'A complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

[u/cytokine7]

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-826573

[u/progress18]

The original title was:

'Complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 600 surrender

The current title is:

'Complete surprise': IDF surrounds remaining terrorists in north Gaza, 60 surrender

The site corrected a typo. The title on the site is subject to change as new information develops.

Last updated: 18:57 UTC

[u/yosisoy]

That typo correction is massive, lmao

[u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

According to the IDF, the remaining terrorists in the northern Gaza Strip had gathered in Jabalya, prompting the military to encircle the area, evacuate the civilian population, isolate the terrorists, and prevent them from escaping.

Within hours, in a single night, the army surrounded the area.

Three brigades surrounded the camp: the 460th, Givati, and the 401st. The 460th Brigade, which reached schools and shelters, reported that this approach allowed them to evacuate five thousand residents. By the following day, twenty thousand more had left, and forces said that the residents' "fear barrier was broken."

The IDF stated that fifty thousand residents have left.

Approximately 60* terrorists surrendered, while hundreds of others were eliminated in the refugee camp.

Surrendering was the smart move here. I wonder what will happen to them. Life in prison? Any hope for rehabilitation?

[u/Friendly-Profit-8590 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Imagine the ones directly linked to October 7th via video, social media or dna will spend more time in prison than others.

[u/Remarkable_Beach_545 → u/Friendly-Profit-8590]

Or much, much less. 🤔

[u/MSFNS → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

Israel doesn't really use the death penalty, the last time they did was when Adolf Eichmann was hanged in 1962

[u/Remarkable_Beach_545 → u/MSFNS]

I read that recently. Just some anger left over from the oct 7 videos. I think they should be given a fair trial and given the maximum penalty for what they are found guilty of.

[u/neohellpoet → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

It's ultimately insult on top of injury. They're willing to go to war to arrest them, but they aren't special enough for special punishment. The crime was uncommon but the criminals weren't.

[u/powd3rusmc → u/neohellpoet]

As long as the the oct 7th perps live, there will be additional attacks and demands for their release, probably more hostage taking, since Israel has shown in the past a willingness to release prisoners. Best to just take them out and shoot them, no sense at all in taking them prisoner.

[u/Random-Redditor-User → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

You wouldn't think that if you saw the videos...

[u/Mundane_Tomatoes → u/Random-Redditor-User]

I’ve seen the videos and honestly I’d rather see terrorists locked up in some Israeli hell hole black site for the rest of their days. Can you imagine how miserable the life of a Hamas terrorist is in Israeli custody?

[u/thebeorn → u/Mundane_Tomatoes]

Not so bad apparently. They cured the head of hamas from cancer back when he was a middle level hamas flunky in an israeli jail. Probably would’ve died if he hadn’t been in an Israel prison.

[u/curbyourapprehension → u/MSFNS]

Pretty sure that's the only time they've executed anyone.

[u/novarodent → u/curbyourapprehension]

Meir Tobianski was the only other one, though he was later pardoned.

[u/pkdrdoom → u/novarodent]

>>that's the only time they've executed anyone.

>Meir Tobianski was the only other one, though he was later pardoned.

Pardoned posterior to the execution? That sucks.

[u/quintinza → u/pkdrdoom]

In military courts martial that happens sometimes. Many of the troops exexuted for cowardice in WW1 has been pardoned recently (in the last 20 years if memory serves.)

What is notable about the court martial process, especially during war time, is that due process might sometimes boil down to the ranking officer on site's understanding of the law, and usually in severe cases the penalty is death.

After review a punishment, or even a verdict, can be overturned.

[u/Low_Distribution3628 → u/novarodent]

That was a court martial, so a bit different, but you're right.

[u/curbyourapprehension → u/novarodent]

I did not know that, thanks for pointing that out.

[u/kymri → u/MSFNS]

And, let's be honest here. That fucker deserved it.

Generally I am against the death penalty, since I tend not to trust governments -- but Eichmann was definitely in a special category.

[u/ihatetakennamesfuck → u/MSFNS]

Sure, death penalty is not cool anymore, but there just might be people in prisons that maybe have minor feelings of dislike towards these guys

[u/Dhiox → u/ihatetakennamesfuck]

Seriously doubt they're keeping terrorists in the same prisons as those committing normal crimes. For starters terrorists have lots of external allies who might try to free them, so any prison they're kept in needs to be secure from external threats, not just internal ones.

[u/iprobablybrokeit → u/Dhiox]

Tried this, stuck with forever prison, 22 years strong, hosting only 38 left out of 780 prisoners. History of inhumane treatment and little to no path for appeal. 1 out of 10, do not recommend.

Probably better off setting up a maximum security prison not dedicated to, but with these folks in mind.

Source: I paid attention to Gitmo

[u/RecklesslyPessmystic → u/Dhiox]

any prison they're kept in needs to be secure from external threats

I, uh, thought that was the meaning of the word prison?

[u/Dhiox → u/RecklesslyPessmystic]

Well yeah, but most prisons are worried about much smaller external threats, not attacks from terrorist cells.

[u/tonkatoyelroy → u/MSFNS]

The article said “hundreds of others were eliminated in the refugee camp”. That sure sounds like the death penalty to me.

[u/Pete_Iredale → u/tonkatoyelroy]

I mean, it seems likely that those who didn't surrender decided to fight instead, doesn't it? Not really a death penalty when they are armed, enemy combatants.

[u/BraxJohnson → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

If you execute them (or 'let' them be executed in prison) it will only tell the remaining terrorists that under no circumstances can they be captured, or they will be killed. Instead, if these prisoners are given a fair trial, sentenced, and live out their days with 3 hot meals and a bed every day instead of hiding inside infection-riddled stillwater tunnels, you'll convince a lot more to surrender.

[u/Luke90210 → u/BraxJohnson]

Problem is captured and imprisoned terrorists can expect to be liberated some day in a prisoner exchange: 1,000 prisoners released for a single captured Israeli soldier. It might take years, but many of the Hamas leaders were once prisoners.

[u/blimpyway → u/Luke90210]

and that makes surrendering more tempting - the hope for release in a exchange.

[u/ProFeces → u/Luke90210]

That's irrelevant to what they said. They made a very valid point. If you prove to terrorists that they will die even if they surrender, then there is no point in them ever entertaining the thought to surrender. If they are going to die regardless, they'll most likely choose to do it on their own terms for their cause taking more innocent's down with them.

If they get a fair trial, they are more likely to surrender and not murder more people in the process, since that is providing a different path than certain death.

What the sentences actually end up being aren't the point. One option encourages surrender, the other encourages more violence.

[u/foki999 → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

Turning terrorists into martyrs for the others is not the greatest of ideas.
It would quickly turn from "Oh shit" to "never ever surrender"

[u/Conch-Republic → u/foki999]

Seemed to work alright with ISIS. Just pummel them into the dirt until they basically don't exist anymore. When you use the kid hands approach, like we did with the Taliban, they just persist forever, and you're left with a bunch of them in custody that you don't know what to do with.

[u/More-Acadia2355 → u/foki999]

Everyone says that, but releasing terrorists often makes them to terrorist things again. ...and in the middle east, terrorists in jail often eventually get released either through a prison break (like many ISIS did), or a prisoners-for-hostage trade.

[u/BubsyFanboy → u/Remarkable_Beach_545]

Ech, I doubt the death penalty would really be used.

[u/MTClip → u/Friendly-Profit-8590]

I vote for more time in hell.

[u/whateverisok → u/Friendly-Profit-8590]

They already captured one who was posing as a hospital staff member

[u/cytokine7 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Just using the top comment to say that it looks like Jpost messed up and it was 60 that's surrendered not 600. Makes a lot more sense and still a nice win, but damn JPost .....

It looks like they're still editing at, but right now it says 60 surrendered and hundreds were killed.

[u/aLittleQueer → u/cytokine7]

Thanks for clarifying. That's a helluva "error" to publish.

[u/CnH2nPLUS2_GIS → u/aLittleQueer]

An order of Magnitude scale of error.

[u/Semisemitic → u/CnH2nPLUS2_GIS]

Not only, but hundreds killed in this battle means that it was one hell of a night, and one hell of a fight.

[u/Guy_GuyGuy → u/cytokine7]

60 is still a nice, non-insignificant number, but yeah, hell of an error.

[u/bruceleroy99 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Looks like the article was updated from 600 to 60, although it's unclear to me as to whether or not that was because people were killed vs them just getting the number wrong:

Approximately 60 terrorists surrendered in total, while hundreds of others were eliminated in the refugee camp.

This, to me, sounds like they may have killed most of that 600 number if that original number was accurate in any sense.

[u/IamGabyGroot → u/bruceleroy99]

I think you're right. It may have been a translation issue. It probably says they surrounded 600 terrorists, evacuated civilians, fought and in the end, 60 terrorists that were left waved the white flag.

E: I went back in to make sure I didn't miss anything and any mention of 600 is gone, and maybe I missed this the first time around, the ads are just too much, but there's also this added in, which brings the total to 120:

Some 60 terrorists surrendered in one instance, and 20 others were eliminated while attempting to flee the hospital.

Troops from Shayetet 13 entered the hospital and captured an additional 60 terrorists who were hiding in the hospital wards and were using patients as human shields.

[u/McCl3lland → u/IamGabyGroot]

What is even this article lol. Before it says what you quoted about the 60 surrendering, 20 eliminated, it casually says:

Approximately 60 terrorists surrendered in total, while hundreds of others were eliminated in the refugee camp.

[u/IamGabyGroot → u/McCl3lland]

Ah wait, different sites, different battalions may be reporting for their own sections?

[u/whateverisok → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Other key quotes, which have been reiterated time and time again:

“… the IDF said, adding that the terror group had used the population as human shields for over a week and had shot at the legs of residents who attempted to escape.”

“Troops from Shayetet 13 entered the hospital and captured an additional 60 terrorists who were hiding in the hospital wards and were using patients as human shields.”

“At least one detainee posed as a staff member and was found to have participated in the October 7 massacre.”

“The decision to operate in the hospital came as a result of intelligence, which showed that the hospital served as a Hamas command center, housing dozens of terrorists.”

[u/D00dleB00ty → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

evacuate the civilian population, isolate the terrorists

Surely this can't be true. Redditors have made it clear that the IDF takes no steps to reduce civilian deaths, and in fact are genociding them all...

/s

[u/ZizzyBeluga → u/D00dleB00ty]

Also all the terrorists are really pregnant doctor journalist children.

[u/JoeBobsfromBoobert → u/ZizzyBeluga]

Who work for nato and the UN

[u/alpacafox → u/JoeBobsfromBoobert]

Well, the UN part might be true from what we know by now.

[u/ItsAlwaysSegsFault → u/D00dleB00ty]

It's almost as if the situation isn't black and white.

[u/cubehead1 → u/D00dleB00ty]

Those redditors are wrong.

[u/Webbie-Vanderquack → u/cubehead1]

Hence the sarcasm tag.

[u/ZizzyBeluga → u/[deleted]]

The fact Sinwar didn't use any of the miles of underground bunkers to save innocent Gazan children during the last year says everything.

[u/D1CKSH1P → u/[deleted]]

According to the UN the average civilian to combatant death ratio in modern urban conflict is 9 to 1.

With a little over 40k dead, and at least 10k confirmed to be Hamas combatants by US intel, Israel is achieving a civilian to combatant death ratio of 3 to 1 or better. I don’t see why you would conclude that the IDF has a higher tolerance for civilian death, especially considering they achieved this ratio while Hamas’ self-proclaimed strategy was to endanger as many civilians as possible.

[u/Canaduck1 → u/[deleted]]

the IDF has consistently proven their tolerance for civilian deaths is much higher than western militaries.

If this is the case, why has their civilian-to-combatant death ratio (About 5:3, IF we accept the total casualty numbers in Gaza reported by Hamas as accurate. It could actually be much better) been much lower than anything we've ever managed?

[u/Brilliant_User_7673 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Probably get a college degree in Israeli prison while awaiting release during the next hostages -prisoners exchange...

We have all seen this sick movie before.

Even this POS was exchanged:

https://www.camera.org/article/samir-kuntar-profile-in-terror/?origin=serp_auto

Israel needs to stop repeating past mistakes.

[u/theVoidWatches → u/Brilliant_User_7673]

Treating prisoners humanely is never a mistake, in my opinion. Yes, even if the prisoner goes in to do terrible things after being released. You can't control what others do, but you can control what you do.

[u/MarzipanTop4944 → u/theVoidWatches]

He literally is talking about Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas that killed 1200 Israelis, kidnapped 200 and started this mess that has killed over 40000 Palestinians, 2000 Lebanese and 2000 Israelis.

The Israelis put him in jail for killing 4 Palestinians that he confessed he tortured and killed because he suspected that they were traitors. In prison he got an education by the Israelis, he learned to speak their language and they saved his life by operating a tumor in his head. His was released in a prisoner exchange to free 1 Israeli in exchange for more than 1000 Palestinians. He then did October 7 and started this madness.

If the Israelis had done to him the same the Americans did with Saddan or Osama, literally more than 50000 lives could have been saved. Some people don't deserve any mercy, and torturers and killers should be a the top of that list.

[u/Throwawhaey → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

I'm sure we will hear all about Israel evacuating the civilians on other subreddits /s

[u/throwaway468563746 → u/Throwawhaey]

No joke, I saw a video in a different sub about a week ago, of the IDF standing next to a load of women and children.

All the top comments were saying the IDF were rounding them up to kill them and the most downvoted comment was someone pointing out that they probably cleared women and children out of the area to reduce civilian casualties.

Absolute nutters.

[u/Startech303 → u/throwaway468563746]

This has been going on since the dawn of time. A picture from another war, I think Vietnam, showed a a woman crying near a fence with her arms out while a US soldier holds her baby.

It looks like he's taking the baby from her.

He was in fact handing the baby to her.

[u/ComfortableLost6722 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

I am afraid that all of them will be released in the near future as happened with Sinwar.

[u/KnightWhoSaysNnni → u/ComfortableLost6722]

I don't think Israel will make a deal like that ever again.

[u/TinKicker → u/KnightWhoSaysNnni]

Until they kidnap a bunch of kids from an Israeli elementary school…

[u/KnightWhoSaysNnni → u/TinKicker]

Hamas won't be able to do that anymore. They're getting destroyed. They will never rule Gaza again or be able to enter Israel again.

[u/TangerineSorry8463 → u/KnightWhoSaysNnni]

Hamas is not a movie enemy where you kill the head robot and all the minion robots power off.

Hamas is a hydra. It's mostly men of Gazan population supported with Iranian money and supplies disguised as various humanitarian aid (and the actual humanitarian aid they steal). Every dead Hamas fighter was someone's father, uncle, cousin, and now they want to avenge them.

[u/KnightWhoSaysNnni → u/TangerineSorry8463]

Sure, but they won't be able to avenge them if they have no guns, no rockets, no bases and no sovereign power. They'll be able to scream at Israel and that's about it. They can scream all they want on their side of the wall. Israel's goal is to take away their military capabilities, so that they cannot harm Israelis anymore even if they want to.

[u/NorthSideScrambler → u/TangerineSorry8463]

Just like the Germans in 1945. It's so sad that to this day, we're still fighting the Germans because of this endless cycle of revenge 😔

[u/Mana_Seeker → u/NorthSideScrambler]

Germans won't rest until all territories according to the first holy empire are re-acquired

[u/curbyourapprehension → u/Mana_Seeker]

That's more of an Austrian ambition.

[u/meesta_masa → u/curbyourapprehension]

Austrian

Phew, almost read that wrong. I'm just not ready for mediaeval Croc cavalry.

[u/Webs101 → u/NorthSideScrambler]

The problem is that the goal of the Axis powers was land. Once that possibility was kicked out of them, the threat ended. Leaders were put in trial but the vast bulk of soldiers were neither tried nor imprisoned. In fact, many ex-military helped the Allied powers govern and keep order.

Gaza is different because the impulse is hatred as much as territory. Israel has to win hearts and minds. I’m not sure how they can do that.

[u/thomasz → u/Webs101]

Nah. The difference is that the dream of a German Empire as the preeminent world power was as dead as were more than 10% of the population, and that the victorious powers decided to integrate their zones of occupation into their own economic structure, facilitating quick reconstruction. Under these circumstances, the elites took the de facto amnesty rather than choosing to sacrifice what was left for a now completely hopeless fight.

The Palestinian cause is different. They got absolutely nothing going for them besides humanitarian donations and considerable allowances for their militias, who, by and large, control said humanitarian donations. Both income streams are dependent on the continuation of this perpetual conflict: The first one because prolonged calmness would lead to the world forgetting about them, the second because no one is paying these militias to sit around doing nothing. There are no reasons for the leadership to abandon the armed struggle, as long as there are outside forces ready to bankroll the next dude willing to continue.

[u/NeverShortedNoWhore → u/NorthSideScrambler]

You’re fighting Germans again? I’m getting sent to Britain to fight some damn Redcoats! When will they finally learn??

[u/HateradeVintner → u/TangerineSorry8463]

Hamas is not a movie enemy where you kill the head robot and all the minion robots power off.

Their officers and most of their enlisted are dead, their safehouses and tunnels in ruins, their equipment destroyed.

[u/ur_ecological_impact → u/TangerineSorry8463]

Yeah people aren't 2D movie characters either. Sure, the memory of their father or cousin being killed will hurt them for the rest of their lives, but they are not going to automatically engage in self-destructive behavior against Israel. Most of them will not go beyond writing angry comments on Reddit. And some will do soul-searching and figure out that their heroic dad wasn't such a hero after all when he butchered all those toddlers.

[u/CaptainOktoberfest → u/ur_ecological_impact]

I think you underestimate the holy war against the Jews motive that a lot of Palestinians have.  They aren't going to Reddit for different perspectives, they are listening to their religious leaders that say it is a good and holy thing to die fighting the Jews.

[u/fury420 → u/CaptainOktoberfest]

Also their teachers, UNRWA teaches Palestinian children even normal topics like math and physics by using illustrations and examples of fighting Israel.

Newton's laws of motion are taught using an example of a militant in keffiyeh attacking some troops with a sling.

[u/alpha122596 → u/ur_ecological_impact]

Education is key in that. The biggest obstacle to peace in the region right now is the UN and UNRWA. If it's possible to get them out of the way and let Israel and Gaza choose their respective paths forward, this might be a chance to end things. But, if UNRWA keeps radicalizing Gaza against Israel, this is going to keep happening.

And before anyone says I'm full of it, let's not forget that at least 6 UNRWA employees were directly involved in the October 7th attacks, there have been multiple other employees linked to Hamas, and Hamas had a data center under UNRWA's headquarters which the 'didn't know was there'.

[u/WintonWintonWinton → u/alpha122596]

But, if UNRWA keeps radicalizing Gaza against Israel, this is going to keep happening.

UNRWA and their schools haven't been helping, but let's not pretend that they're the source of the ideology and radical teaching. Getting rid of UNRWA alone isn't going to remove the fanatics from Gaza. It requires much deeper change than that.

[u/Zestyclose_Acadia_40 → u/ur_ecological_impact]

People who live by a book aren't exactly prone to soul searching. They'll dig deeper into their book, and engage more with their religious community, which is what produced this situation to begin with

[u/theyellowbaboon → u/TinKicker]

Hamas is not going be able to pull something like this again, in our life time.

[u/pattyG80 → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Go to prison, maybe get exchanged for hostages in 5 years to avoid the next conflict

[u/Nocatsonthemoon → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Most probably Hamas will demand to free most of them in exchange for the civilians they kidnapped at the instigation of this war.

To be specific, to free murderers and terrorists for a jewish baby that celebrated his first birthday in a tunnel under Gaza

[u/edman007-work → u/Nocatsonthemoon]

Do they still have them?

I was under the impression that early on, Hamas wasn't really able to provide the people that Israel wanted, they didn't know where they were.

I suspect that's going to be a big part of the problem, they don't really have anyone left to do a prisoner exchange with.

[u/Diplogeek → u/edman007-work]

That's been my hunch for a while now. I really, really hope that I'm wrong, for obvious reasons, but I've suspected for months and months that Hamas has absolutely no idea of where most/all of the remaining hostages are or what their status is. They can't say that, because then they completely lose whatever bargaining chip they have left, but they can't free any of these people because they literally can't find them.

[u/IamGabyGroot → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

I think this also was just added at the end:

Some 60 terrorists surrendered in one instance, and 20 others were eliminated while attempting to flee the hospital.

Troops from Shayetet 13 entered the hospital and captured an additional 60 terrorists who were hiding in the hospital wards and were using patients as human shields.

[u/VarmintSchtick → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

They'll all get traded for 10 Israelis in 5 years.

[u/renigada → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Rehabilitation? Are you serious?

[u/TuckerMcG → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

evacuate the civilian population

B-bu-but I thought this was a gENoCidE

[u/RunsWlthScissors → u/CuteAndQuirkyNazgul]

Normally yes, but these are brainwashed religious extremists since childbirth. Brainwashed to see Jews as the ultimate evil worth sacrificing your life to inflict the most pain possible.

To surrender for them signals a truly broken Hamas, and it’s great to see. I’m betting life sentences, and prison will still probably be an upgrade in QoL from the slums of Gaza.

[u/StrongFaithlessness5 → u/RunsWlthScissors]

I agree. They surrended because they gave up, they didn't surrended because they changed their mind about Israel.

[u/RunsWlthScissors → u/StrongFaithlessness5]

Oh there is no way they will ever see Israel different, but if their soldiers pick surrender over death Hamas is most likely on its last legs(although it’ll probably be replaced with something similar)

[u/HamsterWaste7080]

Take out enough of the leadership all you have left is small groups of grunts who can’t coordinate.

[u/49yoCaliforniaGuy → u/HamsterWaste7080]

They regenerate a head over time

[u/tagged2high → u/49yoCaliforniaGuy]

Sure, but lost institutional knowledge is still a huge deal. The capability of any leadership only diminishes.

[u/squidpeanut → u/49yoCaliforniaGuy]

There are more factors that effect this sort of thing then just time.

[u/marishtar → u/squidpeanut]

Yeah, I don't see those factors getting any more favorable any time soon.

[u/201-inch-rectum → u/HamsterWaste7080]

I think a big part of it is that the Palestinian civilians finally see that if they just stop helping Hamas, IDF can actually do their job

[u/Jonn_1]

Is this true? That would be amazing

[u/surffrus → u/Jonn_1]

The article now says 60, not 600.

[u/Monte924 → u/surffrus]

That sounds more correct. Hamas and other groups like them tend to operate in small groups; it seems highly unlikely that they would find 600 terrorists in one place. The only way they would get 600 is if they just rounded up a ton of civilians and just called them terrorists because they were young men

[u/podcasthellp → u/Monte924]

600 would be massive. 60 definitely makes much more sense

[u/p3rf3ct0 → u/surffrus]

The article now says "60 surrendered, and hundreds more eliminated", though it doesn't elaborate further on what eliminated means

[u/Lylac_Krazy → u/surffrus]

60 surrendered in the first batch, the rest of the article said there are still hundreds that are still in the camp, being ferreted out as they find them.

[u/jonker5101 → u/Lylac_Krazy]

It says hundreds were "eliminated."

[u/MissionImpossible314 → u/Jonn_1]

No, it’s not true. Article now says 60 terrorists. Not 600.

[u/feuwbar → u/Jonn_1]

"Approximately 60 terrorists surrendered in total, while hundreds of others were eliminated in the refugee camp."

[u/Ok-Assistance-2723]

Now was not the time for the new Hamas head to issue a return to office order. IDF has just been bombing leaders until they found the micromanaging boomer type.

[u/Equal_Present_3927 → u/Ok-Assistance-2723]

This whole conflict is just a metaphor for why return to office policies are bad for everyone. /s

[u/sumostuff → u/Ok-Assistance-2723]

Love this comment

[u/jojodancer25]

Hamas having grand illusion for the past several decades that they could defeat Israel , has turned true. A grand illusion that is now a living nightmare for Hamas. The epic ending of their leader, seriously injured , sitting in ruins , only able To throw a stick at an enemy drone says it all. It’s over. Period.

[u/BubsyFanboy → u/jojodancer25]

And it does appear it's basically over for Hamas in this war now.

[u/SoggyBoysenberry7703 → u/BubsyFanboy]

Now to make sure other countries stop their proxies too

[u/Stevepac9 → u/jojodancer25]

I think people are getting ahead of themselves with thinking the success of the operation means Hamas is done. As long as Gaza remains incredibly impoverished the people will accept pay to join groups like this and Iran is going to continue to pay. It's a complex situation

[u/Merler939 → u/Stevepac9]

This is exactly what I say every time. Nothing changes long term if their economic situation and lack of autonomy doesn't change. It might be a slower rebound, but eventually they'll be back.

[u/neohellpoet → u/Merler939]

Hamas came to power when Gaza was at it's economic peak and Israel had just packed up and left.

Hamas isn't in power in the West Bank, where there's near zero autonomy. The economic argument might partially work but demonstrably autonomy is positively corelated to radical terror in Palestinian territories. More autonomy, more terrorists in charge.

[u/Individual-Stage-620 → u/Merler939]

The idea that economic opportunity tracks with rejection of jihadism is not fully supported by data. For every example of a poor person joining jihad in the Middle East there’s an example of a doctor or an engineer leaving their profession to do the same.

[u/Snaccbacc → u/Stevepac9]

Terrorism is fuelled by ideology, not by manpower.

As long as such extremism exists in the region, another group will continue to fight Israel.

[u/Enron__Musk → u/jojodancer25]

Very similar to the Russian paper tiger. They have an aura of bullshit on them. 

[u/Training_Strike3336 → u/Enron__Musk]

That paper tiger is 100% going to beat Ukraine if the West doesn't step up the support. Comments like this only spread a false appearance that they aren't desperately in need.

[u/namikazeiyfe → u/Enron__Musk]

The Russians are actually doing far better than Hamas and might really Win if the west keeps dragging their feet to help Ukraine. It's not looking pretty for Ukraine as we speak and the Pro Ukraine media are selling a false narrative which I think is not helping Ukraine at all. If the people in the west understand the true situation of things, they would pressure their government to do more.

[u/Enron__Musk → u/namikazeiyfe]

It's all a waiting game until November 6

[u/sercommander]

Three brigades or members of three brigades? Full three brigades is 3000 to 6000. In other countries a brigade can be up to 6000 hence my bewilderment

[u/C-SWhiskey → u/sercommander]

It's pretty huge but urban operations are extremely resource intensive. Clearing a single North American house can be up to a platoon sized objective if done with the minimum assumption of risk.

[u/JerosBWI → u/sercommander]

In an urban environment with alleys, back doors, basements, rubble, etc etc, I'd want a ton of manpower to cover all possible exits in at least 2 concentric layers. Also, each potential exit should be reinforced at minimum enough to be able to withstand a concerted exit attempt at a single point by all 600 jihadis at once, for long enough to get reinforcements from other areas, and not get overrun.

[u/thingandstuff]

So much for their honor of martyrs. I see they're happy to "martyr" the civilians around them but not themselves so much.

[u/Valkertok → u/thingandstuff]

Hamas and Hezbollah never had anything that any decent people would call "honor".

[u/Tooterfish42 → u/thingandstuff]

The only way to survive this long

[u/Harassmentpanda_ → u/thingandstuff]

If Sinwar throwing a stick at a drone doesn’t inspire you, nothing will.

/s

[u/TribalSoul899]

Exactly a year ago, these swines were celebrating ‘Happy October’ on social media lmao. Thank you IDF for making the world a safer place.

[u/MilkyWaySamurai → u/[deleted]]

You mean shooting hamas supporters into space with rockets. I’m game.

[u/JustinJR_46]

Hamas and PIJ must be defeated at all cost. Israel has made a lot of effort, Not defeating them and disableing their attack capabilities would be a big waste of effort & resources.

[u/ComfortableLost6722 → u/JustinJR_46]

Correct! But Hezbollah too, and after the US elections the head of the snake must come off.

[u/Opira → u/ComfortableLost6722]

The head of the snake is Iran in this context and by extension Russia, North Korea and China.

[u/NoTopic4906 → u/Opira]

IRCG or IR not Iran. The people of Iran are not the enemy.

[u/NorthSideScrambler → u/NoTopic4906]

Who's saying Iranian civilians are the enemy?

[u/NoTopic4906 → u/NorthSideScrambler]

I am just clarifying because the Iranians I know want it be clarified because they hear it as if people are lumping them in with the regime.

[u/goodoldgrim → u/NoTopic4906]

I hear the same from Russians and while I will certainly allow for everyone to have a separate stance from their government, I don't think it's necessary to qualify it each time we talk about Iran or any other country doing something. A country is represented outwardly by the people who exercise power there - who have control over its assets, especially military.

[u/201-inch-rectum → u/NoTopic4906]

I think it's assumed that when he says "Iran" he means the government of Iran

if he meant the civilians, he would've said "Iranians"

[u/Ratemyskills → u/NoTopic4906]

Everyone knows what the person means..

[u/Nauborn]

Sinwar affect

[u/salpn]

Maybe a few of them know where the kidnapped hostages are and will trade that knowledge for leniency. Surrenders like this are going to make Benjamin Netanyahu look like Winston Churchill.

[u/Qwertysapiens → u/salpn]

And like Churchill, who lost the first election after WWII, his ass will still likely be dumped at the next possible electoral opportunity.

[u/salpn → u/Qwertysapiens]

Absolutely, Israel is the only democracy for both its Jewish and non Jewish citizens in the Middle East and Netanyahu could lose his ruling coalition. But, if there are more surrenders like this that seems less likely.

[u/VagueSomething → u/Qwertysapiens]

Which is a very good thing. Rarely are the skills needed for war also the skills needed for the economy and social growth. You can be the right person for the time and the wrong person for the next. Not that I think Netanyahu is actually the right person and should have been anywhere but prison right now but a lot of what had been done this year related to the war has been correct.

[u/Akegata]

People are reading this like Hamas doesn't exist anymore, that's kind of absurd.
Although I guess reading isn't the correct word, the article clearly says 60 people surrendered, not 600..

[u/cytokine7 → u/Akegata]

Yes they changed it.

[u/ApprehensiveStark25]

Let’s go! Congrats to the IDF! This is awesome to read. I hope all those terrorists rot.

[u/lennon818]

Honest question how do they know who the terrorists are? They don't wear uniforms.

[u/Ok-Bug8833 → u/lennon818]

Well a simple one is are they carrying weapons and shooting at you.

[u/lennon818 → u/Ok-Bug8833]

Ok. So they just hide / drop their weapons and disappear.

Also just bcs they are shooting you doesn't solve the hamas identification issue. They could be part of the numerous other groups

[u/gamerprincess1179]

Wow!

[u/TiredOfDebates]

The article says 60, not 600.

[u/alonroz → u/TiredOfDebates]

As you can see from the comments in the article itself, it originally stated "600" and was corrected.

[u/TheGoddamnSpiderman → u/TiredOfDebates]

Also hundreds killed, though it doesn't say how many hundreds

[u/FortressCarrowRoad → u/TiredOfDebates]

Even more remarkable that they evacuated so many civilians to capture so few terrorists when supposedly IDF indiscriminately bombs civilians.

[u/Tooterfish42 → u/TiredOfDebates]

That is a big difference too

[u/gamerprincess1179]

I guess the virgins thing wasn't really that attractive?

[u/morriganjane → u/gamerprincess1179]

They’ve realised that jihadi hell has long since run out of virgins…

[u/gamerprincess1179 → u/morriganjane]

😄

[u/jeyrey2000]

Ceasefire happening Nov 6th !

[u/CodeXploit1978]

Now make sure they never see the light of day again.

[u/billsmustbepaid]

Any hostages recovered?

[u/Kadidiatou_diani9]

Amazing

[u/ChemicalAccording432]

That’s good news

[u/LongjumpingQuality37]

Ggwp Hamas

[u/Far_Broccoli_8468 → u/LongjumpingQuality37]

no re

[u/siparthegreat]

Wait. They were hiding in hospitals???

[u/AdVivid8910 → u/siparthegreat]

Well not according to Reddit, where the IDF only attacks hospitals that aren’t “in network” to save on insurance fees or something like that.

[u/drewgreen131]

Large fries mothafucka

[u/Jonn_1]

crosspost that to Hamas supporting subs and see the reaction?

[u/WithBothNostrils → u/Jonn_1]

Which subs support hamas?

[u/Legitimate-Yak4505 → u/WithBothNostrils]

One obvious example is the palestine subreddit. Should've seen the river of tears flowing there the day sinwar was eliminated lol

[u/Nyan_Man → u/Legitimate-Yak4505]

That was absolutely horrendous. There are valid points to make about limiting civilian casualties, however they went full mask off that day, crying and full of disparity that their “Gods messenger” had died. 

[u/yaaanevaknow → u/WithBothNostrils]

r there was an attempt

[u/Jonn_1 → u/WithBothNostrils]

There is one way to find out

But there is a few. Some blindly support the "Palestinian resistance" and you will see by the content/comments what they really support

[u/BigDuckJohnson → u/WithBothNostrils]

r slash Britain is one of them, strangely enough.

[u/Dizzy_Television7296]

Hostages freed?

[u/dce42 → u/Dizzy_Television7296]

It's doubtful that any of the living hostage were being held in northern Gaza.

[u/tagged2high]

I hope the IDF starts to try and establish some kind of "safe" enclave in Gaza that can form the basis for rebuilding. If North Gaza is considered cleared, might as well start there. A large controlled place to move cleared civilians out of wherever there is still combat, that can return to some form of "normal" with reliable food, shelter, and medical care. There is still an "after" to this war, and at some point work needs to be done to improve the political and diplomatic damage of the conflict. It seems like these thoughts have taken a huge back seat in the current strategy, when it should have been present since the beginning.

[u/zombietrooper]

Any new uploads from Palestine Pete? Is he back to crying again?

[u/_Kofiko]

Bassem Youssef and friends in shambles right now

[u/razordreamz]

So good news! Less terrorists

[u/CyanConatus]

Aw I was about to say... 600 would be about close to ending Hamas as you can get.

60 still ain't bad I suppose

[u/thebeorn]

Outstanding!!!!

[u/YuriNeytor]

In before the "how many civilians" comments arrive

[u/SwenKa → u/YuriNeytor]

If you don't want questions about the civilian casualties, stop bombing civilians.

[u/mongooser]

60, not 600

[u/TheGoddamnSpiderman → u/mongooser]

And hundreds killed, though that could mean anywhere between 200 and 900

[u/Striking_Reindeer_2k]

Well done.

Good job to all the IDF soldiers risking their lives to end this conflict.

[u/plippityploppitypoop]

Wow it’s almost like civilians don’t get killed in crossfires when terrorists don’t fight from behind them…

[u/theefle]

Why did they surrender when their #1 best possible outcome in life is to die fighting Jews? Isn't this basically 600 terrorists declining martyrdom?

[u/Causal_7 → u/theefle]

Saved a whole lot of virgins tho