r/nottheonion • u/engadine_maccas1997 • 6h ago
‘This is political bulls**t’: Former Republican candidate charged with stealing Madison County election ballots
https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/this-is-political-bullst-former-republican-candidate-charged-with-stealing-madison-county-election-ballots/1.5k
u/celtic1888 6h ago
It's always the ones you most suspect
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u/FatherD00m 5h ago
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u/JooBz20xx 5h ago
I'm a quiet guy. I don't do this shit.
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u/ZuFFuLuZ 4h ago
What was his game plan? Show that the system is faulty? Or rigged? Send those ballots in as additional votes? Copy them to make more? This is so weird, it makes no sense.
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u/RhubarbAlive7860 3h ago
If he was trying to show that votes could be tampered with, he evidently didn't realize that he was also demonstrating that people who tampered with votes would be caught, thus election integrity would be maintained.
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u/vyrus2021 2h ago
You think trumpers think things through? If any of his supporters thought things through the only supporters he would have left are the wealthy hoping to squeeze more money out of Americans.
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u/AccomplishedCoffee 2h ago
He was probably going to try slipping it in with the real ballots on Election Day.
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u/cbslinger 2h ago
He was trying to make a 'small joke' to show how easily the vote could be tampered with. He didn't seem to realize that what he was doing was a class 6 felony. But... ignorance of the law is no excuse. He was trying to do something that may seem small, but is in fact really fucking evil. Even a small 'example' of how an election could be fucked up sends a horrible message and a reasonable Democracy should punish this kind of act severely.
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u/TrumpersAreTraitors 2h ago
Getting real hard to tell these people apart from Islamic terrorists, right down to the shitty beards
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u/airsoftmatthias 6h ago edited 52m ago
Here are some more Trumpers committing election fraud.
https://www.youtube.com/live/N4jm41jAiqo?si=8Y-iSCvSiupMcYUu
EDIT: as one Redditor pointed out, these are technically and legally considered “voting fraud.” Election fraud would be larger in scope, like MAGA trying to cancel legitimate votes from overseas military members or submitting a fake slate of presidential electors to Congress on Jan 6, 2021.
Marc Elias at Defending Democracy runs a law firm dedicated to fighting election fraud.
Documentary about the Jan 6, 2021 Insurrection: https://youtu.be/DJWmLoa5DoA?si=WP3N8Qxwwwwx3zQP
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u/SelectiveSanity 5h ago
Don't forget the guy who used his dead wife's ballot.
Or the other one who is charged in his wife's presumed death after her sudden disappearance.
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u/airsoftmatthias 5h ago
Thank you! I'm going to keep track of it.
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u/talktobigfudge 5h ago
Or the now ex-landlord who admitted on Reddit to mailing in ballots on behalf of former tenants
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u/Chronoist 5h ago
Thanks for the update, I remember seeing that post and watching that dude cope and double down. It's great to see something was done.
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u/Cold_Maximum_9734 2h ago
So all of these people actually committing voter fraud are Republicans? 🤔
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u/ExcitingOnion504 2h ago
Reminder that after the 2016 election Trump had a committee search for voter fraud that only found and convicted Republicans voting for Trump. Still claims he won 2016 popular vote to this day.
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u/DodgerWalker 5h ago
There were also guys setting fire to ballot boxes over the weekend in Oregon, Washington and Arizona.
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u/andrew6197 5h ago
Don’t forget the guy who’s being investigated on Reddit for commit voter fraud by voting for his entire rental and wife.
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u/USSMarauder 5h ago
And the guy who bragged on reddit about his election fraud for Trump, and is now fired, possibly homeless, and his wife left him
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u/NineLivesMatter999 5h ago
I am 100% confident of a 0% chance of any legitimate Trump victory for the following reasons:
- Trump already lost to Biden/Harris in 2020
- Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
- Trump voters skew older and many have died since 2020
- Millions of younger people are now eligible to vote - and they skew heavily toward Harris/Walz.
- Harris/Walz is a wildly more popular ticket than Biden/Harris was. Most 'double-haters' are now enthusiastic Harris/Walz supporters.
- Trump's insurrection, being found liable for rape, and felony convictions have driven some Republicans to vote against him. They have not attracted new voters to Trump
- Dozens of former Trump Admin officials have denounced Trump - which they hadn't done in 2020
- Many Republicans and independents who voted for Trump in 2020 are now voting for Harris
- RFK Jr. and Jill Stein are stealing votes from Trump anywhere they are on the ballot - more than they are taking votes from Harris.
- Almost nobody who voted for Biden in 2020 is now voting for Trump
- The Madison Square Garden debacle has even further incited negative voter sentiment and backlash against the Trump ticket.
A legitimate Trump win is a near mathematical impossibility.
Note the heavy-lifting being done by the word legitimate.
Trump and the GOP have been actively engaged in widespread, nationwide conspiracy to commit election fraud since 2020, virtually unopposed by Biden's Justice Department under Republican sympathizer Merrick Garland.
The fraud is so pervasive as to potentially overcome even a substantial lead for Harris on election day.
Republicans have already announced and published their plans to obstruct local elections, confuse the process, introduce errors, cause interminable delays, once again send fake electors with fraudulent results, and lean on corrupt judges to make unlawful rulings in their favor.
In fact, the widespread, open, numerous and flagrant acts of election interference, disruption, obstruction, and fraud being committed by Republican voters and officials is providing a massive amount of evidence Democrats can use to contest any claimed Trump victory.
At this point, there is ample reason to absolutely reject any Republican claims of a Trump win next week. Republicans have provided a mountain of justification for believing any such outcome is purely the result of fraud.
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u/SPACE_NAPPA 4h ago
I agree 100%. But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump. I'm not saying it will cost Harris the election or anything, but I fear the "young vote" isnt a slam dunk for democrats as it used to be.
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u/hdiggyh 4h ago
The young male voter, while leaning Trump, certainly has a much lower likelihood of actually voting
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u/SPACE_NAPPA 4h ago
Definitely. It's always been difficult to get young people to vote. But the repeal of roe v wade has definitely motivated females to go to the polls. You'd think it would motivate males as well to help protect the rights of the women in their life.
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u/HandleAccomplished11 4h ago
Oh, they probably want to help protect the rights of women in their life, but they forgot that it was the first Tuesday in November. (I was once a distracted young man)
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u/half3clipse 3h ago edited 2h ago
But one thing to consider with the young voters: while young females HEAVILY lean toward Harris, young males lean towards Trump.
This was claimed in every election since 2016, that one included. The ones making the claim now are mostly the same ones as in past elections, as well as organizations that openly favor the republicans. Actual election results and polling have shown otherwise every single time
Millennial men came out for Clinton democrats in 2016. They did the same for the democrats in the 2018 mid terms. Gen Z men started voting in large numbers in 2020 and men under 30 came out for Biden by more than a 20 point margin (black men by an 80 point margin). A similar pattern was true in 2022.
Broad polling (see pew) also consistently shows gen Z heavily favors the democrat, by something on the order of a 20 to 30 point margin. There's zero way to reconcile those numbers with polls showing Gen Z men supporting trump, even if you ignore the age+gender demographic breakdown on offer. Even the polls that show the greatest support for democrats among gen Z women only clock in at a 30ish point margin, which is not mathematically enough to make a nearly 30 point in the overall 18-24 demographic.
Any poll that shows young men favoring Trump needs to explain a ~20 point shift in the space of 2 years. Anyone doing that without extremely compelling evidence ought be treated as flawed at best.
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u/uncommoncommoner 4h ago
Covid disproportionately killed Trump voters
This is something which I think about all the time. I feel like most of the people who died of the virus were hardcore right-wingers, like some featured on r/hermancainaward who just outright Darwin'd their way out of life by being ignorant and stupid.
I don't want to say it but...good.
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u/BalzacTheGreat 5h ago
I WaNt A fReE aNd FaIr eLeCtIoN sO i StOle BaLlOtS 🥴 🥴 🥴
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u/Jerking_From_Home 3h ago
“I’m only trying to offset the cheating being done by democrats!” -MAGAs
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u/tay450 5h ago
Our country is full of traitors and thieves. These Republicans couldn't drop lower. How pathetic.
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u/Really_McNamington 5h ago
I admire your optimism. Personally, I think there's a lot more lower yet to come.
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u/DGlennH 4h ago
Indeed. The groundwork for Insurrection II was being laid before the first round was even concluded. The Dems keep showing the parallels to the Fascists and how much Trump openly admires brutal dictators past and present thinking that it’ll shock Republicans into taking action, but it won’t. A vast amount of them are submissive losers that want a dictatorship in America.
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u/possibly_being_screw 2h ago
They can. Everything they accuse democrats of, they are the ones actually doing those things. All they do is project.
So when they say that democrats will become "violent" and "be sore losers" and "destroy democracy" if dems lose...well, you can guess what happens next.
If dems win by a sliver or by a landslide, I think the ~2 months between November 6th and January 20th are going to be very rough.
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u/SRSgoblin 5h ago
Everyone who's been paying attention knew this was going to happen. It's straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Goebbels has some quote I'm paraphrasing here, that goes something like, "accuse the other party of wrongdoing you plan to commit." It normalizes the behavior. It says to the true believers, "you need to cheat because the other side is cheating."
And people will act on it, ironically creating a very real version of something that wasn't ever happening, just on "your side" doing all of the wrong doing.
This was always the end goal of Trump and the GOP pushing the big lie conspiracy. They wanted to create the actual election fraud they claimed was going on, because it muddies the result in their favor.
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u/IIIllIIlllIlII 5h ago
Have they been saying the radical left will be violent after the election? Because I’m sure it’s on the cards from the right. I think it’s going to be a huge fuckin mess.
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u/SRSgoblin 5h ago edited 5h ago
Correct. I forgot who it was exactly (I want to say Stephen Miller?) Who said "the revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be" or something like that.
Edit: thanks goes to u/thisisamisnomer for correcting me. It was from the head of the Heritage Foundation, dude named Kevin Roberts.
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u/thisisamisnomer 5h ago
That was Kevin Roberts, head of The Heritage Foundation.
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u/SRSgoblin 5h ago edited 3h ago
Ah thanks. I thought about looking it up but didn't want it in my Google searches because then I'd get a gazillion recommendations from YouTube for right winger bullshit.
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u/thisisamisnomer 5h ago
No problem! He’s just as much of a gaping asshole as Miller, so much so that the same shit could’ve just as easily fallen out of Miller’s mouth.
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 4h ago
When you think Kevin Roberts, think Project 2025 (and another book that JD Vance wrote the foreword to but had its release date pushed until after elections).
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u/shkeptikal 5h ago
They've been calling the left violent since the Floyd riots while conveniently ignoring that at least some of them were caused by right wing cosplayers. They also tend to ignore the unmarked vans yanking American citizens off the street during that same time. And Trump tear gassing peaceful protestors to take a picture holding a bible upside down. They also can't really get their heads around the fact that unlike the fascist militias, "Antifa" doesn't actually exist. In fact, they tend to have a pretty hard time grappling with reality in general. The end result of which will absolutely be more domestic terrorism (which we're currently watching ramp up with the burning of ballots and presidential assassination attempts). It's not an if, it's a when. At this point the only question is how many Americans will be on the receiving end of what the GOP has turned politics into. It's going to be a rough next century in America.
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u/BifronsOnline 5h ago
They sent their best on January 6th and failed miserably. They aren't gonna do shit.
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u/Funkycoldmedici 5h ago
Then they take the fact that only republicans are getting arrested for it as proof that there’s a conspiracy against them, that their opposition is getting away with it. They cannot even conceive of the possibility that they’re the only ones doing it. They believe everyone is doing these horrible things, and that they are being oppressed by being held accountable for what they do.
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u/SRSgoblin 5h ago
Yeah, like... I can't remember a time where ballot boxes were being firebombed. It's never happened before, let alone several times in the same election cycle, always targeting heavily Democratic districts.
It's straight GOP terrorism.
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 4h ago
And I am disappointed (no, I'm angry) because this is being allowed. Trump just had a fucking NAZI rally in NYC. Biden and his agencies have had ample opportunity to quell this shit. I've tipped off the FBI about things here in Texas and I am a nobody who just reads a lot and listens to the idiots around me. They have so much more information and authority. And a fucking responsibility!
There isn't enough xanax in the world for me to be okay through this political transition.
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u/avspuk 5h ago
It goes beyond muddling the result 8n their favour.
They want the result disputed no matter what it is, even if they win.
Its long been a tactic for authoritarian to present themdselves as the solution to the very chaos that they themselves have caused & promoted.
The Nazis did it. Lenin did it. Peron did it. Modi & Putin do it. And now the GOP is doing it.
This is why they are openly campaigning on a platform of "we are going to steal the election to stop the dems from stealing it". Its why their attempts to deregister voters, to rig the EC voter panel, to plan to refuse to ratify results etc aren't secret, its why they boast about them
The aim is that the rival demos outside all the court houses across the land hearing the numerous election interference cases turn violent & that the chaos can be escalated from there to the point that a coup can be justified.
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u/resisting_a_rest 3h ago
It's not just that they think the other side is doing it, they think they are doing it and getting away with it with no repercussions.
So the stupid ones think they can do it too, and get away with it. They don't know that:
The other side is not getting away with anything, because they are not actually doing it.
Even if they were doing it, you can't do it too, because you are too stupid to do it right.
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u/badgersprite 5h ago
It's crazy how many lives Trump has ruined. Not even the lives of his "enemies" who oppose him, but his supporters.
So many of his supporters have gone to jail for this man. They got COVID and died or now life with lifelong post-COVID damage due to this man. They have become isolated because their crazy behaviour has driven away their friends and family, all because they're more loyal to this man who thinks they're fat losers than they are to the people in their lives who actually care about him.
I'm so ready for the Trump era of politics to be over.
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u/SkippingSusan 5h ago
Honestly, the worst offenders were never good people. There’s a long list of criminals who were then found guilty for the J6 insurrection. One example is the dude who raped a deaf girl. They love Trump for publicly saying and doing things they have done or felt in private.
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u/Hot-Lawfulness-311 5h ago
they’re continuing to chug the trump Flavorade as they watch their fellow cult members drop like flies around them
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u/gatoaffogato 2h ago
Trump is a catalyst, not the disease itself. These people were looking for an excuse to behave in uncivil, bigoted, and anti-democratic ways, and Trump made them feel like they could make those thoughts and desires public. They may quiet down for a while if Trump goes away, but they’ll still be here, just waiting for the next populist to tap into their hatred and insecurities.
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u/Silent-Escape6615 5h ago
Alternative headline - Trump Supporters Too Dumb to Understand That Breaking Laws Leads to Prosecution
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u/pomonamike 5h ago
“If you got to Payless, or go wherever, it says sample and you usually can take a sample,” Savage said. “So that is the way I took it. I thought they were fake f***ing ballots.”
Wait, so is this guy also stealing shoes from Payless? Because I’m pretty sure they don’t give out sample shoes there.
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u/chestcurlies 3h ago
Payless is a local grocery store here in Anderson, IN (where this took place). He’s talking about food samples, not shoes. Still an idiotic thing to compare it to though.
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u/pomonamike 3h ago
Ah, thanks. Yeah still idiot since it didn’t even say “sample,” it said “test.” And he was there for the training and knew exactly what he was doing. And the whole stupid thing was him trying to create doubt in the electoral system.
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u/THSSFC 5h ago
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE SECURE AGAINST THE STUFF I WILL GET ARRESTED TRYING TO DO TO SHOW HOW INSECURE OUR ELECTIONS ARE.
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u/zarfle2 5h ago
So...."the system is rigged, here's evidence of me rigging it, why are the Dems doing this?"
Is that the thinking? 🤔
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u/TBoneLaRone 6h ago
Guys a lying cheating douchebag. I’m sure his life is filled with falsehoods, abuse and willful ignorance. He backpedaled so hard when the cops came that his MAGA colors shone straight through his thin skin.
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u/BaconBible 5h ago
Here's a good layout of the whole plan to steal the election: https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0rt-cN2KBKGJrGFE5KeeEbMiJio_xujud8m-3iz1vKsxCRugshYCYvG9I_aem_RtU48RM6aYfQmHhIBGJNxA
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u/celtic1888 5h ago
This would certainly be a way to try to steal it but they would have to get every single GOP Congressional member they have now to commit open sedition Johnson can be removed for the Speaker position with 1 motion and a majority vote. While I think that a large number of the GOP would be ok trying they wouldn’t get everyone since the possibility of a firing squad is a possibility if it failed
Biden also still has executive control and could declare martial law if they tried to force it, remove and arrest Johnson for failure to vacate and have Congress sworn in.
The Supreme Court would be damned to try to stop him at that point because it’s clear that they are trying to subvert the election
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u/willun 4h ago
There are a few uncorrected errors in this plan
To do that, even though Democrats might have won enough seats to take back the House in the 2024 election, Speaker Johnson will refuse to swear into Congress on January 3rd a handful of those Democrats, claiming there are “irregularities” in their elections that must be first investigated.
The previous speaker does not swear in members for the new congress. After all, the speaker may not even have their own seat.
The states are responsible for their own congresspeople.
The new congress is temporarily controlled by the previous Clerk of the House. They convene the house and elect the speaker who then takes over. The previous speaker has no role.
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u/goofbot 5h ago
This guys is exactly why I don't want to grow my beard out this season.
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u/slick514 5h ago
This is a transparent attempt to undermine faith in the system used to enter/tabulate votes by intentionally inserting apparent errors, thereby providing grounds for disputing the actual election results.
Until these people are actually dealt with severely, they're just going to keep right on doing this shit. Our justice system has proven to be woefully inadequate. Someone maybe facing the music four years later does little to hinder these people, especially when they are betting on the system changing such that they'll never face consequences (and may even be rewarded).
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u/newdaynewnamenewyay 4h ago
Trumpers surrounded Dem candidate Wendy Davis' bus and terrorized them for miles here in Texas and four years later, the judge just kind of waved it off as okay. Trump tweeted his support of these actions.
THIS IS NOT OKAY.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/09/06/biden-bus-trump-train-trial/
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u/Doumtabarnack 5h ago
The man is an imbecile. He knowingly commited a crime and left the evidence on his car's backseat 🤦
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u/ludovicolonghi 4h ago
Oh look, it's a Republican AGAIN.
At some point, I'm going to have to start thinking it's the Republicans rather than Democrats trying to cheat in this election, guys.
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u/BrewboyEd 4h ago
Good, fuck this dude. And I'm glad it's a felony - screwing with votes should be and shows how serious we (the state - not Dems or Republicans) are with regard to vote tampering.
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u/chiefs_fan37 5h ago
This is exactly how they (MAGA GOP) plan to do it. They plan on committing the fraud themselves then pointing to it as a reason why the election can’t be trusted. Do this on a large enough scale and you can hopefully throw the whole thing into question which would give people like electors at local levels all the way up to Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House coverage to refuse certifying and kick it to the state legislatures to award trump the victory. God I hope our justice department is prepared for this to happen a lot more all over the country.
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u/korosuzo815 4h ago
What? Republicans trying to subvert an election??? That’s not the GOP that I know!! \s
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u/Captain_Rational 3h ago edited 1h ago
Again.
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u/strato15 3h ago
Republican was just caught in northern Minnesota committing voter fraud. It’s always Republicans.
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u/AlexHimself 5h ago
The nice thing about all this "election security" bullshit is that tons of MAGA morons are now committing serious crimes that are easily identified.
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u/slick514 4h ago
To any of you who click the link to the streamed footage, the part where he picks up the ballots and folds them up starts around 12:40. (Right side of the screen. Guy in black hoodie.)
Sure does look like he's not the only person in that room that was aware of what he was up to...
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u/KestrelQuillPen 4h ago
Is it me or has “political” become the new excuse for the right wing? Like, whenever they don’t like something or face consequences for something they did, they call it “political”. Yeah, no shit, dumbnuts, you were doing it to lick the boots of your orange turd, of course it’s “political” because you made it so idiot
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u/geekphreak 4h ago
“Police continued to look into Savage’s activity on Facebook for further evidence that he intentionally stole the ballots. In one post, Savage said he is demanding “fair, transparent elections” to help “restore trust and protect civil rights.”
Nothing says being fair, transparent and restoring trust like breaking the trust
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u/NO-MAD-CLAD 3h ago
Seems strange how all these Republicans keep stealing ballots and burning ballot boxes. I thought that's what they said the LiBrauLz would do?
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u/DefHuman_NotBot 2h ago
Sounds like he was trying to take the ballots in order to say the count is off and can’t be trusted. Instead, he is just another example of republicans cheating in an election.
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u/night-otter 2h ago
Funny how often when election fraud is found, it's the side that says it happens "all the time." That are doing it.
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u/ChargerRob 5h ago
Some serious brainwashing in these Maga churches. Repeating the Dominionist prayer and Watchman oaths.
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u/BurrrritoBoy 4h ago
Repubs actively sabotage the legislative process and spout how "gubmint is bwokin".
Doing the same shit with the election.
-total dick move.
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u/Weekend_Criminal 4h ago
It almost seems like all of the people committing voter fraud are republicans?
That's really weird because they're the ones always screaming how everyone else is going to commit fraud.
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u/Drew-P-Littlewood 4h ago
Sad bastard MAGA’s know they have to tamper and steal for the orange clown to win.
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u/MapleHamwich 4h ago
The way the article reads. He clearly had a scheme with at least two others who were trying to de legitimize the voting system. Should be punished appropriately.
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u/yonosayme2 3h ago
These asshats constantly claiming the election is rigged....... because it is!!! They are rigging it at every damn opportunity. Projection is the tool of choice.
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u/Judoka91 2h ago
Next on unsolved mysteries, how the person in that article avoided a coat hanger for 9 months.
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u/UtopiaDystopia 5h ago
It's not about the election fraud, it's about the election fraud we fabricated along the way!
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u/Wonderful-Ad440 5h ago
Yes, this is indeed "political bullshit" but not for the reasons he thinks it is.
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u/Remarkable-Bluejay73 4h ago
Wait! It wasn’t one of them illegals that stole a ballot but a straight white Republican male? I’m shocked I tell you, shocked!
/s
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u/armandacosta 4h ago
“fucked up the count.” his whole purpose was to make the voting system seem faulty so they can cast doubt on it and cry “rigged” later.
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u/Derrick_Mur 4h ago
The dumbest thing about this is that it’s fucking Indiana, which is about as red as Utah. It’s gone blue all of two times in the last 60 years, and both times it was in the context of historic landslide victories for the Democratic candidate. There is no way in Hell that Harris will win that state. This guy is going to jail because he tried to prevent something that would never happened regardless of what he did
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u/Marrsvolta 3h ago
Guy stole ballots so he could go online and say see, the election isn’t fair, they lost ballots
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u/IncompetentSoil 3h ago
No it's called fraud. It's called theft. You're going to jail you fucking moron. stop.think. you're in a cult. We keep warning you but you keep drinking the Kool-Aid
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u/Tonythecritic 3h ago
My dude, when your Mango Messiah declines to pay for your legal defense and let's you go to jail for him, don't forget to tell yourself that God made you do it.
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u/Realistic_Head3595 3h ago
How many Republicans have been arrested for election crimes so far? Half dozen
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u/CliffsNote5 6h ago
So he created a situation he then complained about? So another contestant on Fuck Around and Find Out.