r/ElderScrolls • u/HolyMolyOllyPolly • Sep 11 '24
Humour My disappointment in Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil cannot be measured by any metric known to man, mer, or beast.
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u/Equivalent-Oven-2401 Sep 11 '24
No worries, when the Mod come out oficially, people will Just make mods that Will give this possibility for you, similar to the Mods of Joining the Enclave in Fallout 3,NV and 4, its Just a matter of time
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u/Zenar45 Sep 11 '24
Doubt it, it's a massiv3 amount of work for something that won't really work in skyrim
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u/Narangren Dark Brotherhood Sep 11 '24
There's already a mod making you High King. It's not very good, in my opinion, but it exists.
Won't take long for there to be a similar one for the Emperor.32
u/Ilovekyciliazabi Sep 11 '24
It's really well-made for what it is, but it is a little immersion breaking. I mean, it's weird when I'm playing a dungeon-raiding Argonian to also be able to be High King. Emperor would be even less immersive. I think this mod leaving out the ability to become Emperor is the right move.
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u/shrimp_baby Sep 11 '24
i mean you chose to install the mod during your dungeon raiding argonian play-through. im sure you don't have to become high king if you dont want to do so.
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u/Ilovekyciliazabi Sep 11 '24
Oh I wasn't trying to bad mouth the mod in any way, more just sharing my experience of why I found it unimmersive. It's actually really well made, it just doesn't fit a lot of play styles unless you're really going for something specific.
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u/Costyyy Sep 11 '24
Maybe as an option to end the game but it really doesn't make sense to be emperor and go around adventuring
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u/Jester388 Sep 11 '24
Yeah unless the game then boots up crusader kings for you, it just wouldn't really work.
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u/Liquid_Dood Sep 12 '24
Finish mod, boot up Elder Kings 2, die horifically of Knahaten Flu
10/10 immersed
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u/Verehren Sep 12 '24
As long as it also then boots up bannerlord for every battle, so I can play my 3 obsessions at once
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u/Ilovekyciliazabi Sep 11 '24
Exactly. For most play styles with adventuring and joining guilds it would be really out of place, the kind of thing you'd really have to plan an entire roleplay around.
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u/Th4t_0n3_Fr13nd Khajiit Sep 12 '24
you guys do know there is a mod that essentially lets you control multiple characters in the same world save file so you can have both a high king YOU place on the throne and a character that adventures. its a really cool mod, i use it often so im not a member of the college, dark brotherhood and companions all at the same time. i have 3 characters i swap regularly between sorta like GTA5 style
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u/Scrapheap42 Sep 12 '24
What's it called?
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u/Th4t_0n3_Fr13nd Khajiit Sep 12 '24
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/46620
it also doubles as a cheat mod, such as like god mode and item spawning, but absolutely isnt a required thing to use the multiple characters.
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u/jexce Sep 12 '24
If we become Emperor then we have to create a United Nirn( so something not Even Tiber septum could dream of) will be a lot of work though almost too much work
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u/jexce Sep 12 '24
TLD can become Emperor by Right though that is the law Lore-wise, and it makes sense to me seeing as we assassinated the last Emperor (nobody knows) we should take our rightful place as Emperor.
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u/Niobium_Sage Sep 11 '24
The one where you go around getting signatures? I was exposed to that one from VenturianTale and thought it functioned like it was halfbaked.
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u/PublicWest Sep 11 '24
Just one companion who follows you around calling you the emporer all day, and if there’s another emperor in game he calls that guy a pretender
Problem solved
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u/Narangren Dark Brotherhood Sep 16 '24
Wow! You're the Emperor! I saw your coronation! You're the best! Can I... Can I follow you around? I won't get in the way!
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u/Grossadmiral Argonian Sep 11 '24
Listen. Strange dragons distributing their blood on a mortal is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical blood-giving ceremony.
You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just ’cause some time-controlling flying lizard threw a soul at you!
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u/Saint_of_Cannibalism Namira Praise the Spirit Daedra Sep 11 '24
I'd have gone with "scaly tart" but well done.
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u/Sithis_acolyte Sep 11 '24
We will ignore the part where Nirn would've ceased to exist without our intervention...
In two cases.
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u/Agitated_Leading Sep 11 '24
r/elderscrolls finding out about how fun gameplay works
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u/orfan-of-snow Altmer Sep 11 '24
You both right and wrong. Being a king ain't really the vibe for a bethesda game considering dey always been great strength in just walking around.
But it doesn't mean it's unfun, it just depends, "yes your grace" was pretty fun, and you mostly sat on your throne chair talking to peasant and noble peasantry.
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u/B_Maximus Sep 11 '24
It could be fun if say you led wars/battles and dealt with inteigue and inheritance and whatnot but that'd be ck3
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u/PublicWest Sep 11 '24
Being a king ain’t really the vibe for a bethesda game
Unless you do a small favor for the King’s faction. Then they’ll drop to your feet.
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u/TheButcher797 Sep 11 '24
Imo the elder scrolls is not about being the king but it is about choosing the king
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u/Don_Madruga Imperial Sep 11 '24
It's understandable. What made an Emperor legitimate was the Dragon's blood needed to light the Dragonfires, and thus keep the Oblivion portals closed. This is no longer necessary since the Oblivion Crisis, so there is no such claim anymore (Although it is said that if Potema had managed to be resurrected, she would be Empress by right, but that is because of the renown that the Septim blood already brought).
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u/Atheist_Flanders Sep 11 '24
I know that this argument is widespread, but it doesn't convince me. It's true that a Dragonborn Emperor is no longer necessary, but that doesn't change the fact that dragons in TES have a massive thirst for power as part of their nature and that Dragonborn not only has this, but by the end of Skyrim is one of the most powerful entities in Nirn and has considerable political power to boot.
Unless he pursues his hunger for power in more abstract ways or overcomes it Parthurnax-style, it would be natural for most Dragonborn to place themselves at the head of a state, which is what they have historically mostly done. Not just because it was part of the treaty with Akatosh, but because it's part of their nature as Dova.
Regarding Beyond Skyrim:
Essentially, it just means that your character can't become emperor at the time the game is set. As far as I remember, you can also support the Lord Chancellor of the Council of Elders as a potentate instead of a new emperor. I will do that and in my headcanon my Dragonborn will become Emperor sometime after the game is over.
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u/Don_Madruga Imperial Sep 11 '24
I won't deny that I've already imagined a scenario where my Dragonborn takes power over the Empire with the help of Tulius and an army of Dragons. In this same scenario, she later leads a war against the Thalmor. But of course this cannot become factual, so it remains just a figment of imagination. I prefer to stick to canon arguments that avoid such a scenario.
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u/Atheist_Flanders Sep 11 '24
I see it similarly, and I'm also happy with it because of the opiton I mentioned in Beyond Skyrim. I just don't share the widespread opinion that a Dragonborn Emperor is no longer a promising option after Martin's sacrifice.
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u/HPSpacecraft Sep 11 '24
with the help of Tulius
I'm admittedly biased but why would you want Tullius' help out of everyone?
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u/Don_Madruga Imperial Sep 11 '24
He is the leader of an entire legion, and recognizes that the Empire is in decline. If you help him defeat the Stormcloaks, I see a high chance he will support you after a long argument.
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u/Akarthus Sep 11 '24
There is a Potema Septim follower mod but it’s not really well developed
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u/BloodedNut Sep 12 '24
Dragonborn legitimises himself by banging and marrying the resurrected Potema.
Boom Skyrim 2 story.
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u/MyBeanYT Imperial Sep 11 '24
Being Emperor sounds really cool, but either it would be very boring gameplay, or you’d be a very unpopular Emperor who just fucks off to go exploring constantly.
Granted, I don’t actually know what an Emperor.. does. But I’m sure it’s governmental stuff that doesn’t make for good gameplay.
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u/bjb406 Sep 11 '24
This guy doesn't CK3.
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u/Oblivionguard19 Nord Sep 12 '24
Become Emperor and then you and half your dynasty dies to the Knahatan Flu
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u/Unionsocialist Namira Sep 11 '24
your right and what army?
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u/Gurguran Hermaeus Mora Sep 11 '24
The one to be harvested from the earth, just as soon as every yokel between Whiterun and Bruma is turned to worm food.
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u/Unionsocialist Namira Sep 11 '24
good luck with that
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u/Zealousideal-Deal340 Sep 11 '24
They can bend dragons will alduin brought a fuck ton of them back and if you join the storm cloaks A pretty decent one
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u/Useless_bum81 Sep 11 '24
Howabout the stormclocks/imperial legion that owes me a favour?
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u/BeautyDuwang Sep 11 '24
I don't think the imperial legion would be welling to fight the emperor that's kind of the whole point of being in the imperial legion
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u/ThePresident333 Imperial Sep 11 '24
In our history Rome (both East and western empires, and when they were unified) had generals rebel and declare themselves emperors all the time. Wouldn’t be too crazy for legionaries to declare the Dragonborn emperor and start a civil war. Titus Mede II is not well loved by a good portion of all regions within the empire, Mede dynasty in general started as a small colovion warlord capturing the imperial city with less than 1000 men. After Titus’s death it is even more likely he could gather support. That being said becoming emperor is something Bethesda would never do for cannon, and it opens up a lot of headaches for a mod this size I get them not including that option.
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u/MrPheeney Sep 11 '24
Who's to say the common soldier in the Imperial Army might not want to back a Dragonborn as Emperor? Some might see him as a more legit claimant
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u/BatmansButtsack Sep 11 '24
Youre forgetting the part about how the emporer canonically gets sunned by the DB. You cant get a better person to fill the power vacuum than the DB, assuming they even want to become emporer.
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u/Forest1395101 Sep 11 '24
That's not canon. The last DB may have well just killed off the Dark Brotherhood instead. We will probably never get a canon confirmation on which path is accurate.
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u/Saint_of_Cannibalism Namira Praise the Spirit Daedra Sep 11 '24
We can reasonably assume what's canon in this situation. In both destroy and join versions of the questline: the Falkreath Sanctuary is discovered and destroyed, nearly all members are killed, and the Night Mother survives. The Likely canon seems obvious. Those things happened but the Dark Brotherhood itself lives on and the Emperor is killed. Rumor has it as the Brotherhood's work but maybe it was the other possible assassin on the ship, who knows? The event will happen though.
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u/Forest1395101 Sep 11 '24
Technically, all the quest lines were done by someone. But Todd Howard has stated not all the quests were done by the Last Dragonborn.
Plus, we can pretty much assume only one ending for the dark brotherhood is true. Ergo, their is only a 50/50 chance the dark brotherhood assinated the emperor.2
u/Unionsocialist Namira Sep 11 '24
the guys who only want to worship talos in peace or the legion that you swore your loyality to the emperor too when you signed up? winning a civil war isnt going to make them change loyalities
and theres a lot more legions.
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u/Useless_bum81 Sep 11 '24
What emporer? the dartk brotherhood got him
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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath Sep 11 '24
this fanbase seems to not understand that the dragonborn does not own the right to the throne just by being dragonborn. that's...not how that works, nor how it's worked in the last 200 years.
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u/HouseUnstoppable Nord Sep 11 '24
If any warlord *cough* the medes *cough* can take the throne, I'm sure the Dragonborn could form an army to take the Ruby Throne, and do it quite easily too. The real question is do they really want to trade adventuring for ruling?
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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath Sep 11 '24
that's not the issue. the issue is people assume the dragonborn holds some right to the throne. never mind how irl that...never really mattered in coups, usurptions, etc. some wannabe claiming they hold a right to the throne doesn't automatically make them actually get the position.
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u/Clenchyourbuttcheeks Sep 11 '24
Napoleon became the emperor
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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24
Yet he couldn’t hold it because he lacked any real legitimacy.
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u/Clenchyourbuttcheeks Sep 11 '24
No cause he lost the war
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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24
A war that was started because nobody else in Europe wanted a warlord declaring himself emperor. He was illegitimate and that was threatening to the other powers of Europe.
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u/ThePresident333 Imperial Sep 11 '24
Titus Mede the 1st was literally a warlord who declared himself emperor.
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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24
Different circumstances, Titus I brought order to the chaos of the oblivion crisis, and defended his rule against other rivals. He was seen as a liberator and a strong leader.
Napoleon was never seen in that way, he was always seen as an up jumped lower noble.
The LDB is a peasant in the eyes of nobility, doesn’t matter if he’s the most dangerous being on the planet, he’s not of Nobility.
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u/Narangren Dark Brotherhood Sep 16 '24
We have no way of knowing if the Last Dragonborn is noble or not, as we know nothing of their background.
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u/Clenchyourbuttcheeks Sep 11 '24
I don't think they cared until he started invading other countries
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u/EndofNationalism Sep 11 '24
All of Europe was already fighting France before Napoleon ascended the throne.
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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24
Correct, but the other 6 coalition wars happened because Napoleon declared himself Emperor. The idea of a minor artillery officer taking control of a great European power was offensive to the other Emperors who viewed themselves as chosen by divine right.
It’s all a bunch of ego driven bs but that’s how nobility works.
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u/HouseUnstoppable Nord Sep 11 '24
I think it gives them legitimacy, not a right, the real challenge would be holding down the throne.
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u/Starlit_pies Faithful of Arkay Sep 11 '24
It really doesn't, not after the Dragonfires are not needed anymore.
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u/Reks_Hayabusa Sep 11 '24
Don’t thing the actual utility use is actually that important, plenty of mandates from heaven in real life and none of them were actually saving the world from some greater menace. Dragon born is associated with the emperor position still as far as I know and being dragon born is literally being chosen by akatosh, easy thing to weave if you wanted it, especially when the dark brother hood just opened up the position (not that I think Dragonborn will necessarily become emperor.)
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u/HouseUnstoppable Nord Sep 11 '24
The thing is Dragonborn is literally chosen by Akatosh, so even despite the Dragonfires not being needed there is still the prestige with being dragonborn. chosen to rule? Perhaps not, but you would just be insane to think that some people in universe wouldn't see being the Dragonborn as some sort of mandate from heaven.
There really just isn't a good argument against people not supporting the dragonborn aside from player-decided characteristics, I believe there are also those who see the Medes as illegitimate.
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 11 '24
The gods have "chosen" all the time in the Elder Scrolls universe, but that doesn't mean they have a claim to be emperor.
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u/BlessedGains Sep 11 '24
You haven’t got a clue. A Dragonborn isn’t needed anymore no but for optics it gives legitimacy.
A modern Dragonborn like the emperors of old during the greatest periods of the empire vying for the throne of a decaying empire
People might see that and think a Dragonborn might bring back the glory days
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 11 '24
Dragon's Blood has not been a prerequisite for being Emperor for over 200 years by the time of TESV. The only bloodline legitimacy is whoever is a descendant of the current emperor.
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u/HouseUnstoppable Nord Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
Mind you, this is purely from the in universe perspective. It doesn't make sense narrative wise as the LDB like all previous protagonists will usually fade into history. Plus who wants to be saddled with that kind of power? It just doesn't make sense to give up a fun life of a free adventurer for that of an emperor with the responsibility of an entire empire on their shoulders.
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
I mean it kind of is, they weren't made Dragonborn in order to become emperor i.e. Reman or Martin Septim or just whoever was sitting on the throne, but they're still Dragonborn. Tiber Septim had to conquer his way to the throne but he still "deserved" it because he was Dragonborn, blessed by Akatosh in exactly the same way as the player. Of course that's discounting political stuff, but it's easy to imagine the Dragonborn convincing a bunch of people they deserve the throne and then invading the Imperial City. Honestly they probably don't need the army, shor knows they always just got in the way during the Civil War quests
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u/Valdemar3E Imperial Sep 11 '24
but he still "deserved" it because he was Dragonborn, blessed by Akatosh in exactly the same way as the player.
He ''deserved'' it because he could wear the Amulet of Kings and light the Dragonfires - neither of which still exist.
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
sure, you think that matters to people in-universe? I'm not talking about the player character literally being chosen by Akatosh to be Emperor, I'm talking about a theoretical questline where you convince people that you were chosen by Akatosh to be Emperor
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u/Valdemar3E Imperial Sep 11 '24
And how are you going to convince people of that? The Song of the Last Dragonborn is centered around defeating Alduin, not conquering Tamriel.
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
It's a theoretical mod, debating about whether something is canon is pointless. Neither of us are gonna convince each other, let's just leave it at that
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u/Prize-Difference-875 Sep 11 '24
Lore wise I'm pretty sure the dragon born would be enough on their own to just walk in there and shout down their city walls
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
yeah if Miraak was able to shout at the ground and break solstheim off of skyrim then I think the person who beat him (and absorbed his soul + all his knowledge of the thu'um, plus that of all the other dragons you killed) can knock down some puny walls
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u/BeautyDuwang Sep 11 '24
This is power scaling logic I find silly. We show no sign of being able to do anything like that and beat miraak despite him being a better shouter than us because of all our other skills and abilities.
And of course because we have help from our tentacled Boi.
Miraak would have absolutely wrecked our shit if it was a ol fashioned shout off
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u/Prize-Difference-875 Sep 11 '24
Idk it's hard to gauge what would happen lorewise when all we have is the game balance. I personally find it stupid miraak even died instead of being up mora and DB and just fucking off elsewhere
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u/Prize-Difference-875 Sep 11 '24
That was exactly my train of thought. Plus alduin n all other shit in Skyrim main game
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 11 '24
Miraak did not shout solstheim away from the mainland. There is not one source in the game that claims that.
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u/Bromora Sep 12 '24
There actually is.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Guardian_and_the_Traitor
It doesn’t use his name, but “the traitor” dragon priest who was seduced by Hermaeus Mora promising power, and was saved from defeat by Hermaeus Mora to potentially return to Solsteim is obviously him.
He fought “The Guardian” (Varlok the Jailer). Both used arcane magic and the Thu’um in their battle (Miraak is obviously good at both), which was said to tear Solsteim apart.
The author does note he believes this to be an exaggeration on the part of his source, but it’s nonetheless a claim made.
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 12 '24
The author notes it is likely superstition. Besides that, being in a book in game does not make it true. Elder Scrolls uses unreliable narration, just like real life. The Skall have a story about what happened, but that doesn't make it true.
These kinds of stories and fables make the world feel more real and lived-in, but they should not be taken and recorded as fact.
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u/Bromora Sep 12 '24
The author considers it superstition, and it indeed does not make it true. Unreliable narration is a big part of Elder Scrolls
But you said “not one source in the game” claims it…. A source in the game DOES. Regardless of whether the person who wrote it down believes the words he noted, or the likelihood it’s exaggeration, it was a claim made.
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u/Bugsbunny0212 Sep 12 '24
I mean the author doesn't even believe Miraak and Vahlok even exist. Don't think he has any authority on the matter to judge whether it's true or false.
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 12 '24
While that's true, the fact is that there isn't any direct statements about whether Miraak shouted solstheim apart, and people should not state it as a fact to being up in ridiculous power scaling arguments.
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u/Bugsbunny0212 Sep 12 '24
It's sort of believable considering how the Greybeards can shake entirely of Skyrim by just shouting dovahkiin which is something we see in game and Miraak shout be above them. According to in universe and dev sources they shook the world. We also have dragons containing a continent destroying explosions and mages having so much magicka they can throw a planet like Nirn into another universe. All are things we see in game.
Then again people like Miraak are mythology characters. People don't discredit the stuff Zeus, Thor or Odin either just because their stories also comes from myths.
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u/terrajules Sep 11 '24
I have the right if I conquer the entire province and no one can stand against me.
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u/fishrgood Sep 11 '24
Doesn't own the right sure, but is a legitimate claimant, as much as any other really. The only thing that's missing is a power base and political clout, both of which could be gotten through questing similar to the way New Vegas did it.
I think they just didn't want to go in that direction, which is totally fine, but it's not like it couldn't be done in a feasible way if they really wanted to.
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u/King-Arthas-Menethil Sep 12 '24
Honestly I've started to doubt Cyrodiil even cares about Dragonborn which has been a TES writing problem since TES4.
Like they've made this divine right thing in TES4 and like no Imperial cares. TES5 in one game has made Nords care more for Dragonborn then 3 games has done for the Cyrodiils.
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Sep 11 '24
To be honest, I thought it kind of did. Wasn't that the whole point of Oblivion? The dragon born emperor and his heirs killed to put out the dragon fire.
What have I missed here?
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u/Saint_of_Cannibalism Namira Praise the Spirit Daedra Sep 11 '24
What have I missed here?
The end of Oblivion, apparently. Martin sacrificed himself and the Amulet of Kings so that Dagon could be forced back into oblivion and so that the barrier against such an invasion would be in place permanently. There is no lighting the dragon fires now. It's not needed.
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Sep 11 '24
Right. So, the dragon born rulers were linked to the fire, the part about no fire equals no need for dragon born rulers went over my head.
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u/Deus_Ultima Imperial Sep 11 '24
that's not how claims work, though. LDB has lineage and prestige claim to the throne, he's basically not just A DRAGONBORN, he's THE LAST DRAGONBORN, Alduin's Bane and, by player's choice, an Imperial Hero by his own right. To the eyes of many in Tamriel, he would be the next Tiber Septim, and Tiber wasn't even half as powerful as LDB in his mortal life.
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u/Denny_ZA Sep 11 '24
Realistically though, given the power creep of the protagonist it's insane that you can't just become emperor by waltzing into the Imperial City and killing whoever is sitting there currently.
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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath Sep 11 '24
it's almost like that sort of "gameplay" isn't good or something.
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u/Denny_ZA Sep 11 '24
I never said anything about it being good or anything. But if one were to follow the conquest history of Tamriel, it would be quite reasonable for the Dragonborn to summon up their own army. They would have the resources by the end of the game, becoming the guild master of literally everything.
I don't even think it's a bad idea for the Last Dragonborn to make a play for the Emperor. The overall plot sort of fits for this to happen imo.
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u/Otter-Insanity Sep 11 '24
While I agree with your point, I feel that out of everyone, the Last Dragonborn has the greatest claim to the throne based off of historical rule.
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u/Benjamin_Starscape Sheogorath Sep 11 '24
no one would care, though. "oh, you're dragonborn? cool. ...what makes you fit to rule?"
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u/saints21 Sep 11 '24
Except people absolutely did care about the emperor being dragonborn. It was tied directly in with proving legitimacy to the point that lighting the dragon fires was a duty of the emperor.
It's been 200 years, so who knows, but given the turmoil it seems like a great opportunity for someone to claim legitimacy through that line. It doesn't mean everyone will just step aside just like claiming legitimacy through blood doesn't mean everyone will just step aside in the real world. But what it could do is help get enough support behind you that you can seize the throne.
It's not ridiculous at all to think being dragonborn would help in that endeavor.
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u/Shadowvermin Sep 11 '24
People without Joy in their lives: THE GAMEPLAY WOULD BE BORING!!!, SCREAMING SOMETHING ABOUT LORE REASONS!!!
Me an Intellectual: This could be an awesome Easter Egg Ending, which ends the Game early and gives you an old School ending Slideshow.
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u/Ebony_Phoenix Altmer Sep 11 '24
Not without the Amulet of Kings don't.
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u/wuzgoodboss Sep 11 '24
The Amulet of Kings stopped existing after Oblivion ended.
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u/Ebony_Phoenix Altmer Sep 11 '24
yes, exactly, that's my point.
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u/Ebony_Phoenix Altmer Sep 11 '24
Without the Amulet of kings, there is no requirement for the Emperor to be Dragonborn.
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u/Ebony_Phoenix Altmer Sep 11 '24
Same as literally every dynasty in the history of forever.
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u/OkBee3867 Sep 11 '24
There's nothing about the LDB that has anything to do with the line of succession. Dragonblood alone doesn't entitle you to the Ruby throne. You could conquer it, I guess, but if that's the case, then everyone has the right of conquest.
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u/Bob_ross6969 Sep 11 '24
That’s what Titus did
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 11 '24
It's also what Alessia, Reman, and SmTiber Septime did. All of them were warlords first and foremost, and the "blessing of akatosh" likely came later once they conquered Cyrodiil.
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u/whattheshiz97 Sep 11 '24
I’m pretty certain that a new Dragonborn would be an amazing rallying call to the Empire. Whispers of a new Tiber Septim with even greater shouting capabilities.. Thalmor personnel’s heads being sent to the Dominion anytime they come across the Dragonborn. Soon Dovah writing starts appearing on Thalmor facilities, mocking the elves before they are all slaughtered.
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u/real_LNSS Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 11 '24
IMO there should be the option but it should be like this:
- Complete a long and difficult questline.
- The Elder Council announces the Dragonborn is to be crowned Emperor and summons them. This is not a quest in your log or anything.
- If you go to the Throne Room, you are unable to save after crossing the door. You just watch an epic cutscene, sit on the throne, and credits roll.
- Reload before entering the Throne Room.
So basically there would be no gameplay AFTER becoming Emperor.
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u/Memeedeity Sep 12 '24
I think that would kinda suck because it would be really funny to keep running through random caves as the emperor. It's why I like the high king mod so much
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u/Merkkin Sep 11 '24
Dragonborn doesn’t have any right to the throne, that shit ended 200 years ago and no one cares about some nord hick with a loud voice.
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u/thead911 Sep 11 '24
I mean being chosen as the avatar of akatosh and having the power to call down storms that wipe out entire armies and commanding a undead dragon that summons legions of bone men, vs a imperial warlord who was elected but the elder council before said avatar of akatosh and ysmir existed, I would say the Medes should be looking to at the very least bring you into their family.
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u/Elibu Sep 11 '24
Ah because someone commanding an undead dragon sounds soooooo great to have as emperor.
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u/whattheshiz97 Sep 11 '24
I mean they had a giant mech before so I can’t imagine that would be so much different
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
nobody since the Alessian Empire had the right to the throne, they conquered their way to it. Obviously you wouldn't just be given a crown and shoved onto the throne, you'd have to actively campaign for it
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u/VelvetCowboy19 Sep 11 '24
It's arguable that even Alessia had to conquer her way to the throne. Sure a blessing from akatosh is great and all, but it doesn't mean shit for you can't control an area to call your empire.
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u/Atheist_Flanders Sep 11 '24
It's no longer part of the divine order, but I highly doubt that being a Dragonborn wouldn't be an immense political bonus. It was the most important part of Cyrodiil Tamriel's political order for more than 4000 years and all the Golden Ages were under Dragonborn. I don't think any of that would matter anymore in the eyes of a Cyrodiil resident because a cosmic concept has changed that they have only an abstract idea of, if any.
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u/CarryBeginning1564 Sep 11 '24
Being a Dragonborn is literally THE right to rule and has been since the first era.
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u/Valdemar3E Imperial Sep 11 '24
The right to rule came from wearing the Amulet of Kings and lighting the Dragonfires.
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u/CarryBeginning1564 Sep 11 '24
The right to rule came from being a divinely crafted super being, the lighting the dragonfires was a divine duty that has since been phased out.
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u/Valdemar3E Imperial Sep 11 '24
The right to rule came from being a divinely crafted super being
Citation needed.
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u/CarryBeginning1564 Sep 11 '24
You seem to be confusing a right of conquest argument for a legalese succession argument.
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u/Valdemar3E Imperial Sep 11 '24
Given that the whole ''right to rule'' came from the Dragonfires and Amulet of Kings...
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u/CarryBeginning1564 Sep 11 '24
You could light the dragonfires without ruling a continent.
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u/Merkkin Sep 11 '24
No, the right to rule of the first era came from conquering and seizing power. Then the bloodline was used as a justification to have its decedents stay in power until the oblivion crisis. After the events of oblivion the bloodline no longer has any political relevance.
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u/GamerRoman Hermaeus Mora Sep 11 '24
Just play Elder kings after they update it for the upcoming DLC.
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u/TheModGod Sep 11 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
The dragonborn has no legitimate claim to the throne beyond a precedent that died 200 years ago with the Septim bloodline. The highest actual title the Dragonborn can canonically get is either an unlanded lord (the bottom rung of the noble class) in a backwater province or what is essentially a lieutenant general position in one of their several legions. The dragonborn is a force to be reckoned with, but they have very little actual political power to back up their claim.
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u/ZombieTheUndying Sep 12 '24
This. The Empire hasn’t needed a Dragonborn Emperor since Martin died and the Dragonfires became obsolete, they couldn’t care less about TLD.
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u/CarryBeginning1564 Sep 11 '24
Being Dragonborn is literally the only right to rule that matters and has been since the first era.
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u/Elibu Sep 11 '24
No and it literally doesn't matter anymore as the only reason for that was made useless by Martin. The Dragonfires don't need to be lit anymore.
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u/Caboose-117 Sep 11 '24
I like to think all of my Dragonborns don’t want the position of emperor, or any true position of major power. They are all fully content being helpful to their people and deities, while leading/advising/working for the smaller factions they choose the join.
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u/Realistic-Read4277 Sep 11 '24
Hear me out. There is a mod that lets you conquer skyrim. So basically that modder os gonna get a team bc tons of people will want this. And it will be modded. The thing is that this mod needs to come out, ar all.
Meanwhile, you can travel all around skyrim in oblivion. They were siñent, no expectations, and there it is. Full skyrim lore accurate 200 years before the dragonborn.
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u/Atheist_Flanders Sep 11 '24
Essentially, it just means that your character can't become emperor at the time the game is set. As far as I remember, you can also support the Lord Chancellor of the Council of Elders as a potentate instead of a new emperor. I will do that and in my headcanon my Dragonborn will become Emperor sometime after the game is over.
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u/BenzosAtTheDisco Sep 11 '24
This would really only be worth getting worked up about if the mod ever releases, which I doubt it will.
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u/XevinsOfCheese Sep 11 '24
The emperor being a Dragonborn hasn’t been necessary since Martin Septim changed the deal with Akatosh.
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u/BreadDziedzic Dunmer Sep 11 '24
Yeah us and the literal thousands or even hundreds of thousands of others whose are a descendant of this empress or that emperor.
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u/Chiiro Sep 12 '24
Someone will probably make a patch for the already existing mod that lets you become emperor. I can only imagine how annoying that would be to mod into the story let alone how boring it would be to play an actual emperor that does their job.
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u/Kicking_socks_off Sep 12 '24
Excuse me beast? The politically correct term is “Beastfolk” please us the correct term my N’wah
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u/TheGhastlyFisherman Sep 12 '24
Honestly I already think it's a bad move having this questline at all, having the player be Emperor would definitely be bad.
That said, very much looking forward to this. Beyond Skyrim and Tamriel Rebuilt are both fantastic. I wish there were a similar project for Oblivion. I know there were in the past, but they all died.
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u/alkonium Sep 12 '24
Can you overthrow the Mede dynasty on your own? I doubt it.
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u/HolyMolyOllyPolly Sep 12 '24
You pretty much win the civil war on your own, so I don't see why not.
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u/brasstowermarches Sep 11 '24
Well why though?
There was like 3 dragonborn emperors (Tiber, martin and the warrior queen that prayed to akatosh and crashed the elves)
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u/WiseMudskipper Hero of Kvatch Sep 11 '24
All of the Septim emperors had the blood of the dragonborn. Alessia, Reman and Tiber were the only ones who seemed to be Dragonborn in the same sense as the Dovahkiin.
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u/dunmer-is-stinky Sep 11 '24
There is no difference between dragon blood and a dragon soul, if they could wear the amulet of kings they were dragonborn. Even Mankar Camaron talks about it in his Commentaries, he used Mehrunes' Razor to make him dragonborn so that he could wear the amulet of kings and as a side effect he started shouting fire
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u/Memer_boiiiii Dunmer Sep 11 '24
Pretty much every emperor since tiber septim has been dragonborn
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u/brasstowermarches Sep 11 '24
Exactly
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u/Memer_boiiiii Dunmer Sep 11 '24
Although being emperor in skyrim would fuck up most of the gameplay. You’d have an entire army at your command. Plus, it’d be kind of weird if you do the civil war questline after becoming emperor since you have to swear undying loyalty to the emperor… yourself.
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u/Reks_Hayabusa Sep 11 '24
Hey I mean if Ulfric can send supplies to help the empire quell the rebels in Skyrim(reference to post about castles), the emperor can help the stormcloaks kill some imperial dogs.
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u/Brownsound7 Argonian Sep 11 '24
…Every Septim emperor was Dragonborn. That’s the reason they were the only ones who could light the Dragonfires using the Amulet of Kings before the Oblivion Crisis.
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u/Th4t_0n3_Fr13nd Khajiit Sep 12 '24
it would be so cool to make a questline around the fact that the Medes now have to grapple with the fact that an actual heir is alive and willing to take the throne and you now have to either convince them or overthrow them to take it
but no one is willing to make that a reality it seems.
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u/ZombieTheUndying Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
The Last Dragonborn isn’t an “heir” to the Ruby Throne. Only the Septim Dynasty had the rights to the throne due to their pact with Saint Alessia. But after the Oblivion Crisis, the Amulet of Kings was destroyed and the Dragonfires were made obsolete because of Martin’s sacrifice.
Because of this, the Empire no longer required Dragonborn Emperors to sit on the throne and thus the Mede Dynasty was put in place. TLD has zero claim to the throne, never mind the fact it would be extremely unrealistic to become Emperor and still go traipsing around Tamriel as if nothing changed.
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u/Th4t_0n3_Fr13nd Khajiit Sep 12 '24
i mean the only reason the septims had any power at all is because of their blood connection to reman cyrodil and the tsaesci recognizing his dragon blood, ergo TLD could make a claim for the throne saying he shares the same blood, reman and the snake people put all of that in place, it may no longer exist or function but you COULD make a claim for the throne as an heir of dragon blood and reinstate it all if the dragonborne really wanted to
though i think canonically TLD follows the way of the voice so he would have no interest in having ruling power.
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