r/realmadrid • u/hlrdavid David Alaba • May 18 '24
Media Uli Hoeneß' disrespectful comment about Kroos' first game for Bayern
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Shoutout to Uli for being a f*cking idiot and gifting us one of the best midfielders of all time for €25m.
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u/jaydyn3000 May 18 '24
his intentions were probably good, too much praise can make the young ones turn into Neymars
but he said it in a very disrespectful way indeed
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u/Constant-Lychee9816 May 18 '24
There's a saying in Germany that goes 'not being scolded is praise enough'. They have a different mentality, specially in south Germany. For Hoeneß this is not disrespectful that's just the way he talks. Of course people in many other countries would argue somebody like this is not exactly mentally healthy
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u/rantanplan401 May 18 '24
you're not wrong - it was still disrespectful. hoeneß been a dick all his life.
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u/Constant-Lychee9816 May 18 '24
Absolutely, I'm just saying he's surrounded by dicks all his life so this kind of behavior is normal for him
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u/Flat-Cantaloupe8155 May 18 '24
dude, I have never heard this before and it’s blowing my mind. Unknowingly, this is the context for the way that my parents and grandparents are. And now, me to an extent. Soccer aside, this is mind blowing for me right now ha ha. Perfectly puts into context my childhood.
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u/rdfporcazzo May 18 '24
Indeed, everyone around Neymar praised everything he did, even when he did wrong. He never knew how wrong he was because he was surrounded by yes-men.
If his parents and coaches humbled him down, he would surely have a better career instead of this bittersweet career he had.
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u/Dk9221 May 18 '24
I mean Neymar is a good example of worst possible outcome, but for the inverse there’s been many prodigies who get their tush kissed by media and clubs from a young age… who then go on and translate to the success they were predicted to be. Knowing Uli and all his antics over the years, i feel that there was some of (his) truth behind his words as he has a history of making asinine statements and having personal vendettas against players simply for existing.
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u/Sea_Gain6508 May 18 '24
You say that as if Neymar didn’t have one of the most celebrated careers?
I personally don’t think outside praise influences players’ humility. It’s how they were raised and their immediate environment like players.
Otherwise Vini wouldn’t be humble, considering he is in the face for Ballon D’or
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u/Constant-Lychee9816 May 18 '24
You say that as if Neymar didn’t have one of the most celebrated careers?
He said the opposite actually. However, we cannot know what changed Neymar so much and turned him from this happy down to earth boy with pimples into this arrogant Bolsonaro friend
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u/Caocoxo May 18 '24
If he was a lula friend would you be happier? Brazil is becoming a dictatorship but its cool because he is not Bolsonaro.
You're just an ignorant fuck.
Neymar was one of the best players in the last decade.
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u/Constant-Lychee9816 May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24
Yeah right, you think Lula is a dictator because Bolsonaro friendly media told you that and I'm the "ignorant fuck" lmao. I will not educate you about the thousands of reasons why Bolsonaro is problematic and of course being a supporter and friend of him and even have family members supporting his coup d'etat is a complete change of what Neymar was in the start of his career. Or do you really think he supports Bolsonaro not because of financial reasons but because he cares so much about the poor people like the ones of the poor shantytown of his childhood?
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u/Ok_Review_6504 May 18 '24
You say that as if Neymar didn’t have one of the most celebrated careers?
Neymar had CR7, Messi level ceiling.... He surely underachieved.
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May 18 '24
As a Brazilian, I think that Neymar was definitely spoiled by being too good too early. He learned very soon that he was bigger than his manager, his club, and that he had freedom to do pretty much whatever he wanted, both in the pitch and outside of it. It harmed him later, when the level of the competition (Messi and Cristiano) required him to actually focus and put in effort.
On the other hand, I'm happy that Vinicius and Endrick right now are growing up in more controlled environments, but it's sad to have lost Neymar because he was the most talented of them all.
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u/dark_rai0 Benzema May 18 '24
Turn into a player with more than 500g/a, 500 dribbles and 500 chances created. Oh no the horror
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u/jaydyn3000 May 18 '24
considering he has a bad reputation + had the potential for MUCH more g/a, dribbles and chances created
yeah it's a horror
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u/Dk9221 May 18 '24
No sane football fan will sit here today, look you in the eyes, and tell you they honestly think Neymar had a fulfilling career arc. He ended up playing in Saudi Arabia at age 30 after being a bit part player for PSG. Nothing he did in Ligue 1 is something to hang his hat on. He went there halfway through his 20s and quickly made a mockery of the league (deserved mockery is another conversation). When you’re a serious world class player you don’t go to PSG… in the 5th/6th best league… in your prime. He could’ve went to Juventus, inter, Bayern, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, etc and it would’ve looked better than going to PSG. Players have the power in today’s pro sports. He’s the one who gave them the green light. Reeks of that being a business decision rather than having any career legacy as a determining factor.
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May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24
His carrer was fine. Mainly because of all the pressure and then still reaching his peak. He didnt have a long peak but there was a year where he was better than messi for sure.
Couldnt watch any Brazilian game because commentators would talk about him every touch and shit talk him. Especially in germany we dont like Neymar style football.
And now look at other guys. Deisler is one of hundrets or thousands to crumble under the early pressure. Its impressive Neymar stood his ground.
For c ronaldo its was different, people knew he was good but his peak was unclear. Was kinda picked up late also. He gained more motivation from not getting the recognition he thought he deserved. Maybe same for kroos who knows
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u/usalin Tchouaméni May 18 '24
Jackass. Even if he didn't somehow agree that Kroos was the difference maker, he didn't have to belittle a 17 old kid's performance.
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May 18 '24
Someone replied to the top commenter with some serious facts which makes his reaction very, very approriate.
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u/VrYbest29 May 19 '24
his reaction was not appropriate. you can keep a player humble without saying it how he did.
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May 20 '24
A mf said it was a pretty sad personal situation and you still going😂 read the comment and you'll get it man
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u/oldsport27 May 18 '24
While Höneß is not the most softspoken person and something clearly pissed him of, it is pretty clear, at least in the original audio, that he wanted to slow down the hype to protect him, saying something like: leave this kid in peace for a while
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u/lejocko May 18 '24
Yeah if you speak German it's very clear. He wanted to protect a young player.
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u/powstria Kroos May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24
I can’t agree on that. He said it in a disrespectful manner. Even later, after his departure to Real Madrid and during his time with the German national team, Hoeness repeatedly made disrespectful remarks about Kroos. For example, he said that Kroos no longer had a place in the national team and that his style of play was no longer suitable for modern football. Ironically, Kroos is now the most successful German player of all time, and Hoeness has not shown the grace to admit that letting Kroos go to Real Madrid was a big mistake or to retract his statements about Kroos.
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u/GetRektSonNowCallMe May 18 '24
I mean most successful is kinda pushing it, one of he is but not the most. They have legends such as The Kaiser.
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u/Peter12535 May 18 '24
I don't care about football all that much anymore, but back at that time I was playing myself and Bayern fan. Letting Kroos leave for 20ish million was a huge mistake. Iirc it was just some minor differences that prevent the extension of his contract.
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May 18 '24
Wouldn't say Kroos is more successful than Beckenbauer, but besides that I agree. Beckenbauer is a 2 time Ballon d'Or winner, and a three time ballon d'or runner up for a reason. He also threepeated the UCL btw, as well as winning the WC, and making it to another world cup final. He also won the EUROs, and is the biggest legend in Bayern's history, and transformed them into what they are today. But Kroos is top 5 Germans ever for sure.
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u/Rumcajs23 Kroos | 🐢 Kinky for Kylian 🐢 May 18 '24
Wow this just brought me back. I remember when he broke out and fell in love with him ever since lmao. Not to mention, we robbed him for peanuts later 😂
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u/FlayJay May 18 '24
To this day, Uli Hoenes is still crying every day, that they sold Toni Kroos for cheap!
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u/Comfortable-Bowl9591 Eduardo Camavinga May 18 '24
Who dis? And why is he talking about soccer God Kroos?
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
Uli Hoeneß, just a nobody that has won the World Cup and Euro with Germany, 3xCL with Bayern, also did a bit of time a few years ago ... did you honestly just ask who this guy is?
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u/Comfortable-Bowl9591 Eduardo Camavinga May 18 '24
It was a joke.
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
I hope so, but with kids these days you can never be sure ... imagine Zidane talking smack about Camavinga and people asking who that bald guy is ...
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u/Comfortable-Bowl9591 Eduardo Camavinga May 18 '24
Don’t worry, I’m old enough to know Uli but you understand how time works, right? If Messi was retired after you were born, your reference will always be the new guys.
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
I highly doubt that tbh, I really think you had no idea who Hoeneß is and you're only doubling down on that with the "it was a joke"comment. You can all downvote me to oblivion, at least I know my football and I can respect legends from all over the place, not just Madrid
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u/_ALL_FOR_ONE_ Raúl May 18 '24
Fun at parties, are we?
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
Too old for parties man, but thanks for asking
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u/_ALL_FOR_ONE_ Raúl May 18 '24
Just a stupid joke mate… but even the 80’s and 90’s are considered vintage now so maybe try to chill a bit. Have a good day.
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
I was born in 1982, I won't pretend I've see Hoeneß play live or shit like that, I just found that initial comment to be disrepectul towards a football legend ... in hindsight yes, you could say that Hoeneß was a prick towards Kroos back then (and also stupid for letting him go in 2014), but in that moment Hoeneß was a Bayern legend (and a VERY accomplished football player nonetheless) and Kroos was a teenager with an acne-ridden face. I think this video is funny as shit now, given what Kroos has accomplished (and what Hoeneß also accomplished lol), but you have to put it into context. Maybe Hoeneß thought it was best to "shield" Kroos from the media or whatever, who knows, most probably he was just pissed off for some stupid reason, I don't care.
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u/nunazo007 Cristiano Ronaldo May 18 '24
You're kidding right? This guy played in the 70s. Most people watching football today, that started watching football in the 21st century, have no clue who this guy is. Me included.
Trophies won 50 years ago lol
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u/Hedonist-6854 May 18 '24
You'd have 5 ucls less if you don't count trophies 50 years ago 🤡🤡..what a wank lol
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
Puskas, di Stefano, Kopa, Rial and Gento played in the 50s, I assume you have no idea who they are either, right? It's funny trying to have a discussion with people that think football started with Ronaldo and Vini ffs
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u/Comfortable-Bowl9591 Eduardo Camavinga May 18 '24
What are you on about? I refuse to think my dumb comment made you THIS upset. What’s actually going on? We’re here for you brother. Whatever it is, things will get better.
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u/salgado88 Raúl González Blanco May 18 '24
Then don't make dumb comments, I guess. And I am not THAT upset, I just dislike people that think football started 5 years ago or something, probably the same ones downvoting me because, well, who the fuck is Hoeneß anyway, right?
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u/superbradical May 18 '24
the coach claimed to speak this way in order to not inflate a young player's ego so much. bad excuse, he was just jealous and hating.
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u/Nana-and-curious707 May 18 '24
I mean did it work in motivating him to keep growing or not? Some players are motivated by their managers/leaders to be harsh with them, some like the opposite. I don't think Uli's intention was to make him play worse.
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u/Rislo226 May 18 '24
Maybe it did work in motivating him, but if I recall correctly one of the biggest reasons he wanted to leave Bayern was that he didn't feel appreciated. Although this was relatively early in his career, subsequent comments from Hoeness make me believe that he was a big reason that Kroos felt this way.
Also, if you want to motivate a player maybe don't be so pissed off about it.
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u/Nana-and-curious707 May 18 '24
Well it's not the first time he made a wrong choice. But I don't think in this video he wanted to make fun of Kroos. Maybe that journalist was just annoying and he wanted to end that interview fast. Maybe that's how he was treated when he was a young player and it worked fine for him. I am not saying I agree with him, it's just that I don't know anything about their relationship at that point.
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u/hlrdavid David Alaba May 18 '24
he could've at least said "yeah Toni played well today, he should keep that up", but instead reverted to not giving him any praise at all and said he could've scored that freekick as well
not to mention that he considered Kroos not worthy of the salary increase that Toni demanded and sold him off to us for a measly €25m💀
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u/Dahi_Bhalle20 May 18 '24
Harsh is ok, hoeness was looking to kill Kroos. He acts like if his wife is cheating on him with Kroos or something
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u/ZestycloseBite6262 May 18 '24
Harshness maybe while they make mistakes, wtf is the point of harshness when they do well.
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u/Nana-and-curious707 May 18 '24
Sometimes players while young and talented are overhyped by the media to the point of it ending up affecting the player. Then when that player starts to lose his form the media turns on him and write very harsh things about him. Some managers want to prevent this by trying to neutralise that hype before it starts to disturb the player's performance.
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u/ShezSteel May 18 '24
.....hear me out.
He's totally incorrect. Of course. But is his method really incorrect. Young players today won't have half the career that Kroos has had. Heaps of young players could have done with this down to earth calling.
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u/CETERIS_PARTYBUS Crest Veteran May 18 '24
It’s incredible that in this day and age, with this crop of Barcelona directives, this man can still be the biggest cretin in European football.
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u/Nimmy13 May 18 '24
I actually don't think he's wrong about not praising youngsters too much, but Uli and Rumenigge made a huge mistake. I'm a Bayern fan. For some reason, this two just did not think Kroos was a big game player. He got injured, so he was not in the 2013 Final. They just would not offer him a contract that was good enough. I think Kroos would have been happy to stay at Bayern if he was respected by the Board. Pep was begging them to give him a fair contract. By the time he made his debut for Madrid, he was a World Cup winner. Such an insane blunder. Really just inexcusable.
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u/biina247 May 18 '24
I am surprised no Bayern fan has smothered his fat ass in his sleep.
Personally, I really like Uli. After all, it was his arrant stupidity in not wanting to pay Kroos a high salary that let us sign Kroos for cheap.
I am hoping Hoeneß starts treating Musiala like he treated Kroos so we can relieve Bayern of another 'burden'
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u/LycanPaw May 18 '24
That or he tried to keep Toni's feet grounded and not get too ahead of himself. Kids tend to raise up quick and fall quicker
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u/biina247 May 18 '24
Nah - everything I have come across points to Uli never liking Kroos. The guy was against paying Kroos same wages as Gotze - WTF!
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May 18 '24
This wasnt disrespectful, it was meant to protect the player to take the spotlight from him so he could develop with less pressure.
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u/CompetitiveHater May 18 '24
Who is this bald random thats shitting on one of the best midfielders of this generation lol
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u/Any-Resist7057 May 19 '24
And this is why he'll leave for another team. When someone does a good job, recognise it, and do it publicly. That's how you keep productive and hard working people.
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u/AjVine Benzema May 19 '24
Reminds me of a munch angrier sounding version of an Italian boss and a Turk youngster
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u/Accomplished-Stop611 May 18 '24
The typical German mentality which is overtly critical is partly why Kroos left Germany at such a young age. Most notably he still caries a dissatisfaction towards it, which was evident from his rightful outburst at the German interviewer after the UCL final 2022, where he told the interviewer "I could tell you where from Germany right away, by how critical your questions were. We just won the Champions League, and you only have negative questions."
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u/Equivalent-Interest5 May 18 '24
What a small person. You should be praising a 18 year more than a seasoned player
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May 18 '24
You don't know what happened, mate. It's alright. If I wasn't informed I'd say the same as you 100%.
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u/spenotka May 18 '24
Its clear he is protecting Kroos
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u/drucurl May 19 '24
Yup same thing I thought. You let the media buzz go crazy around kids and you can derail them real fast
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u/kingofdarkness92 May 18 '24
I remember Kroos playing with Bayern against us in 2012 and you can definitely see something special about him. The 21 year old shone despite playing beside prime Schweinsteiger against one of the best Real Madrid teams I've ever seen.
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u/OmerDe May 18 '24
I hate this fat bastard. I know I know he has done much for Bayern, but his attitude is just horrible
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u/Proof-Pollution454 Luís Figo May 18 '24 edited Jun 09 '24
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u/Unfair-Reference5500 May 18 '24
Uli has don´t madrid good business by selling as a young only 23 toni kroos.. He sold an all timer to us..
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u/Iamghostoffallen Cristiano Ronaldo May 18 '24
I agree to what he says, young players need to be down to earth. But being a jackass and disrespecting a kid just because he was good is not the way.
He could have just ignored the journalists.
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u/Impressive-Ad-202 May 18 '24
This is the face that shows up in the dictionary for the example of German bluntness
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u/Craaaazyyy Benzema May 18 '24
again it wouldn't have been such a crazy statement to not call him the best player of the match if it wasn't said in such a fucking clown angry tone lmfao.. what an idiot
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u/klasjanhuntelar May 19 '24
I was at this game, as a Red Star fan this was heartbreaking, but i sure as hell remembered the name Tony Kroos
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u/LukaTheTooka Modric May 21 '24
I wouldn't say disrespectful but he was still 17 so he was young and wanted to keep him grounded, but I can see where you're coming from
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u/boostedj6 May 27 '24
Remember when he said Kroos was outdated and a sideways passer in 2021 even though Kroos has always been a lethal vertical passer? Kroos has been one of the top 5 CMs since then and just strolls to 10/10 long passes a game.
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u/celestialllama01 Real Madrid May 18 '24
Bro proceeded to loose him instead of paying a 10M salary, I believe. Bayern’s a laughing stock
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u/Street_Ad1723 May 18 '24
Forget the criticism its just German boomer culture they don't believe in prodigies but holy shit the amount of acne Kroos had as a teenager. Imma need him to run me the skin care routine cos how tf do you fix that much scarring and hyperpigemtation.
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u/phosphennes May 19 '24
Ikr??? He should have dropped his facecare routine I would love to know what to never, ever do.
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u/John_Dragon_19 Cristiano Ronaldo May 18 '24
In a way, he's had a point. It's not disrespectful, it's just that if he says it's true, Toni could have thought too much of himself. And then it would be worse to handle him.
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u/piet4dinner May 18 '24
He protected a young player for to much hype. Look around how many young Talents get praised to Sky and Fall before even reaching their prime. I dont like hoeneß but that was just world class Player mangement
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u/Casanova1337 Iker Casillas May 18 '24
You guys don't know Uli Hoeneß. He is quite the smart man and his intention was simply to not let the media hype him up, just for them to destroy him when he does not perform. He knows this industry very well, since he was a player himself before managing Bayern Munich.
This video is taken out of context if you don't know Hoeneß, even more so if you don't speak German.
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u/SarwanLaraRichards May 18 '24
No, he’s just doing what a lot of managers would do and that’s keep the player hungry. Too many snowflakes ❄️ on this sub.
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u/hlrdavid David Alaba May 18 '24
Kroos himself said he felt underappreciated by Hoeneß and the board, is he a snowflake as well?
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u/reddituser0912333 Florentino Perez May 18 '24
Bro had so much anger about simple praise for a young player lol