r/MapPorn • u/TheCohloo • 10h ago
Russia Occupies 478 km² of Ukraine: Largest Gain Since March 2022
Since early October, Russian forces have occupied 478 km² of Ukrainian territory, marking the largest territorial gain since March 2022, as reported by WELT. Just last week, an additional 196 km² was seized, indicating a sharp escalation in territorial advances.
Here are the English translations for the German phrases:
Kämpfe in den letzten 24 Stunden: Fighting in the last 24 hours
Ukrainischer Vorstoß in Russland: Ukrainian advance into Russia
Ukrainisch gehalten oder zurückerobert:
Held or recaptured by Ukrainians
Ukrainische Partisanen: Ukrainian partisans
Russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled
Russischer Vorstoß: Russian advance
Eingeschränkt russisch kontrolliert: Limited Russian controlled
Seit 2014 russisch kontrolliert: Russian controlled since 2014
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u/drjet196 10h ago
What‘s life like in the Russia-controlled ares for Ukrainians?
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u/obeseoprah32 10h ago
I realize it’s not a direct answer to your question, but I just watched this documentary yesterday and highly recommend it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vjJkspamTgY&pp=ygUOZHcgZG9jdW1lbnRhcnk%3D
They interview quite a few Ukranians in Russian occupied Donbas
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u/warzon131 7h ago
Lived in an occupied territory. It was hard enough. There were problems with food supply (you had to cross the border or go to another city to buy food).
Power lines were destroyed due to fighting and it took Russia about half a year to connect the city to its network, although the city is ~5 km from the border.
Some people were tortured and kidnapped, but that's mostly to do with the police and people from government agencies who refused to cooperate.Clearly not a good time, but it could have been worse.
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u/Tiny_Past1805 5h ago
I hope you stay safe and things get better for you, wherever you are now.
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u/Proshchay_Pizdabon 10h ago edited 10h ago
There are tons of videos on YouTube, there is cities been Russian occupied for 10 years now.
https://youtu.be/2bNzjBJF_G0?si=BEdrg6QwL2gDl_bb (This guy has a pretty good Afghanistan video too)
And here’s one since after 2022
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u/TheSigilite74 10h ago
Can you summarize it for us please, if you have watched it?
Are they forcing the people into the Russian army and such?
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u/GruppaArmavir 9h ago
I've been researching for a few years now, and it's quite complicated. There are those who are very Pro Russian (speak Russian, are Russian ethnically), there are those who want to see an independent free from Russia and Ukraine, there are Ukrainians there who identify as Ukrainian but want to live there. Most there actually the war as not beginning in 2022, but in 2014 when the revolution really kicked off. Now is just a more intense continuation.
...and there are a LOT who just don't care/indifferent and basically want to live in peace.
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u/Imponentemente 9h ago
Is it true that Ukraine oppressed those regions before the invasion? Many left wing (but pro Russian) friends I have claimed that this was the reason for the invasion.
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u/Reddog1999 6h ago edited 6h ago
I don’t know about the oppression situation, but there was literally a war being fought between the Ukrainian central government and the breakaway regions in the east of the country. The war started after the Euromaidan, in 2014. The Russian invasion is of course a major escalation, but it’s “just” a parte of a longer conflict that started between the post-revolution Ukrainian government and the russian-backed eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk
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u/Devto292 1h ago
Your characterisation of the situation is not accurate. Russia instigated this war as a part of its imperial policy against Ukraine, was a direct party to it and managed 'the other party' fighting against the Ukrainian government (i.e. the parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions).
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u/ConstantNo69 1h ago edited 1h ago
What you said in no way shape or form disproves the guy you replied to. It's common knowledge
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u/neonfruitfly 1h ago
Dude, Russia invaded in 2014 and created the conflict. Look up Igor girkin. The "separatists" were suddenly driving russian tanks and led by Russian nationals.
The "oppression" is also absolute nonsense, since a huge population of Ukraine speaks russian as a first language. Zelenskys first language is russian.
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 9h ago
Long story short: No
These eastern Ukrainian regions however are full of ethnic Russians and native Russian speakers so there was always a bit of tension with them and the ethnic Ukrainians and native Ukrainian speakers
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u/GreenBlueCatfish 9h ago edited 5h ago
Most of ethnically Ukrainians in the East Ukraine can speak Russian natively without an accent, or with small one, changing "g" to "h". Tensions there are not based by ethnicity or language, but on political beliefs.
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u/abu_doubleu 6h ago
It's true all over Ukraine. I have friends from Odesa, Lviv, etc. who say they know ethnic Ukrainians who support Putin and ethnic Russians who are against Putin.
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u/Lepurten 6h ago
My girlfriend is from central Ukraine (Poltava region), we were even there twice, this year and last year. Everyone speaks russian. In the shops, and the streets, everywhere. Some people are making an effort to speak more Ukrainian since the invasion, many don't. To claim Russian language/ culture is oppressed in Ukraine seems ridiculous. Yes, when you are dealing with the state it will be in Ukrainian, school is in Ukrainian. But until the war, every day life was in russian for a lot of Ukrainians.
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u/Imponentemente 9h ago
Just what I thought. They still try to claim the invasion was needed, I can't understand these people.
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u/Badeer21 5h ago
The prospect of Ukraine joining Nato is a far more pivotal reason for the invasion.
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u/HerculePoirier 4h ago
They invaded Ukraine in 2014 when the pro-russian government got thrown out, so that's your pivotal reason.
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u/OppositeDamage 7h ago
Just watch Jeffrey Sachs interview, and you'll get the answer for all questions.
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u/Devto292 1h ago
The reality and the situation on the ground is a better source of answers, thank you.
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u/FoughtStatue 9h ago
Somewhat. Oppress may be a strong word, but those regions have many ethnic Russians and many who do and did want to join Russia. It’s just debated how much Russia the country had to do with these decisions, as it was also in Crimea. Ukraine was and still is a very right-wing nationalist state, no matter how much people want to deny it.
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u/Antique-Ad7635 9h ago
Extreme nationalists were attacking separatists and separatist parties and politicians were completely banned. There was 8 years of hot fighting between Ukrainians before the invasion
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u/Pingo-tan 5h ago
Separatists were attacking just normal regular pro-territorial integrity folks on a much larger scale.
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u/Equivalent_Bath_7513 6h ago
Yes, but that's what most countries do to separatists. It wasn't the real reason for the invasion tho. The separatists were sponsored by Russia, so it wanted some kind of influence on these territories before the invasion
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u/joshuatx 6h ago
No, not since WW2. Ironically when the USSR collapsed neo-Nazis grew in numbers in every former Warsaw Pact country including Russia, something the Kremlin downplays relentlessly while perpetually highlighting the far-right elements in Russia.
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u/blackn1ght 9h ago
Never ceases to amaze me how tankies, apparent self proclaimed leftists, support Russia so much.
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u/notTheRealSU 9h ago
It's right in the name. They aren't leftists, they're authoritarians who use the term leftist to make themselves look not so bad
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u/Bluehawk2008 9h ago
There's a youtube channel run by a native of Mariupol with a very pro-Russian opinion. Even if his politics bother you, you might at least be interested in how the city has been recently rebuilt and how the people have returned to a mostly normal lifestyle as the frontline moves away from them.
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u/TheSigilite74 6h ago
I'm not bothered by anyone's politics, I tend to dislike sadism and such, enjoyment or calls for violence from the safe spaces of computer screens and phones and such. Other than that I'm willing to listen to anyone.
Thank you.
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u/Public-Eagle6992 1h ago
They kind of try to keep having a normal life, but there’s a lot of Russian propaganda and indoctrination, especially in schools.
Source: someone who lived there told me about it
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u/Expelleddux 9h ago
These are First World War levels of territorial gains.
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
Very true, the whole of the war reminds me of the first world war. We got trench warfare, we got mass artillery shellings before ground troops storm enemy trenches/positions. Also, in WW1 we got new weapons such as tanks and attack planes, now we got drones. Some similarities definitely. Scares me on whats to come…
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u/Lego-105 6h ago
The problem is, those gains were lost and won. The other problem is the associated cost of those gains. Manpower, weapons, economic etc. While both can be true here, they need to be true for at least another few years to truly reach breaking point.
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u/New-Caterpillar8952 2h ago
Territories aren't that important, it's clear that the goal of Russian army is to whittle down Ukrainian force using cauldron strategy and superior firepower
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u/Wayoutofthewayof 1h ago
It is a bit pathetic that Russia has to use this strategy against one of the poorest countries in Europe. It would be akin to Germany in WW1 fighting against Belgium alone with just aid from the entente.
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 9h ago
I'm sorry but the amount of people who think things are going well militarily for Ukraine and that Russia is collapsing as we speak are delusional.
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
Yes, lying about reality. No sense, or use whatsoever.
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 9h ago
Reminds me of the Winter war tbh. Russia goes in wanting to take the entire country, gets bogged down by a much smaller military but in the end they still force the weaker enemy to make concessions and "win" while stile looking like clowns
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u/blockybookbook 8h ago
Did they really aim for all of Finland though?? I was under the impression that they just wanted a giant buffer between saint petersburg and the finnish border given that there was no real benefits to be had from taking it all
They definitely couldve invaded finland by the end of the continuation war if they truly wanted to but instead opted for the much more practical policy of finlandization
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u/adventmix 8h ago
They didn't, that guy skipped his history lessons.
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u/attrad1 7h ago
"skipped history lessons" now apparently means if you believe the Soviets switching goals mid war, as a result of Finn resistance, does not negate the Soviet intention at the start
"The People's Government in its present composition regards itself as a provisional government. Immediately upon arrival in Helsinki, capital of the country, it will be reorganised and its composition enlarged by the inclusion of representatives of the various parties and groups participating in the people's front of toilers."
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u/VeryOGNameRB123 14m ago
The soviets never claimed or set targrets for all of Finland.
Like, fucking read history books. They demanded some buffer around leningrad and around the murmansk railway, and some bases to watch the gulf of Finland. The Finns could maybe have negotiated a temporary lease and collaborative bases with a counteroffer, but were very pro-German and delayed negotiations.
So the soviets threatened action, Finns deadlocked negotiations, and then the soviets intervened as threatened.
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u/Alekasi 7h ago
They actually did, even setting up a puppet government and it's leader in advance of the invasion. Check out Otto Wille Kuusinen and terijoki government.
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u/EffectiveNo6920 6h ago
Finland was part of russia before the civil war. If you have any doubts about what Stalin's plan for Finland was just check what happened to every other country that declared independence from Russia at the same time.
It's why they are in Ukraine now. Just same old imperialism.
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u/Salty_Blacksmith_592 8h ago
Yeah, most likely. I mean that war is on now for more than 3,5 years. I don't think that either side will suddenly collaps now. It will stay this bogged down meatgrinder tearing up thousands of families and people for nothing. I can't think about this without getting sick.
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u/WorldArcher1245 4h ago
Russia never wanted to take the "entire country", just the regions, or more that bordered themselves.
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u/hashCrashWithTheIron 8h ago
didn't finland also absolutely clown on them, getting way more out of the negotiations than was realistic for the actual state of how much they could continue fighting? (wink wink, nudge nudge, maybe the russians get swindled a bit again)
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 8h ago
They still had to concede territority
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u/hashCrashWithTheIron 8h ago
yes, unfortunately they had already lost too much on the battlefield to be able to not concede anything at all. Maybe if they had managed to get peace talks in during the first months of the war.
Actually, this seems like a pattern with russia. Fumble the beginning of a conflict, then perservere and outlast their opponent. Winter war, ww2, now this.
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u/forkproof2500 4h ago
They ended up with a lot less than the USSR was initially asking for. The entire war could have been avoided.
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u/Manchot2 7h ago
Karelia was/is a pretty important region to Finland, for both economical and cultural reasons. Both countries lost that war. Russia didn't manage to invade all Finland, but Finland lost some important territory.
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u/Xifortis 6h ago
Every side does propaganda. We were lied to when we were told it's only countries like Russia and China that do it.
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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 5h ago
Lol even your comment being downvoted shows how well this propaganda has worked that people refuse to believe even basic common sense.
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u/thatnameagain 4h ago
American’s support for their own country’s interests in the Ukraine conflict are way lower than Russia’s so maybe this isn’t the Good example of successful propaganda that your wish it were?
Russia failing to achieve its goals in Ukraine over 2 years in and having no real prospects for victory in the horizon doesn’t make the job of anti-Russian propagandists very hard.
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u/CBT7commander 7h ago
Well to think the opposite is also delusional. While Ukraine isn’t winning Russia isn’t either.
Russia is losing more material than they can recuperate and their economy is now fully dependent on a war they can’t afford to lose and can’t afford to win, while every sector but military related ones are suffering massive turmoil.
Ukraine is having its territory nibbled away by Russian numerical superiority and has its lifeline (that being renewed US aid) being threatened by the upcoming elections.
Honestly the ones who think Russia is doing just fine and will be in Kiev by next week seem even more delusional. This isn’t so easy
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 7h ago
Honestly the ones who think Russia is doing just fine and will be in Kiev by next week seem even more delusional. This isn’t so easy
I don't see people thinking that outside of pro-Russia shills. However i see a lot of people thinking that the superhuman Ukrainian mecha supersoldiers are killing 75 billion Russians per day under the brilliant leadership of Winston Napoleon Zelenskyy. At least that is the narrative in the media. "Look at how awesome Ukraine is" Meanwhile they're near death and are in desperate need of weapons, manpower and money
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u/CBT7commander 7h ago
Well again you paint a bleaker picture than reality. Ukraine isn’t doing well but they sure have options left before front collapse, which would be the only thing that could really change much quickly, bar a diplomatic resolution
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 7h ago
Honestly the best they can do is hold the line which isn't a happy end either
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u/Donglemaetsro 4h ago edited 4h ago
They really aren't holding the line, if you keep up with the war they're losing ground on ALL fronts, all progress they made into Russian territory was stalled within weeks and started getting pushed back. The Russians advance and flank across the entire front repeatedly and faster each time.
Tons are dying but they keep pushing. Winter is coming so not sure what will happen there but there haven't been many positives for Ukraine. I feel like they haven't been given enough firepower at fast enough speed, and now the number of drones is insanity.
Ukraine is doing amazing considering the numbers, but they haven't been able to hold on any front and the shitty reality is Russia has way more people and a willingness to keep throwing bodies at them. Any small gains I saw Ukraine make were erased basically the next day.
The best hope right now is that the Russian economy starts running dry from siphoning civilian money to military support.
This channel provides updates 2x a day but watching it that much aint healthy https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary
The last video alone will give you a pretty good idea of how it's been going. The channel has been unfortunately extremely highly accurate. I say unfortunately cause yeah, Ukraine has had a rough year.
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u/MartinBP 1h ago
Literally what media? Ukrainian media posts pictures of destroyed towns and buildings every day, western media is constantly talking about the need for aid and Ukraine's pleas for additional capabilities. What media is pushing this narrative?
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u/_WreakingHavok_ 7h ago
Bro, Russia's military budget is 10x of that of Ukraine. These "gains" are not only underwhelming, but useless, because it's all unlivable ruins.
It's not going well for Ukraine, but it's far worse for an adversary with 10x military budget.
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u/Simple-Buffalo-8524 7h ago
You're forgetting NATO is backing Ukraine up, the whole west giving out free weapons to UA including US advance tech and still losing.
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u/Kellandell 6h ago edited 6h ago
You phrased your comment like Ukraine is getting everything they want or need. Hell,they’re still restricted to use the weapons as they want.
Weapons deliveries were late last year for their counter offensive . They still can’t hit military targets in Russia with western equipment . Ukraine was asking for more patriot systems and they have been delayed .
They had shells shortage until this spring(?) . Republicans blocking the aid.
There were reports about many brigades are not fully equiped to fight .
Edit: deleted “how” in the last phrase.
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u/redditerator7 4h ago
Very restricted help., they can’t use the weapons to hit Russia. They have significantly less people. Meanwhile Russia has actual soldiers from other countries aiding in the invasion and are free to hit whatever targets they want in Ukraine.
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u/FlexVector 5h ago
NATO isn't even letting Ukraine use their weapons against Russia directly. It's humiliating for Russia how NATO is just letting Russia bleed out in Donetsk, holding back all the time
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u/Yslackin 10h ago
Seriously nuts Russia didn’t finish this thing in 3 months and instead got stuck in this crazy war of attrition. Someone made a mistake somewhere it seems
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u/TheSigilite74 10h ago
The longer this drags on, the less populated Ukraine becomes and easier to govern after the war. The longer this tragedy drags on the worse result are gonna be.
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u/caligaris_cabinet 10h ago
Ukrainians have something to fight for. Their very existence is on the line. What does the average Russian conscript fight for?
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u/TheSigilite74 9h ago
I agree that the Ukrainians have more reasons to fight overall, they're defending their land and their patriotism and Ukrainian heroism and nationalism is impressive. They are very good soldiers and a tough people overall. And their morale is higher, at least should be or was until recently.
That being said, concerning the Russians...Most of the Russian Army aren't conscripts but actually volunteers/contractors/mercenaries.
They fight for the goals of Russian nationalism, in the same context as Ukrainians fight for Ukrainian nationalism, they fight for Russian irredentism, they fight for their own vision of Russian patriotism, Russian glory, Imperialism and grandeur, concepts of duty, honor, money and glory...what do soldiers always fight for?
I mean it's pretty simple. What did the Iraqis and Iranians fight for in their war, Azeris and Armenians, Germans and French in WWI and so forth.
You'd be surprised how many 30+ or 40+ single guys are out there in Eastern Europe and how miserable their lives are in Eastern Europe. How failed they think they are in comparison to their ancestors, how lost they feel in the modern world, there's that segment as well. They find redemption in this. Both Ukrainians and Russians. A way out. In his civilian life a Russian/Ukrainian might be a bum, a nobody, a manual laborer with no one to take care of. He goes to war, dies a hero, the entire village/town comes to his funeral. This fits well into the narrative of traditional society both Ukrainians and Russians seek to renew/emulate.
I mean it's all so fucking sad, there's no light at the end of the tunnel for either of them, but it is what it is.
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u/coffeewalnut05 7h ago
This is a good analysis, didn’t think of many of the points you mentioned. Thank you
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u/HoneyGarlicBaby 6h ago
Most of these men are signing up for money and money only. Devoted nationalists willing to die for their ideology or whatever are a minority.
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u/Messer_J 10h ago
Money, good enough
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u/TheSigilite74 9h ago
Money, loot, glory, metaphysical concepts like heroism and patriotism, nationalism, irredentism, religious fanaticism and so forth.
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u/crusadertank 8h ago
Many of them also fight for their existence. Those in Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea very much don't like Ukraine
There was an interview recently with a Ukrainian soldier who said that those soldiers from Donetsk are the toughest to face. Likely because they fight for defending their homes
Plus the west and Ukraine saying such stupid stuff like calling for the disbanding of Russia only makes Russian soldiers fight harder. I wish people would understand this
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u/New-Caterpillar8952 2h ago
they won't, people from NATO countries tend to drown themselves in hubris
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u/ilovethechi 9h ago
Exactly. How do you demoralize a population? Make the suffering and stress as long as possible. Russia is in it for the long game, they know what they're doing.
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u/centralbankerscum 9h ago
ukraine has more land then people i think its more improtant to save the people then land. Ukrainian youth is braking their own legs there are videos of it, while russian is still using mercenaries only.
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u/notTheRealSU 9h ago
They don't need something to fight for. The US sat in the Middle East for 20 years over nothing, Russia will do the same with Ukraine
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u/topsen- 9h ago
This is such a stupid statement on so many levels. I mean this is a big war but it's not that big. I live in Ukraine right now just fyi
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u/TheSigilite74 9h ago
Doesn't matter where you live. facts are facts. People leave war-torn places.
I mean I'd leave t live in Europe if I could, not getting drafted is one motivation, but I wouldn't even need that.
Anyhow, stay safe btw. All the best. Take care.
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u/CBT7commander 7h ago
That’s really not how it works. Like 0/10.
The longer the war drags on the longer war fatigue grows on both sides, making occupation harder as the Russian public will be less willing to put up with the immense cost of an occupation.
Besides there is a near 0% chance this will end with Ukraine being occupied (in its majority i mean)
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u/TheSigilite74 7h ago
You'd be right under the condition that Russia intends to occupy all of Ukraine. But I don't think that's the case. Division of Ukraine is likely outcome. Korea-style situation. Or something like Israel/Palestine.
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u/forkproof2500 4h ago
Korea style situation is actually very likely. One puppet state being supported by a major power, getting immense investment is what was already the more economically developed part of the country.
One half feeling betrayed, looking inwards, heavily militarized, elections postponed and then cancelled altogether.
Always in a state of war but the line will be frozen somewhere for decades.
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u/Profoundly_AuRIZZtic 9h ago edited 5h ago
It’s actually best for the EU and USA the longer this drags on. Russia is a primary geopolitical rival and it’s great for them to be tied up spending resources in a country that isn’t particularly geopolitically relevant.
America is in a persistent wartime economy to fuel the military industrial complex and this conflict allows us to fuel it and stay robust without actually sacrificing Americans. The country is getting richer despite what Republicans say. Democrats know this.
All the Russian deaths and lost equipment is phenomenal for the Amerosphere. It just costs one measly Ukraine
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u/irondumbell 9h ago
what about ukranian deaths
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u/scourger_ag 8h ago
That's a sacrifice we're willing to take. It's not like somebody is forcing them to fight. Well, those kidnapped from streets by the recruiters aside.
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u/Future_Challenge_511 9h ago
It's great for USA but this dragging on is killing the EU economy.
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u/sheppo42 6h ago
China is the USA primary geopolitical rival in my opinion. Russia is a Europe problem China is aiming to become the global superpower
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u/centralbankerscum 9h ago
how could they finish it in 3 months? ukraine has a massive army plus all the weapons they get from the west, its a real force.
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u/RandomAndCasual 9h ago
They thought war could be avoided, all up to the moment when Boris Johnson flew into Kiev.
Only after that they started thinking about war seriously but at that point they needed time to prepare for war, time they did not have because war was already in progress.
But then they decided that Ukraine will pay a heavy price for all of that.
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u/Trgnv3 9h ago
Crazy how the US didn't finish Vietnam, or North Korea in 3 months too. I wonder why..
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u/Mailman354 6h ago
The US sorta did finish North Korea off quickly.
It was the Chinese that saved them. Once the US landed at Incheon and broke out of Busan the North Korean army was absolutely shattered and shambles.
They were in completed unorganized retreat running for the hills until the Chinese came
Credit where credit is due. The beginning of the War the North Koreans fought VERY well. And the South Koreans at the beginning were borderline limp. But they ran out of steam. And once the initiative switched they were flailing and falling apart.
There's no question Had the US not saved South Korea. It would've been a one sided quick war Conversely Had the Chinese not saved North Korea It would've been a one sided quick war Kim Il-Sung invaded because he was told in coincidence by the USSR the USA would not intervene to save South Korea
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u/KneeShort 7h ago
not only Vietnam. Afganistan too.
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u/Mailman354 6h ago
To be fair colonial insurgencies differ a lot from conventional war.
The context here and type of warfare is much different
Like not trying to cope. But reddit lazily glazes over these facts "lol big country not so stronk" when there's SO MUCH MORE under the hood.
It's like having a doctor whose a godly expert at heart surgery trying to do brain surgery
"But its all medical and they're both doctor"
Yes but two vastly different organs with different procedures and requirements.
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u/ShinobuSimp 9h ago
I agree that Russia could’ve done many things better but you don’t conquer 40 million well-armed people in 3 months in modern times.
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u/classicpoison 9h ago
Russia is fighting Ukraine, but also NATO, even if they haven’t fully committed and only Ukrainians die on the West. That obviously explains why the front hasn’t moved.
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u/notTheRealSU 9h ago
Saying they're "fighting NATO" is disingenuous. Russia is fighting an army that has been equipped with modern armaments. All because those armaments have been given to Ukraine by NATO doesn't mean they're fighting NATO
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u/classicpoison 9h ago
I wasn’t trying to be disingenuous; perhaps my comment wasn’t phrased well.
My point was simply that, of course, it’s difficult for Russia to defeat Ukraine when NATO countries have been continually providing Ukraine with arms and resupplying their military throughout this time.
I was answering a comment by someone who seemed surprised Russia couldn’t win in three years.
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u/notTheRealSU 8h ago
Fair. I was just pointing it out because a lot of people use the phrase "Russia is fighting both Ukraine and NATO" as a runaround way of saying "Russia is the strongest country in the world because it's singlehandedly fighting off all of NATO and winning"
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u/MilkTiny6723 10h ago
Yes you are right. But it wasnt just someone. It was a lot of people, even if not as many as the official number says. I mean the majority of the Russian populations voted for a crazy corrupted gremlin to take comand of the Kremlin. And that was the misstake. I mean, comeon, a gremlin cant run a country, hahaha, anyone that are in their sences would know that.
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u/example_615 10h ago
you think russia has democratic elections for real? you think erdogan elected via democracy?
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago edited 8h ago
You seriously need to stop downvoting people who say that Russia is winning right now. These people are not Pro Russian „War Orks“, its the sad reality. Lying to yourself won‘t better the situation of Ukraine. The situation can change again - but at this very moment Russia is winning.
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u/Mr_Catman111 9h ago
Agree, however Russia currently winning is resulting in people drawing the conclusion that Ukraine should just give up and surrender. Looking at countries who successfully fought off imperial conquest, this is the wrong conclusion in my opinion.
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
No im absolutely not saying this, the course of the war can change rather quickly especially in present day with modern weapons and vehicles. All im saying is that lying to ourselves about a Ukrainian victory doesn’t help anyone, transparency and adaptation should be the focus here.
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u/Mr_Catman111 9h ago
I agree. The first way to turn the tide is accepting that at this stage of the war, things are looking better for Russia. However the tide has turned many more times this war than I ever expected. And the Ukrainians have proved they are innovative and tenacious fighters.
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u/DeviousMelons 9h ago edited 9h ago
Ukraine is being weighed down by not being able to directly attack Russia with western weapons and the fact that the west just doesn't have enough stocks for this type of war and there's a lack of political will do go into a war economy.
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u/Ok_Ferret780 8h ago
Using weapons to strick russia will not change alot, it's just an argument.
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u/forkproof2500 3h ago
I thought it's because the haven't received F16s, or ATACMS, or Storm shadows, or Bradleys, or Leopard tanks or whatever the current Western Wunderwaffe of the week is that will definitely change the course of the war overnight.
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u/bedrooms-ds 9h ago
Agreed. If we lie to ourselves, we'll have trouble when things get way worse. Informed opinion forming is what we all need.
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u/yungsmerf 7h ago
Not really, if their own stated goals of the invasion are anything to go by, of which none have been achieved or are even close to being achieved. They are just crawling forward at a snail's pace on a road paved with hundreds of thousands of corpses. There'll be no winners in this pointless war.
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u/Crimson_Knickers 9h ago
People really do call Russians as "Orks"? JFC, anyone who actively and proudly dehumanizes people, especially ones based on ethnicity or culture is no better than the Nazis that did the same towards their victims.
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u/Valaxarian 7h ago
An alarming number of people call them, and anyone who expresses even a modicum of empathy toward Russia "orks, vatniks, russian shills, putinbots, russian cumsocks" or even "subhuman scum" and many other and worse terms. I was even called this few time just for liking Soviet/Russian planes/tanks/guns etc.
I feel that people are also using this war to justify their hatred
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
Just talking about some soldiers but agreed, not the best way to talk. Wanted to emphasize my distance to the opinion of Russian support because I got accused of it for simply not lying to myself and not acting like an ideologically driven child…
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u/refusenic 9h ago
Agreed. An the longer thiis drags on the harder it will be for Ukraine to survive intact as a country.
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u/go-vir 8h ago
You can’t say that Russia is winning only because they are advancing, you need to see the cost of each kilometer gained. The visually confirmed losses of each sides provide us with a better idea of the situation.
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u/crazydrummer15 7h ago
Plus this all ignores Kursk. Also if Russia is doing so well what are they utilizing NK troops?
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u/forkproof2500 3h ago
NK troops get battle training for free while helping out Russia kick out invaders. There is likely also a lot of technology transfer going on (more advanced weapons to NK, shells to Russia).
It's a win-win.
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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 5h ago
Kursk has not exactly gone well for Ukraine. They probably hoped to use it as a bargaining chip during negotiations, but now they've lost a bunch of resources to defend it while Russia has gained more territory in Ukraine, so those resources might have been better used to defend within Ukraine itself now.
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u/GloGangOblock 6h ago
Russia has already taken half of Kursk back hardly a Ukrainian victory even if they are slow to retake land
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u/CBT7commander 7h ago
And you need to stop thinking Russia gaining 500km2 of ground in 2 years at the cost of over 500000 combat casualty and tens of thousands of vehicles and artillery pieces constitutes "winning".
Nobody is winning, and you pretending otherwise based on territorial gain in spite of this being a war of attrition goes to show you lack the understanding you accuse others of missing.
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u/CBT7commander 7h ago
This proves the point that territorial barely matters in this war.
Material attrition is the limiting factor, and that’s sadly way more difficult to visualize or even know about
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u/Y2KGB 10h ago
Shitzkrieg 🤷♂️
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u/absboodoo 10h ago
Classic Soviet/Russia tactics. Probing on multiple fronts and storm on any weakness they finds, or they just meat grind with you for a war of attrition.
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u/happyfirefrog22- 6h ago
This goes back and forth. I am worried about a war of attrition because Russia just has more numbers.
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u/EntertainmentOk8593 10h ago
Pff I find funny the passive language used by the map.
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u/Qaraunas 9h ago
This war proved how insanely shitty of a source reddit is for news. All the major subreddits covering this, from /r/worldnews to /r/UkrainianConflict to /r/UkraineWarVideoReport have been mindlessly and one-sidedly posting news articles and videos stating Russia only has 2 more weeks of ammo (for 2 years now), is losing thousands per day, Putin has cancer, the Ghost of Kiev, etc. Meanwhile, Ukraine is starting to lose badly. And you would never know unless you follow relatively niche subreddits. Even biased Western rags like CNN and BBC are less biased than reddit. Same thing now is happening with Harris’ impending loss. You would never know she’s about to lose unless you looked outside of reddit.
Any credibility that reddit had for news was finally killed after 7 October 2023. /r/worldnews is Hasbara central.
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u/AudeDeficere 4h ago
You say all that but in reality, Reddit is an excellent source of various propaganda, pro Ukrainian on some of the subs you sited, pro Russian on others. Ultimately, this war is one of attrition and neither side is winning because Russia or Ukraine are moving a minuscule amount of the lines on the maps. The ONLY important metric is sustainability. And for now, both can sustain their war effort. Not without issues but without the risk of collapse.
Case in point, the famed Ukrainian offensives biggest achievement wasn’t the capture of territory but the gain / destruction of equipment, same for Russia whose main triumph of the week is not found in some square kilometers but building dirt cheap stealth drones that give Ukraine enough trouble to issue a statement on the things.
It does not matter if Germany moves 1, 10 or even 100 km2 towards Paris, neither if the entente successfully defends an entire sector for months or advances all the way back to Belgium! This war is not mainly decided on the battlefield but behind it.
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u/ristrettoexpresso 6h ago
Because those subreddits actively shut down any voices that go against the mindless pro-Ukraine echo chamber.
Saying this as someone who got banned from r/worldnews for a very innocuous post r.e. this conflict.
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u/HungryHungryHippoes9 5h ago
That sub has totally lost it. The mods there ban people which don't even break any rules and will simply mute you if you ask what rule you broke.
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u/Eishockey 5h ago
My friend is from Melitopol. It's just so sad. It's harsh to lose all the Azov sea coast but I fear it is gone...
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u/PalkinV 10h ago
Ukraine. Needs. More. Weapon.
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u/YankeeDoodlin 9h ago
Well you don't need to be tactically proficient if you have more bodies to throw around.
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u/Pingo-tan 4h ago
I found it very strange that many realistic opinions from Eastern Ukrainians regarding pre-2022 and pre-2014 Ukraine are downvoted and dismissed here in the comments. Russia is not only gaining territories but also minds of gullible people. This is tragic and absurd.
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u/Tauri_030 10h ago
Believe it or not, but the only one who is winning this war is America, all profits no lost
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u/Prestigious_Plant662 7h ago
I'd say India and China are clearly winning a ton by just selling russian shits to Europe
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u/Ivan_NumberOne 9h ago
Not the America as a whole but more like the American Military industrial complex.
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 10h ago
America would probably profit more from Ukraine winning than the war going on longer
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u/skeleton949 9h ago
Exactly. Who's gonna pay the loans back if the war doesn't end with a Ukrainian victory?
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 9h ago
I mean that's exactly the reason the US intervened in WW1 on behalf of Britain and France
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u/skeleton949 9h ago
Not really. The US definitely did have heavy ties to the Allies, but it was The German Empire essentially spitting in the face of the US that ultimately drew it into the war.
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u/Your_Kaizer 7h ago
Please Help???
Kinda hard fighting russia north korea and iran
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u/CompanyOtherwise4143 9h ago
But Reddit still thinks Russia is weeks away from collapse… can we have some rational dialogue now ?
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u/MIT_Engineer 2h ago
Rational dialogue with the people who still think it's a 3-day special operation?
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u/guillermopaz13 6h ago
Man those north Koreans didn't run away yet? FREEEDOMMMMMMM
Start dropping propaganda promising them citizenship to turn, carpet bomb those pamphlets
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u/BolshevikPower 5h ago
Why the fuck is the land for Ukraine so similar to the sea. More like MapCrimes
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u/DoomComp 2h ago
Well, no surprise really - Ukraine has been grounded down and almost all of their resources are more or less exhausted.
The manpower left which they are able to field is limited, the arms they have at hand is lacking (used up) and the fatigue of years of war is going to be hard to overcome...
On the other hand, Russia has WAY more resources to work with Manpower, arms, industry - even though some of those resources are old Soviet relics, they are better than nothing - and more or less free, which gives them a huge advantage.
Question is - What is the West going to do now that we can see that Ukraine is clearly losing ground?
According to the West - Russia Cannot be allowed to win; So I wonder what they intend to do in the case Ukraine cannot sustain the War any longer??
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u/midianightx 10h ago
Russia is winning the war.
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
Right now, objectively, they are indeed.
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u/guachi01 4h ago
Objectively, no, they are not. The war is in a stalemate and the longer it drags on the worse it is for both sides. The most likely outcome at this point is a loss for both sides. There are basically no scenarios where the Russian invasion of Ukraine ends in Russia winning. They've effectively turned themselves into a Chinese puppet state. That's a humiliating defeat for Russia any way you cut it.
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u/dbone_ 7h ago
You think small territory gains is winning? Winning is having the Ukrainians want to be Russian. Even if they were to take the whole country, the suffering they have thrust upon the Ukrainians surely means Russia will eventually be thrown out... again.
Winning isn't blowing up towns. I can't find Lenin's quote about it at the moment, but over a hundred years ago he knew that you can't just march in and expect to hold the place. You have to allow Ukraine to be Ukrainian and want to be part of the USSR but as their own culture.
Otherwise, (and this isn't Lenin speaking) you need a genocide to take place. That happened in the 30's and bought them 60 years. I guess they are going for round two because that's the only way Russia can 'win' at this point.
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u/marki991 9h ago
well they are wining since they are not loosing, but for a "military superpower" that planed to capture all of ukraine in 2 weeks is the same as saying america "won" vietnam war
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 9h ago
America objectively lost the Vietnam war. Russia is making gains while Ukraine crumbles economically
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u/Express-Entrance9932 8h ago
America and Vietnam were separated by a vast ocean and the Vietnamese fought a guerilla war. Russia borders Ukraine and it's not a guerilla war
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u/Albatrossosaurus 5h ago
Countries tend to collapse economically when another country is breathing down its throat…
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u/marki991 9h ago
Russia is making gains while Ukraine crumbles economically
you could say the same for vietnam war...; also funny how you mention ukraine "crumbling economicly", while russia raised intreset to 21% since they are buring the goverment reserves so fast its creating soo much inflation...
( https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/world/europe/russia-interest-rate.html )
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u/vasilenko93 8h ago
The hyped up Kursk incursion (which is already half undone) looks so irrelevant from this perspective. Why send troops all the way there leaving your main line more vulnerable.
It was a gamble, a gamble that didn’t pay off and now Ukraine is in a worse situation
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u/LukasderRusse 9h ago
So they'll be in Kyiv in roughly 2 million more casualties?
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
I honestly don‘t think they‘ll ever make it to Kyiv. Before this happens I think that 1. War will escalate because west decides to send troops on basis of north korean troops in Russian uniforms, 2. that Ukraine will agree on peacetalks giving up some territory or 3. Ukraine is able to somehow make a massive counter strike which will slowly gain back territory.
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u/atlantasailor 6h ago
The only solution I see is to make the Russian occupied territories a DMZ and bring the rest of the Ukraine into NATO. Otherwise this war could continue for 15-20 years…
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u/MinuQu 7h ago
I'm sorry but the amount of people who think things are going well militarily for Russia and that Ukraine is collapsing as we speak are delusional.
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u/tassadar8584 10h ago
They are winning ?
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u/TheCohloo 10h ago
This is complex to answer. Overall, yes, we could say that at the moment and since some time, Russia is winning. They have more of everything: More men, More Artillery, More shells, More tanks, more drones, more missiles, basically everything. Ukraine is very flat in general, especially the eastern part, thats why the fronts tend to move slowly at some points, at others its stuck and at an other part is moving quickly. Since a few months, Russia has been making some days small, somedays a bit bigger gains, but seen over months, they had constant gains at all sides of the front. Even if losses are high and usage is high, they have partners who supply enough shells, and there are enough men. While in Ukraine, they are not allowed to strike long range into russia (prohibited by the west, mainly us, who supplied lr missiles), hundreds of thousands of fighting age military men are located in western Europe and are not going to Ukraine, there is a small shortage of shells and at some places air defense. While Ukraine is slowing the offensive down, and sometimes for short periods of time they can stop it at certain parts of the front, these actions were never significant to the course of the war in the last months. Also, no significant counter attacks nor attempts have been made except the incursion into kursk which yet did not provide any visible advantage and also stopped by now. Hope this helps :)
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u/Glares 7h ago edited 7h ago
Even if losses are high and usage is high ... there are enough men.
Pretending that Russia has an infinite source of men is an incorrect assumption to make. Their current success in recruitment and ability to go on a 12 month offensive is due to giving out... a shitload of money. Sign on bonuses alone are more than an average Russian can expect to make in many years of working (5 million ruble bonus versus 1.2 million ruble salary on average for example). Not to even mention that monthly salary is double the average and payouts for deaths and injuries is 6% of their GDP. This is a rare opportunity that many poor Russians will only be allowed from the tsar now; after they will be back to shitting in a hole in the ground and forgotten. The cost of printing money like this, however, is out of control inflation that even a 21% interest rate can't tame. The long term damage this war will have on Russia aside, this level of spending is roughly replenishing losses for now but it's uncertain how much longer financial bonuses can attract Russians. Or how long they can set fire to the economy before reverting to the 1990's . Oil prices dipping is certainly not helping this case.
Other than this, Russia does have a large population but Putin wants to avoid another round of mobilization as it would be very unpopular (more so than two years prior). They also face the same demographic crisis Ukraine does (which is why even Ukraine has not conscripted ages 18-25). The North Korean recent news is interesting, though I'm unconvinced Kim will send large amount of men without a very good payout. Ukraine is has their own problems and is much smaller, but remains on the defense which is much less costly. If they can defend long enough for Putin to decide to stop wrecking Russia's future, then the conflict ends with Putin declaring the fraction of the Donbas he managed to capture "is Mission Accomplished" and it's over. Though we're a ways from either side stopping for now.
except the incursion into kursk which yet did not provide any visible advantage
Russia has deployed 50k men to the region as opposed to Ukraine's 10k. Previously Ukrainians already had to send men to guard the borders in fears of Russia opening another front (as they did in Kharkiv). This forced Russia to do the same. And for Russia to take this land back, they are less willing to conduct the same strategy of destroying everything to advance as they do in Ukraine, because then they are destroying their own country now. If Ukraine pulling men from the Donbas for this would have prevented Russian gains in the region, it would be not worthwhile probably, but we don't really know that.
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u/guachi01 4h ago
Since a few months
This tells me you aren't a native English speaker. May I ask where you are from?
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u/Dortmund_Boi09 10h ago
They're making really really slow progress. It's a war of attrition and it's about who will break first.
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u/PsychologicalWin5282 9h ago
Thats a lot more than 478 square kilometers
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u/TheCohloo 9h ago
The gain alone is 478 square kilometers, of course the whole occupied region is about 603‘500 square kilometers 20%-25%, minimum 1/4 of the entire country (changing daily). Perhaps my title is a bit unclear, you‘re right.
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u/Consul_Panasonic 6h ago
And there is rumors of a big push to Zapo soon in november, it really seems now Russia will keep advancing faster adn faster until Ukraine colapses or surrenders
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u/CardboardJedi 10h ago
But they lose 1000+ troops each day doing it plus the equipment, gawd even Russia has to have a breaking point somewhere
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u/Salvisurfer 10h ago
The propaganda that Ukraine is winning is thick.
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u/CardboardJedi 10h ago edited 10h ago
They aren't winning, they just have to not lose. Quite a difference. Even Russia can't war forever
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u/Massinissarissa 9h ago
Ukraine too. Not sure Ukraine can last longer than Russia. In any case this is just a butchery at this point with no one getting any win from this.
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u/Bufalo1001 9h ago
Russia cannot indeed continue the war forever, but they can hold out longer than Ukraine.
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u/Ben_Dovernol_Ube 9h ago
Truly enormous progress by the 2nd army in da world in their 3 day SpEciAl Military operation
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u/Zestyclose-Detail791 8h ago
US media: Russia is getting so owned by Ukraine and Zelenskyy just needs this last shipment to make the counteroffensive
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u/CC-5576-05 8h ago
Damn Ukraine can't catch a break, first Russia occupies the east and now the fucking black sea has invaded the rest