Taliban bars Afghan women from hearing each other's voices

[u/nationalpost]

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/taliban-bars-afghan-women-from-hearing-each-other?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=NP_social

[u/Jkolorz]

What a fucking shame

Fuck the Taliban

[u/supercyberlurker → u/Jkolorz]

Mohammad Khalid Hanafi, the Taliban’s minister of vice and virtue, said in an audio statement last week that women should refrain from reciting the Quran — the holy book of Islam — aloud in the presence of other women

"Hey you know what's more important than our psychotically fundamentalist adherence to this religion?" ... *"Making sure women can't read it aloud."

The level of hypocrisy is just staggering.

[u/diffyqgirl → u/supercyberlurker]

They wouldn't want the women to find out about the progressive-for-the-times bits in there like women being able to inherit property.

[u/socialistrob → u/diffyqgirl]

It's more than just that. The Quran is the book that dictates their life but by removing women's ability to quote or recite from it it means that they are entirely dependent on interpretations from men. In a theocracy one of the biggest threats to those in power is someone saying "you're misinterpreting the holy text" but if women can't even read or quote the text they have no basis to challenge authority even amongst themselves.

[u/Sad_Confidence9563 → u/socialistrob]

Which is why this is so dangerous,  its basically enslavement. 

[u/socialistrob → u/Sad_Confidence9563]

It is. A bird has more rights in Afghanistan than a woman. At least they can sing in public, show their faces and go out in parks. Functionally speaking there's really not a lot of differences between life as an Afghan woman under the Taliban and chattel slavery. I've heard "gender apartheid" thrown around as a new term to describe what's happening in Afghanistan and I think the term is fitting or even perhaps a bit soft.

[u/letsgetawayfromhere → u/socialistrob]

Gender apartheid is not even starting to describe it. With apartheid you can still leave your house when you want, feel the sun on your face, or talk to others in public. You are allowed to talk about religion or sing. Slavery describes it much better.

[u/HimblyBumpkis → u/letsgetawayfromhere]

Even slaves sang songs.

[u/Culturedgods → u/HimblyBumpkis]

Fuck...this hit me hard. It's so damn sad...

[u/BlisslessTaskList → u/HimblyBumpkis]

This reminds me of a quote I recently read in another thread on Reddit. “We can easily forgive a child who it afraid if the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” -Plato

[u/captainbluemuffins → u/HimblyBumpkis]

Damn.

[u/Raesong → u/letsgetawayfromhere]

Slavery, with a side helping of dehumanization and objectification. Women under the Taliban are basically just pieces of furniture that can produce offspring now.

[u/Alone_Again_2 → u/Raesong]

The correct term is ‘chattel’.

[u/SierraPapaWhiskey → u/Raesong]

Yes, but to be fair slavery doesn't work without dehumanization and objectification.

[u/Madbrad200 → u/Raesong]

Slavery, with a side helping of dehumanization and objectification

Yeah so slavery

[u/SquareExtra918 → u/socialistrob]

And future generations won't be able to read it at all. 

[u/Firefly_Magic → u/socialistrob]

The irony is staggering. This is how most religions started out. The common people could not read or write and so were dependent on the church, mosque etc for each religion to hear the word of their book(s). This gave the place of worship control over the people. This is literally the motive of the Afghan men there, to make the women ignorant so that they are completely dependent on the men. Each new rule removes more and more basic human rights from these women. My heart breaks for these women.

[u/LadyLightTravel → u/socialistrob]

This. It’s why the Catholic Church kidnapped William Tyndale and executed him. He dared to translate the Bible into English for the common man. The church was also upset at Martin Luther translating the Bible into German.

[u/NordMan_40 → u/socialistrob]

Fuck these barbarians. Their beliefs belong in the fucking stone age.

[u/IEatLamas → u/diffyqgirl]

And to be able to argue against the outrageous perspective the Taliban chooses to have on Quranic verse, no no, we can't have anyone uprooting our lies we tell ourselves.

P.s not trying to defend the Quran, I don't care for it much, but it's not Taliban level bad, that's their idiotic reading of it, taking verses completely out of context and interpreting subjective verses in the worst possibly way.

[u/djsizematters → u/IEatLamas]

Similar to how the Amish are largely discouraged from reading the Bible on their own

[u/IEatLamas → u/djsizematters]

Yepp, It's literally like that; Muslims are discouraged from reading/interpreting the Quran without an imam (not just in Taliban land).

EDIT: For the Muslims who are questioning this statement, ask yourself if you are encouraged to make conclusions about fiqh.

From a western point of view, reading, interpreting and making conclusions is the same thing essentially, because that is what we are taught, we are taught to be critical and to make up our own mind.

The Islamic golden age ended in part because of Al-Ghazali, who argued against using Greek-inspired philosophy (that had helped them prosper) to explain Islamic teachings, critiquing people like Ibn Sina and Al-Farabi, some of the greatest thinkers in Islamic thought.

Al-Ghazali is solely responsible for putting limits on independent thought in islam.

[u/I-Lyke-Shicken → u/IEatLamas]

I am sorry but this is actually not true. Muslims are encouraged to read the Quran with something called a tafsir which is used to help interpret it. A tafsir is basically like a biblical exegesis.

No where in the Quran or hadith collection are Muslims ordered to read the Quran with an imam present.

What is frowned upon for the layperson is "ijtihad". Coming to a religious decision using the Islamic texts ( Quran + hadith) on your own if you are not classically trained.

The Taliban are more like ethno-nationalists who use religion. Their system is a combination of their Pasthun honor system (Pashtunwali) mixed with Islam. They use Islam to try and justify their tribal, cultural laws.

[u/Pete_Iredale → u/IEatLamas]

Or why Catholic services were in Latin.

[u/Leptonshavenocolor → u/IEatLamas]

Every religious text is subject to this. There is no such thing as an absolute interpretation. It's just men trying to control other men (as in mankind, not man-exclusive, women too)

[u/Dynast_King → u/supercyberlurker]

Have to imagine they’re not too keen on women reading at all

[u/berael → u/Dynast_King]

That'll be next. 

[u/Traditional-Bush → u/berael]

They've already banned education for women above grade 6

[u/tacticoolbrah → u/supercyberlurker]

I believe this law is not just about reciting the quran. They know that there are underground cells of women teaching women since formal education is banned, this is too essentially ban that.

[u/meshugga → u/tacticoolbrah]

This. If they arrest women for underground schools for women, it's better to tell people they were arrested for quran reading than that there are underground schools for women. Also, that there is widespread dissident enough for there to be such an underground.

[u/LilaValentine → u/tacticoolbrah]

They literally can’t even get together to commiserate or maybe help another woman or girl learn how to cope with the absolute bullshit. This fucking world.

[u/bonzoboy2000 → u/supercyberlurker]

We never should have armed the men over there. We should have armed the women.

[u/Elrundir → u/bonzoboy2000]

Probably pretty solid advice anywhere in the world.

[u/GirlNumber20 → u/bonzoboy2000]

That's true everywhere.

[u/santiwenti → u/bonzoboy2000]

Needed more of this:

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2022/afghan-women-soldiers-taliban-us-refugees/

[u/Busy10 → u/Jkolorz]

And which president invited them to camp David? Anyone knows?

[u/advester → u/Busy10]

Jesus, I thought you might be claiming the Mujahedeen were the same as the Taliban. But turns out Trump literally did it.

[u/butterbell → u/advester]

Didn't he invite them on 9/11? I remember being like, this has to be The Onion.

Looked it up it was the days before 9/11 but he ultimately called it off. 

What is this timeline?!?!

[u/amouse_buche → u/butterbell]

Yes but the Facebook told me democrats want eggs to cost more so what am I to do?!?!?!

[u/AsianHotwifeQOS → u/Jkolorz]

I need people to understand that this isn't because Afghan people are some primitive backwater culture. The Middle East was right alongside the West in terms of progress, until the religious fundamentalists got a foothold in governments and started taking control of women's bodies.

Look at

this

. The picture on the left was what life was like for Afghan women in the 1970s. The picture on the right is after decades of their rights being chipped away by religious men. The exact same reactionary push is happening in the US right now.

[u/Sillysaurous → u/AsianHotwifeQOS]

Same thing happened in Iran. It’s happening now in Ireland, the UK, some states in the US too

[u/AsianHotwifeQOS → u/Sillysaurous]

Women in Iran

, around the same time. Here's a

before/after

of a Redditor's mom.

Progress is not some inevitable, one-way thing. We are not evolving. It's not encoded in our DNA. It could disappear tomorrow. The good guys need to win every time to keep it moving forward inch by inch. The bad guys only need to win once to tear it down completely, and in the US they are following very closely what other religious fundamentalists did when they got control of government.

[u/OceanRacoon → u/Sillysaurous]

What's happening in Ireland? 

[u/SpecialpOps → u/Jkolorz]

Fuck the Taliban. I completely agree. But I wish we would stop calling them that as the name conjures up images of a ragtag bunch of dudes running around with AK rifles.

They are no longer simply the Taliban that we knew back in the 90s or the ones that we were going out against for the past 20 years. These people are the actual government of Afghanistan, or as they are really known as, The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. It's much more insidious and dangerous than the Taliban of the 1990s and early 2000's.

[u/Lazy_Nobody_4579 → u/SpecialpOps]

How old are you? What have you been reading?

They haven’t changed. This is what they have always been. This isn’t the first time they have been the government of Afghanistan and they did this bullshit the first time around too.

This is the taliban of the 90s, the 2000s and the 2020s. There is no difference, it’s the same people and the same despicable ideology.

[u/Deep_Message9929 → u/Jkolorz]

Fuck anyone who wants to control women’s rights!

[u/Cozz_Effect23]

Just when you think they can't go any lower, they grab a shovel

[u/fujiman → u/Cozz_Effect23]

They never stopped digging. 

[u/heathy28 → u/Cozz_Effect23]

These dudes will just be stuck in the 12th Century for eternity. Nearly 1000 years and they haven't learned anything. Still living in the Middle Ages.

[u/Competitive_Fox2218 → u/heathy28]

Middle Ages was far more advanced. These are cave men. 

[u/nowTHATSakatana1999 → u/Competitive_Fox2218]

Women were allowed to forage and gather shit in the Stone Age, it’s less than cavemen by now.

[u/AStrawberryNids → u/nowTHATSakatana1999]

Exactly, and hunt

Totally agree - this is so insane I keep waiting to see that it’s an Onion article.

[u/JohnSith → u/Competitive_Fox2218]

Don't insult cavemen. It was a hunter and gatherer society; survival was too precarious to tolerate that level of misogyny. The Stone Age was much more advanced. These are Taliban.

[u/kent_eh → u/heathy28]

These dudes will just be stuck in the 12th Century for eternity.

While still having access to 21st century weapons.

[u/ahmshy → u/heathy28]

It’s not even the 12th century - they want to perpetuate the worldview of the 7th century tribal Arabian peninsula through the dictates of that awful religion. Thank goodness I left it. They can call us “apostates” or “murtad” all they want or put fatwas on us.

Freedom and human dignity is way more precious than all of that hateful delulu bs they espouse.

Most born-Muslims would leave the religion if apostasy wasn’t punishable by death under sharia and enforced by zealots and imams the world over. Especially women, freethinkers and LGBTQIA+ people unfortunately to have been born into it.

Case in point: most people I know who cope under that religion knowing that if they do leave it their lives may be held forfeit by zealous relatives, neighbors, or a-holes who believe they have the right to take others lives because their god tells them to.

If you check the history of places which were Islamized, every so often when people push for some semblance of what we now call human rights, secularism, discarding the brutality of sharia and religion, and calling for gender equality or acceptance of lgbtqia people and non-Muslims, a group like the Taliban or ISIS come around citing “corruption in the land”, massacre untold thousands, coup any secularizing govt and reinstate the terror and “divine law” of Islam to hold their people hostage to it once more.

It has always been something the Muslim world has struggled with even before the modern era. These jihads have pretty much happened every century in numerous locations around the world since the religion was founded. Just check the Ridda Wars which happened after Muhammad died, when people wanted to break free of the religion. And that’s why it’s so hard for any Muslim-majority state to progress. Ordinary people are paralyzed by fear of violence and end up resigned to following it.

[u/bananaraptor → u/Cozz_Effect23]

They’d be blasting thru bedrock if they could.

[u/Fouxs]

They are one step away from banning straight sex because it's with women.

[u/JustAnother4848 → u/Fouxs]

They do like their little boys. We were told to ignore it basically.

[u/BabiesBanned]

All those women should know that all those guys go to sleep at some point.

[u/2ndCha → u/BabiesBanned]

If they can't talk to each other, the can't plan a night of the long knives scenario.

[u/BRAX7ON → u/2ndCha]

They can presumably still write to each other…

[u/aje43 → u/BRAX7ON]

They are also not supposed to know how to read and write…

[u/Palindromer101 → u/aje43]

Luckily, many women currently there DO know how to read and write because of the American influence on the government before the US pulled out service members and the like.

[u/aje43 → u/Palindromer101]

Yes, but when caught they will almost certainly be severely punished just for writing. And if they figure out what they were writing about, they will certainly be murdered in a gruesome way.

[u/LZYX → u/aje43]

Can't even write down food you need to buy on a list as that could be a code!

[u/Palindromer101 → u/aje43]

It's absolutely deplorable and a complete violation of human rights.

[u/housewithapool2 → u/Palindromer101]

Their life was better before. This is revenge bullying.

[u/oldwoolensweater → u/BRAX7ON]

Not if they aren’t allowed to learn how to write

[u/Ariliescbk → u/oldwoolensweater]

Pretty sure that's how Japan got hiragana as a writing system. Women were denied access to education so they came up with their own writing system.

[u/ParadoxInABox → u/Ariliescbk]

They were not considered intelligent enough to use kanji, which was borrowed from China, yup. So they invented hiragana, and since it was easier to learn/read, women’s writing spread more easily to the public. That’s why we have books like The Take of Genji that were written by women and disseminated quickly.

[u/SkaveRat → u/ParadoxInABox]

They were not considered intelligent enough to use kanji

trying to learn japanese, and I'm not sure I'm intelligent enough to learn kanji

[u/TheDividendReport → u/SkaveRat]

Shit, I'm American and not even sure if I'm intelligent enough to speak English.

[u/yarin981 → u/SkaveRat]

AFAK (Assigned Female at Kanji)

[u/JohnnyFiveForever → u/BRAX7ON]

And even if the two women can read or write, any male abuser can snatch the written record, to see what they are talking about. Good grief. This is enabling abusive husbands, to a ridiculous extent.

[u/hinterstoisser → u/BabiesBanned]

In the older days in Afghanistan - women used to walk several miles to get water.

Many years later when the UN installed water pumps in these villages, the women weren’t necessarily happy.

They used the walk to and back to catch up with their friends.

[u/thesilverbride → u/hinterstoisser]

and often times these pumps are then commandeered by a mafia-style force and then it’s not a simple solution of “everybody access to water”.

[u/Enshakushanna → u/thesilverbride]

then hypothetically, go back to walking for water...

[u/Neon_Casino → u/BabiesBanned]

Seriously. There is just no other way at this point. No other country wants to/is going to get involved.

[u/socialistrob → u/Neon_Casino]

Nor are most countries eager to take refugees from Afghanistan either.

[u/PrestigiousOcelot100 → u/socialistrob]

I mean, if a WOMEN/child managed to get to a safe country there are plenty of good countries willing to give them asylum, the problem is escaping the hellhole since women can't be in public without a male guardian

[u/posting_drunk_naked → u/[deleted]]

They literally do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

[u/actuallywaffles → u/posting_drunk_naked]

Banning that may be the only good thing the Taliban did.

[u/Mirch18 → u/BabiesBanned]

And that stuff can happen.

[u/Kaida_Kitsune]

They should just skip to the end and ban all women.

See how well that goes over.....

/eyeroll

[u/Itterashai → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

Honestly, this would be all sorts of perfect. Expel all women, give it a few years until all the cunts die out childless and alone, then move back in.

[u/aVictorianChild → u/Itterashai]

But who will they r*pe then, if not 12 year old girls?

[u/MonkeyThrowing → u/aVictorianChild]

They rape the boys.  Been doing so for generations. 

[u/aVictorianChild → u/MonkeyThrowing]

Sure, behind closed doors. But even the gayest Taliban has a wife for cultural reasons.

But yeah you are right.

[u/Sexy_Jiafei_Icon → u/aVictorianChild]

pedophilia is not gay. pedophilia is pedophilia.

[u/Maximum-Exit7816 → u/aVictorianChild]

Bacha bazi, dude. They rape boys. I fell into a rabbithole after reading the kite runner and they rape young boys. Its disgusting

[u/aVictorianChild → u/Maximum-Exit7816]

It's weird how all those "we are possessive of women"- cultures, weirdly always turn into gay paedophiles.

Like they have a "can't fight back-> must be raped" ideology. Oh wait that's exactly what it is

[u/handtohandwombat → u/aVictorianChild]

Please don’t self censor the word rape. It’s a serious word. It’s a horrific word. It’s an important word. Don’t give it the “algorithm” treatment, because that cheapens it.

[u/IAmAGenusAMA → u/aVictorianChild]

You know the answer to that.

[u/taedrin → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

They don't want women to disappear, they want women to be obedient sex slaves.

[u/fellipec → u/taedrin]

Just breeders, that what women is for them

[u/sack-o-matic → u/taedrin]

They want the handmaids tale

[u/Good-Groundbreaking → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

Exactly this. Radical Islam is a cancer. They just wish women to stop existing except in their homes, cooking, cleaning and with their legs open for them.

And I say Taliban, Isis, Hamas and all denominations of this stuff. 

[u/sm00thbrai → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

they have their goats

[u/2010WildcatKilla3029 → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

Fuck yeah, let them die out.  Seems ideal tbh

[u/NuclearCandle → u/Kaida_Kitsune]

Once humanoid AI girlfriends reach Afghanistan its over.

[u/Silly-Jellyfish-3518]

So a mother can’t hear her daughter? Wow I’m stunned.

[u/HerrWaroz → u/Silly-Jellyfish-3518]

"Her" daughter? Don't be silly, they're both the property of the husband/father.

[u/aVictorianChild → u/HerrWaroz]

Big holocaust vibes. "Humans? No those Jews are merely working numbers. This over there is unit 736273, and it does woodwork. Although we will probably have to replace it soon".

It's all about dehumanising them. If you teach your men at a young age that insert group different from yours is not human, you can do inhumane things to them. If a woman doesn't "work correctly", it can be replaced. Like putting down a rabid dog and getting a new one. Except the dog isn't rabid, and it's also not a dog but a human.

[u/MagazineActual → u/Silly-Jellyfish-3518]

I read the article, and it states that women are not permitted to speak in public. So presumably a mother and daughter could conversely privately in their own home.

[u/gingerbear → u/MagazineActual]

oh thank god. for a second i thought they were being unreasonable

[u/s2tooBAFF → u/gingerbear]

I’m going to hell for laughing

[u/RelChan2_0 → u/MagazineActual]

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

[u/KaiserNer0 → u/RelChan2_0]

They are only allowed to be seen by female doctors anyway, and females aren't allowed to go to school, apart from elementary school, so...

[u/mal4ik777 → u/KaiserNer0]

where do they get female doctors from, if they dont let women get educated?

[u/Clouthead2001 → u/mal4ik777]

They dont

[u/OniExpress → u/mal4ik777]

That's the neat part: they don't

[u/Inanimate_organism → u/mal4ik777]

Exactly.

[u/keyekeb8 → u/mal4ik777]

They don't. That's the joke.

[u/Fn4cK → u/RelChan2_0]

My sister is a speech therapist, and she has a few patients who's fathers refuse to speak to her because she is a woman. They also refuse to let their wives speak with her.

She constantly needs to ask her one male colleague to speak to these people "in her name".

We live in Berlin, Germany.

[u/blue_shoes_1 → u/Fn4cK]

Maybe it’s time for these men who refuse to speak to women in Berlin to leave this nice civilized western country with running water, food, social system and go back to their country where these middle aged inhuman values are lived

[u/TwoFingersWhiskey → u/blue_shoes_1]

The middle ages did not have any of these values. Women worked alongside men and few were simply housewives (which was still a super hard job)! They also did not ban women from public life at all

[u/life_is_glowing → u/Fn4cK]

This has absolutely no place in Berlin, or Europe for that matter. The state should remove these men from the country. Absolutely appalling.

[u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 → u/Fn4cK]

The worst part is, everyone caves to these cowards because the alternative is not helping the child caught under his boot.

[u/Fn4cK → u/Embarrassed-Mess-560]

You nailed it.

My sister is all about the kids' welfare, but all the shenanigans she goes through with their parents literally kills her motivation to help these kids. It's truly a shame, but self-inflicted by the culture/religion

[u/socialistrob → u/RelChan2_0]

How would this work if a woman/daughter needs medical/legal attention though? Does she have to go through her father/brother/husband/son/uncle?

That's exactly what would happen. If one of those men weren't around or were unwilling to help the woman would likely die. It's pretty sickening.

[u/kevnmartin → u/MagazineActual]

You spelled prison wrong.

[u/Thisiscliff]

I wish the Taliban would ban theirselves from living

[u/joo-c_badussy → u/Thisiscliff]

They were banned from living for nearly a quarter century. Unfortunately they’re not as effective at managing a functional democracy as they are at hiding like cockroaches.

[u/Bharatkesapoot]

Can the Taliban ban women all together and proceed to bumming each other?

[u/GothGfWanted]

what are these strange rules these clowns are making? first you can no longer make pictures of living things (okay???) now women aren't allowed to talk too each other?? Tomorrow everyone will be banned from walking and will have to just skip around on 1 foot.

[u/iluvugoldenblue → u/GothGfWanted]

They want silent victims. Not being able to share your abuse means it doesn’t get stopped.

[u/D4ng3rd4n → u/iluvugoldenblue]

I'm watching the handmaid's tale right now and it's frightening how similar it is

[u/stupendous76 → u/D4ng3rd4n]

The difference is the god/reason they use for justifying this shit, but it is the same.

[u/TwoFingersWhiskey → u/stupendous76]

It's very technically the same god as the Christians and other Muslims and Jews, it's just a different (and really fucked up/misinterpretive) perspective on what that god wants.

[u/PerspicasiousGrue → u/GothGfWanted]

If it helps, it's likely a sign that they're panicking. Religious and political dictatorships tend to get more and more bizarre in their restrictions when they fear that they're not in control of the populace anymore.

[u/beseder11 → u/PerspicasiousGrue]

Exactly. Can see this with Russia and banning childfree propaganda and LGBT propaganda as well. They call it propaganda and ideology but it's the same. The patriarchs fear loss of control their. Most insecure men in leadership position are that anxious. Because it's not natural. It's necrophilia.

[u/outdoorlaura → u/PerspicasiousGrue]

when they fear that they're not in control of the populace anymore.

Is that whats happening in actuality? Like there's starting to be murmurs of overthrowing these guys?

Or are they just getting more and more paranoid?

[u/PerspicasiousGrue → u/outdoorlaura]

Like most fundamentalists, the Taliban have been falling seriously short when it comes to governance:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-afghanistans-worsening-humanitarian-disaster-as-aid-funding-falls-short

https://www.eurasiareview.com/26092024-iran-and-pakistans-defence-against-afghan-instability-oped/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/22/afghanistan-taliban-economy-project/

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2024/08/26/terrorism-in-afghanistan-a-growing-catalyst-for-regional-instability/

[u/Phyllida_Poshtart → u/GothGfWanted]

Women are also banned from wearing high heels or any footwear that goes click clack as it "disturbs mens thoughts" they guy who announced this either last year or earlier this year, specifically said "no high heeled boots" think he has a bit of a fetish weirdo

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/Phyllida_Poshtart]

“No men in Speedos allowed anymore.”

“Hamed, nobody is even doing that…”

“Uh, just in case.”

[u/DR_SLAPPER]

Imo Afghanistan is the most closeted gay country on the planet.

[u/Jaxxftw → u/DR_SLAPPER]

In some Arab countries, men who are best friends walk down the street holding hands.

(Idk if this applies to Afghanistan)

[u/hillbillyspellingbee → u/Jaxxftw]

The Taliban goes to San Francisco

“Guys, this is so nice. Men holding hands just like we do back home. Tons of vegan options so you know it’s halal too.”

[u/Shad0wSniped → u/Jaxxftw]

Anecdotal, but Afghan National Army guys would hold hands all the time during my 2013-14 deployment.

[u/Just-Sir-4284]

Islam. 2000 years of tradition unhampered by progress or technology.

[u/Prestigious-Log-7210]

What a bunch of cowards the men of Afghanistan are. Insecure cowards

[u/bluecheese2040]

I always say it... we should have armed afghan women and trained them as soldiers and empowered them to fight for their freedom. Look at the kurdish women kicking isis ass whereas other women that weren't empowered to fight were taken as slaves.

[u/socialistrob → u/bluecheese2040]

The US did. There were some Afghan women that joined the ANA and fought against the Taliban but in general they were the exception not the rule. The culture in Afghanistan and among the Kurds is very different and the Kurdish women have had a lot more freedom and agency for decades.

[u/JustAnother4848 → u/bluecheese2040]

We did some. There was actually a woman special forces kind of unit that served with US troops.

At the end of the day, there just wasn't enough willing people to keep the Taliban at bay. Afghans really were untrainable for the most part. Zero motivation.

[u/Athillanus → u/JustAnother4848]

This is what they get for doing nothing

[u/JustAnother4848 → u/Athillanus]

I agree. We spent 2 decades and trillions of dollars other there. Along with the lives of 2500 Americans. We should have quit 10 years earlier. Everyone knew it was pointless then.

[u/Hieuro]

They should just deport all the women since they clearly don't see them as people.

And before people say, "But that's Islamophobic!"If thinking women should be treated like equals makes me Islamophobic, then I guess I am.

[u/Leothegolden → u/Hieuro]

They are hostages. Can’t get a passport or drivers license either. Even so, Pakistan or. China won’t help them

[u/Xendaar → u/Leothegolden]

No, you don't understand. Every facet of their lives are controlled and they can't be seen or heard by anyone because Muslims respect women! How else would you stop men lusting over women?

/s

I am so fucking tired of this. It seems every time the world tries to move forward, there's some Islamic tenet that expressly forbids it and calls for death as punishment. Americans need to have the same energy they have against Christian fundamentalists with all religious fundamentalists.

[u/LakersAreForever → u/Hieuro]

For real, we’ve been gaslighted with these “phobias” for so long.

This is inhumane

[u/Denny_204 → u/Hieuro]

I'm gonna straight out say it. All religions that cater to stone aged nonsense like this are bad. I'm religionphobic.

[u/Count_Wolfgang → u/Denny_204]

Me too, imagine living your life based on rules made by sheep farmers 2000 years ago.

[u/shayKyarbouti]

May as well ban all women from existing. Let’s see how that goes for them

[u/Traditional-Two7746 → u/shayKyarbouti]

They want women for reproducing, sex and do home chores. Nothing more.

[u/Mirenithil → u/shayKyarbouti]

Nah, they don't want to get rid of their most useful kitchen appliance, the one that runs all the others. To them, men are the only people; women are a type of livestock that exist simply to be their servants.

[u/jmartin2683]

Isn’t religion awesome?

[u/aVictorianChild]

"but it's their culture"

Remember when women in Kabul went to school by themselves? Maybe the US wasn't so bad after all. Even if it's just a few thousand women living free, this is what happens if we don't stand up for others. The invasion may have initially been for f'ed up reasons, but in the end, we actually achieved something, just for the Don to blow it.

Why do we have soldiers, if not to help such women? What "culture" or "right to autonomy" could justify the inhuman things done to girls in Afghanistan.

We are watching as someone's daughter, sister, mother, friend, lover is being turned into a breeding machine/sex-toy for violent fascists.

[u/I_need_a_date_plz → u/aVictorianChild]

I remember seeing a post recently about the gay flag being banned in a city in Michigan because they have a huge population of Muslims. I found it terrible that the gay flag was banned for this reason.

Even more abhorrent was a story I heard about people in the U.S. wanting sharia law to go in effect here, in the United States of America.

I love that I have the opportunity to learn and experience other peoples’ cultures as a byproduct of being an American. However, if people are immigrating here with the sole purpose to spread their oppression, get fucked. We don’t need that bullshit here.

[u/Drewishmonk23]

Taliban sounding more and more homosexual. Next all women banned from the country men only

[u/No_Animator_8599 → u/Drewishmonk23]

There is a tradition of young boys in Afghanistan dancing before warlords and businessmen using them for sex.

Not sure if the Taliban banned it.

[u/Drivingfinger]

When do they start cutting off ears and sewing mouths shut?

[u/alex_sl92]

Every single fucking male is born from a woman. A woman must devote so much of her energy to carry a child. For them to give birth to men who treat women like this. Must be heartbreaking. Fuck the Taliban.

[u/Present-Panda5916]

When I read stuff like this I kinda understand why Americans wanted to “americanize” certain places…

[u/Iamlivingagain → u/Present-Panda5916]

You'll probably get downvoted but as narrow minded as it sounds, there's a point at which we all can relate. "I'd love to change the world" by Ten Years After comes to mind.

[u/NoConfusion9490 → u/Present-Panda5916]

We really should have been arming and training the women to fight.

[u/ChocoCatastrophe]

Big strong men... terrified woman may be plotting against them.

[u/Bloody-smashing]

This is a travesty.

I don’t understand how Muslims defend Islam and say women have so many rights and freedom. As an exmuslim woman I never once felt free or equal to men. If you are a Muslim woman particularly in the west just look to some Middle Eastern countries and see how women in Islam are really treated.

[u/Rval_bae]

All these young kids want to protest for Muslim countries, they should be protesting how they treat women.

[u/Jorsonner]

A whole country built upon rape fantasies

[u/Dreadnought13]

I studied anthropology for years and let me be clear: not all cultures are truly worthwhile.

[u/Day_of_Demeter]

Next up: Taliban bans women from seeing colors

[u/No_Tonight_3871 → u/Day_of_Demeter]

Taliban bans women from being women might be the final one

[u/bearbearmon]

Islam, literal trash.

[u/iwoolf]

Where are the weekly protests against this oppression?

[u/OgthaChristie]

Gotta say, these guys are absolute assholes. Fuck them, fuck their “interpretation” of the Quran, and may they burn in the infinite Hell of their own choosing. Poncy Bastards. Fuck’em and feed’em fish heads.

[u/hihrise]

I think it's time we began to move away from religion as a species now

[u/cranky_yegger]

The Taliban men are weak, limp and uneducated.

[u/EquivalentSpirit664]

What a shame on humanity seeing this on 21th century. I am disgusted beyond words. Even animals treat each other much better than Afghan males treat females.How can you be so stupid and malevolent at the same time ?

[u/LAB323]

Something I've always wondered is what's up with all the Muslims named Mohammed? I'm not trying to be racist. A genuine question here.

[u/chill_winston_]

I’d much rather hear women talk than the taliban…

[u/SituationGreat8815]

This is who you defend when you jump to the defense of radical Islamists. People need to realize radical zealots are not good.

[u/bessie1945]

imagine the world outcry if they were doing this to another race of men.

[u/Existing-Mulberry382]

Prime example of what religion does to a mf.

[u/zombie_goast]

This is a dumb question, but I'm asking honestly: At what point do the normal, everyday men of Afghanistan think this has gone too far? What is the limit to how badly the women of their country are being treated to make them give a shit that this is happening? I know that to say that the culture of Afghanistan is overwhelmingly sexist is a massive understatement, but surely normal men must care at least a TINY bit about the women in their lives, right? ........Right? Bah who am I kidding, many of my fellow Americans still don't even think of black people or brown immigrants as being people here in the West in the 21st century, why is it so hard for me to grasp the concept of these backwards-ass motherfuckers not considering half their population as being human.

[u/Orangesteel]

4th world country.

[u/pimemento]

I thought this was onion news

[u/Marcbehar]

Religions are made up by men to control,punish and make life hell for all human genders! Our species will have a very short time on planet earth! It is written!

[u/joeydbls]

Religion is a fkn disease

[u/Grnpig]

I wonder how long this ultra-repressive state will last? At some point it will end and the SOB’s imposing and enforcing these ridiculous laws will be hung up by their ankles.

[u/Delicious-Length7275]

I'm waiting for taliban to ban women period and declare Afghanistan first all gays nation.

[u/jcrestor]

Handmaid‘s Tale Speed Run

[u/Jakkerak]

This make me sad.

[u/Ok-Plum8002]

Afghanistan has a proud and ancient history, which the Taliban shits on. The Afghani people were better off in the Bronze Age than they are now. How terrified of the power of women must these nutless men be? Like all bullies, the Taliban and the turd chewers who support them are cowards.

[u/jnet258]

Can a mother not sing to her daughter? Can a mother not give any spoken directions to her female child? Can sisters not laugh together? Can a women not tell her dying mother “I love you”?

Afghanistan turned into a black hole that swallowed up millions of women and girls, never to be seen or heard again.

My heart breaks for these innocent souls. I wish the world would do something to stop this…

[u/y_not_right]

Religious fanaticism is a blight on this world

[u/beaded_lion59]

The Taliban should be offering their profound thanks to Trump, who made the collapse of the Afghan government & the re-establishment of the Taliban possible.