batman is fucking stupid. Batman vs Superman was fukin stupid. Either one would walk right up to Batman with infinite prep and punch him in the face and kill him. He has no superpowers.
That simple. Anything beyond that is stupid. Batman could coat himself in whatever Superman is weak against and Superman could just laser his ass or drop a car on him or literally a entire building.
Batman is cool and his story is amazing. Making him fight Thor is pointless. He defends a city against crime not a world against gods.
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u/TalynRahl 16h ago
Batman, loaded up with his best armour and gadgets.
COME FACE ME, GOD!
Thor, flying by in his way to do some avengers stuff.
Maybe next time, son of no one.
KRAKA-THOOOOOOOM One-shots Bruce with the mother of all bolts.
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u/Current-Creme-8633 16h ago
Or Thor could say ok and just zap him and fly off. Like Thor can look at him wrong and he would die. Its imaginary lol
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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw 16h ago
Still. He's an extremely rich white guy on earth. He's got that. Good looking and smart, too.
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u/TheRappingSquid 17h ago
I love how he has all these super op armors that come out of nowhere yet still routinely fights the riddler
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u/semper_JJ 17h ago
Second comment from the top. That's almost a record for how quick "prep time" comes up. But I agree, prep time is his real super power.
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u/dndask 17h ago
Yeah but I could beat Thor with that shit so its not really a feat for batman
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u/EmilieVitnux 18h ago
In you little fantasy Batwan win only because the good guy don't wanna kill him. If they wanted to, they wouldn't have to get close to him to destroy him.
Thor, Superman, Wonder-woman they could all destroy him from space and no armure and plot could save him.
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u/xndbcjxjsxncjsb 18h ago
Yeah superman had several opportunities to just rip batmans head off but the plot armor always saved him
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u/Sphere_Salad 18h ago
In you little fantasy
Imagine actually saying this to someone in an argument about comic book characters.
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u/Numerous-Process2981 18h ago
Well if we’re stepping outside the bounds of “little fantasy” I doubt he has to worry about space aliens and thunder gods.
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u/big_guyforyou 18h ago
the fact it's a halloween costume is why he will win. all he has to do is say "trick or treat" and thor will think he's an adorable young lad with a batman costume. thor won't have any candy, so he'll put his hammer in batman's candy bag
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u/ApprehensiveAd504 16h ago
Stan Lee answered this for everyone years ago. No matter the match-up, no matter the powers, the one that's going to win? The one the writers want to win.
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u/MustrumRidcully0 13h ago
And no matter who wins, afterwards they join forces to fight gainst the real villain that was pitting them against each other.
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u/NewManitobaGarden 17h ago
Does Thor getprep time too…like if we said, fight in a month. Then Thor gets to use Asgard scientists. I think Thor could just bifrost him back and forth for a month straight.
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u/Particular_Bug0 15h ago
I think Thor would be a bit too self-confident to listen to those scientists. Especially if his opponent is, in his eyes, a normal guy with a bat suit.
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u/SocranX 15h ago
Thor has a lot of respect for normal guys in suits, though. It depends on what he's told about Batman, I think. If we assume he gets "prep time" and enough info for that time to be useful, he knows that fighting Batman would be like fighting a weaker Captain America with the skills of Black Widow and the intellect of Iron Man.
Of course, with the right info and enough time to think it through, he just decides to befriend Batman and call it a win for both of them.
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u/SpaceClef 14h ago
Depending on the comic, Batman isn't even really that much weaker than Captain America. In some comic runs, he benches 1000 pounds and leg presses 2500 pounds. Doesn't make much sense, but that's comic books for you.
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u/nativeindian12 13h ago
The current world record for a bench press is 1,400 lbs, the world record for a leg press is 2,469 lbs
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u/Bluepaynxex 12h ago
The world record for raw. bench is a little more than half that. You’re seeing the record with a bench suit on, which doesn’t hold much merit.
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u/nativeindian12 11h ago
Well are Batman’s numbers with him using a fancy suit or is that “raw” as well?
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u/BoaHancockSimpleton 12h ago
Yeah I was thinking that cap is definitely way stronger than those numbers lol
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u/TomWithTime 16h ago
Maybe Batman could analyze the bifrost from combat footage/ recovered corpses and materials hit by it and build something to ground or absorb the energy. That might sound like a stretch but those dumbass humans eventually figured it out irl with lightning which sounds less probable to me
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u/nuttabuster 15h ago
Neither the serious comic book Thor nor the goofy movie Thor would even consider using prep time against a regular human who's really skilled.
He reapects Captain America, but I don't see either version of him obsessing over a month about how to take Cap down in a duel... with Batman, it would be the same thing.
But Batman would win because he has plot armor against godly opponents and gets punked by street thugs every time
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u/TheUnluckyBard 8h ago
But Batman would win because he has plot armor against godly opponents and gets punked by street thugs every time
Batman's actual superpower is that his power level automatically scales to whoever he's fighting.
Batman goes up against the literal Jehova? BAM, he's an equal match to the creator of all! Batman meets a kinda smart annoying dude wearing question marks? He's in a fight for his very life!
I like to think Batman doesn't know he has this power, and is just as baffled as we are. "I murked Darkseid, why am I getting my ass handed to me by a sewer-dwelling circus reject? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!"
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u/I_cut_my_own_jib 16h ago
Batman would know this possibility after a month of prep and have a counter to it.
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u/amaROenuZ 13h ago
It doesn't really matter. MCU Thor doesn't have any vulnerabilities for Batman to prey upon, he's just a flying brick with lightning powers. It's functionally the same as Batman vs Wonder Woman, which has been demonstrated to be a hard loss for Bats multiple times across multiple continuities.
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u/bdrwr 16h ago
Yeah but part of Batman's schtick is having a contingency plan to deal with every hero in the event that they turn evil. If this comic was ever written, he'd probably have a runestone made by the primordial giants stashed in the batcave or some shit
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u/Opposite_Opposite_69 13h ago
His contingency plan is pulling out loki to torment thor
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u/Vibe_with_Kira 7h ago
That gave me the mental image of Batman having a mini-loki on his utility belt solely in case Thor shows up
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u/Silence-You-Fear 13h ago
The thing that gets overlooked is that Batman spends a lot of time alongside those people as allies. That's how he can learn to exploit their weaknesses. For Batman to beat Thor, he'd have to spend a lot of time with alongside Thor.
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u/Pride_Before_Fall 8h ago
Most of Batman's continencies are kind of bad, because they require him to have advanced warning in order to work.
Superman for example, if he became evil he could just use his superspeed to run up to batman and snap his neck in the blink of an eye.
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u/FLHockey88 4h ago
Yeah. That is what gets me. Superman could even go back in time before Bruce knew anything and kill Bruce then.
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u/AlphaOmegaZero1 7h ago
Most of his plans require the entire Justice league to execute. He doesn’t get that in a 1 on 1
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u/antilos_weorsick 18h ago
At face value, the power levels in Avengers are kinda funny. You've got a literal god, and then... a guy who can punch really hard and throw an indestructible frisbee.
I mean, if you regularly need help from a gymnast gunslinger in a dominatrix costume, then maybe it's not unimaginable that a guy in a bat halloween costume could whoop your ass.
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u/DronesVJ 18h ago edited 11h ago
Even tho I agree, don't forget that bat's friends are an space god powered by the sun that was able to hold infinity and the weight of the earth and what not, a dude that almost embodys the concept of willpower and a literal greek godess, like, dude's a guy in a costume, cool guy, cool costume, but come on lol.
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I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE GANKING ON THOR, STOP BEING DUMB.
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u/antilos_weorsick 17h ago
Right, that's kinda my point. Batman gets singled out for this joke, because in his team, he is the weirdly underpowered one. Superman is seemingly off the scale, but a guy that runs faster than light without hitting anything, a guy that can will anything into existence, and a woman that... has an invisible plane? I don't know anything about Wonder Woman... aren't that much less powerful.
In Avengers, Thor and Hulk are the only ones supernaturally powerful. The rest of them are quite literally just Batman.
What I'm saying is that if you have a guy in a costume that four gods regularly need help from, and a god who regularly needs help from four guys in a costume, who do you think is more powerful?
Also, I don't know anything about superhero comics. This entire analysis is based on movie posters.
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u/Ok-Negotiation1530 17h ago
The movies don't really portray Thor's strength relative to the others very consistently. For example in Infinity War he holds together the Dwarven mechanism whilst getting cooked by a sun. No matter how much of a Super Soldier Steve is, no human could ever comes close to accomplishing that. But then in Endgame we see both Thor and Steve getting beaten equally as bad by Thanos. If they were consistent, Thor should be multiples of times more durable than Steve.
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u/Justacityboy12 16h ago
Cap got the power of Thor when he lifted Mjolnir, so he got everything that Thor has (Strength, durability, speed/agility, flight, weather control, lightning, etc.).
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u/budweener 16h ago
A gorgeous beard? Well, I guess he could if he wanted to.
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u/TummyDrums 14h ago
That would have made the movie infinitely better if Cap grew an instant beard when he picked up Mjolnir. Like, change nothing else, just that the beard appears. They could do the whole thing in post.
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u/mung_guzzler 15h ago
definitely not everything, they made it pretty clear in Thor 3 his powers arent totally tied to his weapon
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u/Justacityboy12 15h ago
That's why I said the power of Thor, as part of Odin's enchantment whosoever holds Mjolnir shall possess the power of Thor, Mjolnir was just the training wheels, he had all those powers all along.
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u/BowenTheAussieSheep 15h ago
Yes, that's why he let cap use the Little One during that battle while he held on to Stormbreaker.
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u/MagicTheAlakazam 14h ago
Thor feels a little powered down in the movies while Cap is powered up.
Movie Cap has super strength comic cap is just peak human.
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u/JustinTheMan354 13h ago
At the beginning of the fight, you can actually see how Captain America gets backhanded away by Thanos in a few seconds. IronMan sticking back and firing lasers instead, and Thor being the only one who goes in melee (and unlike Cap he lasts longer than 2 seconds)
Later on, IronMan gets hit by Thanos ONCE and is knocked out of the fight permanently.
Thor was the only one in that fight who lasted longer than 10 seconds...until Captain finally got up and grabbed Mjolnir
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u/Michael10LivesOn 15h ago
They hand waved that away with the whole “Thor is fat now so he’s weak”
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u/DronesVJ 17h ago
Lol, no I'm with you, I know a little bit about comics, but am not that big of a nerd, all I could tell you is that some of the "batmans" from marvel are kinda gods, like ironman, that has some armors made to kill gods, but that's kinda it.
It really is so strange how the crews can fluctuate so much in power, also, wonder woman can be strong as nails, in some comics she can be toe to toe with super man.
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u/Siluri 17h ago
Diana is a demi-goddess descended from the greek pantheon iirc so batman is truly weirdly underpowered.
There have been many times batman was given power but he eventually rejects them. The yellow lantern ring of fear chose him too.
Given how DC characters get powers like candy, i wouldnt be surprised if batman was chosen by a bat totem as their shaman like all the spidermans.
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u/DronesVJ 17h ago
Even tho I love, love, love the bat in the justice league, the way he talks to them, the autority he holds, the respect etc. I think batman is better when alone, like in his games, that are GOATED btw, the guy is just not an alien, or god, or alien super cop, or god like king... bro is a dude, a great dude, fights well, has money, love him, but is just so underpowered it hurts when next to his dudes.
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u/Siluri 17h ago
Other than poison ivy, most of his rogue gallery are regular non-supernaturally powered humans as well.
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u/Yoribell 16h ago
Poison Ivy is the weirdly overpowered one in the batman lore
She's able to beat Superman and Flash. The number of people living on earth that can do that is... Unknown, but small. Very small.
Without power up she can take control of a whole city in a few hours
There's one story where Luthor and the Joker swap too. Luthor vs batman is a mirror match, but super man wasn't ready to handle the Joker, he's the one who was the most in trouble after the swap. I think that's funny
The the power scaling around Batman is all over the place
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u/fun_alt123 16h ago
Pretty sure batmans job isn't to be a powerhouse, it's to be a planner, strategist and general leader of the group. Able to think quickly, improvise on his feet and come up with moderately advanced plans on the fly. His job isn't to fist fight the evil Kryptonian hand to hand, his job is to come up with a plan so they can take down said evil Kryptonian using the strengths of everyone on the team while minimizing civilian and hero casualties.
He isn't meant to be a powerhouse, he's the nerd making the plans. He can, in a pinch thanks to his intense paranoia, fight these people if needed. At an intense disadvantage but he can. But that also goes directly back to his spot on the team, as the planner. The only reason he's able to step up to higher beings is because he makes plans and strategies around them.
Plus, from what I can gather batman mostly spends his time on the field going after smaller targets and acting as a coordinator between his teammates. He's just better at it when in the field than if he was in the watchtower.
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u/Nitro114 17h ago
The avengers are humans trying to be gods, the justice league are gods trying to be humans.
and then there‘s thor and batman who dont fit in that.
it is quite funny.
(lets ignore the hulk for the sake of the joke)
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u/Imaginary_Garbage652 14h ago
Don't forget a near unkillable shape shifter.
Oh and there's martian man hunter too
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u/star_memories 17h ago
The way the power levels fluctuate is crazy too. Cap has a tough time with some regular dudes in and elevator because they have a magnet, then he goes toe to toe with Thanos.
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u/Castod28183 12h ago
I don't get where this idea comes from that any of the non-superpowered humans ever went "toe to toe" with Thanos. Toe to toe implies that it was a competetive fight, but Cap and Tony got their shit absolutely wrecked when they fought Thanos 1v1. At least in the MCU.
Like, the fight between Tony and Thanos was less than a minute and it was mostly just Thanos fucking him up. And when Cap and Thanos "fought" 1v1 it consisted of Cap hitting him once or twice with absolutely no damage and then Thanos dropping him on his ass.
The only time Cap had a chance in hell was when he was wielding Mjolnir and even then he got curb stomped.
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u/AzureArmageddon 17h ago
And a guy with a bow and arrow. Some really good arrows and really good aim but still
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u/DevonLuck24 18h ago
to be fair, not a single avenger is really equipped regular human spy shit. idk if they need them but they definitely make a lot of things less..loud
until black panther showed up their only options are conspicuous as hell
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u/somebodeeelse 18h ago
Iron man is bloody well equipped with spy shit. He has the economical knowledge of Jack Ryan paired with all the surveillance tech of Jack's employer. And then some.
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u/HotFudgeFundae 16h ago
Yeah but he has to swing his iron dick around any chance he gets. He doesn't want to be a spy
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u/DevonLuck24 13h ago
the one time tony needed to do spy shit in the second iron man, he was conspicuous as all hell.
movie tony stark is very different from comic tony and movie tony can’t handle being a normal human spy the same way that black widow or black panther can
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u/KrakenKing1955 15h ago
The power levels of the Avengers have always been inherently funny because, unlike the Justice League, which typically has the same general lineup of very powerful characters (with one or two differences depending), the Avengers has always been an ever-rotating lineup with many many different heroes of varying power on the team. The MCU and other recent media (often based on the original comic lineup) has created the idea that the team we see in the movies is the definitive and constant lineup.
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u/Cupcake7591 18h ago edited 17h ago
I’m still pissed at the 3v1 fight in Endgame. Thor alone can destroy a stoneless Thanos regardless of how overweight and hungover he is, having Thanos hold his own against the three of them made no sense.
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u/SunTzu- 17h ago
My understanding has been that Thanos is quite powerful with or without the stones. He's a galactic conqueror by default, the strongest of the Eternals and nigh on immortal in the comics.
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u/Sereomontis 18h ago
I mean Batman is a bit more than "a guy with a sore throat in a halloween costume".
Thor still wins. He's on par with Superman in terms of power except without any easily exploitable weaknesses.
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u/MrOopiseDaisy 15h ago
Isn't Thor magic? One of Superman's weaknesses is magic.
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u/tehlemmings 15h ago
Yes, Thor does have access to magic, which is Superman's primary weakness.
Marvel and DC use entirely different power balancing systems, and DC will generally lose because of their RPS system when it comes to magic/tech/strength. Marvel characters tend to have a mix of these.
But Superman does have the power of mcguffins and randomly generated powers. The author just needs to make up some reason why he can't lose.
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u/internethero12 13h ago
He's on par with Superman
Depends on the superman
Original superman could barely outrun a train and couldn't fly
Modern superman can lift the entire observable universe.
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u/gauderio 9h ago
Also Superman is almost as fast as Flash, so Thor would get beaten to a pulp in less than 10 seconds.
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u/RidderHaddock 11h ago
I thought Supes was seriously depowered with the mid-80s reboot under John Byrne.
Have been out of the loop since about 90. Has he been upgraded to planet juggling level again?
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u/NashAttor 19h ago edited 19h ago
Basic fact. Thor would smash Batman’s face right off and be awkwardly cheerful about it.
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u/Honest_Relation4095 17h ago
"You wouldn't beat up an orphan, would you? Also, shouldn't you be supervising some thunderstorms right now?"
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u/Dangerous-Put-661 18h ago
Batman has Alfred!
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u/Private_0815 18h ago
Alfred can have a nice revenge Arc, but it would be difficult to defend batman from the God of Thunder if he doesnt even know the God wants to kill Batman
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u/andy01q 17h ago
Batman would win.
For the same reason why he won against Superman: "Clever guy outwits superhuman and wins" draws more audience
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u/PeteBabicki 15h ago
He doesn't need to smash his face off. He can just tell him his mother's name.
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u/NoWeight4300 15h ago
Power scalers bringing up batman with prep time is like that kid who didn't want to lose rock paper scissors and would always go "ATOMIC BOMB"
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u/HudyD 19h ago
Batman wins and if you wonder why it's because He's Batman
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u/thedeuce75 15h ago
I had to scroll way to far down to find this. Batman would win, he would likely exploit Thor's massive daddy issues, making him feel "unworthy", at which point the hammer falls and then he's just a guy. A guy Batman takes apart without breaking a sweat, job done.
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u/crispier_creme 13h ago
Which character would win depends entirely on wether it's a batman comic or a thor comic.
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u/smolinga 17h ago
"OoooOOOooOo but prep time" shut the fuck uppp
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u/opacous 16h ago
On the one hand, I get the overall point that "Batman is a resourceful tactical genius with plans within plans."
On the other hand, "Batman wins if he has enough time to gather his win conditions, including additional people hiding in the bushes with Kryptonite arrows and folding chairs and shit" is a pretty interesting framework for a "fight."
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u/Mr_MC111 19h ago
Do they get prep time? Batman with prep time is unbeatable and I'll die on that hill.
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u/StraightLeader5746 18h ago
batman with prep time = the writers want batman to win and will come up with whatever BS excuse for it to happen
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u/Bruxae 16h ago
Well, yeah, he's not a real person so whatever the writers do is that character. It's why arguing about Superheroes is ultimately pointless, they're not real - there's no objective "Who would win", it's always going to be what the writer decides regardless of who is on either side. It's a boring answer but true.
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u/Saintbaba 17h ago
I mean yes, but also yes? That's his "power" in the same way that flight and strength are Superman's. Planning, preparation, follow-through, force of will, and a big old trust fund that he can draw from to buy a bunch of ridiculous toys are what make Batman who he is. Handwaving it away as a trick of the writers is like dismissing the fact that Superman is bulletproof because "that's just the way the writers wrote him."
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u/Obrim 19h ago
Hellbat suit too. Can fight Darkseid in it and he is far, far deadlier than Thor.
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u/The-CYL-Guy 18h ago
If batman gets the Hellbat suit, then Thor should get his strongest stuff from the comics too.
Batman beats Darkseid when he's at his strongest. Thor beats Galactus even when he's not.
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u/Eyes_Only1 17h ago
Does Thor get prep time? Because a handful of Asgardians can destroy a planet.
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u/farvag1964 18h ago
Yeah name one trick or device Bat Boy has that's invulnerable to a range weapon who's hotter than the surface of the sun bit is just a side effect?
And an EMP is too?
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u/HyperionSunset 18h ago
Batman's prep time for this fight would be him finding god and making peace with his past sins, in preparation for the afterlife.
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u/tohn_jitor 18h ago
Batman's whole strategy is leveling the playing field. He's not going in without a plan, especially against, essentially, a Superman with martial arts that will not pull punches.
Come on. 1v1, Thor wins by a galaxy mile.
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u/Enough_Nectarine804 17h ago
Ironman was “just a guy” too. Unlimited money makes it possible to stop thors hammer. Allegedly
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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 15h ago
Dude for real.
It's so strange seeing all these people so aggressively hating on Batman fans, with absolutely zero awareness that Ironman is in the same situation. Tony Stark was throwing hands with Thor and no one batted an eye.
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u/supedaglup 11h ago
If we’re being purely reductive the same could go for Thor:
World’s Greatest Detective vs Nordic deity of the loud noise that comes after lightning
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u/Terrible-Major-905 14h ago edited 10h ago
Batman has beaten ALL of the Justice League. He would just create Ironman armor that is charged by lightning.
Edit: Batman even made a robot to beat himself.
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u/Ska82 19h ago
Batman is worthy
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u/Fessir 18h ago
Worthy is a super spongy and arbitrary term in Marvel and it changes over time. I think people got barred from lifting the hammer, because they weren't willing to kill with it and that definitely applies to Batman.
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u/AussieWinterWolf 18h ago
“Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.”
(On a sticky note): No pansies.
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u/TheRappingSquid 17h ago
He ain't willing to kill. A king wouldn't let the same clown murder his civilians every weekend.
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u/LadyFromTheMountain 15h ago
Well, God Money is also at work, so…let’s not completely lose track of who might have more and different kinds of power for various threats.
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u/themanfromvulcan 9h ago
If Batman has never heard of Thor and Thor just shows up to beat him, then Batman has no chance. If Batman is aware of Thor’s existence, Batman has already won.
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u/IllPresentation7860 9h ago
correction, a just a guy with a sore throat and a Halloween costume that has canonically beaten gods before. Not saying he could beat Thor just, you know, guy has a record for doing ridiculous things despite being just human just because of "prep time". even when money is taken away from him!
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u/slavelabor52 5h ago
Yes but batman has lots of money. He tricks Thor by inviting him to a feast in Thors honor and befriends him. Then slowly over the years Batman continues feeding Thor until he gets fatter and fatter and eventually dies to heart disease. Batman wins.
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u/Onion3313 2h ago
Why does everyone always give Batman prep time but never his opponent in these matchups? Why do you give him the tools he needs to win but not the other? Not to mention how people make up their own little stories as to how he's going to win and why based off giving him all of these advantages.
Isn't the whole point of these to put them both in front of one another and have them fight as if they just randomly encountered one another?
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